"His professional capability and man management is on the lowest level I've ever experienced"
Dosent sound to good does it.
It could be sour grapes as he hardly ever played under Magath. It also doesn't seem like you win what Magath has with no professional capability.
Unhappy player, not picked by manager slags him off shock
a few more
"We never knew what the plan was when we showed up for practice, who was in start XI, and didn't train tactics before game"
"My resistance grew day for day. If I haven't had a contract I would've quit on the spot. No one deserves a coach like Magath"
"At one time a teammate got to decide the content of the practice before an important game. Because it was his birthday"
Would be interesting to hear Magath's thoughts on Kvist!
Quote from: Yarden on July 04, 2014, 08:51:00 AM
"His professional capability and man management is on the lowest level I've ever experienced"
Dosent sound to good does it.
I suppose his professionalism and man management counts for nothing as he has 3 Bundesliga titles under his belt, 2 cups, and 4 great escapes. Oh, and he's single handedly managed players like Lahn and Dzeko from a young age to the players they are today, both hard working and committed.
Sour grapes at the highest level me thinks.
Quote from: JTH on July 04, 2014, 09:11:21 AM
a few more
"We never knew what the plan was when we showed up for practice, who was in start XI, and didn't train tactics before game"
"My resistance grew day for day. If I haven't had a contract I would've quit on the spot. No one deserves a coach like Magath"
"At one time a teammate got to decide the content of the practice before an important game. Because it was his birthday"
Perhaps he should have just given the player a birthday cake instead. Actually sounds like a bit of a light hearted way to ease any pressure they would have been under.
Quote from: Tonywa on July 04, 2014, 09:17:02 AM
Would be interesting to hear Magath's thoughts on Kvist!
Crap, lightweight, slow, pretty average
Rich from Kvist, every time he pulled on the shirt he was so out of touch with the pace of the premiership. I seem to recall him losing possession a great number of times and putting the defence in difficult positions on several occasions when he played.
Quote from: Luffy86 on July 04, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
Rich from Kvist, every time he pulled on the shirt he was so out of touch with the pace of the premiership. I seem to recall him losing possession a great number of times and putting the defence in difficult positions on several occasions when he played.
I forgot to add, 'always lost possession'.
Quote from: JTH on July 04, 2014, 09:11:21 AM
a few more
"We never knew what the plan was when we showed up for practice, who was in start XI, and didn't train tactics before game"
He was just angry because he knew he wasn't going to be in the starting 11
"My resistance grew day for day. If I haven't had a contract I would've quit on the spot. No one deserves a coach like Magath"
Sounds like a attitude problem
"At one time a teammate got to decide the content of the practice before an important game. Because it was his birthday"
Hardly sounds like a manger who has been called a dictator
Quote from: JTH on July 04, 2014, 09:11:21 AM
"At one time a teammate got to decide the content of the practice before an important game. Because it was his birthday"
hope nobody tells Yaya Toure
Quote from: elgreenio on July 04, 2014, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: JTH on July 04, 2014, 09:11:21 AM
"At one time a teammate got to decide the content of the practice before an important game. Because it was his birthday"
hope nobody tells Yaya Toure
I think we should ring him tell him he's guaranted player of the season, a birthday cake, the crowd will sing happy birthday at the closet home game and will get to choose training on his birthday. and if hes happy to take a 180k a week drop in wages we could be on a winner
I must admit I am getting very confused. Evil dictator swans off for the day before big game because he has a birthday?
Evil manager doesn't tell players who is in the team so they can relax and take day off.
Player would have quit but he thought it best to honour his contract because that after all is what they all do.
We have heard all about people not liking him before. Seems very odd now to retread all this. We don't care as knowing Fulham, he will be sacked the day after the transfer window closes.
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Sounds like a WUM, the very fact kvist didnt feature under Felix means he has to throw his toys out the pram, grow up mate and move on.
I wouldn't discard this as sour grapes personally. Kvist has a good track record and always came across as a role model professional.... Not saying it should be believed but I'd imagine there's at least some truth.
Quote from: elgreenio on July 04, 2014, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: JTH on July 04, 2014, 09:11:21 AM
"At one time a teammate got to decide the content of the practice before an important game. Because it was his birthday"
hope nobody tells Yaya Toure
Hahaha! Post of the day.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
I wouldn't discard this as sour grapes personally. Kvist has a good track record and always came across as a role model professional.... Not saying it should be believed but I'd imagine there's at least some truth.
