Since most people believe Brede should step aside for Burn does everyone feel the same about Sidwell for Tunnicliffe or David?
It seems to me everyone see's something in sidwell that I don't. It might seem like I'm contradicting myself because I want brede in the team rather than burn but I feel sidwell will cost us david or tunnicliffe's development. For me though the difference is with a good pre season I think brede will turn out to be good again and well see some of the old hangeland back. With sidwell however, he is only a year younger than brede but how can sidwell get something back that he never had?
Maybe sidwell will be ok in the championship because thats his level but I would much rather see a youngster replace sidwell rather than brede. I don't buy into this never say die attitude he has, to me that's only something a midfielder needs when he's crap. I don't see how he can change his game in the championship. Teams will still close us down, he will still lose possesion and then sprint around trying to win it back. Wouldn't you rather a player who didn't need to run around correcting his mistakes. Like murphy for example.
I guess I just don't see the big deal. Player of the year??? Why because he played every game. I would vote for richardson or dejagah. Maybe sidwell was more consistant in being 6 out of 10 every game but the other 2 improved so much and made things happen in the end. Our best two players by a mile I think. Wouldn't you rather hold onto them and buy a young replacement for sidwell rather than prolong a midfield that goes backwards, sidewards just to lose the ball. This is not a brede thread, I just wondered what people see in steve quality wise. As I don't see anything, he's better than parker by the way but so is my nan. I'd be happy to see them both go and keep stock brede richardson dejagah kasami hugo and go from there.
Whatever happens I think we need to buy a lb, rb, ball playing midfielder and a goal scorer. Plus 2 or 3 cheap squad players and bring through the younsters gradually. Woodrow and tunniclife will do well next year, I've got a feeling
Try and keep heitinga too if we can
Yes, and more.
Sidwell is a good player I would have been happy to see us keep him but I agree with you aswell we need more energy in the midfield would love to see Tunnicliffe & David given a proper chance
Its a difficult one for me. We already have Parker on contract and unless we can shift him the thought of having both of them on the books and starting on August 9th fill me with dread.
Do we give in to Sidwell and give him 2 years and in effect have a 34/31 year on 100k a week between them for next two years? All that will do is waste money and block any route to cm for the younger players. We need energy and pace in the middle, not the Parker-Sidwell pairing.
I think why Sidwell shone last season was because he was one of the few players who fought hard to stop our demise, and gave a damn about us getting relegated. He did this every game, all through every match, and there were few other players in our squad like that last year.
he really isnt. frustrates the hell out of me. I like the guy, but he has so little football brain. He had a great period under HUghes, and when he had that brief partnership with karagounis under jol last season. otherwise hes been bang average, and just shows how weak our midfield had been
Good luck to Steve Sidwell, he did a job for us and is probably still capable of something similar in the Premier League. Certainly if he hadn't notched a totally uncharacteristic 7 goals for us last season we would have been in real trouble (oh yes...sorry...I forgot for a moment).
Problem with players like him is that he is only just good enough and needs to be at his 100% best at all times or else he becomes a liability. More talented players can have the occasional off day and still have some impact, the Steve Sidwells of this world need to be right on top of their game at all times. This, of course, is impossible and becomes more so with advancing years. There are many players in this category, we have had lots over the years, Dickson Etuhu springs immediately to my mind, but there are plenty of others.
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I can't believe people agree with me lol. I thought he was everyone's favourite player.
Totally agree about him having to play at 100percent just to get by. I used to have a big problem with etuhu for the same reason but when I look at sidwell I think at least etuhu knew his role and had a purpose to shield the defense even if he wasnt that great. What is steve sidwell? 7 goals is his most prolific season so he's not a reliable consistant goalscoring midfielder. He isn't disciplined enougg to do etuhus role of protecting the back 4 and he certainly doesn't have enough of a brain to be a playmaker.
So what is he? When a player is 31 and I still don't know what exactly they are suggests he is the master of nothing and bang average at the things he can do. His attitude is worth more than both his feet put together.
Quote from: MJG on May 24, 2014, 09:52:25 AM
Its a difficult one for me. We already have Parker on contract and unless we can shift him the thought of having both of them on the books and starting on August 9th fill me with dread.
