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Title: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Admin on April 15, 2014, 07:09:09 PM
I'm not taking about less adverts, or certain posters, but if you could improve FOF in any way, what would you like to see? We've recently had a revamp, but what else could be introduced that would improve your FOF experience? You may have seen something else on another football forum and thought "that was a good idea" if so, please post the link in here and share it with us. We're always open to idea's, and I feel it's important to get regular feedback from our members. Not saying that we can fulfill every demand, it's always down to budgets and time, but we're always looking to improve things.

(Please keep this thread on topic, clean and to the point. Any ridiculous demands like watching LBNo11 take his clothes off will be removed)  049:gif   
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: YankeeJim on April 15, 2014, 07:41:29 PM
Absolutely, LB should keep his clothes on. Other than that and the things you said not to do, I'd like one of our computer nerds to be charged with posting the match highlights. There could be a category type thread similar to the Match Day one and we could all go refer back and settle arguments and start new ones.
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Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: CincyFulham1 on April 15, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Strippers
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: HatterDon on April 15, 2014, 08:00:06 PM
aside from more respect, better grammar/punctuation, and a constitutional amendment banning multiple threads on a single subject, I really can't think of anything I'd like to see that isn't already here.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Rhys Lightning 63 on April 15, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: CincyFulham1 on April 15, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Strippers

Couple of hookers wouldn't go amiss either. Isn't that what I pay for
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: leonffc on April 15, 2014, 08:08:32 PM
A 'match tickets' thread or sticky?
On the run up to games there are people looking to sell or buy but their posts get lost down the page as other topics arise. Sticking them in one place would help everyone as well as free up space for other topics on page 1.
Title: Re:
Post by: Berserker on April 15, 2014, 08:09:26 PM
Is that the American term for a Striker, won't see many of them at Fulham!
Title: Re:
Post by: YankeeJim on April 15, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: Berserker on April 15, 2014, 08:09:26 PM
Is that the American term for a Striker, won't see many of them at Fulham!


Baaad girl! I'll have to turn you over my knee.   092.gif
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: RaySmith on April 15, 2014, 08:57:09 PM
Quote from: leonffc on April 15, 2014, 08:08:32 PM
A 'match tickets' thread or sticky?
On the run up to games there are people looking to sell or buy but their posts get lost down the page as other topics arise. Sticking them in one place would help everyone as well as free up space for other topics on page 1.
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Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Admin on April 15, 2014, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: leonffc on April 15, 2014, 08:08:32 PM
A 'match tickets' thread or sticky?
On the run up to games there are people looking to sell or buy but their posts get lost down the page as other topics arise. Sticking them in one place would help everyone as well as free up space for other topics on page 1.

Would this not make FOF a 'Tout' though?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Putney on April 15, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
New emoticons, preferably ones of the players' faces.

Imagine being able to post Holtby's face just like that. Too good to think about.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: SKSW6 on April 15, 2014, 09:06:36 PM
I know you can use the "img" "/img" in brackets or whatever it is with the image URL within, but an easier way to post pictures would be good if possible.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: FPT on April 15, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
I'd maybe look at brightening up the colour-scheme. It's nice, but very grey. I'm not saying go OTT with yellow, light blue and pink, but something a bit less dull.

Though I'd have to see examples, it could look awful afterwards.

And an easier way of posing pictures, god knows how to do it now. It should just be:

1) Add Image
2) Click
3) Picture added
4) Post
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: K33NY on April 15, 2014, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 15, 2014, 07:09:09 PM
I'm not taking about less adverts, or certain posters, but if you could improve FOF in any way, what would you like to see? We've recently had a revamp, but what else could be introduced that would improve your FOF experience? You may have seen something else on another football forum and thought "that was a good idea" if so, please post the link in here and share it with us. We're always open to idea's, and I feel it's important to get regular feedback from our members. Not saying that we can fulfill every demand, it's always down to budgets and time, but we're always looking to improve things.

(Please keep this thread on topic, clean and to the point. Any ridiculous demands like watching LBNo11 take his clothes off will be removed)  049:gif   

one thing I mentioned in a post around christmas, a nice background picture is big wish from me, as I am not a fan of the white/grey only background, a nice background og Craven Cottage or something :)
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: RidgeRider on April 15, 2014, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: leonffc on April 15, 2014, 08:08:32 PM
A 'match tickets' thread or sticky?
On the run up to games there are people looking to sell or buy but their posts get lost down the page as other topics arise. Sticking them in one place would help everyone as well as free up space for other topics on page 1.

Not a bad idea. I have seen multiple threads pop regarding tickets to matches. I have taken to merging them when I see them but they do run down the page and on to the second page, if they are not bumped.
Title: Re:
Post by: Berserker on April 15, 2014, 10:09:00 PM
I agree with an easier way to post photo's
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: epsomraver on April 15, 2014, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: FPT on April 15, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
I'd maybe look at brightening up the colour-scheme. It's nice, but very grey. I'm not saying go OTT with yellow, light blue and pink, but something a bit less dull.

Though I'd have to see examples, it could look awful afterwards.

And an easier way of posing pictures, god knows how to do it now. It should just be:

1) Add Image
2) Click
3) Picture added
4) Post

As it is on facebook and Ebay would be good .
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: leonffc on April 15, 2014, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 15, 2014, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: leonffc on April 15, 2014, 08:08:32 PM
A 'match tickets' thread or sticky?
On the run up to games there are people looking to sell or buy but their posts get lost down the page as other topics arise. Sticking them in one place would help everyone as well as free up space for other topics on page 1.

Would this not make FOF a 'Tout' though?

Not if sold at face value or less (can sell for over face value if SHADY1 is sniffing). When we sold our Arsenal away allocation a gooner mate told me to follow 'Arsenal ticket exchange' on twitter. It seems to work really well and rather than someone selling seperately, they can get rid of it easier through the 'exchange'.
Likewise, if a (known) foriegn fan is coming over, it might be easier to sell them a ticket that isnt needed or even get them one through a memebership or ST rather than them going through the club.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Rudolph on April 15, 2014, 10:23:03 PM
Optimism.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: DukeTyrion on April 15, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
I would like to see the obvious trolls banned.

I am starting to visit the site less, because one troll in particular gets away with it constantly. And the blocking function does not block threads.

So maybe just the option to block entire threads started by certain individuals would help, if they are not going to get banned.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Craven Mad on April 16, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
The board is great, I'm only making suggestions to try and give some constructive points - feel free to ignore them!

I, personally, would love to see more dedicated threads being organised. E.g. on other message boards I've seen them use the title as just a player's name (e.g. "Holtby") and everything about him is discussed in that one location, regardless of how old the original post was. This is done for most threads - e.g. "Felix", "Remaining Fixtures", "Kahn", "Stadium Expansion", etc, etc.

The board is often hard to read because there are so many similar and short threads, I think that it would be easier to read, and would harbour better discussion, if there were fewer, but more detailed threads.

Also, I like the match day threads (as it achieves much of what I've requested above), but it's a bit of a hassle heading over there each time; would it be possible to have a sticky link at the top of the General Discussion board to get people there faster?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: EJL on April 16, 2014, 12:37:55 PM
Quote from: FPT on April 15, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
I'd maybe look at brightening up the colour-scheme. It's nice, but very grey. I'm not saying go OTT with yellow, light blue and pink, but something a bit less dull.