I would be highly surprised if this is sour grapes. Kvist has always been a consummate professional, come across as considered, intelligent and thoughtful with his views.
We've all heard rumours about players not liking Magath before. Personally, he hasn't shown me anything whilst in charge of Fulham that suggests he's the right man for the job. In fact, our worst performance of the season (Stoke) was under his management. I think it's only the matter of time before he's found out and we all turn on him and want his head. Let's see where we are in 6 months.
Quote from: Pluto on July 04, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
I wouldn't discard this as sour grapes personally. Kvist has a good track record and always came across as a role model professional.... Not saying it should be believed but I'd imagine there's at least some truth.
I would be highly surprised if this is sour grapes. Kvist has always been a consummate professional, come across as considered, intelligent and thoughtful with his views.
We've all heard rumours about players not liking Magath before. Personally, he hasn't shown me anything whilst in charge of Fulham that suggests he's the right man for the job. In fact, our worst performance of the season (Stoke) was under his management. I think it's only the matter of time before he's found out and we all turn on him and want his head. Let's see where we are in 6 months.
Sorry I worded that wrong...I meant to say I don't think this is our grapes...I'm in agreement here....I can see I contradicted myself in one sentence ha
I think you would get the same opinion on Magath from Sidwell Hangeland Duff Riether and others
What managers are professional? I would say none. I wouldn't want someone professional. I want someone with fire who goes in the changing room and kicks off massively when the team are playing rubbish. Sir Alex throws boots around in the changing rooms, that is not professional, but he was one of the best managers around.
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on July 04, 2014, 10:54:20 AM
What managers are professional? I would say none. I wouldn't want someone professional. I want someone with fire who goes in the changing room and kicks off massively when the team are playing rubbish. Sir Alex throws boots around in the changing rooms, that is not professional, but he was one of the best managers around.
He also upset a large number of highly talented consummate professionals, if he took a dislike to a player, for whatever reason then their time was up. Not sure how much a players view on a manager and his style is valuable current/ex its more about whether the team is a TEAM on the pitch and players give 110% the rest is in the lap of the gods and string a run of results together to imbue the team with confidence.
Quote from: Baszab on July 04, 2014, 10:50:15 AM
I think you would get the same opinion on Magath from Sidwell Hangeland Duff Riether and others
Duff has not said a bad word about him or the club. Absolute professional there, no running off to have a moan about things.
Lets remember that Kvist and Brede are mates.
Quote from: MJG on July 04, 2014, 11:06:14 AM
Quote from: Baszab on July 04, 2014, 10:50:15 AM
I think you would get the same opinion on Magath from Sidwell Hangeland Duff Riether and others
Duff has not said a bad word about him or the club. Absolute professional there, no running off to have a moan about things.
Lets remember that Kvist and Brede are mates.
Exactly. I think Kvist is the non-professional here.
This day and age its all about man management, something I'm afraid I don't feel Felix has got.
Players are too pampered in this day and age .
In today's games, you get coaches who coach and managers who manage, that's not just about picking a team but making each player feel they are better than what the actually are to get the most out of them
Quote from: Admin on July 04, 2014, 09:22:03 AM
Quote from: Yarden on July 04, 2014, 08:51:00 AM
"His professional capability and man management is on the lowest level I've ever experienced"
Dosent sound to good does it.
I suppose his professionalism and man management counts for nothing as he has 3 Bundesliga titles under his belt, 2 cups, and 4 great escapes. Oh, and he's single handedly managed players like Lahn and Dzeko from a young age to the players they are today, both hard working and committed.
Sour grapes at the highest level me thinks.
Look up Jol's record pre Fulham and you will see that the past means absolutely sweet FA
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 04, 2014, 10:13:46 AM
I must admit I am getting very confused. Evil dictator swans off for the day before big game because he has a birthday?
Evil manager doesn't tell players who is in the team so they can relax and take day off.
Player would have quit but he thought it best to honour his contract because that after all is what they all do.
We have heard all about people not liking him before. Seems very odd now to retread all this. We don't care as knowing Fulham, he will be sacked the day after the transfer window closes.
One of the jouno's who put these quotes on twitter made it look different to you on one point. He said that one of the players took training, because it was his birthday. As in , it was the players birthday. So maybe what really happened is Magath gave a player the chance to run some sort of session for a laugh after the normal training session ? If so , then it really isn't that unique. Has happened alot with other players at other clubs
It's hard to believe that Felix would have achieved what he has in the game, or have any sort of reputation, if he was as shambolic as the article suggests.
