http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/june/03/hangeland-departs (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/june/03/hangeland-departs)
Tuesday 3 June 2014 18:00
Fulham Football Club has today announced that it has released Brede Hangeland.
The 32-year-old joined the Whites in January 2008 as Roy Hodgson's first signing and made an instant impact, helping the Club achieve Premier League survival in the season which became known as 'The Great Escape'.
Hangeland went on to make 272 appearances for Fulham, including turning out 16 times on our memorable run to the 2010 UEFA Europa League Final.
The Club would like to thank Brede for his six-and-a-half years of committed service and wishes him the very best in all of his future endeavours.
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Best of luck Brede.
Just seen on the website....wasn't expecting that.
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/june/03/hangeland-departs (http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2014/june/03/hangeland-departs)
We've released Brede ! Are we shocked or not ?
Thanks Brede you done us proud until last season when you were appaulling!
Oh that hurts, but I guess its for the best. Thanks for the memories Brede, you will always be a Fulham favorite and were solid during our Europa run as well as being a great down to earth bloke off the pitch. Good luck wherever you go!
Um shocked that he has been released....doesn't he have time on his contract remaining or do you think there was a relegation break clause or something?
Not surprising after the season he just had.
Expected better from the club than a 6 line thank you
I wonder if Brede asked for it because of his back problems?
Real shame.
Love the man, even though he's past his best. Would have liked him to stay, but hopefully this means we have a replacement lined up.
Gutted ! Brede you will always be a legend all the best for the future.
Wow that's a bit of a shock. Where has he gone?
Ouch... Not had a good season, but a real shame nonetheless.
Is that the last of the Hodgson gang to go?
He was great for us, apart from last season, when to be honest he really wasn't that good.
But remember the good times. He will always be a Fulham Great!!!!
So the first choice centre back pairing at the moment is Burn and Amorebietta
Hes disappeared off the player profiles, yet the likes of Duff, Sidwell, Etheridge et al are still there?
Who does everyone think the new captain will be? Im guessing Parker but perhaps not.
Quote from: PeterFFC on June 03, 2014, 06:16:55 PM
Real shame.
Love the man, even though he's past his best. Would have liked him to stay, but hopefully this means we have a replacement lined up.
Rio Ferdinand. ..lol
Quote from: aaronmcguigan on June 03, 2014, 06:14:31 PM
Expected better from the club than a 6 line thank you
Maybe the news has leaked and they thought that they should put something up quickly. I imagine, as with Duff, that there will be a photo album up in the next couple of days.
This is hard to believe, he was so good for so long and he really was a class defender.
Also it is surprising that Hughes and Hangeland, who performed so well as partners should eave within a season of each other.
I wonder where Hangeland will go, it would hurt if he joined Hughes at the Bush.
Really sad about this. A fit Hangeland would still have been a force for us. I will never forget this true legend. One of our all time greats.
it affected someone much more than others on the fulham Facebook page . I cant find the comment now but it was on the lines of '' wtf he is our best defender . Magath is and is going to ruin us . division 3 football here we come '' 064.gif
Players come, players go. He WAS good a few seasons ago. Last season he was awful. No woner we went down. Always grateful we signed him, but it is best that he went!
A bit depressing when you think about it. Hopefully this means we have bigger things lined up.
Speculation will be rife:
Have the club released him from his contract him in recognition of his service?
Is his back "issue" a touch more serious than any of us are aware of?
Is this latest dodgy decision by Felix?
Thank you Brede, magnificent servant and the last of Roy's boys.
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 03, 2014, 06:19:17 PM
Ouch... Not had a good season, but a real shame nonetheless.
Is that the last of the Hodgson gang to go?
Stockdale is the only one left
Maybe just maybe it is his choice and nothing to do with Magath.
This is not the news I wanted to see. Top bloke, top player, really cared about Fulham.
We've debated how good or bad his last season was and what it meant going forward for the last 2 months.
But anyone who hasn't read the Telegraph article with him should probably do so;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/fulham/10622939/Fulham-defender-Brede-Hangeland-Im-just-an-ordinary-guy-who-happens-to-play-football.html
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The move to release him now strikes me as odd for a few reasons.
Why not mention it a week or so ago, when most of the contract/released player news was going around?
Why give him only the smallest of segments in a leaving article?
It wouldn't surprise me if there was some rift between Felix and Brede - not that I'm suggesting there is, only that I wouldn't be shocked to learn about it.
Anyway, he will be sorely missed. The last of Roy's boys departed now I believe.. :012:
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Quote from: grandad on June 03, 2014, 06:28:15 PM
Really sad about this. A fit Hangeland would still have been a force for us. I will never forget this true legend. One of our all time greats.
Agree but unfortunately he was reallt poor last season so I am not surprised the club have released him
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 03, 2014, 06:28:15 PM
Really sad about this. A fit Hangeland would still have been a force for us. I will never forget this true legend. One of our all time greats.
Agree but unfortunately he was reallt poor last season so I am not surprised the club have released him
Or prehaps brede asked the club to release him so he can try his luck in another country!
Not everything is the clubs fault!
I really don't understand this.
If there was a clause allowing him to leave if we were relegated, or if he was on absurdly high wages, then fair enough. But it just strikes me as odd to allow the captain and, historically, one of our better players, walk away from his contract for free. Particularly when we're so short in defence - only Burn/Amore CBs left.
If this was Felix's decision it'll rank up there with Burn at RB on the crazy-scale..
QPR written all over this
Quote from: alfie on June 03, 2014, 06:40:00 PM
Maybe just maybe it is his choice and nothing to do with Magath.
+1
Heart is gutted because of the memories and what a great player he was but head knows its time and isn't too unhappy.
Best of luck Brede.
Quote from: simplyfulham on June 03, 2014, 06:40:20 PM
This is not the news I wanted to see. Top bloke, top player, really cared about Fulham.
We've debated how good or bad his last season was and what it meant going forward for the last 2 months.
But anyone who hasn't read the Telegraph article with him should probably do so;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/fulham/10622939/Fulham-defender-Brede-Hangeland-Im-just-an-ordinary-guy-who-happens-to-play-football.html
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The move to release him now strikes me as odd for a few reasons.
Why not mention it a week or so ago, when most of the contract/released player news was going around?
Why give him only the smallest of segments in a leaving article?
It wouldn't surprise me if there was some rift between Felix and Brede - not that I'm suggesting there is, only that I wouldn't be shocked to learn about it.
Anyway, he will be sorely missed. The last of Roy's boys departed now I believe.. :012:
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perhaps someone wanted to give Brede a "thank you" of his own? a bit like when someone scores a hat-trick is subbed so that they can get a standing ovation?
anyhow, thanks Brede you've been a wonderful servant for our club and a great Captain, all the best for whatever you do next 065.gif
So he wouldn't take a pay cut then.
Very big surprise. Really like the guy as he was great for the club overall. Will be very curious to see who takes over as captain. Agree the club should have done better on his release note.
We keep releasing yet we still haven't added. Would be nice to see something coming in.
Wish him all the best
not surprised he must have been earning quite a bit and he is not the player he was
means Burn must be the future
Looks like Felix means business..........................Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein .................Nein Nein Nein Nein
and Nein !!!
Nein! is that our new starting XI?
WOW! I am shocked, this is the end of an era. There's no more members of the Europa Cup Final squad at the club. I was an advocate for him being dropped in favour of Burn but this is still a shock. I hope Burn makes the most of his chance.
Sad to see him.leave. biggest surprise is he has been released which would have been done with hos agreement because I don't believe we paid him up for the remaining year.
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 03, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
I really don't understand this.
If there was a clause allowing him to leave if we were relegated, or if he was on absurdly high wages, then fair enough. But it just strikes me as odd to allow the captain and, historically, one of our better players, walk away from his contract for free. Particularly when we're so short in defence - only Burn/Amore CBs left.
If this was Felix's decision it'll rank up there with Burn at RB on the crazy-scale..
Historically sums it up he was awful last year as both player and captain 065.gif
Quote from: rusty shackleford on June 03, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
QPR written all over this
Hangeland-Hughes centre back partnership?
As sad as it is it's for the best. Releasing both Heitinga and Hangeland is a huge vote of confidence in Dan Burn and our youth set-up in general.
Since we don't know the details we can only speculate, but it would not shock me if he wanted to go to play first division football elsewhere, or if Fulham balked at his wages. Either way, we should have all expected to see departures, some surprising and/or sad due to relegation. Brede is one of my personal favorites and I wish he were staying.
I don't think he should have been Captain again if he stayed, sad he is going though. Maybe he is going back to Norway
Got loads of great memories that include Brede. Wonderful servant to the club. And I believe he always considered the club as much as himself.
I do believe that it is time to move on and work to renew the club roster and that really doesn't require knowing who decided to leave whom.
Onward and hopefully upward.
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 03, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
I really don't understand this.
If there was a clause allowing him to leave if we were relegated, or if he was on absurdly high wages, then fair enough. But it just strikes me as odd to allow the captain and, historically, one of our better players, walk away from his contract for free. Particularly when we're so short in defence - only Burn/Amore CBs left.
If this was Felix's decision it'll rank up there with Burn at RB on the crazy-scale..
Historically sums it up he was awful last year as both player and captain 065.gif
Statistically we were significantly better with him than without. That's not saying he was good, but considering how short we are at CB, seems strange to let him go.
Quote from: alexbishop on June 03, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
Um shocked that he has been released....doesn't he have time on his contract remaining or do you think there was a relegation break clause or something?
Had 1 year left apparently and was willing to honour it!!! so god knows what happened.
he's gone, we move on. if someone had said lets sign him people would be pulling there hair out saying he's over 30 and his best years are behind him, but we let him go and its a terrible decision. to me its a tad sad but also a tad happy he's been playing poor and I don't think he a good leader on the pitch.
I expect its Brede wanting to move on and the club giving him a free to make it easier for him after his years of service and get him off the wage bill asap, we prob forgot to put a relegation clause in his last contract as we were doing ok.
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 03, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
I really don't understand this.
If there was a clause allowing him to leave if we were relegated, or if he was on absurdly high wages, then fair enough. But it just strikes me as odd to allow the captain and, historically, one of our better players, walk away from his contract for free. Particularly when we're so short in defence - only Burn/Amore CBs left.
If this was Felix's decision it'll rank up there with Burn at RB on the crazy-scale..
Historically sums it up he was awful last year as both player and captain 065.gif
Yeah lets slag off one of the best centre backs we have had for years and someone who really liked the club and playing for it fp.gif fp.gif
Quote from: Nero on June 03, 2014, 07:30:03 PM
he's gone, we move on. if someone had said lets sign him people would be pulling there hair out saying he's over 30 and his best years are behind him, but we let him go and its a terrible decision. to me its a tad sad but also a tad happy he's been playing poor and I don't think he a good leader on the pitch.
I expect its Brede wanting to move on and the club giving him a free to make it easier for him after his years of service and get him off the wage bill asap, we prob forgot to put a relegation clause in his last contract as we were doing ok.
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Quote from: epsomraver on June 03, 2014, 07:35:47 PM
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 03, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
I really don't understand this.
If there was a clause allowing him to leave if we were relegated, or if he was on absurdly high wages, then fair enough. But it just strikes me as odd to allow the captain and, historically, one of our better players, walk away from his contract for free. Particularly when we're so short in defence - only Burn/Amore CBs left.
If this was Felix's decision it'll rank up there with Burn at RB on the crazy-scale..
Historically sums it up he was awful last year as both player and captain 065.gif
Yeah lets slag off one of the best centre backs we have had for years and someone who really liked the club and playing for it fp.gif fp.gif
but to be fair , he was awfull last year and everyone knows he was a poor captain. Not vocal in the slightest
A truly great player. IMO a legend. Thanks for the memories Brede I think he still as a couple of years left as speedy he never was but in the right defence he would still be good. Wherever that is Great by me. So I wonder what the clubs overall plan is now. It looks like Burn in the middle but who else I wonder
Hangeland has been awesome for us but last season it was clear he was past his best.Thanks for everything Brede,good luck for the future.
Quote from: Andy S on June 03, 2014, 07:38:21 PM
A truly great player. IMO a legend. Thanks for the memories Brede I think he still as a couple of years left as speedy he never was but in the right defence he would still be good. Wherever that is Great by me. So I wonder what the clubs overall plan is now. It looks like Burn in the middle but who else I wonder
Good player...Keep the word Great for the true Greats
of the game, and Brede isnt and never was one of them.
A modern-day Fulham legend. He may have struggled badly last season but he's been fantastic for us, absolutely fantastic.
My Theory: I think a club has come in for him - most probably abroad - and instead of the club having to pay-out loyalty bonuses etc to receive a minimal fee, all parties have simply agreed to end the contract at no cost.
I would think it's obvious that Burn is pretty much going to be first-choice having been so good for Birmingham and I'd imagine we'll sign another centre back so there's competition for Amorebieta.
Goodbye Brede, you are a true Fulham legend.
sad to see him go he had 5 great years with us, the last 18 months not so good. I work for a Norwegian company based in Stavanger and I have been told by some colleagues there that some reports suggest he asked to be released as not to jeopardise his international status
Quote from: westcliff white on June 03, 2014, 07:47:29 PM
sad to see him go he had 5 great years with us, the last 18 months not so good. I work for a Norwegian company based in Stavanger and I have been told by some colleagues there that some reports suggest he asked to be released as not to jeopardise his international status
Good point
At his best a wonderful player for us and a great example of a real pro. However anyone who saw him struggle his way through last season surely knew that the writing was on the wall for him as a player and to be honest he was never the most vocal or inspirational of captains. Let's just thank him for the marvellous time he has had with Fulham and wish him all the very best for the future. He won't be forgotten.
