Obviously I'm pleased both by the win and the fact that we kept a clean sheet for the first time since the dinosaurs went extinct, and frankly who cares if it was against a not very good Norwich. Their fans were discussing their plight on the train after the game, not happy bunnies at all.
Also, obviously, I am happy to see Brede coming back, but to read most of the comments made this morning you would be forgiven to think the messiah had returned, turned some water into wine, raised the dead and gone on to solve world poverty.
I thought he had a poor game.
Yes, I know, it was his first game back, he will improve, etc, but on last night's showing I honestly do not see him as a better alternative to our established superstars. His passing was dreadfully slow and ponderous, many passes were to a player already closely marked by an opponent and he made the sort of errors that Senderos, to name a fellow Fulham defender at random, would be ritually slaughtered for. I wonder if it would be a good idea to start him against Arsenal, or would it set him back?
Quote from: Rupert on January 15, 2014, 12:38:34 PM
Obviously I'm pleased both by the win and the fact that we kept a clean sheet for the first time since the dinosaurs went extinct, and frankly who cares if it was against a not very good Norwich. Their fans were discussing their plight on the train after the game, not happy bunnies at all.
Also, obviously, I am happy to see Brede coming back, but to read most of the comments made this morning you would be forgiven to think the messiah had returned, turned some water into wine, raised the dead and gone on to solve world poverty.
I thought he had a poor game.
Yes, I know, it was his first game back, he will improve, etc, but on last night's showing I honestly do not see him as a better alternative to our established superstars. His passing was dreadfully slow and ponderous, many passes were to a player already closely marked by an opponent and he made the sort of errors that Senderos, to name a fellow Fulham defender at random, would be ritually slaughtered for. I wonder if it would be a good idea to start him against Arsenal, or would it set him back?
if we don't start him we will concede a bucket load unless our established superstars have drastically improved within a week. better to gamble that he might be good than throw the ones back in who we know wont be good
Considering he only resumed full training 2 weeks ago I am surprised he has made such a quick comeback.
I guess he will need a bit of time to rediscover his usual form.
We know how good he has been. If his operation has sorted his back out he needs game time to get back to his best.
No operation is going to bring Senderos up to that standard.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 15, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
We know how good he has been. If his operation has sorted his back out he needs game time to get back to his best.
No operation is going to bring Senderos up to that standard.
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He was fantastic in the air yesterday, as was Dan Burn, but he covered Burn very well as well. I think you are over exaggerating, shown by your only example of him having a bad game is being slow with the ball, isn't that obvious being his first game for what must be close to two months? I don't mean to sound rude, but I simply don't agree in the slightest.
I also think he's a comforting presence for others in the team, and is a class above the others "With Hangeland starting this season, it's 10 matches and 13 goals conceded, and without Brede it's 14 games and 41 conceded."
Case closed I think.
Quote from: FPT on January 15, 2014, 12:59:38 PM
He was fantastic in the air yesterday, as was Dan Burn, but he covered Burn very well as well. I think you are over exaggerating, shown by your only example of him having a bad game is being slow with the ball, isn't that obvious being his first game for what must be close to two months? I don't mean to sound rude, but I simply don't agree in the slightest.
I also think he's a comforting presence for others in the team, and is a class above the others "With Hangeland starting this season, it's 10 matches and 13 goals conceded, and without Brede it's 14 games and 41 conceded."
Case closed I think.
I don't think you are being rude by disagreeing at all, but with all due respect there was far more wrong than being slow with the ball. His decision making was suspect, in my opinion, and passing accuracy was not good. I have already acknowledged that it was his first game back, and he will hopefully improve, but I can see Arsenal ripping him to shreds if he plays on Saturday.
Quote from: Rupert on January 15, 2014, 01:07:22 PM
Quote from: FPT on January 15, 2014, 12:59:38 PM
He was fantastic in the air yesterday, as was Dan Burn, but he covered Burn very well as well. I think you are over exaggerating, shown by your only example of him having a bad game is being slow with the ball, isn't that obvious being his first game for what must be close to two months? I don't mean to sound rude, but I simply don't agree in the slightest.
I also think he's a comforting presence for others in the team, and is a class above the others "With Hangeland starting this season, it's 10 matches and 13 goals conceded, and without Brede it's 14 games and 41 conceded."
Case closed I think.