Though I'd have to see examples, it could look awful afterwards.

And an easier way of posing pictures, god knows how to do it now. It should just be:

1) Add Image
2) Click
3) Picture added
4) Post
Only way you can post a picture is via direct URL. Pretty straightforward once you figure it out. Right click on whatever you want to post and click 'Copy Image URL (so the link has .png or .jpg on the end), paste it in the box, then add these two bad boys either side of it: [img] [ /img] (delete the space)
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: EJL on April 16, 2014, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on April 15, 2014, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: FPT on April 15, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
I'd maybe look at brightening up the colour-scheme. It's nice, but very grey. I'm not saying go OTT with yellow, light blue and pink, but something a bit less dull.

Though I'd have to see examples, it could look awful afterwards.

And an easier way of posing pictures, god knows how to do it now. It should just be:

1) Add Image
2) Click
3) Picture added
4) Post

As it is on facebook and Ebay would be good .
It's only that way on those sites you mentioned because they act as image hosting sites as well, in a similar vein to imgur, TinyPic, minus, Photobucket or Flickr. I think the closest FOF has to that is being able to upload a profile picture. If it's possible then great, but I think the coded way of pasting a link and putting tags either site is simple enough.

There's a button that places the tags for you.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Ron Sheepskin on April 16, 2014, 12:42:50 PM
How about a fans' gallery?

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Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Delboy on April 16, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Sheepskin on April 16, 2014, 12:42:50 PM
How about a fans' gallery?

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It would have to be 'X' rated
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: General on April 16, 2014, 12:57:58 PM
 A Fulham hall of fame?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Vinnieffc on April 16, 2014, 01:48:01 PM
Bring back the Cravenettes and we could have a section of (green) pole dancing ?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Forever Fulham on April 16, 2014, 07:15:30 PM
Posting highlight videos on each Match Day thread--a good location for a repository.  A primer on how to post videos/photos/Internet content in a Message.  Something permanently up and accessible, occasionally modified/added to.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Holders on April 17, 2014, 06:28:02 AM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on April 16, 2014, 07:15:30 PM
Posting highlight videos on each Match Day thread--a good location for a repository.  A primer on how to post videos/photos/Internet content in a Message.  Something permanently up and accessible, occasionally modified/added to.

Good points.

I find that FoF can help me avoid visiting the official site so often (it's hard and slow to navigate) because members here post links where they're worthwhile. Video highlights on here would be good, as suggested.

Would also like an easier way to post pics which I've never figured out. If it isn't easy, I really don't have time to geek about. I've spent 24 days, 9 hours and 31 minutes of my life on this site already (and what pleasure it's brought!).

Finally, maybe more of the candid Burt-style interviews with notable people at the club - Sarah, Felix etc...
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.

Stop stifling genuine debate.

This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Herbie on April 17, 2014, 09:02:20 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.

Stop stifling genuine debate.

This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.

Debate doesn't need to resort to insults or contain offensive views for it to be genuine.  All the mods are doing is making sure any debate stays clean and friendly.   
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: The Equalizer on April 17, 2014, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on April 16, 2014, 07:15:30 PM
Posting highlight videos on each Match Day thread--a good location for a repository.  A primer on how to post videos/photos/Internet content in a Message.  Something permanently up and accessible, occasionally modified/added to.

this could be tough due to licensing restraints. Any highlights vids posted would have requests to be removed from the Premier League.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Admin on April 17, 2014, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.

Stop stifling genuine debate.

This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.

If you don't like it, sling your hook over to Cottage Corner, don't know how else to put it really.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: King_Crud on April 17, 2014, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on April 16, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
The board is great, I'm only making suggestions to try and give some constructive points - feel free to ignore them!

I, personally, would love to see more dedicated threads being organised. E.g. on other message boards I've seen them use the title as just a player's name (e.g. "Holtby") and everything about him is discussed in that one location, regardless of how old the original post was. This is done for most threads - e.g. "Felix", "Remaining Fixtures", "Kahn", "Stadium Expansion", etc, etc.

The board is often hard to read because there are so many similar and short threads, I think that it would be easier to read, and would harbour better discussion, if there were fewer, but more detailed threads.

Also, I like the match day threads (as it achieves much of what I've requested above), but it's a bit of a hassle heading over there each time; would it be possible to have a sticky link at the top of the General Discussion board to get people there faster?

I agree with this completely. Too many threads on "Here's what I think is wrong" or "my thoughts on blah blah blah". If you had a thread on pre-game discussion, post game discussion, team formation discussion, Felix discussion etc etc then it would get some more order, threads wouldn't get lost, and the board wouldn't be full of threads on the same subject that get half a dozen responses. Also you can have NFR threads like the music thread, the movie thread etc
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: FortCollinsFulham on April 17, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
Getting rid of the "there's been X amount of new posts since blah blah" thing that comes up if you post something in a busy thread and someone else has posted.

That would be grand.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Southcoastffc on April 17, 2014, 10:54:37 AM
I like Holders suggestion:  Finally, maybe more of the candid Burt-style interviews with notable people at the club - Sarah, Felix etc... They seem more relevant than the invariably bland stuff on the club site.

I suppose pointing to streams on match days is not permissible?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: ron on April 17, 2014, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Admin on April 17, 2014, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.

Stop stifling genuine debate.

This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.

If you don't like it, sling your hook over to Cottage Corner, don't know how else to put it really.

...in fact, I also believe that the level of moderation we have is an encouragement for all would be posters of a more reserved disposition to take the plunge with an opinion, in the knowledge that they won't be torn to pieces and humiliated.
Rather than calling it vanilla, I would call it inclusive, and instead of saying stifling, I would suggest available to all.....
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Twig on April 17, 2014, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: FortCollinsFulham on April 17, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
Getting rid of the "there's been X amount of new posts since blah blah" thing that comes up if you post something in a busy thread and someone else has posted.

That would be grand.

Yes, it is frustrating to have to keep re-entering the post while this pops up.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Twig on April 17, 2014, 11:17:10 AM
How about a player stats page updated after each match?  Or would that contravene copyright of the source provider(s).
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Craven Mad on April 17, 2014, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: ron on April 17, 2014, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Admin on April 17, 2014, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.

Stop stifling genuine debate.

This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.

If you don't like it, sling your hook over to Cottage Corner, don't know how else to put it really.

...in fact, I also believe that the level of moderation we have is an encouragement for all would be posters of a more reserved disposition to take the plunge with an opinion, in the knowledge that they won't be torn to pieces and humiliated.
Rather than calling it vanilla, I would call it inclusive, and instead of saying stifling, I would suggest available to all.....

Here, here.

No issue with the moderation, at all. One or two on here need to realise that opinions different from their own are not necessarily personal attacks, so don't need to be defended against vociferously. The mods do a good job of arbitrating.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: FFCAli on April 17, 2014, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: FortCollinsFulham on April 17, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
Getting rid of the "there's been X amount of new posts since blah blah" thing that comes up if you post something in a busy thread and someone else has posted.

That would be grand.
:plus one:
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: LBNo11 on April 17, 2014, 12:32:30 PM
...I see Admin's latest request to join the Diplomatic Corps has been turned down again!
Wimbledon White, you have mentioned the moderation issue before, and as I mentioned you have the choice of different Fulham forums to choose from, they all have their own styles and if you want something less vanilla and stifling there are other places to look st/contribute to.

