I just passed one not long ago. It's not like in a movie, where they show it if it's like 10 min. that thing goes on for like 2 hours and more
There's absolutely no chance you can cheat it. In my case I said the truth and prove my innocence. But believe me they'll catch you if you are lying
Anyone else have experience with lie detectors?
No I haven't - they featured quite strongly in Homeland.
I don't believe they can successfully tell if someone is lying - all they can measure is a physical response, that may be caused by anxiety.
I don't think they lie detector tests results are acceptable evidence in a British court of law, if they were I think it would be a travesty.
That's my personal opinion , anyway - others are free to disagree.
why did you have to pass a lie detector test?
Will we be seeing you on Jeremy Kyle any time soon?
Quote from: Count Berbatov on February 28, 2014, 07:25:45 AM
I just passed one not long ago. It's not like in a movie, where they show it if it's like 10 min. that thing goes on for like 2 hours and more
There's absolutely no chance you can cheat it. In my case I said the truth and prove my innocence. But believe me they'll catch you if you are lying
Anyone else have experience with lie detectors?
What did you say when they asked if you are a Fulham supporter and not just a troll?
Oh that's not fair, the Count is not a troll. Yes he supports The Mu, and he came here as a Berber supporter, but Fulham has a place in his heart now.
Mind you I'm curious about the lie detector test, is it common place in America then. I'd be crap at it, I always looked guilty in assemblies at school even though I had done no wrong
Just out of curiosity Mr Count, why were you in the position of having to take a lie detector test? And we want an honest answer, of course... !
I took one a few years ago. Oh no wait I never have taken one. It was all a lie.
Quote from: Lighthouse on February 28, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
I took one a few years ago. Oh no wait I never have taken one. It was all a lie.
You've impressively managed to both pass and fail that one. Good work.
Quote from: RaySmith on February 28, 2014, 07:44:13 AM
No I haven't - they featured quite strongly in Homeland.
I don't believe they can successfully tell if someone is lying - all they can measure is a physical response, that may be caused by anxiety.
I don't think they lie detector tests results are acceptable evidence in a British court of law, if they were I think it would be a travesty.
That's my personal opinion , anyway - others are free to disagree.
They shouldn't be. It's not an exact science. But they could be used in interrogations as part of getting more information out of rather than using it as an evidence against one
Quote from: Berserker on February 28, 2014, 11:15:08 AM
Oh that's not fair, the Count is not a troll. Yes he supports The Mu, and he came here as a Berber supporter, but Fulham has a place in his heart now.
Sorry Mrs B, the forum says Friends of Fulham, not friends of Berbatov, he has gone and so should the count be gone also, we have had this discussion over and over, this is not just a general football forum for all and sundry it is for Fulham fans only, , yes you get Licker on here and the occasional away fan coming in peace before a game but that is all there should be, there was a Liverpool supporter on here in Finn's day that used to drive him and a lot more mad, he was dispatched so why not the count? That is my opinion I am sure others will have theirs too.
Quote from: nixie-ffc on February 28, 2014, 09:19:00 AM
why did you have to pass a lie detector test?
Quote from: PokerMatt on February 28, 2014, 09:25:47 AM
Will we be seeing you on Jeremy Kyle any time soon?
Quote from: Burt on February 28, 2014, 11:23:56 AM
Just out of curiosity Mr Count, why were you in the position of having to take a lie detector test? And we want an honest answer, of course... !
I'd like to keep the reasons private. But as part of the process of hiring you, certain businesses require you to take one. Plus cops and detectives do good business offering those services on the side. Companies, families, anybody can seek their help.
And no, you won't be seeing me on any of those shows... I actually recognized all my children. It was just one big party. I had too much to drink. One thing led to another... :-D
Quote from: epsomraver on February 28, 2014, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: Berserker on February 28, 2014, 11:15:08 AM
Oh that's not fair, the Count is not a troll. Yes he supports The Mu, and he came here as a Berber supporter, but Fulham has a place in his heart now.
