Throw him in against Arsenal? Might as well, what else has he, or we got to lose? We're expected to lose anyway, and if Burn wants to make the step up, then what an opportunity. Even if we came away with a respectable 1-0 or 2-1 lost to the league leaders, it would be a massive defensive improvement. Yes we run the risk of destroying the boys confidence if we get smashed 5-0, but, at least you'd know he wasn't ready, and send him back to Brum.
Play him - Hangers, Stek and Burn .... we need more height ...and some young legs
Have to keep him with Hangers
Send him back, Arsenal are a different class to Norwich reserves x 2
As far as I'm concerned, we should be playing the same team as tonight, with the exception of Parker for Karagounis.
Schwarzer doing some pitch side half time analysis for BT Sport commented just now that we look a much more solid outfit with Stek in goal and Hangeland and Burn in defence.
Agree with Khan ... Parker is the only one I would bring in from Saturday. The big call is going to be Berbs, who I think is done. Too many stupid flicks, too much drama and now no goals !
Quote from: elgreenio on January 14, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
Send him back, Arsenal are a different class to Norwich reserves x 2
They are, but are Hughes, Senderos and Amorebieta a different class to Burn? Based on recent performances, no!
Honestly he doesn't too comfortable when in possesion, but he looks very assured in other parts of his game. As you say it's time to test him out in the league, but I wouldn't send him back out on loan no matter what now. He looks like he's at least ready to play a bit part in our squad.
Not into this demoralising rubbish 'cos we conceded 5. Arsenal got tonked by how many at OldTrafford not that long ago and I bet there were a few youngsters in their team ?! As a player you have got to experience the highs and the lows to develop. Why not let Burn do that with us ?
Even if we were middle of the league, ManCity or Arsenal could still put a few past us as they could any team outside the top 6.
All Rene needs to ask is "Is Burn good enough ?"
Only other thing I'd add is that when you look at him play he's not the sort of centre back that's suited to playing against Arsenal. Maybe don't chuck him in for his premier league debut against them, but keep him as part of our squad now.
We should keep Dan Burn and let him get time in the Premiership and he will be good cover although I would play him in preference to Amorebieta. Aaron Hughes also still has a lot to offer.
Keep him! The twin towers of Fullham's defense!!!
You'd think Rene and the coaching staff must be thinking about playing him at the Arse , or at least not sending him back.
Inferior opposition perhaps, but we looked so much more solid at the back with him and Brede, and Stek in goal. Even Richardson looked good at full back!
With our other options currently only being Senderos, Amorebieta and Hughes I'd definitely have no problem with him staying/starting here.
He looks incredible.
Clean sheet for 1st time in ages he is hungry and dejagah has to play every game surely ????
Prepared to shout at his peers and keep them organised, god we need a left back but burn hangers and reither looked good. What a good triangle of reither, Kasami and askan
:plus one:
Can't agree more. Every time the camera showed him he was barking orders/reminding everyone to do their jobs. Top CB
Surprisingly mobile, very situationally aware. He and Hangeland worked very well together.
Not just his peers, his elders! Top performance.
Quote from: Parkway Drive on January 14, 2014, 09:49:05 PM
With our other options currently only being Senderos, Amorebieta and Hughes I'd definitely have no problem with him staying/starting here.
:plus one:
I liked the fact that there was no messing around, just simple CB stuff. You could see what impact his loan spells in the lower leagues have had on him.
It was also nice to see him do a lap of honour after his home debut.
Well done.
I noticed the same thing. That takes A LOT of guts to point to your captain and tell him what to do.
I really believe that he is The Next Big Thing
I was at the game tonight and I'm glad I'm not the only one that spotted that. Showed real maturity and confidence.
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on January 14, 2014, 10:40:06 PM
I noticed the same thing. That takes A LOT of guts to point to your captain and tell him what to do.
I really believe that he is The Next Big Thing
If we let him go, to any other club, we lose a great CD who seems to know excactly what he is doing out there! Great leadership! :)
Re Left Back: We could keep Burn, play him and hangeland in the middle with Amorebieta at left back.
Even if Burn is not selected for the Arsenal game I would keep him for the Sheffield fixture as Birmingham are through as well he can't play for them on 25th so he might as well stay & play for us & then we could still send him back out on loan before 31st. If we choose to
Quote from: Furby on January 14, 2014, 10:41:22 PM
I was at the game tonight and I'm glad I'm not the only one that spotted that. Showed real maturity and confidence.