Meanwhile the reputation of the site continues to bring in new members, nobody forces them, it's down to different strokes for different folks...

Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: HillFace on April 17, 2014, 12:33:59 PM
Don't know how doable it is, but a chat room when the games are live would be excellent. As someone who is beleagured up in bonny ol' Glasgow and usually stuck in work during the games, it'd be great to keep up to date with such a level-headed bunch of so & so's like yourself.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: WhiteJC on April 17, 2014, 01:01:02 PM
Quote from: HillFace on April 17, 2014, 12:33:59 PM
Don't know how doable it is, but a chat room when the games are live would be excellent. As someone who is beleagured up in bonny ol' Glasgow and usually stuck in work during the games, it'd be great to keep up to date with such a level-headed bunch of so & so's like yourself.

we did have a cut room at one point however, there were several 'technical' issues, such as dropping people out in the middle of a game. I'll have a look at the latest version of the chat room and see if its more stable
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: WhiteJC on April 17, 2014, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: FortCollinsFulham on April 17, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
Getting rid of the "there's been X amount of new posts since blah blah" thing that comes up if you post something in a busy thread and someone else has posted.

That would be grand.

this is a standard 'feature' of the message board software, I'll see if it can be disabled
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: WhiteJC on April 17, 2014, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on April 15, 2014, 09:06:36 PM
I know you can use the "img" "/img" in brackets or whatever it is with the image URL within, but an easier way to post pictures would be good if possible.

this also is a 'feature' of the mb software, I'll have a look to see if any improvements or different utilities are available
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Neil D on April 17, 2014, 01:55:16 PM
How about a British English spellchecker rather than an American English one or is that down to my technical incompetence?  If so, please illuminate me...
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 17, 2014, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.
Stop stifling genuine debate.
This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.

If you don't like it, sling your hook over to Cottage Corner, don't know how else to put it really.

So I criticise the moderation of this forum in a calm, polite(ish) manner and the response from two moderators is to go elsewhere. Wow - how utterly appalling.

I thought this was meant to be an "inclusive" forum for all Fulham fans. I suppose the word "stifling" has something of an accusatory tone about it but it's hardly that bad. I am surprised that two moderators of a forum which prides itself on being inclusive would be so dismissive of genuine and relevant criticism.

As it happens Mr. Admin, I read and post on most Fulham forums. I post occasionally on FoF and Cottage Corner and read Viva El Fulham (when on the rare occasion there is something worth reading).
I find FoF to be the best for Fulham news. Cottage Corner is the most amusing, though incredibly juvenile and the American WUMs do my head in like nobody's business.

Going back to my original post however, I find the moderation of this forum to be OTT and what's more I find the rude responses I have had from them (well just the one actually) to be entirely unnecessary.

For example, when another poster (not me) questioned the number of adverts on here I was sent a downright obnoxious private message telling me to mind my own business purely because I expressed surprise that the thread was closed. It was entirely uncalled for. I had not mentioned the ads whatsoever, just that I was surprised the moderators would act so defensively to the criticism of the adverts they, no doubt, were party to.

I hope this criticism is taken on board finally.

Anyway, I will continue to enjoy reading, and occasionally posting, on Friends of Fulham....unless of course this post will get me banned...which wouldn't surprise me one iota frankly.

All the best.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
In the interests of fairness, I have just re-read the "obnoxious" private message and I am being unfair to call it obnoxious.

It wasn't obnoxious, that's the wrong word for it. It was brusque at worst.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Craven Mad on April 17, 2014, 02:20:44 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 17, 2014, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.
Stop stifling genuine debate.
This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.

If you don't like it, sling your hook over to Cottage Corner, don't know how else to put it really.

So I criticise the moderation of this forum in a calm, polite(ish) manner and the response from two moderators is to go elsewhere. Wow - how utterly appalling.

I thought this was meant to be an "inclusive" forum for all Fulham fans. I suppose the word "stifling" has something of an accusatory tone about it but it's hardly that bad. I am surprised that two moderators of a forum which prides itself on being inclusive would be so dismissive of genuine and relevant criticism.

As it happens Mr. Admin, I read and post on most Fulham forums. I post occasionally on FoF and Cottage Corner and read Viva El Fulham (when on the rare occasion there is something worth reading).
I find FoF to be the best for Fulham news. Cottage Corner is the most amusing, though incredibly juvenile and the American WUMs do my head in like nobody's business.

Going back to my original post however, I find the moderation of this forum to be OTT and what's more I find the rude responses I have had from them (well just the one actually) to be entirely unnecessary.

For example, when another poster (not me) questioned the number of adverts on here I was sent a downright obnoxious private message telling me to mind my own business purely because I expressed surprise that the thread was closed. It was entirely uncalled for. I had not mentioned the ads whatsoever, just that I was surprised the moderators would act so defensively to the criticism of the adverts they, no doubt, were party to.

I hope this criticism is taken on board finally.

Anyway, I will continue to enjoy reading, and occasionally posting, on Friends of Fulham....unless of course this post will get me banned...which wouldn't surprise me one iota frankly.

All the best.

I understand where you're coming from but - ultimately - it's their house, their rules.. The mods all put in time and effort into maintaining the board that they've made, keeping it to the rules they've set.

If you don't like it you could always try to make your own website, pay for it to be hosted and registered, code it, improve it, maintain it etc etc, then you may be able to have the exact forum you want. But, here, we all benefit from a free service that is entertaining, interesting and all about our team.

As you can see on this thread, some people want less moderation, others are happy, others want more. The mods don't have an easy task, but they have every right to do it how they want. Just try to put yourself in their shoes..

Sorry if this causes any offence.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Admin on April 17, 2014, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: Admin on April 17, 2014, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.
Stop stifling genuine debate.
This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.

If you don't like it, sling your hook over to Cottage Corner, don't know how else to put it really.

So I criticise the moderation of this forum in a calm, polite(ish) manner and the response from two moderators is to go elsewhere. Wow - how utterly appalling.

I thought this was meant to be an "inclusive" forum for all Fulham fans. I suppose the word "stifling" has something of an accusatory tone about it but it's hardly that bad. I am surprised that two moderators of a forum which prides itself on being inclusive would be so dismissive of genuine and relevant criticism.

As it happens Mr. Admin, I read and post on most Fulham forums. I post occasionally on FoF and Cottage Corner and read Viva El Fulham (when on the rare occasion there is something worth reading).
I find FoF to be the best for Fulham news. Cottage Corner is the most amusing, though incredibly juvenile and the American WUMs do my head in like nobody's business.

Going back to my original post however, I find the moderation of this forum to be OTT and what's more I find the rude responses I have had from them (well just the one actually) to be entirely unnecessary.

For example, when another poster (not me) questioned the number of adverts on here I was sent a downright obnoxious private message telling me to mind my own business purely because I expressed surprise that the thread was closed. It was entirely uncalled for. I had not mentioned the ads whatsoever, just that I was surprised the moderators would act so defensively to the criticism of the adverts they, no doubt, were party to.

I hope this criticism is taken on board finally.

Anyway, I will continue to enjoy reading, and occasionally posting, on Friends of Fulham....unless of course this post will get me banned...which wouldn't surprise me one iota frankly.

All the best.

