Never really made up my mind whether I liked Hodgson's management skills - far too negative football for my liking. However, if he is considering leaving he should go as soon as possible. I have been 100% Fulham for nearly 60 years and that is what I want from manager and players. Anything less is not good for the Club.
Welcome to the board Bradstow.
I think that's a bit of a strong opinion Bradstow. These players and managers are not necessarily supporters of the club, they are just people trying to earn a living. If a better challenge, career advancement or a big payrise came your way would you take it? I assume that you would, it's common sense.
Our desire for players to play for us isn't enough to swing their choices.
No offence Bradstow but this seems like a massive overreaction.
Calling into question his management style is also unnecessary. He may be more defensive but for a club like fulham to get to a MAJOR EUROPEAN FINAL we need defensive solidity. A team of our size could never outgun the likes of Shakhtar and Juve.
If he goes, he goes, but I will still think of him as the best Fulham manager ever, bar none.
Welcome to the board though!
He has done a superb job for us and I hope he stays.
If he goes though my concern, solely, will be how that impacts on us and who we can get to replace him.
He's entitled to leave and I wouldn't blame him for taking the Liverpool job but (and I'm not proud of this) I'd be hoping that he falls flat on his face and bitterly regrets leaving a job that was perfect for him.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on June 16, 2010, 11:27:43 AM
He has done a superb job for us and I hope he stays.
If he goes though my concern, solely, will be how that impacts on us and who we can get to replace him.
He's entitled to leave and I wouldn't blame him for taking the Liverpool job but (and I'm not proud of this) I'd be hoping that he falls flat on his face and bitterly regrets leaving a job that was perfect for him.
good old schadenfreude!
I would wish him all the best. There is also potential for him to fail at liverpool then rescue Fulham from relegation (again).
I find it slightly sad that our manager has said nothing and seems willing to leave if a better job comes along. Loyalty sadly has died and left many years ago. But I also think we can look forward to a new manager if Roy does leave. I will say again that Roy was our best manager ever but we have an old squad and a defensive side so change is coming with or without Roy.
I am sure Big Al and his advisers will have sorted out our next manager if Roy jumps ship. Loyalty though is for us but not for them.
Sad Beambonce? He may not have had an opportunity considering he's out in SA doing punditry.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 16, 2010, 12:12:02 PM
I find it slightly sad that our manager has said nothing and seems willing to leave if a better job comes along.
I see "nothing said" as a positive sign. Why add to speculation and gossip, it's just not his way.
Quote from: The Equalizer on June 16, 2010, 12:43:02 PM
Sad Beambonce? He may not have had an opportunity considering he's out in SA doing punditry.
He's going today, been in the UK up until now.
Bugger.
I have upmost respect for Roy, and appreciate how far he has taken this club in such a short period of time on a limited budget. For a club such as ours to reach a major European final, when only 2 seasons ago we were tittering on the brink of relegation is quite remarkable, and I would have considered it an impossibility when Roy joined the club. RH has done wonders for Fulham, and the clubs standing amongst Europe's elite, and for that I simply cannot find it within myself to dislike or question Roy's motives or the man himself, however, the situation in regards to Liverpool is becoming increasingly tedious.
Up to now, Roy has been faultless when conducting himself with the media and fans, however for the benefit of the club and it's supporters he should come out and clarify his standing concerning the perceived interest in the Liverpool job (or not as the case may be). The longer this drags on, the uncertainty amongst the fans and the players, aswell as everyone involved within the club will grow. It's all very unsettling. I feel if he were to leave now, he would have undoubtedly left the club 'in the lurch'. The fact that he (Roy) has chosen to remain silent suggests to me that he is almost certainly considering his position at the club, should Liverpool attempt to 'poach' him from us as has been reported by the media, but I find everything surrounding this fiasco very tiresome and very un-nerving. Whether Roy is (as it appears) considering leaving the club, or if he (as i hope) intends to stay if/when approached he should just say so, the fact that this story has lingered for so long, when the club should be looking to kick on from last season, is very irritating, and also indicates a great lack of respect on Liverpool's behalf. This is why club's such as ourselves may never establish themselves within the PL's/Europe's elite, as the larger and more fashionable clubs are allowed to continuously cherrypick our outstanding assets year after year. Why the f*ck should we have to disrupt our plans for the upcoming season, waiting for Liverpool to make a decision in regards to our manager.