:plus one: narrowly shaded from MoM by Sidwell.
He was simply fantastic today. It's easy to forget he's only 21.
As you say, for his home debut to be communicating that well and confidently with his team mates was a joy to see. He was good on the ball, though one or two too many long balls but that can be drilled out of him, see Brede Hangeland.
I don't want to tempt fate but I think we've got a potential International on our hands... But let's keep our feet on the ground, I believe some people said the same about Briggsy. Full of potential and very good game, but let's see what happens.
Quote from: epsomraver on January 14, 2014, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: Furby on January 14, 2014, 10:41:22 PM
I was at the game tonight and I'm glad I'm not the only one that spotted that. Showed real maturity and confidence.
:plus one: narrowly shaded from MoM by Sidwell.
Those two were brilliant, Dejagah too!
Dejagah is a quality player
Very impressed with Burn
Some posters say that there would be too much pressure on Burn to play in a relegation battle, well tonight proved to me that the lad is morethan capable to do the job and is very well set up to sit in that CB spot now, i made the point that he has been playing at Birmingham who have massive pressure on them to avoid relegation themselves, looking at him i really don't think the pressure would get to him, very confident lad.
Two seasons in the lower leagues has done him some good. We should try and give more of our players that sort of experience.
It was good to see Hangeland back but he really needs to get his passing sorted out.
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2014, 11:10:08 PM
It was good to see Hangeland back but he really needs to get his passing sorted out.
Give him a chance, first game back and you are moaning? he had some wayward passes in the first half but soon settled down, he forgot we don't have a striker who can read the game and run on to a pass.
I think he should start Saturday next to Hangeland although if he returns to Birmingham I trust Rene
He's got to stay, end of!
Quote from: bigalffc on January 14, 2014, 10:34:46 PM
Quote from: Parkway Drive on January 14, 2014, 09:49:05 PM
With our other options currently only being Senderos, Amorebieta and Hughes I'd definitely have no problem with him staying/starting here.
:plus one:
Couldn't agree more!
Quote from: FFC73 on January 14, 2014, 10:51:12 PM
Even if Burn is not selected for the Arsenal game I would keep him for the Sheffield fixture as Birmingham are through as well he can't play for them on 25th so he might as well stay & play for us & then we could still send him back out on loan before 31st. If we choose to
Smart option
What else could he do to warrant starting?
Keep him and play him, its as simple as that
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Having just seen the game, I'm ready to change my mind about sending him back. My feelings before were that it would be too much pressure for the young lad to save our season, but he is ice cool. Looks like a younger and left footed Hangeland. He was truly outstanding tonight, I don't think I'm exaggerating by saying that was the best performance by a Fulham defender this season.
So, I would be tempted to start him against Arsenal and see how he copes with the pressure. If it goes badly Rene should just try and reassure him, but after a performance like that we can't really let him go out on loan again.
I'd add that Brede and Dan looked like a good pairing, they seemed to compliment each other. I loved how Burn made some runs forward like Hangeland does and he's very quick for his size.
Burn will play for England. Not sure if it will be for us though. One of the "big" clubs will surely steal him away. He should stay alongside Hangers & be given a huge long contract with decent money.
Quote from: grandad on January 15, 2014, 06:13:49 AM
Burn will play for England. Not sure if it will be for us though. One of the "big" clubs will surely steal him away. He should stay alongside Hangers & be given a huge long contract with decent money.
Good point he can't have more than 18 months left on his contract, need to sign him up now before his agent starts filling his head with promises of pots of Gold if he hold outs and let his contract run down.
not writing him off at all but there are some massively optimistic and over-enthusiastic people on here. He's had a pretty average season at Birmingham by all accounts and should go back there after the 4th Round
Quote from: elgreenio on January 15, 2014, 07:35:32 AM
not writing him off at all but there are some massively optimistic and over-enthusiastic people on here. He's had a pretty average season at Birmingham by all accounts and should go back there after the 4th Round
For once we will disagree. The 4 CB's we have (including Brede) have been below average. His time on loan is done, he was vocal last night, no nonsense at times. He's not perfect and may well struggle against better players, but who out of current backs doesn't?
Let him get the experience for the rest of the season here, he doesn't have to play every game so no need to have him in the firing line every week.
10 games between now and end of the season will set him up for next season, whatever division we are in.
I believe we have to keep him here and play him, the two Norwich games show he has been good. Yes there are stronger teams to play against but for me we have to play him, We need something in the back 4 to rejuvenate them
Play him at Arsenal imo.