Wimbledone_White, unfortunately you're an exception to the rule, and without sounding to obnoxious myself, anything you say or do, won't be taken on board, by me anyway. I don't like your attitude, never have, and you're a typical poster who is always looking to go against the grain, what ever rules are in place. I just feel that Cottage Corner would suit you a lot better, but if you continue to disrupt this thread any further then yes, I will ban you.  
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: BestOfBrede on April 17, 2014, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: Rudolph on April 15, 2014, 10:23:03 PM
Optimism.
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Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: BestOfBrede on April 17, 2014, 03:44:14 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on April 17, 2014, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on April 16, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
The board is great, I'm only making suggestions to try and give some constructive points - feel free to ignore them!

I, personally, would love to see more dedicated threads being organised. E.g. on other message boards I've seen them use the title as just a player's name (e.g. "Holtby") and everything about him is discussed in that one location, regardless of how old the original post was. This is done for most threads - e.g. "Felix", "Remaining Fixtures", "Kahn", "Stadium Expansion", etc, etc.

The board is often hard to read because there are so many similar and short threads, I think that it would be easier to read, and would harbour better discussion, if there were fewer, but more detailed threads.

Also, I like the match day threads (as it achieves much of what I've requested above), but it's a bit of a hassle heading over there each time; would it be possible to have a sticky link at the top of the General Discussion board to get people there faster?

I agree with this completely. Too many threads on "Here's what I think is wrong" or "my thoughts on blah blah blah". If you had a thread on pre-game discussion, post game discussion, team formation discussion, Felix discussion etc etc then it would get some more order, threads wouldn't get lost, and the board wouldn't be full of threads on the same subject that get half a dozen responses. Also you can have NFR threads like the music thread, the movie thread etc
Yeah, I like this too. But, it would need to open on the latest day's post each time or it would become a real annoyance clicking through to find where you left off reading a certain thread to check on updates. Particularly if the thread has been ongoing for an age.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: FFCAli on April 17, 2014, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on April 17, 2014, 03:44:14 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on April 17, 2014, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on April 16, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
The board is great, I'm only making suggestions to try and give some constructive points - feel free to ignore them!

I, personally, would love to see more dedicated threads being organised. E.g. on other message boards I've seen them use the title as just a player's name (e.g. "Holtby") and everything about him is discussed in that one location, regardless of how old the original post was. This is done for most threads - e.g. "Felix", "Remaining Fixtures", "Kahn", "Stadium Expansion", etc, etc.

The board is often hard to read because there are so many similar and short threads, I think that it would be easier to read, and would harbour better discussion, if there were fewer, but more detailed threads.

Also, I like the match day threads (as it achieves much of what I've requested above), but it's a bit of a hassle heading over there each time; would it be possible to have a sticky link at the top of the General Discussion board to get people there faster?

I agree with this completely. Too many threads on "Here's what I think is wrong" or "my thoughts on blah blah blah". If you had a thread on pre-game discussion, post game discussion, team formation discussion, Felix discussion etc etc then it would get some more order, threads wouldn't get lost, and the board wouldn't be full of threads on the same subject that get half a dozen responses. Also you can have NFR threads like the music thread, the movie thread etc
Yeah, I like this too. But, it would need to open on the latest day's post each time or it would become a real annoyance clicking through to find where you left off reading a certain thread to check on updates. Particularly if the thread has been ongoing for an age.
Just click on "new" and it'll take you to where you left off 049:gif
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: YankeeJim on April 17, 2014, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 17, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
More moderate moderation.Stop stifling genuine debate.

This forum is far too vanilla in my opinion.

That would be a no.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Forever Fulham on April 18, 2014, 02:31:59 AM
OK, I can see how posting highlight footage on Match Day threads--footage created by third parties--can be a copyright violation.  Short 10-second culled bits could probably pass muster as Fair Use under U.S. copyright laws, but I don't know about English copyright law without researching it.  Hard to imagine the rights holder would stoop to conquer by writing a cease and desist letter to a fan forum.  But I've seen far pettier acts, so, maybe...  But if the club is filming, perhaps it would agree to send over some choice segments for its #1 fan board? 
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Holders on April 18, 2014, 07:00:07 AM
Quote from: Neil D on April 17, 2014, 01:55:16 PM
How about a British English spellchecker rather than an American English one or is that down to my technical incompetence?  If so, please illuminate me...

Hear hear!

I can understand transatlantic posters using their variants but to see obviously English people using US spellings for whatever reason (because it's "trendy" - or they just don't know when the spelling is wrong) is just weird.

I accept that eventually Microsoft's influence will have changed standard English spellings to US but it's not yet the case - officially.

It's like going to a German-speaking country and the hotel receptionist directs one in "English" to the "elevator" when the German for lift is just that - lift - and it even says that on the wall over the wretched thing!
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Deanothefulhamfan on April 18, 2014, 09:23:39 AM
Nice suggestions guys, keep them coming.... I am sure this will be discussed collectively at some point, so if you think of any other idea's please post them in this thread.

Wimbeldon white - We have set guidelines in place, and when we see a member breaking these rules we step in, I like to think of this site, as a very friendly place to post, which is welcomed by all ages, gender and ethnicity ... A place where new and old members, feel comfortable to post without the risk of being hounded or abused. We only moderate post's where we think they are breaking the rules, or causing a potential libel threat.
In your opinion it may be better if we did less moderation, but if we did than FOF would become unrecognizable to the set standards we have in place, that is why there is a clear guidelines to posting section. My argument would be that if posters followed these rules then we would not have to do so much moderating.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Shredhead on April 18, 2014, 09:36:52 AM
An easy way to get to the General Discussion forum after reading 'New replies to topics you've posted in', please.
Ta.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Burt on April 18, 2014, 09:41:40 AM
Well I think this place is appropriately moderated, and I am not biased in the slightest.





:dft011:

Seriously, there are forums for all flavours even in the Fulham family, so to Admin's point if people are expecting a site where in addition to talking about our beloved club they can swear, trade insults, be juvenile, make contentious posts, belittle others, make libellous comments, talk about the English Defence League, be mysognistic, etc. etc. then this probably isn't the place.

I've got man flu, so hopefully that came across as I intended it to. Apologies if not!
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Burt on April 18, 2014, 09:42:26 AM
Keep the comments coming...

Any thoughts around colour, look and feel as well as features and functionality?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: TonyGilroy on April 18, 2014, 09:47:35 AM

My view is that the moderators can have whatever type of board they like. I don't want to run it so I'll abide by their rules and not create waves but if they invite suggestions then surely ANY observation is fair comment whether or not suggestions are accepted.

I'd tentatively suggest that the rules on language are 50 years out of date and I speak as a 63 year old father of three daughters.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: bog on April 18, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
The final league table for the season 14/15 with us on top and Chelsea bottom....

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Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: King_Crud on April 18, 2014, 10:03:09 AM
regarding people wanting different background colours, can we have options? The dull grey one suits my viewing at work, I don't attention drawn to my screen when I on here
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Craven Mad on April 18, 2014, 10:28:06 AM
Quote from: Burt on April 18, 2014, 09:42:26 AM
Keep the comments coming...

Any thoughts around colour, look and feel as well as features and functionality?

