Who is the 20 goal a season striker that Magath is going to sign that will get us out of the division?
Don't get me wrong, after watching Woodrow tonight, he reminds me of a young Teddy Sheringham, great hold up play, good footballing brain, strong, good in the air, but not very quick and again, won't get you more than 10 goals a season. However, he will be ideal to play upfront with a prolific striker.
Rodders certainly won't get you 10 goals a season, neither will Trotter, so a proven striker has to be top of our list, wouldn't you agree?
deeny Watford done it for a couple of season
O'grady Barnsley scored in a poor side
Adam Le Fond... oh wait
Won't matter how many we score if we can't stop the other team. A top drawer striker would be nice. It would be even nicer if that was either the Greek money bags or young Woodrow. We could have Suarez and with this back line be mid table in the Championship.
If they can't score, they can't beat you.
When is the last time Fulham had a 20 goal STRIKER? You can't count Dempsey, since he was a midfielder/goal poacher. We didn't come close to a 20 goal striker in our three highest finishing seasons; why is one so important now?
Quote from: HatterDon on May 29, 2014, 06:45:09 AM
When is the last time Fulham had a 20 goal STRIKER? You can't count Dempsey, since he was a midfielder/goal poacher. We didn't come close to a 20 goal striker in our three highest finishing seasons; why is one so important now?
Well this season just finished all the promoted teams had a striker who scored around 20 goals (OK Austin scored 19 ). And Burnley and Leicester had another 15 + (or 20 in Leicester's case) striker to support the other.
We are still in May and you are already moaning about lack of signings!
Seriously some of you really need to get out more and see the real world fp.gif
Quote from: JBH on May 29, 2014, 07:51:09 AM
We are still in May and you are already moaning about lack of signings!
Seriously some of you really need to get out more and see the real world fp.gif
I wasn't moaning about lack of signings, I'd rather we took it slow and got the right people, I was saying that in the window we need to sign a striker.
Do you know when it shuts?
Quote from: HatterDon on May 29, 2014, 06:45:09 AM
When is the last time Fulham had a 20 goal STRIKER? You can't count Dempsey, since he was a midfielder/goal poacher. We didn't come close to a 20 goal striker in our three highest finishing seasons; why is one so important now?
Ha!!! that
was the Premiership
In the promotion campaign of 2000–01 Saha scored 27, Boa scored 18 and Harry Bales ....well Barry was a beast
Quote from: Admin on May 28, 2014, 11:36:40 PM
Who is the 20 goal a season striker that Magath is going to sign that will get us out of the division?
Don't get me wrong, after watching Woodrow tonight, he reminds me of a young Teddy Sheringham, great hold up play, good footballing brain, strong, good in the air, but not very quick and again, won't get you more than 10 goals a season. However, he will be ideal to play upfront with a prolific striker.
Rodders certainly won't get you 10 goals a season, neither will Trotter, so a proven striker has to be top of our list, wouldn't you agree?
Glad to see someone else sees it I've been posting for the last 18 months that Woodrow is our own Sherringham, But I believe he will get you 10-12 goals a season and create/set up at least as many again
Stevie May...St Johnstone....will score goals in Championship with proper service.
Derby and Blackburn in for him, lets beat them to it.
Same type as Mickey Conroy but better than him (sorry Mickey).
Quote from: Admin on May 28, 2014, 11:36:40 PM
Who is the 20 goal a season striker that Magath is going to sign that will get us out of the division?
Don't get me wrong, after watching Woodrow tonight, he reminds me of a young Teddy Sheringham, great hold up play, good footballing brain, strong, good in the air, but not very quick and again, won't get you more than 10 goals a season. However, he will be ideal to play upfront with a prolific striker.
Rodders certainly won't get you 10 goals a season, neither will Trotter, so a proven striker has to be top of our list, wouldn't you agree?
I agree to some extent with what you are saying but to be honest we have no idea whatsoever how many goals any of those players may or may not get, cannot really say they won't get the goals but i guess we can say they probably won't, i like to retain a little bit of hope.