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 04, 2014, 11:18:04 AM
Players are too pampered in this day and age .
Well, they certainly won't be pampered while Magath is their boss. That's one thing about him that you can be glad about.
I keep reading people saying that Kvist is a consummate professional, but surely this proves otherwise...? Going out of his way to bad mouth a former colleague doesn't strike me as an action from someone with terrific work ethic.
Quote from: Pluto on July 04, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
I wouldn't discard this as sour grapes personally. Kvist has a good track record and always came across as a role model professional.... Not saying it should be believed but I'd imagine there's at least some truth.
I would be highly surprised if this is sour grapes. Kvist has always been a consummate professional, come across as considered, intelligent and thoughtful with his views.
We've all heard rumours about players not liking Magath before. Personally, he hasn't shown me anything whilst in charge of Fulham that suggests he's the right man for the job. In fact, our worst performance of the season (Stoke) was under his management. I think it's only the matter of time before he's found out and we all turn on him and want his head. Let's see where we are in 6 months.
"Lets see where we are in 6 months"
I remember countless posts about Jol saying this at the start of last season. 'Lets see where we are at Xmas' is the biggest kiss of death ever. I am on the record as saying I don't think Magath is the right manager to take us back up but I guess we will know by Xmas. :Get Coat gif:
Quote from: the nutflush on July 04, 2014, 12:35:58 PM
Quote from: Pluto on July 04, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
I wouldn't discard this as sour grapes personally. Kvist has a good track record and always came across as a role model professional.... Not saying it should be believed but I'd imagine there's at least some truth.
I would be highly surprised if this is sour grapes. Kvist has always been a consummate professional, come across as considered, intelligent and thoughtful with his views.
We've all heard rumours about players not liking Magath before. Personally, he hasn't shown me anything whilst in charge of Fulham that suggests he's the right man for the job. In fact, our worst performance of the season (Stoke) was under his management. I think it's only the matter of time before he's found out and we all turn on him and want his head. Let's see where we are in 6 months.
"Lets see where we are in 6 months"
I remember countless posts about Jol saying this at the start of last season. 'Lets see where we are at Xmas' is the biggest kiss of death ever. I am on the record as saying I don't think Magath is the right manager to take us back up but I guess we will know by Xmas. :Get Coat gif:
I'm hoping you read my other quote as I made a typo and came down on the wrong side of my argument....Im with you and dont think he's the right man. Just like I didn't think he was the right man to keep us up last season...As for soemones comment about questioing his professionalism, he's left a number of clubs and never doen this before. Food for thought...Maybe, Magath's professionalism is in question and Kvist is giving an a trutful insight to it...or its sour grapes...
Quote from: Baszab on July 04, 2014, 12:41:20 PM
The word is he has 10 games
It was Amoriebieta's birthday
Where did you hear that , I doubt that very much
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 04, 2014, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 04, 2014, 12:41:20 PM
The word is he has 10 games
It was Amoriebieta's birthday
Where did you hear that , I doubt that very much
Probably knows someone In The Know
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2014, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: the nutflush on July 04, 2014, 12:35:58 PM
Quote from: Pluto on July 04, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
I wouldn't discard this as sour grapes personally. Kvist has a good track record and always came across as a role model professional.... Not saying it should be believed but I'd imagine there's at least some truth.
I would be highly surprised if this is sour grapes. Kvist has always been a consummate professional, come across as considered, intelligent and thoughtful with his views.
We've all heard rumours about players not liking Magath before. Personally, he hasn't shown me anything whilst in charge of Fulham that suggests he's the right man for the job. In fact, our worst performance of the season (Stoke) was under his management. I think it's only the matter of time before he's found out and we all turn on him and want his head. Let's see where we are in 6 months.
"Lets see where we are in 6 months"
I remember countless posts about Jol saying this at the start of last season. 'Lets see where we are at Xmas' is the biggest kiss of death ever. I am on the record as saying I don't think Magath is the right manager to take us back up but I guess we will know by Xmas. :Get Coat gif:
I'm hoping you read my other quote as I made a typo and came down on the wrong side of my argument....Im with you and dont think he's the right man. Just like I didn't think he was the right man to keep us up last season...As for soemones comment about questioing his professionalism, he's left a number of clubs and never doen this before. Food for thought...Maybe, Magath's professionalism is in question and Kvist is giving an a trutful insight to it...or its sour grapes...