Regarding appearance, I always like boards that have an image as the background and the discussion floated in front. Here's an example from a random forum: http://www.totalfootballforums.com/forums/forum/9-english-premier-league/ (http://www.totalfootballforums.com/forums/forum/9-english-premier-league/)

It does feel a little "Windows '95" on here with the straight lines and different shades of grey. A modernisation of the look of the board would be very appreciated! I don't know how hard it would be to do, but maybe a photo of the stadium (possibly in B&W?) with the text boxes slightly more rounded and white in front would be nice?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: fulhams_finest on April 18, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
freedom of speech?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Admin on April 18, 2014, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: fulhams_finest on April 18, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
freedom of speech?

Yes, because the aim is to allow this forum to go the exact same way as the Offal...

There are limits when it comes to freedom of speech, and I believe that we have the balance just about right on FOF. 
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: chiefo on April 18, 2014, 05:18:49 PM
]Ok my tuppence worth. How about title threads / sub headings along the lines of:

Fulham chat,

As title says, all things Fulham with sub threads
Match day ( I know its already there, just for this idea )The Tony Gale column, Motspur Park, David Stockdale, Felix, etc for example) Anything relating to said sub headings remain here.

English Premier League

World Football

Other Sports

Fulham pub section or The Green Pole Pub

Anything not related to Fulham FC, Example, Whats your favourite movie,  gif of the day, ( if you know how to load them, some are hilarious, some are frightening. Or anything you wish to start basically. Images, non too explicit of course and so on.
Not safe for work (NSFW)thread?

IT help, be it hardware or software.

Mobile phone help, such as reviews or recommendations, personal views only.

I feel if we had such sub heading this would reduce a lot of duplication. As has already been pointed out it can be frustrating to see 2 or 3 threads on the same topic.

In suggesting all the above i would imagine it would take a lot of work from the moderators to implement such a system, but like I said its only my tuppence worth.

Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: chiefo on April 18, 2014, 05:22:23 PM
Oh, and if you want to really throw the cat amongst the pigeons how about a Politics thread....? 086.gif
Title: Re: Re: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: MJG on April 18, 2014, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: chiefo on April 18, 2014, 05:18:49 PM
]Ok my tuppence worth. How about title threads / sub headings along the lines of:

Fulham chat,

As title says, all things Fulham with sub threads
Match day ( I know its already there, just for this idea )The Tony Gale column, Motspur Park, David Stockdale, Felix, etc for example) Anything relating to said sub headings remain here.

English Premier League

World Football

Other Sports

Fulham pub section or The Green Pole Pub

Anything not related to Fulham FC, Example, Whats your favourite movie,  gif of the day, ( if you know how to load them, some are hilarious, some are frightening. Or anything you wish to start basically. Images, non too explicit of course and so on.
Not safe for work (NSFW)thread?

IT help, be it hardware or software.

Mobile phone help, such as reviews or recommendations, personal views only.

I feel if we had such sub heading this would reduce a lot of duplication. As has already been pointed out it can be frustrating to see 2 or 3 threads on the same topic.

In suggesting all the above i would imagine it would take a lot of work from the moderators to implement such a system, but like I said its only my tuppence worth.
for the site to stay primarily as a forum one the the above suggestions would be the way to go.
Need to separate the different interests.

IF the idea is that this a meeting area/pub then I still think politics should be allowed...although only in its right section. Just as discussions on movies, TVs, women over forty should be in their own areas away from fulham related threads.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: bucksfulham on April 18, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
Quote from: Shredhead on April 18, 2014, 09:36:52 AM
An easy way to get to the General Discussion forum after reading 'New replies to topics you've posted in', please.
Ta.
There already is one. Click on "general discussion" in the text just below the ads at the top of the page.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Holders on April 18, 2014, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: Burt on April 18, 2014, 09:42:26 AM
Keep the comments coming...

Any thoughts around colour, look and feel as well as features and functionality?

I'm very happy with the colour, feel and layout (and the moderation, for that matter. It's certainly a nicer place than the old "Offal" used to be).

I don't think that going gaudier would improve it at all. My view.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Arthur on April 18, 2014, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on April 18, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
My view is that the moderators can have whatever type of board they like. I don't want to run it so I'll abide by their rules and not create waves but if they invite suggestions then surely ANY observation is fair comment whether or not suggestions are accepted.

Well-put. I agree.

WW's suggestion may not be popular; nor may it be a suggestion that the moderators are prepared to consider - less still implement. Yet neither the suggestion itself, nor the manner in which it was suggested, are offensive. To threaten to ban WW if he posts again regarding his suggestion is, in my opinion, heavy-handed.

In fairness, I agree that Admin can do exactly as he chooses; irrespective of the rules, it is his site. Every time, however, that this particular 'card' is played, it surely has an impact beyond the person at whom it is directed. In any society - even one as loosely-bound as this forum - it helps if those who enforce the rules have the tolerance to do so justly. (When the policeman 'duffs up' the harmless dissenter, even non-dissenters will feel a sense of uneasiness. This is, of course, a melodramatic example, but it serves to illustrate my point.)

(For this - aired without malice and as politely as I can find the words to express - I know that I, too, may receive a post similar to WW's or, indeed, a ban. Que sera sera.)
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: HatterDon on April 18, 2014, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: Holders on April 18, 2014, 07:00:07 AM
Quote from: Neil D on April 17, 2014, 01:55:16 PM
How about a British English spellchecker rather than an American English one or is that down to my technical incompetence?  If so, please illuminate me...

Hear hear!

I can understand transatlantic posters using their variants but to see obviously English people using US spellings for whatever reason (because it's "trendy" - or they just don't know when the spelling is wrong) is just weird.

I accept that eventually Microsoft's influence will have changed standard English spellings to US but it's not yet the case - officially.

It's like going to a German-speaking country and the hotel receptionist directs one in "English" to the "elevator" when the German for lift is just that - lift - and it even says that on the wall over the wretched thing!

Wait! What? English people spell words correctly?   :Get Coat gif:
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: The Rock on April 18, 2014, 06:49:45 PM
I sort of see this sort of mentioned, but what about a persistent group chat? I remember there was sort of one on match days - but what about in general for anyone that's online they can pop in the room and have a live chat? I always liked that as I don't get to a bunch of games, but know a bunch of people on here and like being in touch.
Title: Re:
Post by: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
I would love there to be a dedicated Fulham related forum and another one for everything else. Be it random chat, other teams, political or tech or whatever else. Each sub forum, could have their sticky s and go from there. I feel like I get in some people's way when I talk about other teams, players or sports, on this Fulham forum.