Great shame considering the kind of man he is and how much he seemed to care for the club. However, based on the season gone by (and arguably a bit before that) I can't say I'm too shocked he's going. It was this or him being benched. Unfortunately, he's just not what he was.
Am I the only one who feels this is followed by Sidwell being offered a 2 year contract and club captain to make him stay. Only a guess obviously but a good ambassador for the club and a leader on the pitch. Thoughts?
Quote from: epsomraver on June 03, 2014, 07:35:47 PM
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on June 03, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
I really don't understand this.
If there was a clause allowing him to leave if we were relegated, or if he was on absurdly high wages, then fair enough. But it just strikes me as odd to allow the captain and, historically, one of our better players, walk away from his contract for free. Particularly when we're so short in defence - only Burn/Amore CBs left.
If this was Felix's decision it'll rank up there with Burn at RB on the crazy-scale..
Historically sums it up he was awful last year as both player and captain 065.gif
Not slagging him off just saying last season he was terrible so stop being so precious and move on
Yeah lets slag off one of the best centre backs we have had for years and someone who really liked the club and playing for it fp.gif fp.gif
Norwegian media is reporting that he got notified about the cancellation of his contract through an E-mail.....
Source:
http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708 (http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708)
in norwegian though
Quote from: Fulham33 on June 03, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
Am I the only one who feels this is followed by Sidwell being offered a 2 year contract and club captain to make him stay. Only a guess obviously but a good ambassador for the club and a leader on the pitch. Thoughts?
where is the sidwell news on the offer?
Wish him all the best a true Fulham legend, great Escape Europa run couple of important headers in early rounds. Take on board last season not his best,but who had a good season last year ? Not many.
Would have thought he would have been good in Championship and we could have re grouped under his leadership.
Are we confident in Magoos knowledge of championship football or even English football , will he still be here in 6 months ? after the farce of lAst season.
Think we are in for a year of major transistion.
Quote from: jonasr91 on June 03, 2014, 08:12:13 PM
Norwegian media is reporting that he got notified about the cancellation of his contract through an E-mail.....
Source:
http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708 (http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708)
in norwegian though
This is how my browser translates it. It doesn't sound good at all:
Bergen (TV 2 Sport): Fulham writes on its website that the club today has released Brede Hangeland (32) from his contract with the club.
It was particularly surprising stop the rock, which is currently on holiday in the Indian Ocean.
- Today I received news that Fulham Football Club has chosen to terminate my contract with the club with immediate effect. I was told of the decision by e-mail, without anyone from the club met with me beforehand to discuss my contract or future with the club. After 6.5 years of loyalty and hard work, the last few years as captain, I am immensely disappointed in how this is handled, says Brede Hangeland via his adviser Jon Morland.
- I would like to thank the amazing Fulham fans as I have been spending the best years of my football career. I have worn the white jersey with pride at Craven Cottage. I feel I still have much left to give as a footballer, and look forward to the next chapter in my career, continuing a 32-year-old.
Quote from: Fulham33 on June 03, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
Am I the only one who feels this is followed by Sidwell being offered a 2 year contract and club captain to make him stay. Only a guess obviously but a good ambassador for the club and a leader on the pitch. Thoughts?
Hope not
Quote from: cmg on June 03, 2014, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: jonasr91 on June 03, 2014, 08:12:13 PM
Norwegian media is reporting that he got notified about the cancellation of his contract through an E-mail.....
Source:
http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708 (http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708)
in norwegian though
This is how my browser translates it. It doesn't sound good at all:
Bergen (TV 2 Sport): Fulham writes on its website that the club today has released Brede Hangeland (32) from his contract with the club.
It was particularly surprising stop the rock, which is currently on holiday in the Indian Ocean.
- Today I received news that Fulham Football Club has chosen to terminate my contract with the club with immediate effect. I was told of the decision by e-mail, without anyone from the club met with me beforehand to discuss my contract or future with the club. After 6.5 years of loyalty and hard work, the last few years as captain, I am immensely disappointed in how this is handled, says Brede Hangeland via his adviser Jon Morland.
- I would like to thank the amazing Fulham fans as I have been spending the best years of my football career. I have worn the white jersey with pride at Craven Cottage. I feel I still have much left to give as a footballer, and look forward to the next chapter in my career, continuing a 32-year-old.
If that's true, it's a complete disgrace. Another example of the powers that be at our club completely mishandling things. Hangeland was a fantastic player for us and a great captain. He deserves more respect than that.
Wow... Didn't see that one coming.
Sure, he had a poor 2013/2014 season but don't forget the underlying reason was injury (sciatica) rather than ability.
Feels like the end of an era now. And whilst I didn't rate him as an on-the-pitch leader there is no questioning his contributions over the years. Immense.
Sad day.
Good luck Brede...
Also disappoints by the brevity of the clubs announcement, he deserved so much more than that.
And, if the reports re firing by email are correct, then that is an appalling way to treat such a loyal servant.
Sad to see him go and hes definitely a legend but I think this is the right decision. If we`re going to have a clear out and build a new team then we might as well actually do it. No point keeping hold of a 33 year old who has been in poor form if we can get rid.
My theory is hes never fully recovered from the back problem that put him out at the start of the season. When he came back he just didnt seem to move/run as freely.
Its all in a Norwegian newspaper. Im just shocked by the way this club threats its players.
Here is the quote from Hangeland translated to english
"Today i recived the news that Fulham Football club has decided to terminate my contract with immediate effect.
I got the message by e-mail without any warning or meetings with the club about my contract or my future with the club.
After 6 and a half years loyal and hard work for the club im very disappointed how this was handled.
I would like to thank the Fulham fans for sharing the best years of my footballing carrier with me.
I have worn the white shirt with pride at Craven Cottage."
The whole article can be read in the link belove (it is in Norwegian though).
http://www.vg.no/sport/premier-league/fikk-sjokkbeskjeden-fra-fulham-paa-e-post/a/10131815/ (http://www.vg.no/sport/premier-league/fikk-sjokkbeskjeden-fra-fulham-paa-e-post/a/10131815/)
Really have no words to say about this, just disgusting.
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
Quote from: cmg on June 03, 2014, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: jonasr91 on June 03, 2014, 08:12:13 PM
Norwegian media is reporting that he got notified about the cancellation of his contract through an E-mail.....
Source:
http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708 (http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708)
in norwegian though
This is how my browser translates it. It doesn't sound good at all:
Bergen (TV 2 Sport): Fulham writes on its website that the club today has released Brede Hangeland (32) from his contract with the club.
It was particularly surprising stop the rock, which is currently on holiday in the Indian Ocean.
- Today I received news that Fulham Football Club has chosen to terminate my contract with the club with immediate effect. I was told of the decision by e-mail, without anyone from the club met with me beforehand to discuss my contract or future with the club. After 6.5 years of loyalty and hard work, the last few years as captain, I am immensely disappointed in how this is handled, says Brede Hangeland via his adviser Jon Morland.
- I would like to thank the amazing Fulham fans as I have been spending the best years of my football career. I have worn the white jersey with pride at Craven Cottage. I feel I still have much left to give as a footballer, and look forward to the next chapter in my career, continuing a 32-year-old.
Disgraceful.
We're a bigger joke than the Jacksonville Jaguars.
If sending Hangeland an e-mail cancelling his contract is anything to do with Mackintosh I will hate that bloke even more. Absolute disgrace not even speaking to Brede face to face.
The atmosphere at the club stinks at the moment - there are a lot of unhappy employees - this is typical of the new regime - plenty more players to be upset yet - a lot of them have had to shorten their booked holidays - not looking good for next season - yes I do know this for a fact - anyway it's fun the Championship isn't it ?
The way the club is run at the moment, there is no way we are going back up.
If hes on holiday or out the country then its fair enough not doing it face to face. But a phone call would have been a much more tactful option.
Quote from: Yarden on June 03, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Yarden on June 03, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
:plus one: Well summarised JBH
Quote from: Southcoastffc on June 03, 2014, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Yarden on June 03, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
:plus one: Well summarised JBH
agree
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Yarden on June 03, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
You've nailed it there squire. Well said.
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Yarden on June 03, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
All very true but still a terrible way to treat staff.
The club don't speak to the fans so we'll never know what really happens behind the scenes but from the outside, we look like a terribly run club these days. The last 12 months has been the perfect example of what not to do.
The bottom line is that you are correct and Hangeland probably was superfluous ....................but the way it was done and the atmosphere at the club is not good at the moment - how the hell is Magath going to motivate whoever is left ??
Absolute joke. How hard would it of been to at least call him in for a meeting
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Quote from: Rudolph on June 03, 2014, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Yarden on June 03, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
You've nailed it there squire. Well said.
This thread is about the disgraceful way Fulham FC has handled this matter - Brede has been a great ambassador for the club and deserved more respect, and better treatment than this ......
Whatever one thinks of the decision to release Brede, i really think he deserves rather more consideration than a cursory email after his contribution to the club in the last six years.
Quote from: Baszab on June 03, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
The atmosphere at the club stinks at the moment - there are a lot of unhappy employees - this is typical of the new regime - plenty more players to be upset yet - a lot of them have had to shorten their booked holidays - not looking good for next season - yes I do know this for a fact - anyway it's fun the Championship isn't it ?
yep it will be a lot more fun in the championship, unless your one of those deemed surplus to requirements. thankfully us fans cant get sacked, so we will just get to enjoy the football
Quote from: BishopsParkFantastic on June 03, 2014, 09:09:58 PM
Quote from: Rudolph on June 03, 2014, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Yarden on June 03, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
You've nailed it there squire. Well said.
This thread is about the disgraceful way Fulham FC has behaved towards Brede - a player who has been a great ambassador for the club
But the reality is you don't KNOW what happened, only what APPEARS to have happened according to one source.
Perhaps we might get to find out what went on behind the scenes.
For the last few seasons my club, and it is as much my club as it is every fan that has ever been to the Cottage. Or every fan who has listened to the results from afar, worried sick what they were listening to. For the last few seasons my club has been run poorly. Short sighted decisions which had only one real outcome. Now we hear, if true, that our captain has been treated poorly and shoddily. Not because he is released. Some of us will be sad but agree with the decision. But in the way it was done.
This is not the Fulham I love or supported through the dark days. But a Fulham who continue to do things in a short sighted and petty way. Come on Fulham for goodness sake. Brede was a big part of our past. He deserves more respect than this.
Absolutely disgraceful way to treat people.
Why are so many posters queuing up to analyze the football reasons for jettisoning Hangeland?
This is about it the way it was done at is crystal clear if you can be bothered to read a few sentences of English.
Wake up and I suggest you all wise up too as the wheels are coming off.
I find it hard to believe that the club has behaved like this-what is happening to the club we love?
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Quote from: jonasr91 on June 03, 2014, 08:12:13 PM
Norwegian media is reporting that he got notified about the cancellation of his contract through an E-mail.....
Source:
http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708 (http://www.tv2.no/2014/06/03/sport/fulham/5664708)
in norwegian though
This is how my browser translates it. It doesn't sound good at all:
Bergen (TV 2 Sport): Fulham writes on its website that the club today has released Brede Hangeland (32) from his contract with the club.
It was particularly surprising stop the rock, which is currently on holiday in the Indian Ocean.
- Today I received news that Fulham Football Club has chosen to terminate my contract with the club with immediate effect. I was told of the decision by e-mail, without anyone from the club met with me beforehand to discuss my contract or future with the club. After 6.5 years of loyalty and hard work, the last few years as captain, I am immensely disappointed in how this is handled, says Brede Hangeland via his adviser Jon Morland.
- I would like to thank the amazing Fulham fans as I have been spending the best years of my football career. I have worn the white jersey with pride at Craven Cottage. I feel I still have much left to give as a footballer, and look forward to the next chapter in my career, continuing a 32-year-old.
If that's true, it's a complete disgrace. Another example of the powers that be at our club completely mishandling things. Hangeland was a fantastic player for us and a great captain. He deserves more respect than that.
Didn't even afford him the courtesy of a Banner Headline.
Instead it's World Cup A-Z this and A-Z that and for the last weeks it's been:
Scotland v Nigeria and Italy v Ireland.
Get your rip off nostalgic red shirt and football thingy.
I heard a rumour that next week 2 of the 4 home page headlines are devoted to
"An A-Z of Grandchildren (under 4) of the Turnstile and Programme Sellers who like brussel sprouts"
The treatment of Brede is the sort of thing that makes me wish I didn't love this club so much.
Unfortunately I do.
To sack Brede by e/mail is an awful way to treat an employee .
He was loyal to us when bigger clubs came sniffing and we repay him like this it stinks .
How can we as fans expect loyalty from players if we the supporters condone this treatment ?
More importantly how can management expect loyalty ?
How will we attract good people if they see this sort of treatment being handed out to one of the most loyal servants our club has seen in years ?
FTID but a bit of my enthusiasm has just been torn away .
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Quote from: Finnegans Wake on June 03, 2014, 08:55:03 PM
If hes on holiday or out the country then its fair enough not doing it face to face. But a phone call would have been a much more tactful option.
Or wait until he gets back and face him like a man.
What you've said below is the truth and nothing but the truth but it is not the whole truth. Sacking someone by email? That's appalling at the best of times but your captain? No. Fulham used to be better than this but we're becoming as low class as Chelsea.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
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I said on another post, this is the sort of behaviour that makes me wish I didn't love the club so much.
What is happening is that we now have an owner who is absent and (seems) not to care mixed with an absolute brute of a man-manager and a useless chief officer/CEO desperate to keep his job after numerous stupid decisions
Makes me fear for the future.
