We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
I believe the same. We were improving under Rene and have regressed so much under Magath. We're as bad as we were under Jol again.
agreed. hopefully felix will quit at the end of the season. taken us backwards
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would of won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
I agree. We've not looked interested today, apart from about 10 mins at the start of the 2nd half. And this long ball??? A joke
Totally disagree under Rene we were not improving enough all the damage was done before Christmas and thats a fact.
if buts and maybes , its irrelevant, hes not here.
Quote from: JBH on March 08, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Totally disagree under Rene we were not improving enough all the damage was done before Christmas and thats a fact.
Losing is a habit and we cant break it so have a nice summer and enjoy the championship
Quote from: JBH on March 08, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Totally disagree under Rene we were not improving enough all the damage was done before Christmas and thats a fact.
Agreed. Even Sir Alex could not have saved us if he came in after Xmas. Too many of these players are simply rotten to the core...
The real truth is that we have been total rubbish for at least twelve months now and displayed relegation form after Christmas last year. The statistics over our last forty-five games must be truly horrendous.
Quote from: WORTHINGFULHAM on March 08, 2014, 04:42:43 PM
if buts and maybes , its irrelevant, hes not here.
Yep, no point in saying what if.
Quote from: JBH on March 08, 2014, 04:43:37 PM
Quote from: JBH on March 08, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Totally disagree under Rene we were not improving enough all the damage was done before Christmas and thats a fact.
Losing is a habit and we cant break it so have a nice summer and enjoy the championship
this is the really all it is, the damage was done long ago, managers were not going to be able to turn this team around
this season has been disastrous. we are really bad
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would of won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
We would
have won this game under Rene.
Drives me potty !
Quote from: JBH on March 08, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Totally disagree under Rene we were not improving enough all the damage was done before Christmas and thats a fact.
Beg to differ and anyone who ends an argument with "and that's a fact" is stating an opinion. And that's a fact!
Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 08, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would of won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
We would have won this game under Rene.
Drives me potty !
Indeed, how hard is to get this simple thing right!
Quote from: Twig on March 08, 2014, 05:27:35 PM
Quote from: JBH on March 08, 2014, 04:42:03 PM
Totally disagree under Rene we were not improving enough all the damage was done before Christmas and thats a fact.
Beg to differ and anyone who ends an argument with "and that's a fact" is stating an opinion. And that's a fact!
Brill..lol
We have been poor under all 3 managers, Felix is the worse of the lot this long ball football is so poor he could possibly become worse than Jol, we need someone for the long term next season
I enjoyed the english lesson on here. Much more interesting than watching Fulham get spanked again .
Quote from: Twig on March 08, 2014, 05:28:53 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 08, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would of won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
We would have won this game under Rene.
Drives me potty !
Indeed, how hard is to get this simple thing right!
Easy, look how we have been playing!
Quote from: Twig on March 08, 2014, 05:28:53 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 08, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would of won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
We would have won this game under Rene.
Drives me potty !
Indeed, how hard is to get this simple thing right!
In fact,
your instead of
you're ,
to instead of
too, misuse of
there, they're and their, and
of for
off ....all are potty drivers!
I make it my practice not to speculate on speculation :dft011:
Quote from: ron on March 08, 2014, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 08, 2014, 05:28:53 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 08, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would of won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
We would have won this game under Rene.
Drives me potty !
Indeed, how hard is to get this simple thing right!
In fact, your instead of you're , to instead of too, misuse of there, they're and their, and of for off ....all are potty drivers!
Another one that irks me is people who say women instead of woman. You'll notice that now, I guarantee it.
Quote from: PokerMatt on March 08, 2014, 09:20:33 PM
Quote from: ron on March 08, 2014, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 08, 2014, 05:28:53 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 08, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would of won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
We would have won this game under Rene.
Drives me potty !
Indeed, how hard is to get this simple thing right!
In fact, your instead of you're , to instead of too, misuse of there, they're and their, and of for off ....all are potty drivers!
Another one that irks me is people who say women instead of woman. You'll notice that now, I guarantee it.
Good to see I'm not the only one around here that still has standards of grammar.
apologies for grammar and spelling i am dyslexic and prefer to make the point than spend ages checking things i can't see anyway
SO
IMO under rene we would have woin the WBA game, no probs, competed with chelsea as we did against liverpool (still probably nil points), and today as a minimum got a point and probably all three...... I genuinely think rene, with hIS new signings, had the team they way he wanted, i loved the man utd team selection and the effort they all put in, for the first time they looked a team and united, it was a pleasure to watch....
we will never know what might have been. i do know a third manager in a season was virtually a guarantee of relegation, it was bizarre and the highest possible risk strategy.