Quote from: PeterFFC on May 29, 2014, 07:58:40 AM
Quote from: JBH on May 29, 2014, 07:51:09 AM
We are still in May and you are already moaning about lack of signings!
Seriously some of you really need to get out more and see the real world fp.gif
I wasn't moaning about lack of signings, I'd rather we took it slow and got the right people, I was saying that in the window we need to sign a striker.
Do you know when it shuts?
August 31st so there is plenty of time
Who's to say Cauley can't get a good haul next year? What I like about him is he is pretty clinical in front of goal, but knows how to link-play too. Seems a nice chap too. I'd be happy to see him starting next year.
Also, I think you're also forgetting our other options. Dembele up top, Roberts centrally, Chris David at CAM/CF, and even (you never know) Tankovic if we can convince him to sign (suggestion is that we're trying). We may not need to sign a new striker..
Personally, if you want a name for a CF to sign, I'd love to see Rhodes - I know he'll be ridiculously expensive, but he is the one (somewhat realistic) striker I would take unreservedly; if Kahn wants to give us the best chance of promotion, he should be the priority.
However, I don't think strikers are an area we should focus on, I think we are most lacking across the the back line. For me, defenders are the priority. We shipped too many goals last year. An LB, RB and CB are top priorities for me, followed by a distributing CM, then a CF.
Quote from: Admin on May 28, 2014, 11:36:40 PM
Who is the 20 goal a season striker that Magath is going to sign that will get us out of the division?
Don't get me wrong, after watching Woodrow tonight, he reminds me of a young Teddy Sheringham, great hold up play, good footballing brain, strong, good in the air, but not very quick and again, won't get you more than 10 goals a season. However, he will be ideal to play upfront with a prolific striker.
Rodders certainly won't get you 10 goals a season, neither will Trotter, so a proven striker has to be top of our list, wouldn't you agree?
Been saying this a lot recently. We need two strikers who will get 45 goals between them. I dont see any of the young guys being that prolific at the moment. They may all get near 10 and Hugo might get 15, but when you look at this list its clear you need two really.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/e7hyc9.jpg)
Your notice from that list that the top two while scoring a lot, were for teams who failed to even get into the playoffs. Thats why you need two so that the workload can be shared and when one is injured you have another already playing.
I found some stats that over 60% of the lineups in the championship this season played with 2 up top. its 30% in the prem.
You don't know that none of our current strikers will be prolific in the Championship, or even that Mitroglou will definitely leave.
Quote from: RaySmith on May 29, 2014, 09:47:49 AM
You don't know that none of our current strikers will be prolific in the Championship, or even that Mitroglou will definitely leave.
But history tells you that Hugo is not the most prolific of scorers, but I do think he will be a very useful player in the championship. Woodrow and Dembele are still young and learning,but are either of them going to get 20 goals based on the fact that as youngsters they are not going to play every game. Woodrow has a chance if he keeps playing as he is to be the one who plays most games, but I suspect they will be as the deeper striker. Trotta is a goalscorer and a more natural one than Woodrow I would say (not saying he's better or worse, just he is an out and out goalscorer).
Mitroglou should be able to score plenty at this level, given that the Greek league is proberbly championship at best.
So out of those guys if they all stay, I still think we need to get another main goalscorer, Thats why I will keep banging on about Rhodes till we cant get him.
Dembele, Woodrow and David. There are enough goals in them to win us the Championship.
Quote from: RaySmith on May 29, 2014, 09:47:49 AM
You don't know that none of our current strikers will be prolific in the Championship, or even that Mitroglou will definitely leave.
:plus one:
You should stop posting common sense on here. It spoils some people's fun!
Quote from: cmg on May 29, 2014, 10:29:16 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on May 29, 2014, 09:47:49 AM
You don't know that none of our current strikers will be prolific in the Championship, or even that Mitroglou will definitely leave.
:plus one:
You should stop posting common sense on here. It spoils some people's fun!
I don't know that's common sense. I don't know anything really. So it could be. But based on the scoring ratio of the players mentioned and the fact the Greek is a myth then I think it is pretty fair assumption that we need another striker.