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Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: hovewhite on April 18, 2014, 09:36:56 PM
Think the match tickets sell,buy ,general info opic is a good idea,also a fulham image background would be nice.
Title: Re:
Post by: HatterDon on April 18, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
I would love there to be a dedicated Fulham related forum and another one for everything else. Be it random chat, other teams, political or tech or whatever else. Each sub forum, could have their sticky s and go from there. I feel like I get in some people's way when I talk about other teams, players or sports, on this Fulham forum.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

The problem with this is that so much of the cat about other players, teams is related to upcoming opponents or potential transfers, etc.
Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on April 18, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
I would love there to be a dedicated Fulham related forum and another one for everything else. Be it random chat, other teams, political or tech or whatever else. Each sub forum, could have their sticky s and go from there. I feel like I get in some people's way when I talk about other teams, players or sports, on this Fulham forum.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

The problem with this is that so much of the cat about other players, teams is related to upcoming opponents or potential transfers, etc.
Well, that would be Fulham related. I was talking more about other topics, like Android v Apple, other sports etc. Basically anything that requires NFR in the title. Transfers, teams Fulham play, players connection belong to the Fulham one, is how I see it

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Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: Logicalman on April 19, 2014, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on April 18, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
I would love there to be a dedicated Fulham related forum and another one for everything else. Be it random chat, other teams, political or tech or whatever else. Each sub forum, could have their sticky s and go from there. I feel like I get in some people's way when I talk about other teams, players or sports, on this Fulham forum.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

The problem with this is that so much of the cat about other players, teams is related to upcoming opponents or potential transfers, etc.
Well, that would be Fulham related. I was talking more about other topics, like Android v Apple, other sports etc. Basically anything that requires NFR in the title. Transfers, teams Fulham play, players connection belong to the Fulham one, is how I see it

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

That's basically what the Exiles forum is for.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Count Berbatov on April 19, 2014, 01:45:02 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on April 19, 2014, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on April 18, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
I would love there to be a dedicated Fulham related forum and another one for everything else. Be it random chat, other teams, political or tech or whatever else. Each sub forum, could have their sticky s and go from there. I feel like I get in some people's way when I talk about other teams, players or sports, on this Fulham forum.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

The problem with this is that so much of the cat about other players, teams is related to upcoming opponents or potential transfers, etc.
Well, that would be Fulham related. I was talking more about other topics, like Android v Apple, other sports etc. Basically anything that requires NFR in the title. Transfers, teams Fulham play, players connection belong to the Fulham one, is how I see it

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

That's basically what the Exiles forum is for.
Un-believable ! never noticed it before. I think, when I initially signed up and didn't know my way around, I bypassed any other but the General forum, which i subscribed for. that's where i started posting and never looked back.
...my kids are taking over this computer and i noticed the caps is not working anymore... fp.gif
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: WhiteJC on April 21, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
I've managed to add a photo as a background, this will probably be updated at some point. I've contacted someone at the club and asked if we can have permission to use one of the images they have of either the Johnny Haynes or Hammy End stands.

if any of you have photos that you've taken and consider they would be suitable please let me know
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: WhiteJC on April 21, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: WhiteJC on April 17, 2014, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: FortCollinsFulham on April 17, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
Getting rid of the "there's been X amount of new posts since blah blah" thing that comes up if you post something in a busy thread and someone else has posted.

That would be grand.

this is a standard 'feature' of the message board software, I'll see if it can be disabled

as far as I can see this is a non-editable part of the software, I've asked the folks at Simple Machines if this can be altered but I'm guessing that without upgrading to the latest release then the answer will be no. In case you wondering why we don't just upgrade there's an issue with loosing members/threads from the databases, similar to when we moved hosts, I'f I'd have known that at the time I would have upgraded when we moved, so until I can find a way to ensure that all threads will remain I won't upgrade unless we have a serious problem with the site.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: WhiteJC on April 21, 2014, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: WhiteJC on April 21, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
I've managed to add a photo as a background, this will probably be updated at some point. I've contacted someone at the club and asked if we can have permission to use one of the images they have of either the Johnny Haynes or Hammy End stands.

if any of you have photos that you've taken and consider they would be suitable please let me know

thanks to epsomraver for the photo  :Haynes The Maestro:
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Logicalman on April 21, 2014, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 19, 2014, 01:45:02 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on April 19, 2014, 01:24:39 AM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on April 18, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Count Berbatov on April 18, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
I would love there to be a dedicated Fulham related forum and another one for everything else. Be it random chat, other teams, political or tech or whatever else. Each sub forum, could have their sticky s and go from there. I feel like I get in some people's way when I talk about other teams, players or sports, on this Fulham forum.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

The problem with this is that so much of the cat about other players, teams is related to upcoming opponents or potential transfers, etc.
Well, that would be Fulham related. I was talking more about other topics, like Android v Apple, other sports etc. Basically anything that requires NFR in the title. Transfers, teams Fulham play, players connection belong to the Fulham one, is how I see it

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

That's basically what the Exiles forum is for.
Un-believable ! never noticed it before. I think, when I initially signed up and didn't know my way around, I bypassed any other but the General forum, which i subscribed for. that's where i started posting and never looked back.
...my kids are taking over this computer and i noticed the caps is not working anymore... fp.gif

Most of the members just go for the main one (this one) as its generally Fulham specific. You could hit the top link on your personalized area at the top (where it shows your name and logo) and click 'Show unread posts ...", and that should display all threads from all the FoF forums for you.   :drums:
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: SadOldGit on April 22, 2014, 03:58:13 AM
The 'original' format on the official site was good - easy to read and refer too.  At my advanced age I can't remember the name of the guy who set it up for the club.  He was a fan, not just a techie, but they pushed him out.  Anyway, THAT fomat was good, clear, good colours and user-friendly.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Burt on April 22, 2014, 09:59:23 AM
Quote from: SadOldGit on April 22, 2014, 03:58:13 AM
The 'original' format on the official site was good - easy to read and refer too.  At my advanced age I can't remember the name of the guy who set it up for the club.  He was a fan, not just a techie, but they pushed him out.  Anyway, THAT fomat was good, clear, good colours and user-friendly.

Paul Thorpe?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: FFCAli on April 22, 2014, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: WhiteJC on April 21, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: WhiteJC on April 17, 2014, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: FortCollinsFulham on April 17, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
Getting rid of the "there's been X amount of new posts since blah blah" thing that comes up if you post something in a busy thread and someone else has posted.

That would be grand.

this is a standard 'feature' of the message board software, I'll see if it can be disabled

as far as I can see this is a non-editable part of the software, I've asked the folks at Simple Machines if this can be altered but I'm guessing that without upgrading to the latest release then the answer will be no. In case you wondering why we don't just upgrade there's an issue with loosing members/threads from the databases, similar to when we moved hosts, I'f I'd have known that at the time I would have upgraded when we moved, so until I can find a way to ensure that all threads will remain I won't upgrade unless we have a serious problem with the site.
That's a shame but thanks for trying.  What's the quickest way back to the thread one was on when you get fed up and give up trying to post?  I've had this problem a couple of times (on match day threads) and it's taken me ages to find my way back.  There doesn't seem to be a way to say "forget it!"
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: The Equalizer on April 22, 2014, 03:23:48 PM
Quote from: Burt on April 22, 2014, 09:59:23 AM
Quote from: SadOldGit on April 22, 2014, 03:58:13 AM
The 'original' format on the official site was good - easy to read and refer too.  At my advanced age I can't remember the name of the guy who set it up for the club.  He was a fan, not just a techie, but they pushed him out.  Anyway, THAT fomat was good, clear, good colours and user-friendly.

Paul Thorpe?

Yup, twas Thorpey, after he knocked up the original TFI and was poached by the club.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Airfix on April 22, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
Going to shove my twopenceworth in about separating forum threads by type.  I'm not in favour (spelled correctly though FoF doesn't think so - and did you know that FoF shows as incorrectly spelled?).  I think that splitting stuff up too much means that you'd have to keep eyes on many different forum sections to keep the entertainment value.  I've stumbled across some cracking threads on here which I would have missed if they'd been in a forum section that I don't read much.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: RidgeRider on April 22, 2014, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: Arthur on April 18, 2014, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on April 18, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
My view is that the moderators can have whatever type of board they like. I don't want to run it so I'll abide by their rules and not create waves but if they invite suggestions then surely ANY observation is fair comment whether or not suggestions are accepted.