It is the new FFC way I'm afraid - and it's going on every day - What is happening is that we now have an owner who is absent and (seems) not to care mixed with an absolute brute of a man-manager and a useless chief officer/CEO desperate to keep his job after numerous stupid decisions
As I've said before, why is whoever is responsible for this mess still in a job?
Perhaps it's because Sahid Kahn and Mark Lamping (his Anheuser-Busch marketing executive/Fulham Board of Director who knows absolutely nothing about football) are the ones who are actually responsible.
This summer is gonna be like ripping off a plaster. But we seem to be putting more on before we start ripping them off.
After the circus and calamity of a season we have had to suffer I believe most fulham fans handled the situation well and the powers that be got off very mildly. But this is the last straw. I will never able to slag off chelsea, qpr or any other club for the way they are run ever again. We are just as bad.
I have never been ashamed of fulham in my life until today. Khan, ali mac and magath are not welcome at our club as they clearly don't know what our club is about. Brede hangeland will go down in history as one of the greatest players this club has ever had.
If this is a statement from magath that he is the boss I would like to remind him what happened to mclaren when he dropped a fans icon in beckham for england. Regardless of whether we go up or down I will only be happy if the club changes its ways. We are fulham...... and so was brede
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 03, 2014, 09:44:26 PM
After the circus and calamity of a season we have had to suffer I believe most fulham fans handled the situation well and the powers that be got off very mildly. But this is the last straw. I will never able to slag off chelsea, qpr or any other club for the way they are run ever again. We are just as bad.
I have never been ashamed of fulham in my life until today. Khan, ali mac and magath are not welcome at our club as they clearly don't know what our club is about. Brede hangeland will go down in history as one of the greatest players this club has ever had.
If this is a statement from magath that he is the boss I would like to remind him what happened to mclaren when he dropped a fans icon in beckham for england. Regardless of whether we go up or down I will only be happy if the club changes its ways. We are fulham...... and so was brede
+100.....if true....this is disgraceful..and shows a lack of respect/class...and that is just not acceptable...
okay do we really think the club can just rip up his contract without speaking to him, im sure someone who knows employment law can verify this. He might have had a clause in his contract that let him leave if relegated and informed the club he wished to do this and the club have simply actioned the request before he found himself another club to stop paying his wages whilst he is sunny himself on holiday and also making us more appealing to any centre back we are looking at think will get a game they already have 3 centre back there.
People seem to want to paint the club in a poor light because we where relegated but forget who got us relegated the players. He was an employee if you want to feel sorry for people feel sorry for the one that lost the jobs due to redundancy and who haven't been on 30-60k for the last 5 years
It's a sad way to bring the curtain down on his time with Fulham. Brede has been one of the best players of the modern era for us.
He goes with our thanks, fond memories and best wishes for the future.
Well no surprise really - is it?
But the way it was handled....
Where are all the Felix lovers now?
Poor Rene - far too gentle & considerate
Seems we get rid of anyone who can have blame laid @ their door - from the tea lady to the captain
Of course the more senior people @ the club aren't willing to fall on their sword so this is the new way
The "Khan do" und ze Felix way
There is of course a master plan being delivered - but to what end exactly?
Brutal, merciless, a real change in the club that we loved & used to be - for so many years
So different from all the others (or so it seemed) which is part of what made us
Kinda makes you proud NOT - the way this is being delivered
Where will it end?
Dumped in the Thames or hugely successful in the Championship this coming season?
How would the latter make us feel - truly?
There's a smell building around the Cottage - & it ain't pleasant
Will it waft away?
you cant just sack people now days, he may have had an email but his agent may well have said to t he club he wants to leave and had a clause in his contract. We don't know what was n the email to Brede dont think it said dear brede you contract has been terminate fore with
Nero - you're probably right on Hangeland but there are other employees facing future problems as well
If true Gutless management Khan Mackintosh Magarth should hang their heads in shame.
im pretty sure you can just rip up a contract as ive said on another thread Brede agent may have well been in contact with the club. We do not know what has gone on between the parties involved, lets be sensible the club cant just tear up his contract without his knowledge or agreement unless it gross misconduct. Lets not assume that Brede knew nothing about it which people seem to be thinking
In all honesty FFC are doing what they think is right for the club. Not the best way to do it but done it is and Brede should be paid well and then there will be no shortage of clubs offering him a two year contract. Good luck Brede
Quote from: JBH on June 03, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Yarden on June 03, 2014, 08:46:25 PM
And yes i know there is a Hangeland thread already, but people need to see this.
He has been released we don't know why but you have to remember the following
He was well paid for his time at Fulham
He played well for the club for 5 year
He was extremely injury prone last season and was extremely poor for the team
He was one of the reasons we were relegated
The club have released him for reasons only they know
He has gone and I say thank you Brede
We now have to look to the future and Brede was not in the new managers plans
This is not complaining about him being released. Its complaining about the way its been done.
You dont do that to a player thats been with us for almost 7 years, been loyal and given his all.
Its not a question if hes good enough or not to stay with us.
They decide to release him, fine, but you just dont handle it like this.
Thats my point.
This is a club I have loved since 1957. I have seen us play in all divisions, the Intertoto, the Eufa and Europa leagues. There are very few grounds in England that I have not visited. The current situation makes me feel I can no longer support a club in such degenerate turmoil. It was obvious 2 years ago that things were going wrong. This is when I and my wife gave up our season tickets. Even when not attending games we continued to support Fulham but it has now got to the stage where servants such as Hangeland are treated like s***e I can no longer take Fulham seriously as a club. It is with profound sorrow that I now feel unable to continue my allegiance.
From the official twitter a minute ago...
Fulham Football ClubVerified account
@FulhamFC
The Club would like to clarify that all personal protocol was followed and that Brede Hangeland was notified in the right way.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 03, 2014, 09:16:51 PM
For the last few seasons my club, and it is as much my club as it is every fan that has ever been to the Cottage. Or every fan who has listened to the results from afar, worried sick what they were listening to. For the last few seasons my club has been run poorly. Short sighted decisions which had only one real outcome. Now we hear, if true, that our captain has been treated poorly and shoddily. Not because he is released. Some of us will be sad but agree with the decision. But in the way it was done.
This is not the Fulham I love or supported through the dark days. But a Fulham who continue to do things in a short sighted and petty way. Come on Fulham for goodness sake. Brede was a big part of our past. He deserves more respect than this.
This! You said it alot better than me.
Quote from: The Enclosurite on June 03, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
From the official twitter a minute ago...
Fulham Football ClubVerified account
@FulhamFC
The Club would like to clarify that all personal protocol was followed and that Brede Hangeland was notified in the right way.
damn, i had a picture in my head of brede opening an email with a pop up of ann robinson saying brede you are the weakest link good bye.
Club have announced Brede terminated due to him not committing to FFC
What next???
oh look another side to the story shock horror
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Quote from: The Enclosurite on June 03, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
From the official twitter a minute ago...
Fulham Football ClubVerified account
@FulhamFC
The Club would like to clarify that all personal protocol was followed and that Brede Hangeland was notified in the right way.
damn, i had a picture in my head of brede opening an email with a pop up of ann robinson saying brede you are the weakest link good bye.
That is the right way isn't it
Someone must be reading all our drivel and taking note
Quote from: The Enclosurite on June 03, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
From the official twitter a minute ago...
Fulham Football ClubVerified account
@FulhamFC
The Club would like to clarify that all personal protocol was followed and that Brede Hangeland was notified in the right way.
They must read these forums!
Horrible way to treat someone, I would think Hangeland would agree to reduce hes wages because he seemed so loyal to the club, and the way he reacts is geniuine I think....
Thank you Brede for all your work, I wish you the very best in your future!!
The man is a legend, and the club's treatment of him truly is shoddy. Hangeland is not past his prime; he is turning 33. It was painfully obvious that he was playing hurt the entire season. Anyone who has ever had nerve damage in the back knows how debilitating it is. It not only causes pain, it weakens the legs. Yet he never complained, never used it as an excuse, but soldiered on. It pained me to see him criticized on this board; many players would have just cashed their checks. He has far more class than those running the club.
The club would save themselves a load of stick if they simply spoke to the fans! Why couldn't they have said this right from the start? Communication with the fans is a joke at Fulham these days.
So, he didn't want to agree to a deduction in wages then, which, from what I hear, was written in his contract if we were relegated, meaning that the club had every right to terminate his contract. Obviously, Bredes loyalty came down to money, not the club.
Fernhurst I think this story is coming from Twatter ..........a poster called The Fulham Roofer emailed Mac to express his concerns about a team of kids.
Mac's reply is in the mele (!!!) below
click on this link
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@PNWROOFING IS THIS SERIOUS HE SAID THAT BREDE AINT COMMITTED AND THAT BASICALLY MEANS SIDWELL WERENT EITHER WTF
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@PNWROOFING @ffc_steve load of rubbish. He's not committed to ffc #AliMacOut
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@PNWROOFING Lost for words.
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@PNWROOFING was your email specifically about Brede? He told me himself a couple of weeks ago he wanted to bring us back up #commitment
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@efp23 no, just my concern at the possibility of just relying on the youngsters alone & that it's a dangerous direction to take
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@PNWROOFING wise words!
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 03, 2014, 10:31:58 PM
The club would save themselves a load of stick if they simply spoke to the fans! Why couldn't they have said this right from the start? Communication with the fans is a joke at Fulham these days.
Perhaps the club didn't want to paint Brede in a bad light but as he has starting throwing crap they have thrown some back and not surprising see the amount of crap that has been posted about them on here. People always think the worse about the club
Quote from: The Enclosurite on June 03, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
From the official twitter a minute ago...
Fulham Football ClubVerified account
@FulhamFC
The Club would like to clarify that all personal protocol was followed and that Brede Hangeland was notified in the right way.
If the "right way" was to send him an email, then I would have hoped that the club I've spent my life (and a lot of money over the years) supporting - a "friendly" club - would start doing things the 'wrong', old-fashioned way again. This is appalling, and not the club I've always known.
Quote from: Nero on June 03, 2014, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 03, 2014, 10:31:58 PM
The club would save themselves a load of stick if they simply spoke to the fans! Why couldn't they have said this right from the start? Communication with the fans is a joke at Fulham these days.
Perhaps the club didn't want to paint Brede in a bad light but as he has starting throwing crap they have thrown some back and not surprising see the amount of crap that has been posted about them on here. People always think the worse about the club
Maybe, but generally we are absolutely crap at communicating with the fans.
At present the only accountability FFC have is that to the owner, his wallet has taken a proper hammering. Sadly for us fans we rarely get the full story.
Looks to me like we're going to have a totally new team this season. Very few of the class of 13/14 will survive the cull. Possibly not a bad thing considering how poor we've been.
Quote from: SadOldGit on June 03, 2014, 10:38:57 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on June 03, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
From the official twitter a minute ago...
Fulham Football ClubVerified account
@FulhamFC
The Club would like to clarify that all personal protocol was followed and that Brede Hangeland was notified in the right way.
If the "right way" was to send him an email, then I would have hoped that the club I've spent my life (and a lot of money over the years) supporting - a "friendly" club - would start doing things the 'wrong', old-fashioned way again. This is appalling, and not the club I've always known.
The last couple of months, maybe last year proves that there truly is something weird going on behind the scenes at Fulham imo.....
Quote from: Bedford White on June 03, 2014, 10:41:22 PM
At present the only accountability FFC have is that to the owner, his wallet has taken a proper hammering. Sadly for us fans we rarely get the full story.
Looks to me like we're going to have a totally new team this season. Very few of the class of 13/14 will survive the cull. Possibly not a bad thing considering how poor we've been.
Looks that way but judging by the number of changes to the squad, we're going to need about 18 months for the players to gel!
So I asked this on twitter
Does anyone really believe the first Hangeland heard that fulham fc were releasing him was by an email today? Honestly do you believe that?
I think all parties knew we were releasing him. Club have confirmed by email and Brede/agent have had a go at the management and at the same time hurt the club.
The CEO has said by email to others and to myself that the correct procedures were followed and that there is no truth in the Email being the first he had heard of it. You believe who you want I suspect depending on what camp you wish to be in.
Quote from: MJG on June 03, 2014, 10:51:13 PM
So I asked this on twitter
Does anyone really believe the first Hangeland heard that fulham fc were releasing him was by an email today? Honestly do you believe that?
I think all parties knew we were releasing him. Club have confirmed by email and Brede/agent have had a go at the management and at the same time hurt the club.
The CEO has said by email to others and to myself that the correct procedures were followed and that there is no truth in the Email being the first he had heard of it. You believe who you want I suspect depending on what camp you wish to be in.
I would rather Believe Brede, not because I am Norwegian but because hes loyalty through hes time at Fulham, and because of hes personality, thats why I believe him more than a CEO of some system, I have seen similar situations like this in many buisinesses I have worked in or not, but the CEO NEVER had the 100% trouth statet in those situation.
Mac's emails on twitter and the statement are cagey and spartan in their content. That says more than enough to me.
Quote from: WayneKerrins on June 03, 2014, 11:05:24 PM
Mac's emails on twitter and the statement are cagey and spartan in their content. That says more than enough to me.
All it says is that they had to react at 10 O'clock at night
there is also a 'reply' to Brede in the Daily Mail ........................i'm now with the club on this one
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2647741/Brede-Hangeland-axed-email-Crystal-Palace-express-ex-Fulham-man.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2647741/Brede-Hangeland-axed-email-Crystal-Palace-express-ex-Fulham-man.html)
2 + 2 has always equalled 5 in the world of sports journalism.
Quote from: Nero on June 03, 2014, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 03, 2014, 10:31:58 PM
The club would save themselves a load of stick if they simply spoke to the fans! Why couldn't they have said this right from the start? Communication with the fans is a joke at Fulham these days.