I don't think you are being rude by disagreeing at all, but with all due respect there was far more wrong than being slow with the ball. His decision making was suspect, in my opinion, and passing accuracy was not good. I have already acknowledged that it was his first game back, and he will hopefully improve, but I can see Arsenal ripping him to shreds if he plays on Saturday.
To be fair mate, chances are, whoever we play there is going to get ripped to shreds.
Brede offers stability at the back. Was he rusty? Of course. Hopefully that is the last we have seen of Senderos
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 15, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
We know how good he has been. If his operation has sorted his back out he needs game time to get back to his best.
No operation is going to bring Senderos up to that standard.
Oh, I don't know. A brain transplant perhaps.
Just nice to see 2 centre backs attacking the high balls instead of letting them bounce before they try and deal with them
I thought Brede was very very rusty last night and was hampered by playing at right CB to accommodate Burn.
On last nights viewing I would not pair them together until one or other of them can pass better with their right foot
He was fine. But he did make a mistake or two. None that different from those others had made (except of course the reaction on this board would be different as th eposts on this thread make clear.)
brede looked rusty but he got his head on a few things we have recently been missing and to give an example.... Norwich had a corner late in the first half, it was a pretty good delivery but brede got there first and from that touch we went straight down the other end and scored the second goal. He made a difference, the more he plays the less rusty he will look... and to be fair his passing has never exactly been that wonderful... i think sendeross is more talented in that department but sendeross unfortunately makes too many howlers.
Burn looked good for a first home game, strong, confident and in the long run a potentoally very good player.... but I don't see him as a partner for brede rather a replacement when the time comes.
Quote from: FPT on January 15, 2014, 12:59:38 PM
"With Hangeland starting this season, it's 10 matches and 13 goals conceded, and without Brede it's 14 games and 41 conceded."
Case closed I think.
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If Hangeland is fit he plays and the question for Rene is who should be his partner. I saw nothing last night to suggest that that shouldn't be Burn.
A lot has been made of how poor Norwich were, but I think any other centre-half pairing would've conceded last night. That's how bad we've been at the back this season. ANY trace of defensive stability whatsoever has to be treasured and ran with for as long as it works.
I think Burn and Brede actually looked to be a team in defence. Too often we have seen two defenders who seem to have no idea where the other is. But covering was good last night. Yes it was Norwich in the cup but compared to the Sunderland game the understanding looked very good. Where there still problems? Yes but compared to the last few defensive displays I think it looked much better.
I thought he looked rusty and overall we were a bit lucky to keep the clean sheet. That being said, no reason not to give him the opportunity to shake off the rust a bit.
Quote from: FPT on January 15, 2014, 12:59:38 PM
I also think he's a comforting presence for others in the team, and is a class above the others "With Hangeland starting this season, it's 10 matches and 13 goals conceded, and without Brede it's 14 games and 41 conceded."
Case closed I think.
Was going to post an essay just about how vital Hangeland is to us but seen this stat which sums it up perfectly.
I thought he got some solid tackles in and covered quite well as did Burn vice versa, made the one 'Senderos' mistake in the first half letting their player get past him on the byline.My only concern over Brede at the game on Tuesday was that I had the impression he got outjumped from a standing position for crosses a number of times. Watching the full recording last night he did get outjumped but only because he only just got off the ground and it wasn't timing. This was his problem before the injury, I hope it was just lack of fitness andrustiness in decision making and not signs of a player that is less than they were before the injury.
Quote from: Admin on January 15, 2014, 12:55:38 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on January 15, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
We know how good he has been. If his operation has sorted his back out he needs game time to get back to his best.
No operation is going to bring Senderos up to that standard.
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A brain implant?
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I have to disagree. Brede was happy to pass the ball to midfield during the match unlike many of our other defenders who play it around the back for ages which doesn't go down well with the fans. Its so simple yet saves a lot of frustration and speeds our play up, not to mention that he makes good blocks and definately has more of a presence in both boxes.
I think him coming back is a huge relief although he will not keep us up on his own.
Quote from: mikeyffc28 on January 15, 2014, 01:19:58 PM
Quote from: FPT on January 15, 2014, 12:59:38 PM
"With Hangeland starting this season, it's 10 matches and 13 goals conceded, and without Brede it's 14 games and 41 conceded."
Case closed I think.
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10 matches and 13 g9oals conceded - was he not partnered with Senderos during this time?
this is something i may be wrong with, but i thought that Hangers and Senders complimented each other, i think that Burn will be better than both of them in time, i also think he will be ok against Arsenal, don't really think it matters who is at the back in this game.