The list I posted showed the top 11 strikers in the championship.
lets look at the ages of our younger players:
Woodrow 19
David 21
Dembele 17
Trotta 21
Now as much as I want them to play and help us get promoted the age of the top 11 championship striker on average last was was: 25.36
McCormack 27
Rhodes 24
Deeney 25
Grabban 26
Martin 25
Ings 21
Nugent 29
Vokes 24
Austin 24
Bryson 27
Vardy 27
I think this shows a very good argument that we can not be relying on those youngsters to push us to promotion on their own.
I have decided in the past week or so that Jordan Rhodes is the ONLY answer and I intend to ride this particular train into oblivion like the Adu folks used to.
Rhodes in.
Quote from: Aaron on May 29, 2014, 12:02:44 PM
I have decided in the past week or so that Jordan Rhodes is the ONLY answer and I intend to ride this particular train into oblivion like the Adu folks used to.
Rhodes in.
100%.
Rhodes is the only player - that we could reasonably get - that I would bet on bagging 20+ goals for us. He offers something different from what we have, knows the league, and is still young.
Rhodes, Lansbury, Creswell and Lascelles. All players that'd carry us our of the Championship and would serve us well in the Prem. Investing in young quality is expensive, but pays dividends - look at Southampton.
Wouldn't mind McCormack either - and we've been linked with him too.
A lot of questions to be answered in the next couple of months:-
1. Is Costa Packet leaving.
2. Is Costa Packet going to be fit enough for a Championship season.
3. Are we going to play two up top or just a lone striker.
4. Is Dembele ready for the Championship.
5. Is Woodrow ready for the Championship (surely the answer is yes)
6. Will we agree to let Brentford have Trotta.
7. How many strikers can we afford to keep (pay) on a Championship budget.
Quote from: HatterDon on May 29, 2014, 06:45:09 AM
When is the last time Fulham had a 20 goal STRIKER? You can't count Dempsey, since he was a midfielder/goal poacher. We didn't come close to a 20 goal striker in our three highest finishing seasons; why is one so important now?
Andy Cole.
Quote from: MJG on May 29, 2014, 10:40:24 AM
The list I posted showed the top 11 strikers in the championship.
lets look at the ages of our younger players:
Woodrow 19
David 21
Dembele 17
Trotta 21
Now as much as I want them to play and help us get promoted the age of the top 11 championship striker on average last was was: 25.36
McCormack 27
Rhodes 24
Deeney 25
Grabban 26
Martin 25
Ings 21
Nugent 29
Vokes 24
Austin 24
Bryson 27
Vardy 27
I think this shows a very good argument that we can not be relying on those youngsters to push us to promotion on their own.
If they're good enuf, they're old enuf.
Not sure they are good enough. Not yet anyway.
Quote from: blingo on May 29, 2014, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 29, 2014, 10:40:24 AM
The list I posted showed the top 11 strikers in the championship.
lets look at the ages of our younger players:
Woodrow 19
David 21
Dembele 17
Trotta 21
Now as much as I want them to play and help us get promoted the age of the top 11 championship striker on average last was was: 25.36
McCormack 27
Rhodes 24
Deeney 25
Grabban 26
Martin 25
Ings 21
Nugent 29
Vokes 24
Austin 24
Bryson 27
Vardy 27
I think this shows a very good argument that we can not be relying on those youngsters to push us to promotion on their own.
If they're good enuf, they're old enuf.
i dont dispute that anywhere, and I for one have always pushed for the younger players to get a chance. But looking at that list its stands out that apart from Ings and Nugent they are all mid 20's.
I just feel whats required to get out of the championship is at least 2 strikers supplemented by these lads.
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 29, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Aaron on May 29, 2014, 12:02:44 PM
I have decided in the past week or so that Jordan Rhodes is the ONLY answer and I intend to ride this particular train into oblivion like the Adu folks used to.
Rhodes in.
100%.
Rhodes is the only player - that we could reasonably get - that I would bet on bagging 20+ goals for us. He offers something different from what we have, knows the league, and is still young.