Perhaps the club didn't want to paint Brede in a bad light but as he has starting throwing crap they have thrown some back and not surprising see the amount of crap that has been posted about them on here. People always think the worse about the club
So it's all "crap" then?
In fa me, in fa me, they've all got in in fa me!
A good servant to the club, good luck Brede!!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GXL9Az6-Kd8
Maybe this was just marketing guff and not so relevant anymore!!
Don't forget guys that it was noted that he was playing a lot of last season through injury. I think it's extremely unfair to critique him for it - he clearly cared about the club and loved playing for us - he stuck by us through thick and thin, even when Arsenal came knocking and I think it's an atrocious way to treat him - an email... after 6 and a half years... All those incredible nights - keeping us up in the league when he came in, helping us to goals against top teams, creating that partnership with Hughes, seemingly loving the club in a way few do, he was a great role model on the pitch and off the pitch and I can imagine to the many staff within the club.
A concern I have is what precedence this shows our younger players who have been brought up through the system - to have a guy we have heralded at the club, who's been loyal to us through thick and thin and we kick him out on his arse just like that... Even if he struggled last season (with injuries) he would've done a solid job for us in the championship... the fact he got games whilst being injured in the premiership just shows how bad our other options are.
I think it must have been very cloak and dagger by the club though - for his player profile to be already taken down when Duffers, Heitinga's and even Holtby and Bent's profiles are still up on the clubs site. Can imagine it's caused quite the upset.
As for the precedent moving forward - I fear we're losing our soul as a club - to give so little (an email and six lines and ten photos) to a man who was devoted to our club shows a huge lack of empathy and care and is not only disrespectful to the player but to all those who know how much of a contribution he's made to the club.
I'm deeply shocked and disappointed with the way this club is seemingly going since Shahid has taken over at the club and we're seemingly severing ties with all that has once been good about the club for... what? Not to mention the managerial merry go round which saw the club relegated and seen as the no hope team in the league which you can't even say we're trying to our friends... I fear all is not right at the club - for Wigley, Hangeland, various members of the board leaving.
SOO MUCH HARD WORK.. getting dismantled so quickly. This year could be make or break for us - Shahid will have a lot to answer for if it gets even worse.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 03, 2014, 09:16:51 PM
For the last few seasons my club, and it is as much my club as it is every fan that has ever been to the Cottage. Or every fan who has listened to the results from afar, worried sick what they were listening to. For the last few seasons my club has been run poorly. Short sighted decisions which had only one real outcome. Now we hear, if true, that our captain has been treated poorly and shoddily. Not because he is released. Some of us will be sad but agree with the decision. But in the way it was done.
This is not the Fulham I love or supported through the dark days. But a Fulham who continue to do things in a short sighted and petty way. Come on Fulham for goodness sake. Brede was a big part of our past. He deserves more respect than this.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 03, 2014, 09:16:51 PM
For the last few seasons my club, and it is as much my club as it is every fan that has ever been to the Cottage. Or every fan who has listened to the results from afar, worried sick what they were listening to. For the last few seasons my club has been run poorly. Short sighted decisions which had only one real outcome. Now we hear, if true, that our captain has been treated poorly and shoddily. Not because he is released. Some of us will be sad but agree with the decision. But in the way it was done.
This is not the Fulham I love or supported through the dark days. But a Fulham who continue to do things in a short sighted and petty way. Come on Fulham for goodness sake. Brede was a big part of our past. He deserves more respect than this.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 03, 2014, 09:16:51 PM
For the last few seasons my club, and it is as much my club as it is every fan that has ever been to the Cottage. Or every fan who has listened to the results from afar, worried sick what they were listening to. For the last few seasons my club has been run poorly. Short sighted decisions which had only one real outcome. Now we hear, if true, that our captain has been treated poorly and shoddily. Not because he is released. Some of us will be sad but agree with the decision. But in the way it was done.
This is not the Fulham I love or supported through the dark days. But a Fulham who continue to do things in a short sighted and petty way. Come on Fulham for goodness sake. Brede was a big part of our past. He deserves more respect than this.
Well said, Lighthouse. Fully agree. It's a sad joke the way the club has been run the past couple of years.
I allso think its ironic, how Riise was released 2 weeks ago or something and still is on the first team list http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/first-team (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/first-team) while Brede has been removed so fast....
I think that some people have short memories and have forgotten when Hangeland and his agent were pissing around towards the end of the 12/13 season, refusing to sign for whatever reason. In the end he got the deal he wanted and now clearly he's refusing to toe the line. Hangeland has given us some fantastic memories, he's been a proper fan favourite but he's no different to any other footballer. It's quite evident that there's bitterness from one or both of the parties. I wish that people wouldn't listen to that POS Riise.
Not sure whom to believe. I trust the staid and understated Brede. He has always been a class act on and off the pitch. Never flamboyant. Not a flame thrower. He's reserved and careful. So my inclination is to side with his version. However, this could just be a case of miscommunication, where the club is claiming it had already provided Brede with a strong signal it was not going to continue on with him without changes in his contract, claiming the manager had asked him to sit down with him and talk, but that Brede did not take him up on his request, instead leaving for holidays in the Indian Ocean. But even if all of that was true, notice how the club's response to his Tweet did not include an assertion that it had already expressly informed him he was going to be terminated. Rather, the club's response was vague and hedged. The best they can come up with on short notice is to assert he should have known he was going to be terminated? Whether he deserved to terminated or not is a separate issue altogether. The issue here is how he was terminated. Certainly notice by email is a callous and indifferent way to treat a fine servant of the club. Worse, it sends a message to others about how players can expect to be treated at Fulham FC. It's a PR nightmare. Management has circled the wagons, pushed out a hasty retort/denial. But this is Brede Hangeland. The fans and players have a sense of the man's character and attributes. Like honesty, quiet dignity, a good teammate, a foot soldier for the club. With someone like that, you don't leave anything to chance and misinterpretation. You make sure you handle his termination in a clear and above board fashion. No emails. Track him down my cell phone if you must. But the personal touch is required in such situations. What a black eye for management.
Quote from: K33NY on June 03, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
I allso think its ironic, how Riise was released 2 weeks ago or something and still is on the first team list http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/first-team (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/first-team) while Brede has been removed so fast....
Riise is still under contract until the 30th June so is still with the club until then Brede is not
Quote from: Fulhampete on June 03, 2014, 10:07:57 PM
This is a club I have loved since 1957. I have seen us play in all divisions, the Intertoto, the Eufa and Europa leagues. There are very few grounds in England that I have not visited. The current situation makes me feel I can no longer support a club in such degenerate turmoil. It was obvious 2 years ago that things were going wrong. This is when I and my wife gave up our season tickets. Even when not attending games we continued to support Fulham but it has now got to the stage where servants such as Hangeland are treated like s***e I can no longer take Fulham seriously as a club. It is with profound sorrow that I now feel unable to continue my allegiance.
I feel your pain, Pete (I've been a supporter since 1963). However, given all the ups and downs we've faced over the years,don't give up all hope yet ! Glass half full....hopefully the current gang of incompetents running the club will eventually be turfed out as Khan continues to lose money.
Quote from: Nero on June 03, 2014, 11:39:32 PM
Quote from: K33NY on June 03, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
I allso think its ironic, how Riise was released 2 weeks ago or something and still is on the first team list http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/first-team (http://www.fulhamfc.com/the-teams/first-team) while Brede has been removed so fast....
Riise is still under contract until the 30th June so is still with the club until then Brede is not
Aha, didnt think of that. Thanks for clearing that up for me :)
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 03, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
Not sure whom to believe. I trust the staid and understated Brede. He has always been a class act on and off the pitch. Never flamboyant. Not a flame thrower. He's reserved and careful. So my inclination is to side with his version. However, this could just be a case of miscommunication, where the club is claiming it had already provided Brede with a strong signal it was not going to continue on with him without changes in his contract, claiming the manager had asked him to sit down with him and talk, but that Brede did not take him up on his request, instead leaving for holidays in the Indian Ocean. But even if all of that was true, notice how the club's response to his Tweet did not include an assertion that it had already expressly informed him he was going to be terminated. Rather, the club's response was vague and hedged. The best they can come up with on short notice is to assert he should have known he was going to be terminated? Whether he deserved to terminated or not is a separate issue altogether. The issue here is how he was terminated. Certainly notice by email is a callous and indifferent way to treat a fine servant of the club. Worse, it sends a message to others about how players can expect to be treated at Fulham FC. It's a PR nightmare. Management has circled the wagons, pushed out a hasty retort/denial. But this is Brede Hangeland. The fans and players have a sense of the man's character and attributes. Like honesty, quiet dignity, a good teammate, a foot soldier for the club. With someone like that, you don't leave anything to chance and misinterpretation. You make sure you handle his termination in a clear and above board fashion. No emails. Track him down my cell phone if you must. But the personal touch is required in such situations. What a black eye for management.
If you read the mail They talked to him before he went away and ask if he was committed to the forthcoming season and brede wouldn't commit and basically wanting to see what may be offered to him from else where and if nothing came up stay with Fulham. The ever so loyal player basically saw Fulham as a worse case option. Fulham saw this and have said we want fully committed players see you latter. At least we SIdwell he said he wanted to stay if we can get the right deal.
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 03, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
Quote from: Bedford White on June 03, 2014, 10:41:22 PM
At present the only accountability FFC have is that to the owner, his wallet has taken a proper hammering. Sadly for us fans we rarely get the full story.
Looks to me like we're going to have a totally new team this season. Very few of the class of 13/14 will survive the cull. Possibly not a bad thing considering how poor we've been.
Looks that way but judging by the number of changes to the squad, we're going to need about 18 months for the players to gel!
Last time, that took us to 1970.....and Div3 !
Quote from: ron on June 04, 2014, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 03, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
Quote from: Bedford White on June 03, 2014, 10:41:22 PM
At present the only accountability FFC have is that to the owner, his wallet has taken a proper hammering. Sadly for us fans we rarely get the full story.
Looks to me like we're going to have a totally new team this season. Very few of the class of 13/14 will survive the cull. Possibly not a bad thing considering how poor we've been.
Looks that way but judging by the number of changes to the squad, we're going to need about 18 months for the players to gel!
Last time, that took us to 1970.....and Div3 !
once again, who has left that anyone would want to be first choice next season? no one thats who
Quote from: ron on June 04, 2014, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: Fulham76 on June 03, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
, we're going to need about 18 months for the players to gel!
Last time, that took us to 1970.....and Div3 !
Byrne, Dear? Some of those players were mostly gel already.
Where does it state that 'Brede wouldn't commit (to playing in the Championship league for Fulham next season) and instead wanted to first see what offers he can get from other top division clubs before having to commit or not to Fulham for next season'? Where was this version of history reported? And who took ownership as the author of these words? And if he wanted to see if an EPL club would make him an offer, how does that translate to not being fully committed if and when no such other offers came quickly? If there is ANY truth to what you have reported, then it is clear the club wants one standard applied to itself, and another applied to the remaining players. We let you go, Sidwell, but now we want to talk to you about playing for us. On our terms, which will be greatly reduced. But momentarily stall, look around and see if an EPL club will take me at EPL wages, and it's good riddance to old rubbish? If there is any truth to the version you reported above, then it just highlights the strange dance, the uneven playing field, that is contract negotiations under relegation circumstances. Versions, stories, things floated out to the media in hopes they catch on as factual truths. Parties jockeying. In the end, you don't really know what the truth is. All you have is a sense of who you believe and why. For me, character counts. Past behaviour is a fair indicator. I stick with the club; I remain a fan. But, I believe Brede Hangeland.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 04, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
Where does it state that 'Brede wouldn't commit (to playing in the Championship league for Fulham next season) and instead wanted to first see what offers he can get from other top division clubs before having to commit or not to Fulham for next season'? Where was this version of history reported? And who took ownership as the author of these words? And if he wanted to see if an EPL club would make him an offer, how does that translate to not being fully committed if and when no such other offers came quickly? If there is ANY truth to what you have reported, then it is clear the club wants one standard applied to itself, and another applied to the remaining players. We let you go, Sidwell, but now we want to talk to you about playing for us. On our terms, which will be greatly reduced. But momentarily stall, look around and see if an EPL club will take me at EPL wages, and it's good riddance to old rubbish? If there is any truth to the version you reported above, then it just highlights the strange dance, the uneven playing field, that is contract negotiations under relegation circumstances. Versions, stories, things floated out to the media in hopes they catch on as factual truths. Parties jockeying. In the end, you don't really know what the truth is. All you have is a sense of who you believe and why. For me, character counts. Past behaviour is a fair indicator. I stick with the club; I remain a fan. But, I believe Brede Hangeland.
so lets just say it was done by email, is he in the country? and when is he meant to report back for duty? if its say in a month or 6 weeks, wouldnt he be better off knowing now so he can find another club quickly. should the club of demanded that he return from holiday early just to release him?
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 04, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
Where does it state that 'Brede wouldn't commit (to playing in the Championship league for Fulham next season) and instead wanted to first see what offers he can get from other top division clubs before having to commit or not to Fulham for next season'? Where was this version of history reported? And who took ownership as the author of these words? And if he wanted to see if an EPL club would make him an offer, how does that translate to not being fully committed if and when no such other offers came quickly? If there is ANY truth to what you have reported, then it is clear the club wants one standard applied to itself, and another applied to the remaining players. We let you go, Sidwell, but now we want to talk to you about playing for us. On our terms, which will be greatly reduced. But momentarily stall, look around and see if an EPL club will take me at EPL wages, and it's good riddance to old rubbish? If there is any truth to the version you reported above, then it just highlights the strange dance, the uneven playing field, that is contract negotiations under relegation circumstances. Versions, stories, things floated out to the media in hopes they catch on as factual truths. Parties jockeying. In the end, you don't really know what the truth is. All you have is a sense of who you believe and why. For me, character counts. Past behaviour is a fair indicator. I stick with the club; I remain a fan. But, I believe Brede Hangeland.