Well-put. I agree.

WW's suggestion may not be popular; nor may it be a suggestion that the moderators are prepared to consider - less still implement. Yet neither the suggestion itself, nor the manner in which it was suggested, are offensive. To threaten to ban WW if he posts again regarding his suggestion is, in my opinion, heavy-handed.

In fairness, I agree that Admin can do exactly as he chooses; irrespective of the rules, it is his site. Every time, however, that this particular 'card' is played, it surely has an impact beyond the person at whom it is directed. In any society - even one as loosely-bound as this forum - it helps if those who enforce the rules have the tolerance to do so justly. (When the policeman 'duffs up' the harmless dissenter, even non-dissenters will feel a sense of uneasiness. This is, of course, a melodramatic example, but it serves to illustrate my point.)

(For this - aired without malice and as politely as I can find the words to express - I know that I, too, may receive a post similar to WW's or, indeed, a ban. Que sera sera.)

Arthur, you make a good point about that members should be allowed to voice their opinion openly in this thread because this is what the thread was trying to invite but I think it was primality targeted at 'look and feel' and content....which I suppose cursing is, technically speaking.

Personally, I think cursing is what I did as a young man. I am 10 years younger than Mr. Gilroy and while I occasionally blurt out a curse word in anger, I would never speak that way in front of my children (he likely doesn't either), nor do I think it has a place in polite society....call me 'old-fashioned" but cursing by pure nature is lowest common denominator, aggressive and negative......it can be funny as well! When I have suggested to posters to curb their cursing habit I suggest to raise their IQ a little and come up with a more creative way to express yourself that still gets the point across.

Admin and the Mods have tried hard to make the place as fair as we can, accepting we are all prone to getting it wrong once in awhile. :) So keep the suggestions coming.....please. Our intention has always been to make this place better, friendly and fair.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: TonyGilroy on April 22, 2014, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on April 22, 2014, 04:34:54 PM
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. I am 10 years younger than Mr. Gilroy and while I occasionally blurt out a curse word in anger, I would never speak that way in front of my children (he likely doesn't either),
[/quote]

Yes I do. Frequently and them to me. Not as a curse but as emphasis which is an aspect of language that I think is widely accepted these days.

There really is no modern humour without it these days.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Logicalman on April 22, 2014, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: fulhams_finest on April 18, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
freedom of speech?

Quote from: chiefo on April 18, 2014, 05:22:23 PM
Oh, and if you want to really throw the cat amongst the pigeons how about a Politics thread....? 086.gif

Quote from: TonyGilroy on April 18, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
I'd tentatively suggest that the rules on language are 50 years out of date and I speak as a 63 year old father of three daughters.

All the suggestions above come with some merit.

I would say though that the first comes with a responsibility that most MBs find their members find difficult handle. The old offal was a perfect example of this, and I believe was one of the reasons taken down by the club (the moderators were there for login issues, rather than content). When a member exercises his/her freedom to express their opinion, rarely do they consider that what they say might be libelous towards one or more other people, and for any site to permit that content might provide an opportunity for the site itself to both become subject of a suit, as well as subject of a disclosure order for the miscreant that posted the original comment.

Concerning Political threads, there was one rule that most companies try to abide by, and that is to avoid Politics and Religion, as both have the opportunity to lead to comments as mentioned above, together with a 'lines drawn' scenario, which brings others into the affray. Both of these subject matter are divisive and often lead to locked threads (perfect example is the thread regarding Margaret Thatcher). There are many other forums out there dedicated to both the Political and Religious debates.

In respect of the rules on language, it is very difficult to come to a suitable level at which all members, or even a majority, would feel comfortable. There is leeway given to most posts, but some words are simply not permitted, as context plays a large part. I guess the generally accepted rule of thumb might be if that language was acceptable in the office or at someones house with children present. The strictest test would be if that language would be permitted in court (not during verbatim testimony of course).

If your post have been moderated for any of the above, then you should contact the Mods and ask why. The MB is there for everyone to enjoy, and that includes the Mods, who prefer to read, enjoy, and reply to threads, rather than finding a reason to have to moderate it.

So, please be patient with the Mods when they try to enforce the rules, its not only to keep some level of harmony on FoF but also to avoid any possibility of action being taken against the site or any individual members.

Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Sgt Fulham on April 22, 2014, 07:00:55 PM
I honestly think that the board is well moderated. I've never really been interested in political threads or anything like that so I can't really talk about locked threads but the one time I have been in contact with a moderator they have been friendly when explaining why my thread was locked - on most forums they don't take the time to justify their actions. One also very kindly made me my logo. Furthermore on the topic of cursing I think they do it perfectly. They let it slide in tense times or times of high emotion but don't let the place become unruly, although I really do wish that '****' was not turned to 'poo' because it looks a bit out of place. Would rather simple stars or something like that.

Like the new background a lot. One suggestion would be a side list of other sub-forums and an addition of an NFR sub-forum. This would make it more practical to separate the two but not impractical as so that users do not use this feature.

Thanks!
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: FPT on April 25, 2014, 01:33:33 AM
I hate that thing where there's a big debate on, or someone's posted a response to a big reply and it clogs up a lot.

You quote, but then you have to refind what you're were looking for.

Just to make it easier. Or maybe when you quote reply someone else's quote reply, it just takes their reply rather than their quote...

If you catch me.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: HatterDon on April 25, 2014, 01:41:08 AM
Quote from: FPT on April 25, 2014, 01:33:33 AM
I hate that thing where there's a big debate on, or someone's posted a response to a big reply and it clogs up a lot.

You quote, but then you have to refind what you're were looking for.

Just to make it easier. Or maybe when you quote reply someone else's quote reply, it just takes their reply rather than their quote...

If you catch me.

abede abede abede ... wha?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Black, White and Fred on April 25, 2014, 01:41:25 AM
A Leauge table of Addiction to the forum. You could be ranked by time logged in and then by posts for those who are interested.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: HatterDon on April 25, 2014, 03:02:28 AM
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on April 25, 2014, 01:41:25 AM
A Leauge table of Addiction to the forum. You could be ranked by time logged in and then by posts for those who are interested.

that information is already available. Look at the bottom of the forums page. It'll give some statistics and then there's a link where you can see more.

http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?action=stats (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?action=stats)


Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Burt on April 25, 2014, 07:33:45 AM
The swearing one is an interesting issue.

Swearing is part of everyday life now, as Tony points out. It's all over the place - TV, the media, everyday conversations, etc. etc. I am no angel, I swear at home, at work, socially, and particularly watching Fulham this season.

In the context of message boards such as this, I actually don't believe in swearing and like Ridgerider tend to take quite a firm line against it. Not because I am a prude (far from it) but more for the following reasons:

1. Used within posts on a forum the printed word can easily be misinterpreted, it's not the same as a conversation down the pub where you can keep track of a conversation, contribute real-time, course-correct straight away etc. and the broader context and intent can be seen.

2. Where would we draw the line as moderators? This also knocks on to what some people find acceptable may be offensive to others. So is s**t OK? What about b******s? F**k? And what about the dreaded C-bomb (no, not Chelsea, but the 4 letter one?). Far easier to ban the lot over have endless debates over why one swear word is more acceptable than another.