Rhodes, Lansbury, Creswell and Lascelles. All players that'd carry us our of the Championship and would serve us well in the Prem. Investing in young quality is expensive, but pays dividends - look at Southampton.
so we spend upwards of £12m in what will likely be a full cash upfront deal to bring Rhodes in. Why not instead keeping Mitro,who I think will score plenty next year, who we bought on very advantageous terms signing him on a 4 year contract. If he wants to leave then he needs to do it on the pitch to attract top clubs so win win.
Woodrow feeding Rhodes, with Dembele' being used as an option wouldn't be a bad front line.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on May 29, 2014, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 29, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Aaron on May 29, 2014, 12:02:44 PM
I have decided in the past week or so that Jordan Rhodes is the ONLY answer and I intend to ride this particular train into oblivion like the Adu folks used to.
Rhodes in.
100%.
Rhodes is the only player - that we could reasonably get - that I would bet on bagging 20+ goals for us. He offers something different from what we have, knows the league, and is still young.
Rhodes, Lansbury, Creswell and Lascelles. All players that'd carry us our of the Championship and would serve us well in the Prem. Investing in young quality is expensive, but pays dividends - look at Southampton.
so we spend upwards of £12m in what will likely be a full cash upfront deal to bring Rhodes in. Why not instead keeping Mitro,who I think will score plenty next year, who we bought on very advantageous terms signing him on a 4 year contract. If he wants to leave then he needs to do it on the pitch to attract top clubs so win win.
I'd argue we need both
Quote from: MasterHaynes on May 29, 2014, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 29, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: Aaron on May 29, 2014, 12:02:44 PM
I have decided in the past week or so that Jordan Rhodes is the ONLY answer and I intend to ride this particular train into oblivion like the Adu folks used to.
Rhodes in.
100%.
Rhodes is the only player - that we could reasonably get - that I would bet on bagging 20+ goals for us. He offers something different from what we have, knows the league, and is still young.
Rhodes, Lansbury, Creswell and Lascelles. All players that'd carry us our of the Championship and would serve us well in the Prem. Investing in young quality is expensive, but pays dividends - look at Southampton.
so we spend upwards of £12m in what will likely be a full cash upfront deal to bring Rhodes in. Why not instead keeping Mitro,who I think will score plenty next year, who we bought on very advantageous terms signing him on a 4 year contract. If he wants to leave then he needs to do it on the pitch to attract top clubs so win win.
I never actually said I wanted rid of Kostas, only that I wanted Rhodes.
But, playing along.. Because - if, as you suggest, it were close enough to a straight swap - we'd swap a 26 year old with a history of injury and only proven in Greece, for a 24 year old who's proven in the Championship. We'd also be getting more pace whilst also weakening a league competitor.
Don't get me wrong though, in an ideal world we'd have both (and realistically, come August we'll have neither!).
The key to this is ensuring they get service, although from what I've seen (only on TV and streams)
they all seem capable of also creating their own opportunites + setting up others.
And there's Roberts who can do both as well.
Jordan Rhodes would cost over 10 million and we want be paying that sort
of money in Championship.
I think he signed a new contract not long ago and said he is very happy at Blackburn
and would like to go up with them.
He want be coming here.
Its highly unlikely we are ever going to sign Jordan Rhodes (Although if it was down to me I'd have been trying to sign him as soon as the season ended) but I'm quite surprised at people's hesitation on wanting him. Even if a large fee was required.
he has scored 51 goals in 89 league games for Blackburn in the championship. They paid £8M for him in the championship and ok he has a contract for another 3 years, but that does not mean he's off limits to us.
Blackburn have just put a load of players (Etuhu is one of them, halfway through a 4 year contract) on the transfer list to try and save wages. They are still owned by the chicken farmers and the parachute money is running out, they have gates of 15K and as I saw yesterday some very low season ticket costs.
I'd say a cash bid of between 8-12 would secure a proven goalscorer at this level and at only 24 years of age he has loads of sell on value. Even if we only used him for a season (and got promotion) and then sold back to a newly relegated club we would have made money in one way.
Everyone has their views on players and the wish to see the youngsters, but I would see this as a zero gamble on the clubs part. of course knowing us we would sign him and then fail to hit a barn door from 5 yards.