Was Brede shocked about being released or by the method, the method he knew it was coming In a statement released via his agent, Jon Morland, the centre-back said: "Today I received the sad news that Fulham exercised an option to terminate my contract, effective immediately." If Fulham didn't want him they would have released him at the end of the season but wanted him to commit to next season he would commit
Quote from: fulhamben on June 04, 2014, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 04, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
Where does it state that 'Brede wouldn't commit (to playing in the Championship league for Fulham next season) and instead wanted to first see what offers he can get from other top division clubs before having to commit or not to Fulham for next season'? Where was this version of history reported? And who took ownership as the author of these words? And if he wanted to see if an EPL club would make him an offer, how does that translate to not being fully committed if and when no such other offers came quickly? If there is ANY truth to what you have reported, then it is clear the club wants one standard applied to itself, and another applied to the remaining players. We let you go, Sidwell, but now we want to talk to you about playing for us. On our terms, which will be greatly reduced. But momentarily stall, look around and see if an EPL club will take me at EPL wages, and it's good riddance to old rubbish? If there is any truth to the version you reported above, then it just highlights the strange dance, the uneven playing field, that is contract negotiations under relegation circumstances. Versions, stories, things floated out to the media in hopes they catch on as factual truths. Parties jockeying. In the end, you don't really know what the truth is. All you have is a sense of who you believe and why. For me, character counts. Past behaviour is a fair indicator. I stick with the club; I remain a fan. But, I believe Brede Hangeland.
so lets just say it was done by email, is he in the country? and when is he meant to report back for duty? if its say in a month or 6 weeks, wouldnt he be better off knowing now so he can find another club quickly. should the club of demanded that he return from holiday early just to release him?
With 1 year left on hes contract they:
1: Couldnt have wait until he was back?
2: Wait to see if they maybe got some offers on him?
With one year left, why rush this deciossion why he is on vacation and not wait until a meeting until he was back or even inform more personally that " The CEO wants to inform you that we are arranging a meeting with you regarding your contract and/or your future with Fulham Football Club" Why rush it?
Quote from: Nero on June 04, 2014, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 04, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
Where does it state that 'Brede wouldn't commit (to playing in the Championship league for Fulham next season) and instead wanted to first see what offers he can get from other top division clubs before having to commit or not to Fulham for next season'? Where was this version of history reported? And who took ownership as the author of these words? And if he wanted to see if an EPL club would make him an offer, how does that translate to not being fully committed if and when no such other offers came quickly? If there is ANY truth to what you have reported, then it is clear the club wants one standard applied to itself, and another applied to the remaining players. We let you go, Sidwell, but now we want to talk to you about playing for us. On our terms, which will be greatly reduced. But momentarily stall, look around and see if an EPL club will take me at EPL wages, and it's good riddance to old rubbish? If there is any truth to the version you reported above, then it just highlights the strange dance, the uneven playing field, that is contract negotiations under relegation circumstances. Versions, stories, things floated out to the media in hopes they catch on as factual truths. Parties jockeying. In the end, you don't really know what the truth is. All you have is a sense of who you believe and why. For me, character counts. Past behaviour is a fair indicator. I stick with the club; I remain a fan. But, I believe Brede Hangeland.
Was Brede shocked about being released or by the method, the method he knew it was coming In a statement released via his agent, Jon Morland, the centre-back said: "Today I received the sad news that Fulham exercised an option to terminate my contract, effective immediately." If Fulham didn't want him they would have released him at the end of the season but wanted him to commit to next season he would commit
As I quoted Brede before from a interview, he says he was never informed or had any kind of meeting with the club regarding hes contract or hes future with Fulham and that he was "immensely disappointed"
Quote from: K33NY on June 04, 2014, 12:47:58 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 04, 2014, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 04, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
Where does it state that 'Brede wouldn't commit (to playing in the Championship league for Fulham next season) and instead wanted to first see what offers he can get from other top division clubs before having to commit or not to Fulham for next season'? Where was this version of history reported? And who took ownership as the author of these words? And if he wanted to see if an EPL club would make him an offer, how does that translate to not being fully committed if and when no such other offers came quickly? If there is ANY truth to what you have reported, then it is clear the club wants one standard applied to itself, and another applied to the remaining players. We let you go, Sidwell, but now we want to talk to you about playing for us. On our terms, which will be greatly reduced. But momentarily stall, look around and see if an EPL club will take me at EPL wages, and it's good riddance to old rubbish? If there is any truth to the version you reported above, then it just highlights the strange dance, the uneven playing field, that is contract negotiations under relegation circumstances. Versions, stories, things floated out to the media in hopes they catch on as factual truths. Parties jockeying. In the end, you don't really know what the truth is. All you have is a sense of who you believe and why. For me, character counts. Past behaviour is a fair indicator. I stick with the club; I remain a fan. But, I believe Brede Hangeland.
so lets just say it was done by email, is he in the country? and when is he meant to report back for duty? if its say in a month or 6 weeks, wouldnt he be better off knowing now so he can find another club quickly. should the club of demanded that he return from holiday early just to release him?
With 1 year left on hes contract they:
1: Couldnt have wait until he was back?
2: Wait to see if they maybe got some offers on him?
With one year left, why rush this deciossion why he is on vacation and not wait until a meeting until he was back or even inform more personally that " The CEO wants to inform you that we are arranging a meeting with you regarding your contract and/or your future with Fulham Football Club" Why rush it?
why prolong it though. the end result would have been the same.
A spirit of Fulham masochism prevails, encouraged by an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as true fans. Within FOF today, we have more than our share of these nattering nabobs of negativism. These pusillanimous pussyfooters and vicars of vacillation and the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of todays Fulham are making these threads unreadable.
NO ONE knows who did this to a great servant like Hangers. No one knows if it was done by some underling or if it was by mistake. Yet so many are quick to blame management from Khan on down. Chicken little lives on.
PS: Let no man say that Yankee Jim is above a bit of plagiarism.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 03, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
Not sure whom to believe. I trust the staid and understated Brede. He has always been a class act on and off the pitch. Never flamboyant. Not a flame thrower. He's reserved and careful. So my inclination is to side with his version. However, this could just be a case of miscommunication, where the club is claiming it had already provided Brede with a strong signal it was not going to continue on with him without changes in his contract, claiming the manager had asked him to sit down with him and talk, but that Brede did not take him up on his request, instead leaving for holidays in the Indian Ocean. But even if all of that was true, notice how the club's response to his Tweet did not include an assertion that it had already expressly informed him he was going to be terminated. Rather, the club's response was vague and hedged. The best they can come up with on short notice is to assert he should have known he was going to be terminated? Whether he deserved to terminated or not is a separate issue altogether. The issue here is how he was terminated. Certainly notice by email is a callous and indifferent way to treat a fine servant of the club. Worse, it sends a message to others about how players can expect to be treated at Fulham FC. It's a PR nightmare. Management has circled the wagons, pushed out a hasty retort/denial. But this is Brede Hangeland. The fans and players have a sense of the man's character and attributes. Like honesty, quiet dignity, a good teammate, a foot soldier for the club. With someone like that, you don't leave anything to chance and misinterpretation. You make sure you handle his termination in a clear and above board fashion. No emails. Track him down my cell phone if you must. But the personal touch is required in such situations. What a black eye for management.
I completely agree. I am far more inclined to believe Brede, six year veteran, distinguished captain and loyal committed man, rather than the current crop of imbeciles we have running the club. It's not a coincidence that this is the second time something like this has happened, after the Meulensteen debacle. The club has previous and now we're garnering a reputation as an institution which treats its staff ruthlessly and without due regard.
I hope to god we haven't let that idiot Magath make this decision alone, and that the club know what we're doing terminating the contract of a player like Brede with a year left to run.
Quote from: fulhamben on June 04, 2014, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: K33NY on June 04, 2014, 12:47:58 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 04, 2014, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 04, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
Where does it state that 'Brede wouldn't commit (to playing in the Championship league for Fulham next season) and instead wanted to first see what offers he can get from other top division clubs before having to commit or not to Fulham for next season'? Where was this version of history reported? And who took ownership as the author of these words? And if he wanted to see if an EPL club would make him an offer, how does that translate to not being fully committed if and when no such other offers came quickly? If there is ANY truth to what you have reported, then it is clear the club wants one standard applied to itself, and another applied to the remaining players. We let you go, Sidwell, but now we want to talk to you about playing for us. On our terms, which will be greatly reduced. But momentarily stall, look around and see if an EPL club will take me at EPL wages, and it's good riddance to old rubbish? If there is any truth to the version you reported above, then it just highlights the strange dance, the uneven playing field, that is contract negotiations under relegation circumstances. Versions, stories, things floated out to the media in hopes they catch on as factual truths. Parties jockeying. In the end, you don't really know what the truth is. All you have is a sense of who you believe and why. For me, character counts. Past behaviour is a fair indicator. I stick with the club; I remain a fan. But, I believe Brede Hangeland.
so lets just say it was done by email, is he in the country? and when is he meant to report back for duty? if its say in a month or 6 weeks, wouldnt he be better off knowing now so he can find another club quickly. should the club of demanded that he return from holiday early just to release him?
With 1 year left on hes contract they:
1: Couldnt have wait until he was back?
2: Wait to see if they maybe got some offers on him?
With one year left, why rush this deciossion why he is on vacation and not wait until a meeting until he was back or even inform more personally that " The CEO wants to inform you that we are arranging a meeting with you regarding your contract and/or your future with Fulham Football Club" Why rush it?
why prolong it though. the end result would have been the same.
Why prolong it? So it could have been done in a proper matter, not by email without any kind of meeting in forehand as Brede himself states(wich I believe him on).
I agree we will never get to know the full details of what happened, but the club could and should have had the decency to wait until he was back and inform him with a proper meeting. It would be the most decent way.
I agree he had a poor season and with hes injury etc he might not get better than what he is now, but who knows how he would have played in Championship? At least telling him face to face in a meeting, there would never be big fuss about this.
Quote from: K33NY on June 03, 2014, 10:46:14 PM
...there truly is something weird going on behind the scenes at Fulham imo.....
Didn't Gus Poyet say almost exactly those words about Sunderland, back in March, when they were bottom of the table? Neither Poyet nor anyone else at the club is saying it now that they have stayed up, of course.
The point is that it would seem that nothing causes such notions to evaporate more readily than a good run of results. Start off next season well and no one will be surmising anything of the sort.
Quote from: Arthur on June 04, 2014, 01:08:11 AM
Quote from: K33NY on June 03, 2014, 10:46:14 PM
...there truly is something weird going on behind the scenes at Fulham imo.....
Didn't Gus Poyet say almost exactly those words about Sunderland, back in March, when they were bottom of the table? Neither Poyet nor anyone else at the club is saying it now that they have stayed up, of course.
The point is that it would seem that nothing causes such notions to evaporate more readily than a good run of results. Start off next season well and no one will be surmising anything of the sort.
And that is a bit scary, even if we do well I would never trust Ali Mac, I would hope he leaves at any day. I dunno, something is weird, I have a weird feeling about whats going on at Fulham, behind the scenes, in that board, everything changed after Mo selling the club, I just hope it stabilises over time.
What does `released' mean here?
If the move came purely from the club then surely they would have to pay off the remaining year of his contract and would have to forego any transfer fee. The thought that we would pay his salary up front to release him or that he might move to, for example, Crystal Palace as has been suggested without the club receiving a fee would both seem very odd.
Does this mean the move came from Brede or his agent? It might be understandable if he felt he had to retire because of his back injury or he wanted to return to Norway. If however he has thoughts of playing elsewhere in England or Europe then what is the benefit to Brede?
Forget the fluff about the e-mail. Why is this happening at all?
Quote from: YankeeJim on June 04, 2014, 12:53:18 AM
A spirit of Fulham masochism prevails, encouraged by an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as true fans. Within FOF today, we have more than our share of these nattering nabobs of negativism. These pusillanimous pussyfooters and vicars of vacillation and the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of todays Fulham are making these threads unreadable.
NO ONE knows who did this to a great servant like Hangers. No one knows if it was done by some underling or if it was by mistake. Yet so many are quick to blame management from Khan on down. Chicken little lives on.
PS: Let no man say that Yankee Jim is above a bit of plagiarism.
Well, Spiro, I don't think fans' upset over the club using email to inform the rock of the squad, a 6+ years player that "you're terminated" (or words to that effect) reflects impudent snobbery. As to the rest of it, huh?
Quote from: K33NY on June 04, 2014, 01:19:14 AM
Quote from: Arthur on June 04, 2014, 01:08:11 AM
Quote from: K33NY on June 03, 2014, 10:46:14 PM
...there truly is something weird going on behind the scenes at Fulham imo.....
Didn't Gus Poyet say almost exactly those words about Sunderland, back in March, when they were bottom of the table? Neither Poyet nor anyone else at the club is saying it now that they have stayed up, of course.
The point is that it would seem that nothing causes such notions to evaporate more readily than a good run of results. Start off next season well and no one will be surmising anything of the sort.
And that is a bit scary, even if we do well I would never trust Ali Mac, I would hope he leaves at any day. I dunno, something is weird, I have a weird feeling about whats going on at Fulham, behind the scenes, in that board, everything changed after Mo selling the club, I just hope it stabilises over time.