We should play the team we put out against Citeh, but Hang & Burn in defence. a 4-5-1.
Stek
Reither. Burn. Hangeland. Risse.
Dejaga. Sidwell. Parker. Karagounis, Richardson.
Tarrabt.
Either and dejaga on our right flank. Rise & Richardson left.
Tarrabt up front can be fed the ball on the deck at every opportunity to terrorise Arsenal's slowish defence. They would have to keep at least two back to cover him which would help us all round.
If he were to sneak a goal all the better.
COYW!
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Quote from: epsomraver on January 14, 2014, 11:17:04 PM
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2014, 11:10:08 PM
It was good to see Hangeland back but he really needs to get his passing sorted out.
Give him a chance, first game back and you are moaning? he had some wayward passes in the first half but soon settled down, he forgot we don't have a striker who can read the game and run on to a pass.
Look Mr Epsom why are you accusing me of moaning? i am not moaning just stating an opinion, i do not wish to be rude in any way but sometimes your comments are unjustified, if you remember this has always been a bit of a failing in him, virtually every game he seems to see a pass that no one on the planet sees, he is the best defender we have and i welcome him back with great anticipation.
Seems Rene is deciding whether to allow Burnsy to go back to Brum now. He says it's definitely something we need to review.
Currently, I'd have our starting CB pair as; Brede (RCB), Amore (LCB). And challenging for starting places, but currently backup, being; Senders (RCB), Burn (LCB) - please can we not get into a Senderos debate, again....
Hughes will be acting as experienced cover.
Ultimately, should we stay up, I think Hughes/Senders will be gone by summer (or Hughes take up a position on the club's staff - should he be ready to hang up his boots..), and Burn could offer us something, long term.
Please, please, please, let him stay! At least give him a place on the bench..
He has to stay here.... he was brilliant again yesterday, and is currently the best CB we have at the club haha
Why not keep him for a month or two and if performances dip, send him back out? The transfer window closes on the 31st but does the loan window for championship teams not stay open, emergency loan like?
Im happy with him starting against Arsenal, whats he got to lose? as for "beng thrown into a relegation dogfight", hes been in a very poor Birmingham side, who are outperforming themselves due to Lee CLarks management and acquisitons in the loan market, that side get battered every week on the pitch but managed to go unbeaten for a long time too
I was expecting more from him to be honest, He looked gangly and not comfortable enough with the ball at his feet. I'd love to be proven wrong, but to loan him back at Brum would be the best option to let him mature right now.
Quote from: elgreenio on January 15, 2014, 07:35:32 AM
not writing him off at all but there are some massively optimistic and over-enthusiastic people on here. He's had a pretty average season at Birmingham by all accounts and should go back there after the 4th Round
Using that logic, didn't Kaca have a fairly torrid time on the bench for Burnley for the first half of last season, then come back and prove himself more than capable in the prem? He was less successful than Burn in the Championship but made a big impact for us..
I'd usually defer to your reading of the game instantly, and certainly don't want to disagree with your more informed judgement, but do you really think Burn has nothing to offer right now? Because, if so, we need the help more than ever!
Anything to prevent seeing Senderos on the pitch again! :clap_hands:
Its hard to judge of one game, but even though it was a cup game vs Norwich it was still a young defender playing against premier league opposition which is never easy - Burn did immensely well. He was vocal, positioning was great, looked nervous on a few Norwich attacks but that will fade in time. What impressed me most was how he retained the ball - Almost all of our defenders bar Hangeland & maybe Richardson give the ball away on a constant basis, is really too much to ask for a bit of composure at the back?
If Burn is part of our long term future, then the sooner we can start integrating him in to the first team the better as we can't really be any much worse from a defence perspective as we have been so far this season. The lad shows a lot of promise, and unlike much of the team has youth on his side and should only get better.
Hangeland & Burn were a breath of fresh air. Everyone played with more confidence without having to look at what chaos Riise,Senderos & Amorebieta were causing. Stek looked a lot calmer with H&B in front of him.It´s like 2 new signings. They are the best combination of CD´s we have. Play them.
He looked decent but he's not the messiah people have made him out to be. Looks like he lacks composure and passing ability at the moment and he kept giving the ball away with long range punts.
He also played against a very poor Norwich side. I'd send him back where he can play week in week out and start Hangeland (in his favoured LCB position) and Senderos as my first choice pairing since they looked good at the start of the season, where we conceded considerably fewer goals. Get rid of Riise and Amorebieta can provide LB and CB cover from the bench, Hughes CB and RB (in an emergency).