Do we give in to Sidwell and give him 2 years and in effect have a 34/31 year on 100k a week between them for next two years? All that will do is waste money and block any route to cm for the younger players. We need energy and pace in the middle, not the Parker-Sidwell pairing.
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Sidwell stood out as most of the rest were so poor. As you say I would also dread the Parker/Sidwell combo.
Sidwell on Twitter: Until I've spoken to a Fulham official I can not comment. But what I can say is that I'm humbled and touched from all your messages. #COYW
Quote from: Zu-Meister on May 24, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
Sidwell on Twitter: Until I've spoken to a Fulham official I can not comment. But what I can say is that I'm humbled and touched from all your messages. #COYW
I have nothing personal against him and this thread isn't designed to be nasty towards him. He tried his best and cared more than most which I appreciate, if I met him I would shake his hand and thank him for his service to fulham.
But the fact is he isn't very good and now he's out of contract I think the club would be silly to keep him. This is a good time to let him go.
People have over rated him though, he would be closer to simon elliott than he would murphy when I look back at his time at fulham. Like someone said most players at our club have made him seem better than he is
He was our best player last season, but thats not saying much. There was no standout performances or anything that cant be replicated by a younger, fitter person. Obviously his experience would be great, but barring a miracle we wil still be stuck with Scott Parker next season. Hes got bags of experience but none of the ability, last time we had wise old central midfielders like that we had Etuhu and Murphy, they both went to Blackburn in the championship and got destroyed.
Fresh ideas is what we need, not more of the same basic nonsense that got us relegated, not that sidewell gave us rubbish but we can not resort to Sidwell Parker partnership.
Sidwells been part of a team with no confidence, losing mentality, giving it no leadership or composure, and that cant be turned around in one summer.
But Sidwell WAS our best player. Just because we were awful doesn't mean we should try and make it sound as if that means nothing. There aren't many Sidwells around. Few with the quality that is so easily dismissed and even less with his positive effect. Parker is staying at the moment and that scares me far more.
Brede is staying and needs to be free for injury and a hundred per cent better than he was last season to mean something to us. So before we dismiss Sidwell I would point out that so far we have nobody who has his guts or his quality left in our squad. Please don't think any of the youngsters can fill his boots.
Right now we are poorer for letting him go.
See if we can palm Parker off onto Harry now QPR are up and offer Sidwell 2 years to play alonside some of the younger players
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 24, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
But Sidwell WAS our best player. Just because we were awful doesn't mean we should try and make it sound as if that means nothing. There aren't many Sidwells around. Few with the quality that is so easily dismissed and even less with his positive effect. Parker is staying at the moment and that scares me far more.
Brede is staying and needs to be free for injury and a hundred per cent better than he was last season to mean something to us. So before we dismiss Sidwell I would point out that so far we have nobody who has his guts or his quality left in our squad. Please don't think any of the youngsters can fill his boots.
Right now we are poorer for letting him go.
I disagree, I think him going makes us stronger. It means the club have recognised sidwell isn't the answer which also means a younger more productive player will be brought in. If no one is brought in david or tunnicliffe will get a chance. The difference between sidwell and brede is if brede is fit he will be one of if not the best defender in the league and will get us promoted with the right team around him where as burn will make us mid table. Sidwell will not get us promoted. He is a top half championship player at best.
If we play sidwell rather than tunnicliffe or david we will finish mid table, sidwell will be a year older, tunniclife will not of developed and david will have gone. Even if tunniclife or david dont get us up first time the following year they will be stronger which makes us stronger.
And no one has his quality? David showed more intelligence and quality in half a game than sidwell showed all season. Sidwells guts and fight to me is a result of him always losing possesion and chasing the game. Good players show guts when its needed and quality for the most part. When a player shows guts for 90mins every game it is because they are crap. His attitude will get him a relegation bound prem club not his quality, his fighting spirit wont be needed in a relegation push though.
Also for a 31 year old he shows no experience, makes too.many mistakes and is incapable of seeing out a tight win. We need experienced players who know how to win to blend with the kids
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on May 24, 2014, 05:43:51 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 24, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
But Sidwell WAS our best player. Just because we were awful doesn't mean we should try and make it sound as if that means nothing. There aren't many Sidwells around. Few with the quality that is so easily dismissed and even less with his positive effect. Parker is staying at the moment and that scares me far more.