Sorry Mrs B, the forum says Friends of Fulham, not friends of Berbatov, he has gone and so should the count be gone also, we have had this discussion over and over, this is not just a general football forum for all and sundry it is for Fulham fans only, , yes you get Licker on here and the occasional away fan coming in peace before a game but that is all there should be, there was a Liverpool supporter on here in Finn's day that used to drive him and a lot more mad, he was dispatched so why not the count? That is my opinion I am sure others will have theirs too.
Out of curiosity. How old are you Epsomraver?
Quote from: epsomraver on February 28, 2014, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: Berserker on February 28, 2014, 11:15:08 AM
Oh that's not fair, the Count is not a troll. Yes he supports The Mu, and he came here as a Berber supporter, but Flam has a place in his heart now.
Sorry Mrs B, the forum says Friends of Flam, not friends of Berbatov, he has gone and so should the count be gone also, we have had this discussion over and over, this is not just a general football forum for all and sundry it is for Fulham fans only, , yes you get Licker on here and the occasional away fan coming in peace before a game but that is all there should be, there was a Liverpool supporter on here in Finn's day that used to drive him and a lot more mad, he was dispatched so why not the count? That is my opinion I am sure others will have theirs too.
EDITED OUT DUE TO OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE/PERSONAL ABUSE.
Not the FoF way...
Quote from: epsomraver on February 28, 2014, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: Berserker on February 28, 2014, 11:15:08 AM
Oh that's not fair, the Count is not a troll. Yes he supports The Mu, and he came here as a Berber supporter, but Fulham has a place in his heart now.
Sorry Mrs B, the forum says Friends of Fulham, not friends of Berbatov, he has gone and so should the count be gone also, we have had this discussion over and over, this is not just a general football forum for all and sundry it is for Fulham fans only, , yes you get Licker on here and the occasional away fan coming in peace before a game but that is all there should be, there was a Liverpool supporter on here in Finn's day that used to drive him and a lot more mad, he was dispatched so why not the count? That is my opinion I am sure others will have theirs too.
Could not disagree more. As long as people are respectful and talk about matters that are Fulham related (rather than lie detector tests) then they should be welcome. Away supporters only get thrown out of the home end when they obviously cheer away goals.
I would like to believe that we are a friendly and welcoming club and supporters and long may it stay that way.
Anyway, mods please put NFR in the title of the thread. So there's no confusion. I simply forgot and am posting from my phone, so I don't think I can do it from it
Just an idea. On Redcafe and other forums for that matter, there's dedicated sections of subforums if you want, where people can discuss non football matters. Say a football forum. A general one. Fulham players one etc.
Congratulations on that opinion Epsom, you must have worked hard to get it. Good luck with it!
I've never had a problem with anything Count Berbatov posts - he's a long way down my hit list.
Thanks guys. I believe I have treated most on here with nothing but respect. Hope you are OK with me sticking around. Times are difficult as is, no need to waste time and energy on me
Quote from: Count Berbatov on February 28, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
Thanks guys. I believe I have treated most on here with nothing but respect. Hope you are OK with me sticking around. Times are difficult as is, no need to waste time and energy on me
No problems at all here. Besides, it's sometimes good to have a neutral opinion on matters.
There are fans of other teams on here who always get treated with respect too, so as far as I'm concerned you're very welcome. 082.gif
Quote from: Berserker on February 28, 2014, 11:17:22 AM
Mind you I'm curious about the lie detector test, is it common place in America then. I'd be crap at it, I always looked guilty in assemblies at school even though I had done no wrong
That's not quite how it works though.
My understanding is, that it has a way to detect lies not based just on physical movements. Heart rate changes etc.
They say when you lie, you use your imagination. As opposed to just stating the fact. Or and also, you know how when you lie you get the adrenaline rush. It has a way to detect that
Just a reminder:
No PERSONAL ABUSE or BAD LANGUAGE. I have edited one of the responses on this thread because of this and sent a PM to the poster.
Whilst FOF is for Fulham supporters, we do welcome fans from other clubs so long as they respect the rules. In this particular case, unless anyone puts me right, the Count has always been respectful and courteous.
So simmer down peeps, how can I have a peaceful lunch if I have to stop people from swinging their handbags?? Pasta and sausage today...