Norwich were not world beaters last night. Let Burn go back to Brum for the rest of the season and keep up his development.
Quote from: MJG on January 15, 2014, 08:04:06 AM
Quote from: elgreenio on January 15, 2014, 07:35:32 AM
not writing him off at all but there are some massively optimistic and over-enthusiastic people on here. He's had a pretty average season at Birmingham by all accounts and should go back there after the 4th Round
For once we will disagree. The 4 CB's we have (including Brede) have been below average. His time on loan is done, he was vocal last night, no nonsense at times. He's not perfect and may well struggle against better players, but who out of current backs doesn't?
Let him get the experience for the rest of the season here, he doesn't have to play every game so no need to have him in the firing line every week.
10 games between now and end of the season will set him up for next season, whatever division we are in.
Completely agree more with you, at hes age, and hes skills, this is the time for him to get first team experience, doesnt have to be every match, but for a player hes age to develop at hes best, to get to know PL, and to get to get experience with star opponents, this is the time for him to play on Fulham, get him on regurarely now and I think he will be a key player later!
Rene Considering keeping Burn article: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fulham-considering-keeping-burn-29919389.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fulham-considering-keeping-burn-29919389.html)
If we do indeed keep him, and hangeland is fully fit. The defense should be:
Amorebieta Burn Hangeland Riether
Quote from: Zu-Meister on January 15, 2014, 02:45:33 PM
Rene Considering keeping Burn article: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fulham-considering-keeping-burn-29919389.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fulham-considering-keeping-burn-29919389.html)
If we do indeed keep him, and hangeland is fully fit. The defense should be:
Amorebieta Burn Hangeland Riether
Agree that Amore at LB is a useful option, but only against strong teams - where his long-delivery and defensive resilience would be more useful than R/Rs' attacking movement, particularly as a starting point for a counter.
However, Richardson and Riise have looked much improved lately, and Richardson was immense last night. There was one point where he made 3 big tackles in a row, and showed great energy and commitment. I hope he stays fit for a while..
The left is definitely a weak area, with none of the combinations of Kaca/Richardson/Riise/Amore/Briggs offering a complete attacking or defensive force.. I hope we see improvements there in the coming weeks.
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 15, 2014, 03:03:04 PM
Quote from: Zu-Meister on January 15, 2014, 02:45:33 PM
Rene Considering keeping Burn article: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fulham-considering-keeping-burn-29919389.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fulham-considering-keeping-burn-29919389.html)
If we do indeed keep him, and hangeland is fully fit. The defense should be:
Amorebieta Burn Hangeland Riether
Agree that Amore at LB is a useful option, but only against strong teams - where his long-delivery and defensive resilience would be more useful than R/Rs' attacking movement, particularly as a starting point for a counter.
However, Richardson and Riise have looked much improved lately, and Richardson was immense last night. There was one point where he made 3 big tackles in a row, and showed great energy and commitment. I hope he stays fit for a while..
The left is definitely a weak area, with none of the combinations of Kaca/Richardson/Riise/Amore/Briggs offering a complete attacking or defensive force.. I hope we see improvements there in the coming weeks.
whenever ive seen amorebieta play at left back, he actually provides great attacking energy with the best delivery out of the three left backs in our team.
I remember reading the other day that Burn is currently the second highest rated player in terms of performances this season in the championship so not too sure how people on here are claiming that he is 'average'. Watching the game yesterday, for the first time these last couple years, I had confidence in our defence. Burn had an actual presence on the field that I am yet to see from Amore and especially Senderos, he was shouting at every player given them directions, telling them to squeeze in, getting the defence to push up. When was the last time you saw Senderos take some leadership and direct the team? This guy is 21 years old, never played at the highest level and is still ticking all those boxes. Senderos has won trophies, played Champions league football, played in World Cups and still looks clueless on the pitch. Amorebieta has also had ample experience. Burn needs to stay.
Quote from: Baider on January 15, 2014, 03:09:04 PM
I remember reading the other day that Burn is currently the second highest rated player in terms of performances this season in the championship so not too sure how people on here are claiming that he is 'average'. Watching the game yesterday, for the first time these last couple years, I had confidence in our defence. Burn had an actual presence on the field that I am yet to see from Amore and especially Senderos, he was shouting at every player given them directions, telling them to squeeze in, getting the defence to push up. When was the last time you saw Senderos take some leadership and direct the team? This guy is 21 years old, never played at the highest level and is still ticking all those boxes. Senderos has won trophies, played Champions league football, played in World Cups and still looks clueless on the pitch. Amorebieta has also had ample experience. Burn needs to stay.