Since when did we pick people up on their grammar, punctuation etc. have we become a forum forum of clever dicks? Sounds very much like it to me.
I think we would of played better if ren was in charge we seem to have gone so far backwards under felix magath I think felix the cat would have us playing better than this idiot.
I agree with peabody..... no need for the English language police to come out at all on FOF. It is a form of cyber bullying and should not be tolerated.
Back to the OP.... In my opinion we had a greater chance of staying up with him in charge, the performances with his team against utd and Liverpool were a breath of fresh air and imo we would have got 4 points from our last 3 games....Now we have gone backwards and resemble a team managed by Jol
I don't think suggesting that correct grammar should be used constitutes "Cyber bullying". Come to that I really don't think that encouraging accurate spelling makes anyone a "Clever Dick".
But each to his own. I shall keep checking mine.
One of my biggest pet hates is people who pick up on other peoples spelling or grammar. It's petty, childish, belittling and humiliating to others. I've got no time for it on FOF so please let's move on, put it to bed and leave it there.
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
Maybe. Maybe not. The team played better under both Magath and him. Just Jol was around for too long
Quote from: ron on March 08, 2014, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 08, 2014, 05:28:53 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 08, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would of won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
We would have won this game under Rene.
Drives me potty !
Indeed, how hard is to get this simple thing right!
In fact, your instead of you're , to instead of too, misuse of there, they're and their, and of for off ....all are potty drivers!
Fewer instead of less?
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
As others have said this is all ifs, buts and maybes but I felt we were showing some spirit and ran two top teams close (ok we only picked up one point). I also felt we were starting to integrate a blend of youth. I appreciate all this is opinion and perspective but in my view we have regressed under Magath and yesterday's pathetic, low energy, dispirited effort illustrated that problem. Perhaps he will be a good manager for us longer term (perhaps) but right now we seem to me to have lost the small sliver of hope of survival that Rene offered me.
Quote from: Twig on March 09, 2014, 07:05:37 AM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
As others have said this is all ifs, buts and maybes but I felt we were showing some spirit and ran two top teams close (ok we only picked up one point). I also felt we were starting to integrate a blend of youth. I appreciate all this is opinion and perspective but in my view we have regressed under Magath and yesterday's pathetic, low energy, dispirited effort illustrated that problem. Perhaps he will be a good manager for us longer term (perhaps) but right now we seem to me to have lost the small sliver of hope of survival that Rene offered me.
I believe that we would have beaten WBA and Cardiff with Rene and may even have drawn with Chelsea. His team were starting to come together. We have gone backwards with Felix. He displays the same arrogance as Jol and like Jol, backs it up with nothing.
We would have had a better chance of staying up keeping Rene than getting Magath in
With Rene we were starting to fight. He was an inexperienced manager, but he seemed to realise that the old guard were gonna get us relegated. Bringing in the youngsters and lowering our average age (something we have needed for 3 or 4 years) was starting to show promise.
Magath has gone back to the old guard in an attempt to save us. It's not working. These guys cannot last 90 minutes and sorry Felix, it is not due to fitness, but age ! They are pooped. The only player over say 32 that is worth "half a match" in my opinion is Karagounis.
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
Pointless hand wringing.
Rene made a good show but the results were not there.
Remember Hull????
Forget Rene.
He is irrelevant now. There is nothing to be gained by harking back to a mythical time when frankly we were doing no better than now. History has a way of being rewritten. The results were not coming....then or now. Next game....that's all we can do. Look to the next game. Looking back is pointless
Quote from: TerryR on March 09, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
Pointless hand wringing.
Rene made a good show but the results were not there.
Remember Hull????
Forget Rene.
He is irrelevant now. There is nothing to be gained by harking back to a mythical time when frankly we were doing no better than now. History has a way of being rewritten. The results were not coming....then or now. Next game....that's all we can do. Look to the next game. Looking back is pointless
:plus one:
Quote from: JackyFulham90 on March 09, 2014, 08:22:38 AM
We would have had a better chance of staying up keeping Rene than getting Magath in
I think we still would have gone down. I liked Rene but some of our performances (Hull, Sheff Utd to name two) were nothing other than woeful + Rene brought in Wilkins which was a huge tactical mistake
The question that I ponder over is whether Rene would have been better than Felix (or someone yet to be appointed) to rebuild the club's fortunes following relegation
Quote from: TerryR on March 09, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
Pointless hand wringing.