Cheers
Burt
Decades ago, Count, U.S. courts uniformly held that lie detector machine results were inadmissible in court as evidence because they were deemed to be unreliable. I'm not aware of any British court that allows them. They say people can learn to control their pulse rate, calm themselves like Tibetan monks meditating, and that certain groups--sociopaths/psychopaths (the ones most likely to have committed the crime)--can pass. And there's always been the notion that some people have nervous dispositions, and their fear at being wrongly convicted actually causes their pulse to race or trigger arrhythmic tachycardia of a sort when asked questions tending to indicate guilt if answered 'incorrectly'. A self-fulfilling prophesy if you will. Private security forces use them. Some other private industries use them. Law enforcement will occasionally ask 'if you'd be willing to take a lie detector test' all the while knowing the results aren't admissible. THEY think there is merit to the tests, admissibility notwithstanding. Passing it tends to clear you in their eyes.
I thought the site was Friends of Fulham which includes the whole spectrum of affection and affiliation to Fulham FC. It wasn't so long ago we were all proud of the fact that Fulham were many peoples favorite 2nd club.
So long as people are respectful and have a genuine interest in Fulham, regardless of whether its because a favorite player or fellow countryman has joined the club I have no problem with them posting here. A more dispassionate view is often quite revealing and calming. Always happy to hear a different viewpoint from any friend of Fulham. Trolls and other clubs fans trying to inflict their own views are not and quite rightly should be excluded. 049:gif
Quote from: MasterHaynes on February 28, 2014, 01:18:11 PM
I thought the site was Friends of Fulham which includes the whole spectrum of affection and affiliation to Fulham FC. It wasn't so long ago we were all proud of the fact that Fulham were many peoples favorite 2nd club.
So long as people are respectful and have a genuine interest in Fulham, regardless of whether its because a favorite player or fellow countryman has joined the club I have no problem with them posting here. A more dispassionate view is often quite revealing and calming. Always happy to hear a different viewpoint from any friend of Fulham. Trolls and other clubs fans trying to inflict their own views are not and quite rightly should be excluded. 049:gif
So what does that make the count then? he is a Man U fan, he talks about them so what is the difference?
We're all trying to inflict our views on others.
In real life we're wise to be careful - on here we just let rip.
Where is it written you can only follow one club? Count doesn't denigrate FFC. He brings a welcome perspective.
Count Berbatov talks more sense than most of ya!
QuoteThere's absolutely no chance you can cheat it.
History has pretty clearly shown this to be untrue.
That said, I like the Count, and I think his opinions are a valuable contribution to the forum.
I took several lie detector tests during my time as an intelligence officer. There's a reason why their results are not acceptable as testimony in criminal trials. They are very easy to fudge, and good liars -- actors, politicians, sociopaths -- can beat them every time.
In France they regard graphology (handwriting analysis) as a valid tool in selection processes.
I think all these things are far too way out and untrustworthy for we English, we'll just stick to reading the good old reliable tealeaves.
Quote from: HatterDon on March 01, 2014, 02:40:23 AM
I took several lie detector tests during my time as an intelligence officer. There's a reason why their results are not acceptable as testimony in criminal trials. They are very easy to fudge, and good liars -- actors, politicians, sociopaths -- can beat them every time.
Yep. That's me
Quote from: HatterDon on March 01, 2014, 02:40:23 AM
I took several lie detector tests during my time as an intelligence officer.
Am I the only one who reads something sinister into Hatter being a US intelligence officer (insert your own joke here) and posted to this country? Eh? Eh?
Though, thinking about it, he doesn't say who he was an intelligence officer for. Hmm, were you the inspiration for "The Americans" TV series, Don? Tell the truth, now. :022:
My name is Don, James Don and I like it shaken and not stirred
Quote from: Rupert on March 01, 2014, 09:42:27 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on March 01, 2014, 02:40:23 AM
I took several lie detector tests during my time as an intelligence officer.
Am I the only one who reads something sinister into Hatter being a US intelligence officer (insert your own joke here) and posted to this country? Eh? Eh?
Though, thinking about it, he doesn't say who he was an intelligence officer for. Hmm, were you the inspiration for "The Americans" TV series, Don? Tell the truth, now. :022:
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