Totally agree!!
Fulham boss Rene Meulensteen will review the future of defender Dan Burn after he made his senior home debut at Craven Cottage on Tuesday.
The Dutchman was impressed with his performance in their 3-0 FA Cup third-round victory over Norwich City after being recalled from his loan at Birmingham City on 2nd January.
The defender made 28 appearances for the Blues, but for now his fate remains to be decided by Meulensteen who is unsure whether to pitch him out on loan again.
"Dan's been a breath of fresh air. He did well in the Norwich away game," Meulensteen said.
"Him staying here now is definitely something we're going to review, definitely.
"He's matured a lot in Birmingham where he had a very good loan spell and next to Brede Hangeland he looked extremely comfortable.
"The only way that I keep them apart is that he's right footed and Dan's left footed.
"You work with him on the pitch - it's great for someone like Dan to have Brede coming back from that injury so they can work together.
"Dan is a very bright boy, he's not afraid to speak his mind, he talks, and that's the sort of thing you look at, and it was a very positive performance from him."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11681/9117323/fulham-boss-rene-meulensteen-will-review-the-future-of-defender-dan-burn (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11681/9117323/fulham-boss-rene-meulensteen-will-review-the-future-of-defender-dan-burn)
Rene Meulensteen's revelation after this victory that Ravel Morrison wants to join Fulham should not draw attention away from the promising performance of young defender Dan Burn.
Burn was an assured presence alongside the returning Brede Hangeland in central defence as Fulham registered only their fourth clean sheet this term.
The 21-year-old was recalled from a loan spell at Birmingham two weeks ago after impressing in the Championship and Meulensteen will now decide whether to keep him at Craven Cottage. On this evidence, Fulham will be keen for Burn to stay and he may even start against Arsenal on Saturday.
Meulensteen has now used five different centre-back pairings since replacing Martin Jol but captain Hangeland and Burn formed an impressive partnership as Fulham booked an FA Cup fourth-round tie with Sheffield United.
"He has been a breath of fresh air," said Meulensteen. "He did well in the away game [against Norwich] and he has matured a lot at Birmingham after a very good loan spell. Next to Brede, he looked very comfortable.
"It is great for him to have someone like Brede alongside him but he is a very bright boy. He is not afraid to speak his mind and it was a very positive performance. It is a big boost to have Brede back as well and it is great to see him come through the 90 minutes so well."
Darren Bent, Ashkan Dejagah and Steve Sidwell scored last night to build some momentum ahead of a tricky run of Premier League fixtures.
Fulham go to Arsenal on Saturday and, after their Cup clash, face Swansea (a) Southampton (h), Manchester United (a) and Liverpool (h). They are one point above 18th place and need a positive return from those games to distance themselves from the bottom three.
Meulensteen said: "Making sure you get into the habit of positive performances is important and keeping a clean sheet was great."
Bryan Ruiz today completed his loan move to PSV Eindhoven as Fulham were linked with a £2million deal for Leicester defender Liam Moore.
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/dan-burns-bright-in-heart-of-fulham-defence-9061363.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/dan-burns-bright-in-heart-of-fulham-defence-9061363.html)
Quote from: Baider on January 15, 2014, 03:09:04 PM
I remember reading the other day that Burn is currently the second highest rated player in terms of performances this season in the championship so not too sure how people on here are claiming that he is 'average'. Watching the game yesterday, for the first time these last couple years, I had confidence in our defence. Burn had an actual presence on the field that I am yet to see from Amore and especially Senderos, he was shouting at every player given them directions, telling them to squeeze in, getting the defence to push up. When was the last time you saw Senderos take some leadership and direct the team? This guy is 21 years old, never played at the highest level and is still ticking all those boxes. Senderos has won trophies, played Champions league football, played in World Cups and still looks clueless on the pitch. Amorebieta has also had ample experience. Burn needs to stay.
The only thing i would disagree with is with Senderos, every game he tries to marshall the defence much more than Hangeland does, that is a very big positive with him, his only problem is his lack of skill, but i do think people react to the reputation rather that his time on the pitch. Burn is a great prospect, I as usual will be positive and expect a win at Arsenal but in all honesty do not expect to get much i think he is worth a gamble.