It is strange that everything was `normal' when Mackintosh was in charge under Al-Fayed but everything became `weird' with Mackintosh in charge as soon as Khan took over.
I am sure that those who blame Mackintosh have a convincing, coherent and evidence-based explanation that they will be keen to share.
Apprentice, that's a fair point. Let's discuss. Perhaps MAF had the final say in all major decisions (player and management hires) and he and/or those whose judgment he deferred to other than AM kept the ship afloat. MAF leaves and things start deteriorating. Others have argued on this forum, though, that we were strongest under Roy, then Sparky, and there was enough continuity on the team after those two had left to see us through a few more years. But the walls were cracking, the bolts popping out, the players aging. And at THAT POINT IN TIME (pardon the uppercase lettering for effect), did AM start to exert more influence, to perhaps fill a perceived void in on-site management?
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 04, 2014, 01:43:15 AM
Apprentice, that's a fair point. Let's discuss. Perhaps MAF had the final say in all major decisions (player and management hires) and he and/or those whose judgment he deferred to other than AM kept the ship afloat. MAF leaves and things start deteriorating. Others have argued on this forum, though, that we were strongest under Roy, then Sparky, and there was enough continuity on the team after those two had left to see us through a few more years. But the walls were cracking, the bolts popping out, the players aging. And at THAT POINT IN TIME (pardon the uppercase lettering for effect), did AM start to exert more influence, to perhaps fill a perceived void in on-site management?
A reasoned reply. Thanks.
My counter-scenario is that, although we weren't necessarily progressing, I don't think most thought there were serious problems even under Jol until that poor run last season. Jol then said last summer that Mackintosh got all his targets so no apparent interference then. There has been no announcement about Mackintosh assuming greater power or any indication such as him making public pronouncements which the power hungry are inclined to do. Also I cannot see Jol or, even more strongly, Magath allowing any interference from someone not on the football side. Indeed Magath has reportedly wanted to assume the role of both manager and Director of Football at previous clubs. This seems to me to leave very little room for Mackintosh to wield his supposedly evil influence.
"Supposedly evil influence"? Whoa, horse! Nobody ever made that allegation. But I get your argument. I disagree that most thought there were no real issues with Jol until this last season. We can go back and reread the threads. I think there was plenty of anxiety over him before this last season. But we pulled out a run of wins toward the end of the season, 'falsely' inflating our true comparative standing on the table. Jol didn't spend two seasons ago. Why? I seem to recall Jol mumbling something about not having the funds to acquire new talent and having to make do with who we have.
Magath walked into the club an unwanted manager everywhere else. He may have a lot of clout now, but not so much when he first arrived. A.M. had more clout prior to relegation, I think. I agree that as of now Magath has probably demanded and been given a greater degree of autonomy.
until his mental/physical fitness suffered he was the ideal footballer. he showed you could be a competitor without being an a##hole. He was a great representative of fulham football club.
he appears to be an intelligent man who lost his will to chase a ball around a field. even up to this season the networks were still doing the 'Hangeland March' on corners even though he hadn't scored in... awhile. i will miss brede.
If Brede was informed by email as his quote suggests (it sounds genuine so I have no reason to doubt it) I'm then shocked at the way Brede was treated by the club. It's a disgrace and makes me fear for the future. Best of luck to Brede... thanks for being a great FFC player.
To me it seems as if there was dialogue between both parties, however they could not agree anything.
Brede and or his agent probably (and I do not know i am assuminig) would not accept the mandatory reduction in salary as per his contract, we should not forget he is captain of Norway as well and maybe (I work for a Norwegian company (as I posted earlier) and as a work colleague said to me yesterday some media reported he did not want to lose his international status) this was also a factor they were taking into account.
From the clubs perspective they expect someone to honour their contract clauses and therefore maybe they were put in a position where they had to act. It seems they asked Brede / Agent to call the manager on a number of occasions and this hasn't happened.
That doesn't make the email the correct way of doing things, but it does seem that there was some kind of communication between the parties in the weeks before the announcement as you cannot just terminate a contract based on a whim. I am just trying to say there are 2 sides to every story and maybe just maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle of what both sides in this story are saying.
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Where does it state that 'Brede wouldn't commit (to playing in the Championship league for Fulham next season) and instead wanted to first see what offers he can get from other top division clubs before having to commit or not to Fulham for next season'? Where was this version of history reported? And who took ownership as the author of these words? And if he wanted to see if an EPL club would make him an offer, how does that translate to not being fully committed if and when no such other offers came quickly? If there is ANY truth to what you have reported, then it is clear the club wants one standard applied to itself, and another applied to the remaining players. We let you go, Sidwell, but now we want to talk to you about playing for us. On our terms, which will be greatly reduced. But momentarily stall, look around and see if an EPL club will take me at EPL wages, and it's good riddance to old rubbish? If there is any truth to the version you reported above, then it just highlights the strange dance, the uneven playing field, that is contract negotiations under relegation circumstances. Versions, stories, things floated out to the media in hopes they catch on as factual truths. Parties jockeying. In the end, you don't really know what the truth is. All you have is a sense of who you believe and why. For me, character counts. Past behaviour is a fair indicator. I stick with the club; I remain a fan. But, I believe Brede Hangeland.
so lets just say it was done by email, is he in the country? and when is he meant to report back for duty? if its say in a month or 6 weeks, wouldnt he be better off knowing now so he can find another club quickly. should the club of demanded that he return from holiday early just to release him?
With 1 year left on hes contract they:
1: Couldnt have wait until he was back?
2: Wait to see if they maybe got some offers on him?
With one year left, why rush this deciossion why he is on vacation and not wait until a meeting until he was back or even inform more personally that " The CEO wants to inform you that we are arranging a meeting with you regarding your contract and/or your future with Fulham Football Club" Why rush it?
why prolong it though. the end result would have been the same.
Maybe like Mark Hughes's contract there was a timescale set into the contract....
'To terminate the contract on relegation and the players refusal to take agreed pay cut this contract this has to be done between June 1st & June 7th'
or something like that.
I would be certain that the club has said very little directly to him.
He has an agent and the agent would be responsible for contracts and any negotiation concerning it.
Speaking to the player directly is like to breach the terms of any contract.
Since the end of the season he has been on International Duty and therefore not in the UK to discuss anything with anybody.
So maybe it was the agent who emailed him?
It's not the decision as such, or even the means of communication (a letter would be no different), as the reported lack of contact preceding the email. There may be some wriggle room for the club, along lines such as sketched out by the preceding poster, but let's face it: Brede's mobile number would be no mystery and if it really was unphoned in the days prior to the email, then that would take some excusing.
Way down the significance scale, but still notable, is how no attempt has been made to put a gloss on things. How were supporters meant to react, for heaven sake?
AM - When Al-Fayed was in charge he ran FFC like a family business with hands on and proper board management - Khan has been AWOL for 95% of the season - AM has mucked it up - simple really
After reading this thread all I can say is "I want those eight minutes of my life back"
I said it on another post, but I thought I'd reiterate my view.
I will agree that Brede has been a loyal servant and also has been one of our all time greatest defenders. However; he failed to do his job last season. Along with the rest of the team. And now, as a result, the club have dropped a division and lost millions of pound in revenue, tv rights and sponsorship. As he was part of the problem last year, whether he was injured or it was just a poor year in form, is irrelevant. The club need to find a way to slash outgoings, and the underperforming, liabilities that are the previous players had to go. Age caught up with them, injury prone, error prone etc.
Yes it includes players like Duff, Sidwell, Heitinga and Hangeland, but all these players were on big wages that the club can no longer afford, and simply don't deserve another penny. I'm not upset nor surprised by the clubs decision, in fact I'm happy. More money saved, obviously more money available to be invested.
If I lost my company millions by underperforming I'd be out the door and replaced by someone more suitable and capable. Football is no different. In fact, I'd saying it was a harsher environment than most.
A new era has begun at our club. And new eras bring big changes. Remember when Mo first came in, he sacked Micky Adams - who just got us promoted on a shoe string - we might have complained then, but things got better. A lot, lot better. Keep the faith and love for the mighty whites. As Arnold once said "we'll be back"!!
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This is getting redundant, could mods please delete this thread.
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...there truly is something weird going on behind the scenes at Fulham imo.....
Didn't Gus Poyet say almost exactly those words about Sunderland, back in March, when they were bottom of the table? Neither Poyet nor anyone else at the club is saying it now that they have stayed up, of course.
The point is that it would seem that nothing causes such notions to evaporate more readily than a good run of results. Start off next season well and no one will be surmising anything of the sort.
True its safe to say we're all pretty much pished off at the moment.
multi thread time
Three threads have already been merged. This board is becoming tedious.
Why waste your time reading and commenting then?? Move along, nothing to see here.
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...there truly is something weird going on behind the scenes at Fulham imo.....
Didn't Gus Poyet say almost exactly those words about Sunderland, back in March, when they were bottom of the table? Neither Poyet nor anyone else at the club is saying it now that they have stayed up, of course.
The point is that it would seem that nothing causes such notions to evaporate more readily than a good run of results. Start off next season well and no one will be surmising anything of the sort.
True its safe to say we're all pretty much pished off at the moment.
Im not Pished off I am delighted about what is happening at the club as the cull of players / backroon staff is well overdue
I'm not pished off at all. The team needs rebuilding, we had far too many old players.
Maggie is rebuilding. Save your moaning until you see WHO is brought in and what is done with the team.
Brede doesn't deserve another penny?????
Its sad when fans give a quick one liner " yes he was one of our greatest ever defenders and a LOYAL servant" but lets brush that under the carpet because hes getting old and not as good as before.
As far as im concerned brede is worth every bit of signing on fee or money he has earned this past year simply through earning half of what a big club would of been paying him theses past few years. This is a sad moment and one where we should be celebrating a legends legacy rather than celebrating that his wages are off the books because you think hes crap now. Poor show.
maybe brede needed to go but he should go as a great and not how you portray him
First of all love Hangeland. Sad to see him go.... BUT professional football is a business. No room for sentiment. In a business, things happen behind closed doors. Both the club (business) and the player are advised on financial and legal matters. For the club it is accountants and lawyers, for the player it is the agents. In now way would the club be having casual conversations with the players on a legal matter such as clauses in his contracts. Everything would be in writing and go through his agent. if talks broke down, the agent would receive a letter from the legal department along the lines of, we regret to inform you of our decision to terminate your contract due to your no compliance with section xx in your contract of employment. etc etc. If Hangeland wants to go out an complain to the media of his ill treatment, then that is his choice. Hangeland is the one that is being unprofessional. A contract is a contract, and if he doesn't like, he should not sign it.
The two words that make me very sceptical about the whole affair are ....HIS AGENT !!!!
As already been stated, you can not just tear up a contract that still has a year left, and then let the person know by email. The club has said the correct procedures were followed, so why disbelieve them but believe what has been said, not by Brede, but by his agent. Everything that has been reported to have been quoted by Brede has been stated through his agent.
I am still in Norway at the moment, and the press here are basically saying the same thing as in the UK, all through his agent...... Brede did not play for Norway against Russia on Saturday, he sat in the stands. But then after his display against France a few days previous, it's no wonder. He really looked to be elsewhere.
I loved the man and wish him all the best in the future, but I wouldn't trust his agent.....
Whether it's his time to go or not. To do it via an email is awful. Not to invite your club captain who represented the club during some of its best years in for a one to one is really scummy behaviour.
Football is a business like any other. I've worked for a couple of firms who let staff go but they had the nuts to do it face to face.
Brede was not right all season. I do not know what was wrong with him but certainly not anywhere near his best.
It was probably a good time for both parties for him to move on.
Felix is a new broom wanting youth..... so let us trust him
But certainly i have much regard for Brede and what he did for us.
I read on ceefax this morn that Brede was informed that he was to be released by email. He said no personal contact at all by the club. What cretin was behind that?! Was it Mackinstoshchamberlain? That is the way to treat the club captain is it not?
Dear oh dear. A disgrace!!!!
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Wow how did this news not sneak out until now,
How many threads on this now!?
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Wow how did this news not sneak out until now,
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BOG - dude there is a massive thread if you scroll down 065.gif
Quote from: FFC1987 on June 04, 2014, 10:43:17 AM
How many threads on this now!?
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This 'instant' world of e-mail, messageboards, Twitter, FaceBook etc. !
Instant opinions, rushes-to-judgement, jumping to conclusions. Seldom do we wait until the real facts are known and then make balanced judgements. Budgets and Queen's Speeches have to be leaked, discussed and moaned about before we have heard the full details.
Brede was a fine servant and, by all appearances, is a true gentleman. But he was well paid, too, and because of injury and the shambles of 3 (+2) managers last season he became another contributor to our relegation.
I'm pleased that he has been released (or whatever) as I'd like to see a brand new start at Fulham, using as much of our young talent as is sensible.
And here we go again! It must be true because its in the media and the club must be at fault :doh:
Why do people on here only believe what they want to without actually knowing the truth ?
Quote from: JBH on June 04, 2014, 11:18:56 AM
And here we go again! It must be true because its in the media and the club must be at fault :doh:
Why do people on here only believe what they want to without actually knowing the truth ?
How do we know this isn't the truth? When we will know the truth?
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Quote from: JBH on June 04, 2014, 11:18:56 AM
And here we go again! It must be true because its in the media and the club must be at fault :doh:
Why do people on here only believe what they want to without actually knowing the truth ?
How do we know this isn't the truth? When we will know the truth?
We don't and thats my point!
People always think that everything negative that is written must be the clubs fault and never the fault of player in question
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Quote from: JBH on June 04, 2014, 11:18:56 AM
And here we go again! It must be true because its in the media and the club must be at fault :doh:
Why do people on here only believe what they want to without actually knowing the truth ?