3. Following on from (2), there is also a fine line about swearing about things and swearing aimed at others. In my experience, you allow swearing on a forum and it is a short-cut to people ending up abusing each other and before you know it, the forum has degenerated in to a nursery.

The easiet option is to ban it. I think one of the reasons why FOF is as well regarded as it is lies partly on the ban of bad language. This helps to promote tolerance and respect, which we have a good reputation for on here. Allowing bad language would erode that.

Just my opinion. Feel free to disagree, and if the other mods want to ban me for the use of my bad langauge above then so be it  :dft011:
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: TonyGilroy on April 25, 2014, 09:05:10 AM

I wouldn't be a moderator and for that reason accept their decisions without complaint.

There is though a difference between using certain words in an abusive context and using them for humour or emphasis.

"You're a ******" is obviously different from "what a ****ing goal" and I don't think it should be difficult to tell the difference.

The C word is always unusable in polite company, the f word sometimes but s**t? Is that really unsayable?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Berserker on April 25, 2014, 01:54:58 PM
Just like to add that the Moderators moderate each other. I can sometimes forget myself and let a swear word or a political comment slip out, then get my post moderated by somebody. I'm fine with that as it's good to see that everybody gets treated equally whether they are a Mod or not.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Pluto on April 25, 2014, 02:04:55 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on April 17, 2014, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on April 16, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
The board is great, I'm only making suggestions to try and give some constructive points - feel free to ignore them!

I, personally, would love to see more dedicated threads being organised. E.g. on other message boards I've seen them use the title as just a player's name (e.g. "Holtby") and everything about him is discussed in that one location, regardless of how old the original post was. This is done for most threads - e.g. "Felix", "Remaining Fixtures", "Kahn", "Stadium Expansion", etc, etc.

The board is often hard to read because there are so many similar and short threads, I think that it would be easier to read, and would harbour better discussion, if there were fewer, but more detailed threads.

Also, I like the match day threads (as it achieves much of what I've requested above), but it's a bit of a hassle heading over there each time; would it be possible to have a sticky link at the top of the General Discussion board to get people there faster?

I agree with this completely. Too many threads on "Here's what I think is wrong" or "my thoughts on blah blah blah". If you had a thread on pre-game discussion, post game discussion, team formation discussion, Felix discussion etc etc then it would get some more order, threads wouldn't get lost, and the board wouldn't be full of threads on the same subject that get half a dozen responses. Also you can have NFR threads like the music thread, the movie thread etc

I would like to NOT see this. It constantly gets on my nerves on other boards as threads get long and complicated, posted in all the time about completely different issues regarding a player (i.e. "Did you see Riise's terrible new haircut?" and "Riise was terrible today" are two completely different issues that just so happen to be about the same player, and will attract a different audience. Furthermore, it's harder to know exactly what a threads about and if it's worth checking out. If the title is just "Riise thread" I probably wouldn't bother. If it was "Riise hands in transfer request", I probably would, since I'm interested in transfer requests but not necessarily most of the goings on with Riise....

Kind of long winded but do you see my point? I'd like to see less thread merging in general to be honest as long threads encompassing multiple topics and issues are a nightmare to navigate, and it's basically impossible to figure out what's going on. People end up talking about multiple things at once, which doesn't make for a natural conversation.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Logicalman on April 25, 2014, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: FPT on April 25, 2014, 01:33:33 AM
I hate that thing where there's a big debate on, or someone's posted a response to a big reply and it clogs up a lot.

You quote, but then you have to refind what you're were looking for.

Just to make it easier. Or maybe when you quote reply someone else's quote reply, it just takes their reply rather than their quote...

If you catch me.


I understand what you mean totally, and in general that is a good idea. The only place it might fail is where a reply (to anothers submission) can be taken out of context if the original submission is excluded.
It might be a good idea for members to try and govern this themselves, and only include the full quoted messaged where they are pertinent. I know that some people have issues with the way in which quoted messages are formed, and so it might be difficult to learn how to remove quotes, but it can be done.

Good idea nonetheless though.
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Mitroglou on April 25, 2014, 02:31:51 PM
It would be a good idea to have in a sticky form, all the sport articles referring to Fulham
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: YankeeJim on April 25, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
Lot of give and take on the swearing issue. Here's my two cents. It just isn't necessary and to me is a major sign of the Apocalypse.  LOL. We give up our language, for what purpose? When I was in the army the only adjective used by everyone was the F bomb. I realized it when I heard someone say ah f-ing f. Interesting when the adjective becomes the noun. Anyway, the purpose of the censorship on language is  because we do have some children that come aboard now and than and some of us find it classless and silly. If you don't have a decent vocabulary, work on it. Just because its accepted in movies and music doesn't mean its a benefit to society.
Current trends are like current form, temporary. Class is permanent.  092.gif
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: something_amusing on April 25, 2014, 08:33:33 PM
Quote from: Airfix on April 22, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
Going to shove my twopenceworth in about separating forum threads by type.  I'm not in favour (spelled correctly though FoF doesn't think so - and did you know that FoF shows as incorrectly spelled?).  I think that splitting stuff up too much means that you'd have to keep eyes on many different forum sections to keep the entertainment value.  I've stumbled across some cracking threads on here which I would have missed if they'd been in a forum section that I don't read much.

I agree, too many forum sections mean good threads would get lost. How about just keep it simple with nfr in the title or maybe is there a way of colour coding forums? Nfr topics would be bright red titles so they stand out?
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: HatterDon on April 25, 2014, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on April 25, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
Lot of give and take on the swearing issue. Here's my two cents. It just isn't necessary and to me is a major sign of the Apocalypse.  LOL. We give up our language, for what purpose? When I was in the army the only adjective used by everyone was the F bomb. I realized it when I heard someone say ah f-ing f. Interesting when the adjective becomes the noun. Anyway, the purpose of the censorship on language is  because we do have some children that come aboard now and than and some of us find it classless and silly. If you don't have a decent vocabulary, work on it. Just because its accepted in movies and music doesn't mean its a benefit to society.
Current trends are like current form, temporary. Class is permanent.  092.gif

Well, there's always :tom:
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: WhiteJC on April 26, 2014, 07:58:44 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on April 25, 2014, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on April 25, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
Lot of give and take on the swearing issue. Here's my two cents. It just isn't necessary and to me is a major sign of the Apocalypse.  LOL. We give up our language, for what purpose? When I was in the army the only adjective used by everyone was the F bomb. I realized it when I heard someone say ah f-ing f. Interesting when the adjective becomes the noun. Anyway, the purpose of the censorship on language is  because we do have some children that come aboard now and than and some of us find it classless and silly. If you don't have a decent vocabulary, work on it. Just because its accepted in movies and music doesn't mean its a benefit to society.
Current trends are like current form, temporary. Class is permanent.  092.gif

Well, there's always :tom:

I thought that stood for 'Whites Top Fan?'  :dft011:
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Me-ate-Live, innit?? on April 26, 2014, 09:31:31 AM
People swearing ????................................off with their friggin heads  :022:
Title: Re: What else would you like to see on FOF?
Post by: Jonaldiniho 88 on April 29, 2014, 01:36:07 AM
How about being able to view posters opening posts. Some I often agree with, some never, most in between and some I just find fascinating but if you could tap into their previous posts you would get a much better idea of what they are all about.