Brede is staying and needs to be free for injury and a hundred per cent better than he was last season to mean something to us. So before we dismiss Sidwell I would point out that so far we have nobody who has his guts or his quality left in our squad. Please don't think any of the youngsters can fill his boots.
Right now we are poorer for letting him go.
I disagree, I think him going makes us stronger. It means the club have recognised sidwell isn't the answer which also means a younger more productive player will be brought in. If no one is brought in david or tunnicliffe will get a chance. The difference between sidwell and brede is if brede is fit he will be one of if not the best defender in the league and will get us promoted with the right team around him where as burn will make us mid table. Sidwell will not get us promoted. He is a top half championship player at best.
If we play sidwell rather than tunnicliffe or david we will finish mid table, sidwell will be a year older, tunniclife will not of developed and david will have gone. Even if tunniclife or david dont get us up first time the following year they will be stronger which makes us stronger.
And no one has his quality? David showed more intelligence and quality in half a game than sidwell showed all season. Sidwells guts and fight to me is a result of him always losing possesion and chasing the game. Good players show guts when its needed and quality for the most part. When a player shows guts for 90mins every game it is because they are crap. His attitude will get him a relegation bound prem club not his quality, his fighting spirit wont be needed in a relegation push though.
Also for a 31 year old he shows no experience, makes too.many mistakes and is incapable of seeing out a tight win. We need experienced players who know how to win to blend with the kids
I meant a promotion push not a relegation push
I am far from convinced that Tunnicliffe or David can be the answer to anything. But I have not watched enough of them to tell. The last flash of the season does not a player prove. As I am sure a saying somewhere says.
However allowing these sort of players to find a few seasons in the Championship to see if they improve may be fine.
I do wish other players were as crap as Sidwell and showed guts for 90 minutes. It just saddens me that we are so willing to dismiss a player who was our best player.
I didn't want Sidwell and Parker in the same team. I didn't want Sidwell in a premiership team, and I can't make up my mind about the championship.
He always gives 110%, but fundamentally he is not comfortable enough on the ball to be more than a bench player for me.
He deserved his starting place this year as all the alternatives were just really really bad!!
Best player? I dont get it. He was the only to play in all 38 games. We conceded the second most.goals ever and most of them were late in the game which cost points. The midfield general and allegedly a captain in the making should.of been driving the team through till the end, instead.he sat deeper and deeper giving away possesion all the time. The captain doesnt necessarily shout and point all the time, .they.lead by example and sidwell doesnt do that because hes not good enough. A leader wouldnt sit deep and let the opposition put you under relentless pressure. There were no leaders in our team.
So theres two ways of looking.at this
1 sidwell played every game under every.manager.so he.must be brilliant or
2 due to injuries, a 36 year old greek, boateng and having no choice sidwell played and is.more responsible for all the points we threw away then he is for the wons we earned thanks to his goals. Richardson or dejagah were our best players. Sidwell being injury free doesnt mean he automatically should be the best.
Every team needs a Sidwell he drives on the other players , leads by example .
I love Brede but when Steve was skipper we had a never say die attitude .
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Hard to blame Sidwell for the goals conceded yet you want to give Brede loyalty when he was part of our central defence.
But I take your points. It is an interesting debate and makes for a lively disscussion. Fact is Sidders is gone so it really doesn't matter and I wait and hope to see a stronger replacement.
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 24, 2014, 09:50:08 PM
dannyboi-ffc
Hard to blame Sidwell for the goals conceded yet you want to give Brede loyalty when he was part of our central defence.
But I take your points. It is an interesting debate and makes for a lively disscussion. Fact is Sidders is gone so it really doesn't matter and I wait and hope to see a stronger replacement.
Every football fan needs sentimemt towards a couple of players who represent who the club are. I am guilty of not being able to fault brede because of what he has done for us but at the same time believe he is more than capable of being good next year. Brede missed alot of games last year like losing 6-0 to hull, 4-1 to sunderland, 3-0 to west ham, 4-0 to liverpool. Many other games he.missed too so he isnt responsible for alot of it. Sidwell played in all the games we got battered and whether is was wearing the arm band or not I didnt see him leading by example in them games.
This thread was started before he had left so its a bit pointless now but I just feel every relegation battle needs a sidwell, not a promotion chasing team.