Rene made a good show but the results were not there.
Remember Hull????
Forget Rene.
He is irrelevant now. There is nothing to be gained by harking back to a mythical time when frankly we were doing no better than now. History has a way of being rewritten. The results were not coming....then or now. Next game....that's all we can do. Look to the next game. Looking back is pointless
I thought pointless hand wringinng and futile debate were a key reason for the existence of MBs like this.
If you deny me the opportunity to wail in the night, you deny me closure on the unnecesary dismantling in a once competent team.
Quote from: nose on March 09, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: TerryR on March 09, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
Pointless hand wringing.
Rene made a good show but the results were not there.
Remember Hull????
Forget Rene.
He is irrelevant now. There is nothing to be gained by harking back to a mythical time when frankly we were doing no better than now. History has a way of being rewritten. The results were not coming....then or now. Next game....that's all we can do. Look to the next game. Looking back is pointless
I thought pointless hand wringinng and futile debate were a key reason for the existence of MBs like this.
If you deny me the opportunity to wail in the night, you deny me closure on the unnecesary dismantling in a once competent team.
I think MR Nose that the point is there is no point in speculating what might or might not have happened it is something we will never know, some say we would have won this game under Rene, it is possible of that we may have won this game under Jol, it is something that has now gone.
Spot on.
Burn and Heitinga were the foundation at the back.
The defensivie 4-4-1-1 counter football was working, as it meant we were 6-3-1 in defence which is the way to go about it.
Giving Woodrow a debut at this point was silly.
Quote from: alfie on March 09, 2014, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: nose on March 09, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: TerryR on March 09, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
Pointless hand wringing.
Rene made a good show but the results were not there.
Remember Hull????
Forget Rene.
He is irrelevant now. There is nothing to be gained by harking back to a mythical time when frankly we were doing no better than now. History has a way of being rewritten. The results were not coming....then or now. Next game....that's all we can do. Look to the next game. Looking back is pointless
I thought pointless hand wringinng and futile debate were a key reason for the existence of MBs like this.
If you deny me the opportunity to wail in the night, you deny me closure on the unnecesary dismantling in a once competent team.
I think MR Nose that the point is there is no point in speculating what might or might not have happened it is something we will never know, some say we would have won this game under Rene, it is possible of that we may have won this game under Jol, it is something that has now gone.
Logically, you are correct, but I am afraid logic isn't a factor.
If it was my business I would want to identify who was responsible and take action.
As it is we do not know who really has made the descions, so all that is left is pointless speculation... and for wht it is worth, it makes for quite interesting debate and sometimes gives an insight into what other people think.
Just my opinion and largely I offer it because I absolutely thought rene was about to come good and i had that chance of finding out snatched away.
Hope springs eternal and I suppose IF (there is a big bit of speculation) we beat newcastle, then maybe there might just be a slim hope of some progress.
Quote from: nose on March 09, 2014, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: alfie on March 09, 2014, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: nose on March 09, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: TerryR on March 09, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: Toby Ward-Smith on March 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
We would have won this game under Rene, he was just starting to get things right then Khan and Mac sack him for Magath who has know clue how the prem works.
Pointless hand wringing.
Rene made a good show but the results were not there.
Remember Hull????
Forget Rene.
He is irrelevant now. There is nothing to be gained by harking back to a mythical time when frankly we were doing no better than now. History has a way of being rewritten. The results were not coming....then or now. Next game....that's all we can do. Look to the next game. Looking back is pointless
I thought pointless hand wringinng and futile debate were a key reason for the existence of MBs like this.
If you deny me the opportunity to wail in the night, you deny me closure on the unnecesary dismantling in a once competent team.
I think MR Nose that the point is there is no point in speculating what might or might not have happened it is something we will never know, some say we would have won this game under Rene, it is possible of that we may have won this game under Jol, it is something that has now gone.
Logically, you are correct, but I am afraid logic isn't a factor.
If it was my business I would want to identify who was responsible and take action.
As it is we do not know who really has made the descions, so all that is left is pointless speculation... and for wht it is worth, it makes for quite interesting debate and sometimes gives an insight into what other people think.
Just my opinion and largely I offer it because I absolutely thought rene was about to come good and i had that chance of finding out snatched away.
Hope springs eternal and I suppose IF (there is a big bit of speculation) we beat newcastle, then maybe there might just be a slim hope of some progress.
Yep agree with that, Khan thought Rene was responsible for continued loosing and shipping goals and i guess he took action right or wrong he did take action