I completely agree but Jol had already been in charge a while by the start of last season, whereas Magath hasn't had the chance to "build a team yet". Do I think he's the man to bring us back up? No chance. I would be amazed if he lasts the whole season and we get promoted.
I would like to add that it might not even be Magath's fault if we don't go up. Its a real crap shot in that league!!!
I find it strange though that from every club he has been in, there has been massive critique on magath from players, backstaff or even the board or owners..... now its starting here as well and not many takes this into consideration and instead gives Kvist critic instead, what if he is right and Magath do run this club into the gutter of Championship as well?
Many here said before end of last season that what is Magath's plan on the game the team looks weird or why did he start? why not him? etc, Kvist tells about something happening from the inside and now hes the bad guy.
I dont mean to be an ahole here now, but I wonder what you guys will say IF Magath do run us further down into the gutter.
I want to believe in Magath as well, I hope he does well with us but when he came he said "I want to have controll on the sideline, and I will be active on the sideline" Not ONCE have I seen him on the sideline giving orders to the players, but instead sits in hes chair for 90 minutes laughing with hes assistant.
I hope I get proven wrong on all this and that it will be a new start with positive outcomes, winning matches.
I think there's probably a strong element of truth to all this, but you know what? I don't care. What our players needed when Felix came in was a terrific kick up the bum and they got it. Ultimately it was too little too late, but there we go.
I'll reserve proper judgement on Felix's methods until he's had a proper run at the job, but we'd do well not to forget that he's won the Bundesliga three times in the last decade. How many other treble-winners of one of Europe's big three leagues would be willing to coach Fulham in the Championship? His record says a lot.
Well said BMJ - much as I found Magath's tactics and attitude to the players a bit weird - and there was a lot of private moaning about him last year - he's proven to be a damn good manager in Germany and the best we could hope for (at the moment !)
he was mediocre here and irregularly error prone. a waste of time for both parties. it is a strange situation but it will only get stranger as the team is deservedly dismantled.
My only comment would be that we did see a significant drop off in the level of play the last 3 matches of the season. Some of our poorer performances of the season when we needed our best efforts. It was suggested by Magath it was stress on the players but it felt like some of the players had quit on the team. Perhaps what Kvist said is true, but airing it out in public is not what a professional does.
Quote from: K33NY on July 04, 2014, 01:02:50 PM
I find it strange though that from every club he has been in, there has been massive critique on magath from players, backstaff or even the board or owners..... now its starting here as well and not many takes this into consideration and instead gives Kvist critic instead, what if he is right and Magath do run this club into the gutter of Championship as well?
Many here said before end of last season that what is Magath's plan on the game the team looks weird or why did he start? why not him? etc, Kvist tells about something happening from the inside and now hes the bad guy.
I dont mean to be an ahole here now, but I wonder what you guys will say IF Magath do run us further down into the gutter.
I want to believe in Magath as well, I hope he does well with us but when he came he said "I want to have controll on the sideline, and I will be active on the sideline" Not ONCE have I seen him on the sideline giving orders to the players, but instead sits in hes chair for 90 minutes laughing with hes assistant.
I hope I get proven wrong on all this and that it will be a new start with positive outcomes, winning matches.
You should look up where his former clubs are now. Last season Schalke finished 3rd and Wolfsburg 5th. He didn't run them down into the gutter.
It is very easy: if you don't like hard work you don't like Felix.
William who???? Jee give the man credit 3 bundeliga titles two cups, and what exactly is it the Kvist has won?? Sour grapes from an average player. Get your money on Germany to win the World Cup and Fulham to go up as Champions at 10/1 with a saviour at 3/1 to go up anyway. Maggie will provide the results. He is too good not to.
Blin....all the way.....go.
Probably a lot of truth in this. Have any of our current or former players come out and said what a great coach he is, a great man manger and a fantastic tactician?
It's not that Magath's too hard on the players and giving them a kick up the backside that worries me. It's more the quotes on not training tactics and not having any kind of plan for games. We've seen that first hand while he's been charge and it was only getting worse towards the end of the season.
I think you guys need to wake up a bit to be honest. How many senior players have come out and said how disillusioned they were now? Players widely regarded as consummate professionals have gone completely against character in speaking out against this guy, such is the ill feeling towards him. Add to that a reputation of upsetting players and the fact no player has come out and said anything even remotely in support of Magath and I have no reason to doubt any of Kvist's claims.