How do we know this isn't the truth? When we will know the truth?
We don't and thats my point!
People always think that everything negative that is written must be the clubs fault and never the fault of player in question
So no opinions or statements should be produced until what?
The information we have is 1) Brede and his agent have directly quoted to their local media that he was informed via email of his contract termination on the first day of his holiday and 2) THe club made a statement to say it acted within protocol on this situation. Not a denial of any kind.
Seems pretty conclusive to me. The way the club replied almost confirms it for me. I don't see how this will change unless the club try and sue Brede for libel/slander.
After the last few seasons of the clubs behaviour. How can anybody trust them? They have made every wrong decision going. Good grief how can we really sit down and debate that the club have any idea what it is doing?
Ceefax? Is that still a thing?
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 04, 2014, 02:23:43 AM
"Supposedly evil influence"? Whoa, horse! Nobody ever made that allegation. But I get your argument. I disagree that most thought there were no real issues with Jol until this last season. We can go back and reread the threads. I think there was plenty of anxiety over him before this last season. But we pulled out a run of wins toward the end of the season, 'falsely' inflating our true comparative standing on the table. Jol didn't spend two seasons ago. Why? I seem to recall Jol mumbling something about not having the funds to acquire new talent and having to make do with who we have.
Magath walked into the club an unwanted manager everywhere else. He may have a lot of clout now, but not so much when he first arrived. A.M. had more clout prior to relegation, I think. I agree that as of now Magath has probably demanded and been given a greater degree of autonomy.
Evil influence? Others are saying that he has too much power and has made a made a series of bad decisions.
My mistake over the season. It was late and I kept re-editing that bit. As you say I should have said and meant Jol's bad run the
season before last.
Jol didn't have much money to spend, as with Hodgson and Hughes, because of the policy under Al-Fayed to be sustainable. That policy was understandable but buying senior players and loanees catches up on a club as you don't have the 23-29 year olds to provide the continuity.
Khan has made several mistakes, again understandable given his lack of experience. He should have had some football management experience in his new Board. He should have invested more last summer. He might have sacked Jol last summer. He might have sacked Jol earlier. He should have had a permanent replacement ready to take over from Jol.
I really don't see any of this down to Mackintosh having more clout. Rather I see these problems as revealing a lack of leadership and direction: the loss of an active and experienced owner/Chairman, under-funding and a lack of football management experience on the Board or at the club say in the form of a Director of Football.
Quote from: Baszab on June 04, 2014, 07:50:06 AM
AM - When Al-Fayed was in charge he ran FFC like a family business with hands on and proper board management - Khan has been AWOL for 95% of the season - AM has mucked it up - simple really
The different approaches of Al-Fayed and Khan is key. I agree.
But that does not mean that Mackintosh has been given absolute power to fire and hire managers or buy crocked forwards for £12m over the head of the coach or manager.
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And here we go again! It must be true because its in the media and the club must be at fault :doh:
Why do people on here only believe what they want to without actually knowing the truth ?
How do we know this isn't the truth? When we will know the truth?
We don't and thats my point!
People always think that everything negative that is written must be the clubs fault and never the fault of player in question
So no opinions or statements should be produced until what?
The information we have is 1) Brede and his agent have directly quoted to their local media that he was informed via email of his contract termination on the first day of his holiday and 2) THe club made a statement to say it acted within protocol on this situation. Not a denial of any kind.
Seems pretty conclusive to me. The way the club replied almost confirms it for me. I don't see how this will change unless the club try and sue Brede for libel/slander.
Do you think the club waited for him to go on holiday or tried to contact him before and he just left? and when he didn't replied sent a email to let him know.
Quote from: Nero on June 04, 2014, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on June 04, 2014, 11:45:57 AM
Quote from: JBH on June 04, 2014, 11:39:23 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on June 04, 2014, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: JBH on June 04, 2014, 11:18:56 AM
And here we go again! It must be true because its in the media and the club must be at fault :doh:
Why do people on here only believe what they want to without actually knowing the truth ?
How do we know this isn't the truth? When we will know the truth?
We don't and thats my point!
People always think that everything negative that is written must be the clubs fault and never the fault of player in question
So no opinions or statements should be produced until what?
The information we have is 1) Brede and his agent have directly quoted to their local media that he was informed via email of his contract termination on the first day of his holiday and 2) THe club made a statement to say it acted within protocol on this situation. Not a denial of any kind.
Seems pretty conclusive to me. The way the club replied almost confirms it for me. I don't see how this will change unless the club try and sue Brede for libel/slander.
Do you think the club waited for him to go on holiday or tried to contact him before and he just left? and when he didn't replied sent a email to let him know.
That's it, they were conspiring behind his back, looking for when he had his holidays booked, and then sent him an email! Dastardly peoples, wouldn't have happened in my day, don't you know - would've been a telegram 092.gif
Seriously, none of us really know what has transpired behind the scenes over the past month, do we? I do find it difficult to believe that Brede had no idea whatsoever this was possibly on the books, and to put our faith in newspaper reporters 'quoting' players (where did the agent come into this?) is like putting our faith in MJ a year ago.
Quote from: westcliff white on June 04, 2014, 06:54:19 AM
I am just trying to say there are 2 sides to every story and maybe just maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle of what both sides in this story are saying.
This is to say that the both Brede and the Club have given one-sided versions of the event.
The Club, however, do not deny that they sent an e-mail to Brede and have merely issued a statement in which they claim to have followed protocol. (In other words, it has acted lawfully regarding his release.)
Though there is clearly further information which the Club are not disclosing (such as the details of the release clause which it was able to invoke in Brede's contract), I don't think that the Club can be accused, thus far, of not having been truthful.
Fair buisiness: One side makes an offer. If the other side doesn't accept it is okay. There is no need to blame each other and tell the whole world the details.
Quote from: Baszab on June 04, 2014, 07:50:06 AM
AM - When Al-Fayed was in charge he ran FFC like a family business with hands on and proper board management - Khan has been AWOL for 95% of the season - AM has mucked it up - simple really
How do you know he's been absent "for 95% of the season"? Are you on the board of trustees? Do you have a spy camera in the boardroom? How do you know A) Kahn hadn't planned exactly what hes done/doing regardless of staying up or not, and B) how do you know he's not working tirelessly behind the scene, securing funding for transfers, negotiating with other clubs or working with Magath to provide the best possible signings we can make?
For all we know, he could have been dismayed and shocked about the amount players were payed and wanted to reduce the wage bill regardless. Or whatever. He's the owner and the businessman. We're not.
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JAR had a go at the club yesterday about emailing Brede and said lots going on at the club.....today he takes it back with this quote
" I have been told more details regarding Brede exit. I have been corrected by the club and wanna apologise. I do hope both parties will end it on a good note. I wish them both well for the future"
And thats from a team mate
Quote from: MJG on June 04, 2014, 01:20:45 PM
JAR had a go at the club yesterday about emailing Brede and said lots going on at the club.....today he takes it back with this quote
" I have been told more details regarding Brede exit. I have been corrected by the club and wanna apologise. I do hope both parties will end it on a good note. I wish them both well for the future"
And thats from a team mate
So basically, Brede agent called the clubs bluff and lost. Mouthed off the board and made them out to be the bad guys, when in reality he is the one in the wrong
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Khan has been AWOL for 95 % of the season - that is a FACT which anyone who knows anyone at CC/MP will verify
IMHO - he has lost revenue for 2014/5 of c. US$80m and of course he will be telling everyone to slash the expenditure - just not helpful if we are trying to get back up again but who could blame him ?
Brede can only have been dismissed if the contract said the club had an option to terminate (perhaps conditional on relegation). /there are loads of ways it could have been drafted/structured, but one thing Brede will have been able to do (he is a bright guy) is read - so he will have well known that an email could be sent to terminate.
We don't know what happened.
I like the speculation that Brede (or his agent) wouldn't commit and the club pulled the plug.
There is NO WAY this would have been the first Brede would have known of the possibility.
No one is gonna come out of this looking good. I'd put good money on there having been discussions in the last few weeks with little progress. The timing probably could have been better, but there may be time constraints on a potential release and the club is acting early. We need plenty of early action this summer, we get it and as fans we're up in arms.
The player and his agent were stalling the club needs to get organised for next season and quick.
Anyone who believes the players went on holiday not appreciating their position are being naive.
The Club certainly have a history of poor communication to the fans but in a situation like this any comments trying to explain the background can be twisted by those seeking to paint a different picture.
Hangeland last month said Fulham had become "unrecognisable" from the club who reached the Europa League Final four years ago and suggested mistakes off the pitch were to blame for the Cottagers' disastrous season.
Unfortunately, in the corporate environment that football plays out in, this sort of statement from a captain of a club was never going to be excused and certainly not whilst the same MD has overseen the demise and is still in charge.
I for one, think he still had a lot to offer this club on the pitch and we will be hard pressed to find an equal replacement.( Burn may never be that !)
Its unprofessional in any walk of life. If I slagged off my work in public - and we've been warned about facebook, Twitter etc - we're put up for a disciplinary with a view to being sacked. For the club captain to say it, whether true or not, isn't acceptable. Add to that his "alleged" unwillingness to accept a pay cut, what else was the club to do?
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Quote from: howitis on June 04, 2014, 03:27:33 PM
Hangeland last month said Fulham had become "unrecognisable" from the club who reached the Europa League Final four years ago and suggested mistakes off the pitch were to blame for the Cottagers' disastrous season.
Unfortunately, in the corporate environment that football plays out in, this sort of statement from a captain of a club was never going to be excused and certainly not whilst the same MD has overseen the demise and is still in charge.
I for one, think he still had a lot to offer this club on the pitch and we will be hard pressed to find an equal replacement.( Burn may never be that !)
I don't get the unwillingness to allow Burn to grow into Brede's position. We are now at a level in which Burn excelled in Brede's position. It will be a waste throwing money at a position for which we have a ready made solution (Burn).
Brede may never have been Brede had he never been given his chance at Fulham.
Quote from: Baszab on June 04, 2014, 01:24:14 PM
Khan has been AWOL for 95 % of the season - that is a FACT which anyone who knows anyone at CC/MP will verify
The only fact here is that you have no real bases for your fact.
IMHO
Quote from: YankeeJim on June 04, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: Baszab on June 04, 2014, 01:24:14 PM
Khan has been AWOL for 95 % of the season - that is a FACT which anyone who knows anyone at CC/MP will verify
The only fact here is that you have no real bases for your fact.
IMHO
Oh dear please do not criticise a fellow American, you know how touchy they are
The real issue here is that it has all ended so badly, with claims and counterclaims - and none of us will ever know the full story, so it's impossible to judge. However, it is undeniable that Brede has been a magnificent servant to the club, and it's desperately sad that his time with us has ended in rancour. Personally, I think he should have been persuaded to stay as club captain, as his influence as a man and a motivator could have been priceless next season. And I also think he could do a job on the field, albeit as a substitute for Burn, when called upon.
I don't understand why we didn't sell him rather than release him.
The only reasons I can think of are:
a) his back injury is worse than anyone suspects so he would fail a medical if we were selling him for a fee
b) his salary is a lot higher than anyone would pay, so he wouldn't go (and there must have been a release clause).
c) Fulham Football club is completely incompetent.
Just saying, I don't suspect anyone outside the club knows the answer.
I assume FFC are happy with Burn as a direct replacement - we already knew that they couldn't play together as they both wanted to play on the left.
Could it be a possibility that it was the club's way of saying 'thank you' to Brede for his loyalty and service, I don't know?
I would like to believe it's mostly A and B.
He's not *really* worth selling at this stage anyways. He's 33 next week, has been injured for a year and has just had a howler of a season. His wage bill would be considerably more than his market value so better to just dump him and free up the funds I guess.
It'd also make us a more appealing proposition when it comes to signing other defenders as they'll see themselves as more likely to be sure of making the first team.
His original contract ran through this summer but the extension was signed. Maybe there was a clause that voided the extension in case of relegation.
Quote from: Max Headroom on June 05, 2014, 04:08:59 PM
I don't understand why we didn't sell him rather than release him.
The only reasons I can think of are:
a) his back injury is worse than anyone suspects so he would fail a medical if we were selling him for a fee
b) his salary is a lot higher than anyone would pay, so he wouldn't go (and there must have been a release clause).
c) Fulham Football club is completely incompetent.
Just saying, I don't suspect anyone outside the club knows the answer.
I assume FFC are happy with Burn as a direct replacement - we already knew that they couldn't play together as they both wanted to play on the left.
Its D)
had a relegation clause which reduced his wages on agreement. he did not agree to take the reduction and was not keen on the championship. There was a clause where both parties could end the contract with no payment for final year. Time was running out to action the clause and with no agreement in place club ended contract.
of course that could all be made up.
SunburyWhite put this on the Friday Fulham Stuff thread early this morning:
From dear old wiki regarding Hangerlands agent, sounds like a decent fellow, the sort of chap who can be believed
Rune Hauge (born April 23, 1954) is a Norwegian football agent.
In English football, Hauge is best known as the agent who represented John Jensen and Pål Lydersen during their transfers to Arsenal in the early 1990s. This would lead to Arsenal manager George Graham becoming embroiled in allegations that Hauge paid him a £425,000 "bung" to sign the players. Graham was later found guilty by the Football Association after admitting receiving an "unsolicited gift" and was suspended for a year. Before this, Hauge was involved in the signings of two key Manchester United players: Andrei Kanchelskis and Peter Schmeichel.
Hauge was banned from operating as an agent for life by FIFA in 1995, but this was later reduced to two years' suspension of his licence. After he regained his licence, he went on to represent several Norwegian players including Ole Gunnar Solskjær, Steffen Iversen and Eirik Bakke. He was also involved in the transfer of Rio Ferdinand from West Ham United to Leeds United.
In 2005, he was involved in the transfer dispute between Manchester United and Chelsea over John Obi Mikel, claiming (along with others) that he had the right to represent the Nigerian youth.
Hauge's current clients include Blackburn's Norwegian midfielder Morten Gamst Pedersen.
I've felt for a while that there should be an opportunity for players and managers /coaches could come onto the pitch during preseason to take plaudits from supporters for what they've done in the past. I'm sure this could be arranged between previous and current clubs. Micky Adams [ok it wasn't preseason but the point still stands - the following year?] and Tigana come to mind, and as for the current England setup...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2651023/Brede-Hangeland-set-join-QPR-leaving-Fulham.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2651023/Brede-Hangeland-set-join-QPR-leaving-Fulham.html)
No, just please god no
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on June 06, 2014, 11:15:46 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2651023/Brede-Hangeland-set-join-QPR-leaving-Fulham.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2651023/Brede-Hangeland-set-join-QPR-leaving-Fulham.html)
No, just please god no
Why not? Another money, motivated, mercenary looking for one last big payday before he retires. Sounds like a typical QPR Premiership signing.
Let him go he can help them get relegated
Quote from: MJG on June 04, 2014, 01:20:45 PM
JAR had a go at the club yesterday about emailing Brede and said lots going on at the club.....today he takes it back with this quote
" I have been told more details regarding Brede exit. I have been corrected by the club and wanna apologise. I do hope both parties will end it on a good note. I wish them both well for the future"
And thats from a team mate
JAR is addicted to social media. If he spent less time online and more time working on his game maybe he would be a better player. Social media is the downfall of the professional athlete. Commenting on every issue they know nothing about just makes them look like complete fools.
It is true JAR is addicted to social media. Who in the right mind would post a picture like this?! I mean look where his brother's hand is! that's just not right.
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Quote from: love4ffc on June 07, 2014, 06:12:18 AM
It is true JAR is addicted to social media. Who in the right mind would post a picture like this?! I mean look where his brother's hand is! that's just not right.
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John Arne Riise says that the Fulham manager did not have the guts to tell Hangeland that he did not want him anymore and told Brede by email instead. Is this true?
Quote from: fulhamhistorian on June 16, 2014, 10:43:32 PM
John Arne Riise says that the Fulham manager did not have the guts to tell Hangeland that he did not want him anymore and told Brede by email instead. Is this true?
Read the thread you just posted in and the answer will reveal itself.
Quote from: love4ffc on June 07, 2014, 05:38:08 AM
Let him go he can help them get relegated
Let's hope you're right. Unfortunately, there's seems to be plenty of dross in contention for the relegation places next season. Although there's plenty of £ still to be spent, Sunderland, Villa, Palace, WBA must be seriously worried. I'm not sure Leicester & Burnley will have deep enough squads to survive?
Quote from: love4ffc on June 07, 2014, 06:12:18 AM
It is true JAR is addicted to social media. Who in the right mind would post a picture like this?! I mean look where his brother's hand is! that's just not right.
(http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/JA-Riise.png)
Gay and proud...
The truth will come out one day and shame on everyone who jumped down the clubs throat and believed we just got rid of him by e mail and believe yet again more bullpoo from the media.
I have been told the full story and as much as I liked Hangeland, it has left his time with us to be soured a little bit.
He has been a great player and great servant just a massive shame the way it ended.
But we move on, we all just need to remember , unless a player has stood on our terraces and supported the team, they will never have our passion and commitment .
Players come and go, us fans are here for life
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 17, 2014, 07:34:05 AM
The truth will come out one day and shame on everyone who jumped down the clubs throat and believed we just got rid of him by e mail and believe yet again more bullpoo from the media.
I have been told the full story and as much as I liked Hangeland, it has left his time with us to be soured a little bit.
He has been a great player and great servant just a massive shame the way it ended.
But we move on, we all just need to remember , unless a player has stood on our terraces and supported the team, they will never have our passion and commitment .
Players come and go, us fans are here for life
:plus one:
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 17, 2014, 07:34:05 AM
The truth will come out one day and shame on everyone who jumped down the clubs throat and believed we just got rid of him by e mail and believe yet again more bullpoo from the media.
I have been told the full story and as much as I liked Hangeland, it has left his time with us to be soured a little bit.
He has been a great player and great servant just a massive shame the way it ended.
But we move on, we all just need to remember , unless a player has stood on our terraces and supported the team, they will never have our passion and commitment .
Players come and go, us fans are here for life
...all true, it just suits some peoples personal agendas to believe otherwise...
Does your "full story" mention Hangeland's views on how FFC is developing ? He was entitled to his opinion on FFC management and he then acted correctly within the terms of his contract - as did FFC
Quote from: Baszab on June 17, 2014, 08:19:56 AM
Does your "full story" mention Hangeland's views on how FFC is developing ? He was entitled to his opinion on FFC management and he then acted correctly within the terms of his contract - as did FFC
Not sure what your point is, of course he's entitled to his opinions, but that's all they are, his opinions, don't mean he's correct in the way he went about things and as for quoting "does your"full story" " is suggesting to me you don't believe me ?
Like I said, we move on , the club have been vindicated , we thank Brede for his time with us.
Lets Hope Shaun Hutchinson comes in and does at least half as well as Brede had
The club has also shown a lack of passion and commitment over several seasons. Whatever the true story is, the club dealt with it poorly. Trust no one.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
The club has also shown a lack of passion and commitment over several seasons. Whatever the true story is, the club dealt with it poorly. Trust no one.
I'm not talking about how well run the club has been run these last few years, my point is what happened concerning Brede and how the club jumped down the clubs throat when only hearing through the press what bredes agent was saying.
So not sure how you can say the club dealt with it poorly?
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 17, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
The club has also shown a lack of passion and commitment over several seasons. Whatever the true story is, the club dealt with it poorly. Trust no one.
I'm not talking about how well run the club has been run these last few years, my point is what happened concerning Brede and how the club jumped down the clubs throat when only hearing through the press what bredes agent was saying.
So not sure how you can say the club dealt with it poorly?
I think the fact that it was perceived in the way it was proved that the club were not on top of the situation. The club have a version of events that differ from the original story. My point about the way the club has been run and the way many fans found it easy to believe Brede's version of events I don't think were unconnected.
Maybe the club didn't wanna stir crap up against the former captain? Then the player comes out and says his bit so they were then forced to say something.
Getting pretty bored of the club always being at fault for everything ever - yes the club have screwed up at various points this season, but not everything bad has happened because of embarrassing mismanagement at the top. The players have been at fault too, and at times our anger or disappointment needs to be solely on the players, not the higher ups.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 17, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
The club has also shown a lack of passion and commitment over several seasons. Whatever the true story is, the club dealt with it poorly. Trust no one.
I'm not talking about how well run the club has been run these last few years, my point is what happened concerning Brede and how the club jumped down the clubs throat when only hearing through the press what bredes agent was saying.
So not sure how you can say the club dealt with it poorly?
I think the fact that it was perceived in the way it was proved that the club were not on top of the situation. The club have a version of events that differ from the original story. My point about the way the club has been run and the way many fans found it easy to believe Brede's version of events I don't think were unconnected.
Alternatively it could be saying a lot about those `fans' who expect to see failures and conspiracies and alien abductions behind every event.
Quote from: God The Mechanic on June 17, 2014, 12:07:15 PM
Maybe the club didn't wanna stir crap up against the former captain? Then the player comes out and says his bit so they were then forced to say something.
Getting pretty bored of the club always being at fault for everything ever - yes the club have screwed up at various points this season, but not everything bad has happened because of embarrassing mismanagement at the top. The players have been at fault too, and at times our anger or disappointment needs to be solely on the players, not the higher ups.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on June 17, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 17, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
The club has also shown a lack of passion and commitment over several seasons. Whatever the true story is, the club dealt with it poorly. Trust no one.
I'm not talking about how well run the club has been run these last few years, my point is what happened concerning Brede and how the club jumped down the clubs throat when only hearing through the press what bredes agent was saying.
So not sure how you can say the club dealt with it poorly?
I think the fact that it was perceived in the way it was proved that the club were not on top of the situation. The club have a version of events that differ from the original story. My point about the way the club has been run and the way many fans found it easy to believe Brede's version of events I don't think were unconnected.
Alternatively it could be saying a lot about those `fans' who expect to see failures and conspiracies and alien abductions behind every event.
It says that they are usually right. Everything from Kennedy assassination to Hillsborough are full of people believing in the official story they are told at the time. It helps to doubt everything. That way you are not surprised when some green alien with three eyes and a lisp starts probing you.
Interesting though about the Alien. Mind you it may not be little it may be like Paul
Quote from: Berserker on June 17, 2014, 06:04:34 PM
Interesting though about the Alien. Mind you it may not be little it may be like Paul
It most definitely is not little.
........Wait. Were you speaking of the alien? Or the probe?
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 17, 2014, 07:30:22 PM
Quote from: Berserker on June 17, 2014, 06:04:34 PM
Interesting though about the Alien. Mind you it may not be little it may be like Paul
It most definitely is not little.
........Wait. Were you speaking of the alien? Or the probe?
It makes sense that the probes are of a uniform size if they are probing humans. So whatever size the alien or aliens doing the probing are, the probe itself must be in proportion to the specie being probed. Now can we put this to bed or the bottom draw or wherever one puts probes nowadays.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on June 17, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 17, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
The club has also shown a lack of passion and commitment over several seasons. Whatever the true story is, the club dealt with it poorly. Trust no one.
I'm not talking about how well run the club has been run these last few years, my point is what happened concerning Brede and how the club jumped down the clubs throat when only hearing through the press what bredes agent was saying.
So not sure how you can say the club dealt with it poorly?
I think the fact that it was perceived in the way it was proved that the club were not on top of the situation. The club have a version of events that differ from the original story. My point about the way the club has been run and the way many fans found it easy to believe Brede's version of events I don't think were unconnected.
Alternatively it could be saying a lot about those `fans' who expect to see failures and conspiracies and alien abductions behind every event.
It says that they are usually right. Everything from Kennedy assassination to Hillsborough are full of people believing in the official story they are told at the time. It helps to doubt everything. That way you are not surprised when some green alien with three eyes and a lisp starts probing you.
These fans are not merely doubting everything. They are absolutely certain that if there is some distance between two stories, say between a player who is leaving and the club or an outside source and the club, that the club's version is dubious.
Similarly if the club buys a player he is too old, too young, not what we need, not good enough, etc. before most have had time to look the player up on Wikipedia.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on June 17, 2014, 10:02:17 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on June 17, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 17, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
The club has also shown a lack of passion and commitment over several seasons. Whatever the true story is, the club dealt with it poorly. Trust no one.
I'm not talking about how well run the club has been run these last few years, my point is what happened concerning Brede and how the club jumped down the clubs throat when only hearing through the press what bredes agent was saying.
So not sure how you can say the club dealt with it poorly?
I think the fact that it was perceived in the way it was proved that the club were not on top of the situation. The club have a version of events that differ from the original story. My point about the way the club has been run and the way many fans found it easy to believe Brede's version of events I don't think were unconnected.
Alternatively it could be saying a lot about those `fans' who expect to see failures and conspiracies and alien abductions behind every event.
It says that they are usually right. Everything from Kennedy assassination to Hillsborough are full of people believing in the official story they are told at the time. It helps to doubt everything. That way you are not surprised when some green alien with three eyes and a lisp starts probing you.
These fans are not merely doubting everything. They are absolutely certain that if there is some distance between two stories, say between a player who is leaving and the club or an outside source and the club, that the club's version is dubious.
Similarly if the club buys a player he is too old, too young, not what we need, not good enough, etc. before most have had time to look the player up on Wikipedia.
The next thing will be this board morphing into the QPR forum and become as deluded as they have been and still are, moaning why we are not trying to sign the likes of Jol Campbell on loan.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on June 18, 2014, 08:25:13 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on June 17, 2014, 10:02:17 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on June 17, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on June 17, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 17, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
The club has also shown a lack of passion and commitment over several seasons. Whatever the true story is, the club dealt with it poorly. Trust no one.
I'm not talking about how well run the club has been run these last few years, my point is what happened concerning Brede and how the club jumped down the clubs throat when only hearing through the press what bredes agent was saying.
So not sure how you can say the club dealt with it poorly?
I think the fact that it was perceived in the way it was proved that the club were not on top of the situation. The club have a version of events that differ from the original story. My point about the way the club has been run and the way many fans found it easy to believe Brede's version of events I don't think were unconnected.
Alternatively it could be saying a lot about those `fans' who expect to see failures and conspiracies and alien abductions behind every event.
It says that they are usually right. Everything from Kennedy assassination to Hillsborough are full of people believing in the official story they are told at the time. It helps to doubt everything. That way you are not surprised when some green alien with three eyes and a lisp starts probing you.
These fans are not merely doubting everything. They are absolutely certain that if there is some distance between two stories, say between a player who is leaving and the club or an outside source and the club, that the club's version is dubious.
Similarly if the club buys a player he is too old, too young, not what we need, not good enough, etc. before most have had time to look the player up on Wikipedia.
The next thing will be this board morphing into the QPR forum and become as deluded as they have been and still are, moaning why we are not trying to sign the likes of Jol Campbell on loan.
I think I believe in alien probing more than I can believe a Fulham Fan admitting he reads the QPR Forums. Weird World.
Is Jol Campbell the son of Martin Jol and Naomi Campbell?
If so is his half brother Martin Naomi