I saw some quotes attributed to Parker saying good things. Perhaps Felix got ob some of the lazy, non producers and they took umbrage at it. Time will tell.
Do you know Kvist personally Pluto? Can you vouch for him 100%?
I'm sure i read an interview with Parker where he said he had a long chat with Felix and said he had very strong ideas and views and looked forward to this season, which indicates the semblance of some sort of tactical game plan. Whether its the right one we will see in our final proper game before the season starts against Crawley in 2 weeks.
Why/How would a manager who has achieved so much in the game, an ex-top player, come to a foreign league, where he is presumably very keen to do well, and display complete cluelessness in tactics, and man management, and act as if he couldn't give a monkey's?
Quote from: RaySmith on July 04, 2014, 08:44:01 PM
Why/How would a manager who has achieved so much in the game, an ex-top player, come to a foreign league, where he is presumably very keen to do well, and display complete cluelessness in tactics, and man management, and act as if he couldn't give a monkey's?
Well Martin Jol fits that bill. Let's hope Felix proves to be more successful.
Quote from: Oakeshott on July 04, 2014, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on July 04, 2014, 08:44:01 PM
Why/How would a manager who has achieved so much in the game, an ex-top player, come to a foreign league, where he is presumably very keen to do well, and display complete cluelessness in tactics, and man management, and act as if he couldn't give a monkey's?
Well Martin Jol fits that bill. Let's hope Felix proves to be more successful.
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Quote from: blingo on July 04, 2014, 08:18:20 PM
Do you know Kvist personally Pluto? Can you vouch for him 100%?
No, he's s speculating like the rest of us but I have to admit that in my darker moments I share some of his concerns,
I fall in Pluto's and Nutflush's camp on this one. Maybe it is a bit of sour grapes. Maybe, though, it's a bit of honesty from a frustrated player who now can't be harmed by him.
Maybe Felix works on a "need to know" basis.
If Kvist was not in his inner circle of players - he did not need to be told.
How many will admit they are wrong when Maggie produces a very good team?
Quote from: blingo on July 05, 2014, 09:06:54 AM
How many will admit they are wrong when Maggie produces a very good team?
He has jumped the first hurdle - he will not be playing the old team.
So maybe that could be seen as a good start
Lots of interesting opinions there both positive and negative on Felix. Who knows what goes on behind the closed doors at Motspur park? I don't and we all speculate like we do but the bottom line is; Dan Burn. left footed centre back. played at right back
And regarding his man management, Kvist may be bitter but I spoke to an ex player that loves the club and he said that Felix is twice the idiot than Jol was. I'm worried but I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: leonffc on July 05, 2014, 07:04:01 PM
........but I spoke to an ex player that loves the club and he said that Felix is twice the idiot than Jol was. I'm worried but I hope I'm wrong.
Thanks Leon, that's lovely....now I am worried too. It has me thinking that maybe the style that won him titles in the Bundesliga, may not translate well England.
so was it Brede :P did you ask him why he was poo all through the last season? ;)
All speculation for now . I look forward to the competitive games after the pre-season then I will make a judgement . Any manager who gets a full pre-season ( especially after having had a few games end of the season to look at the current squad ) will stand or fall on his results . I hope Magath succeeds . Jol failed . Rene was never really given a chance ( especially as he effectively was no longer his own man as soon as he was crowded out by Wilkins and Curbishly )
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He may be Leon but he is an idiot with 3 bundesliga titles and two cups under his belt, scored the winner in the Europa Cup and played in two World Cups. The ex player has won what exactly?
Glenn Hoddle was Mercurial with a ball but he hated spastics and his man management was shite.
As I said, I hope Felix is good but there's a lot of stories about him and let's face it, his methods were good years ago. Football has changed. These days it's more about massaging egos than running people into the ground (right or wrong). Oh and Dan Burn did play at right back. I notice none of your brilliant come backs included a come back on that
It was a wrong move Leon, but if I am not mistaken, before the Stoke game 10 of our player were down with some bug, so there was an element of who have we got left that is fit. That does not excuse Maggie, but he knew we were a lost cause then because our players did not believe. The clear out shows what he thought of a lot of them and as he said. If they are not prepared to bleed for FFC they can go. None of us are perfect or always make the right decisions (unless ur name is Mrs Blingo) lol but I think he will surprise a lot of teams in the Championship and we will go up at the first time of asking ;)