I may be misinterpreting the situation, but from what I can see, it doesn't look good, and it appears as though either Roy or Liverpool maybe f*cking us around. I hope Im wrong however, and my views represent nothing more than wild assumptions born out of frustation.
I must say I echo your sentiments Mr Badger
There can be no doubt that Roy's silence means at the very least that he's open to an offer from Liverpool.
What we don't know is whether there have been serious or any negotiations. My hunch is that for all the press speculation Liverpool either haven't decided or have another target in mind. Roy may therefore feel that he has nothing to deny whilst hoping that an approach may be made and keeping his options open.
If Liverpool want Hodgson and he's itching to go I don't understand why the marriage hasn't been consummated and a public announcement made. The object of Liverpool's desire is about to board a plane heading south.
Quote from: FFCBadger on June 16, 2010, 02:25:00 PM
I have upmost respect for Roy, and appreciate how far he has taken this club in such a short period of time on a limited budget. For a club such as ours to reach a major European final, when only 2 seasons ago we were tittering on the brink of relegation is quite remarkable, and I would have considered it an impossibility when Roy joined the club. RH has done wonders for Fulham, and the clubs standing amongst Europe's elite, and for that I simply cannot find it within myself to dislike or question Roy's motives or the man himself, however, the situation in regards to Liverpool is becoming increasingly tedious.
Up to now, Roy has been faultless when conducting himself with the media and fans, however for the benefit of the club and it's supporters he should come out and clarify his standing concerning the perceived interest in the Liverpool job (or not as the case may be). The longer this drags on, the uncertainty amongst the fans and the players, aswell as everyone involved within the club will grow. It's all very unsettling. I feel if he were to leave now, he would have undoubtedly left the club 'in the lurch'. The fact that he (Roy) has chosen to remain silent suggests to me that he is almost certainly considering his position at the club, should Liverpool attempt to 'poach' him from us as has been reported by the media, but I find everything surrounding this fiasco very tiresome and very un-nerving. Whether Roy is (as it appears) considering leaving the club, or if he (as i hope) intends to stay if/when approached he should just say so, the fact that this story has lingered for so long, when the club should be looking to kick on from last season, is very irritating, and also indicates a great lack of respect on Liverpool's behalf. This is why club's such as ourselves may never establish themselves within the PL's/Europe's elite, as the larger and more fashionable clubs are allowed to continuously cherrypick our outstanding assets year after year. Why the f*ck should we have to disrupt our plans for the upcoming season, waiting for Liverpool to make a decision in regards to our manager.
I may be misinterpreting the situation, but from what I can see, it doesn't look good, and it appears as though either Roy or Liverpool maybe f*cking us around. I hope Im wrong however, and my views represent nothing more than wild assumptions born out of frustation.
The way I read it is this:
Roy would consider the job at liverpool but needs to a) get offered the job and b) suss out the situation at the club.
The fact he has not come out and said anything is not suprising, if he was it would jeapordise his situation because all that anyone has heard so far is complete speculation. Roy does not comment on speculation (see any questions to him asking about signing players).
I don't think Roy owes anyone an explanation, if he goes, he goes a hero, if he stays, he stays a legend. I see the fact that he is not conducting his affairs in the press (a la Redknapp) as very honourable.
with everybody saying that he is staying,why can't he come out and say that himself? he must know what he is doing to the club and the fans and the fact he hasn't said he staying means he is atleast thinking about the Liverpool job.If he goes I want him to go in the next week,we have to get a replacement in as soon as possible,get them to "get to know" the players,the longer this goes on the more harm it will do to the club,and thats the ONLY thing that matters-the club :clap_hands:
Yeah, Roy has always handled himself with a great deal of dignity with regards to 'speculation', however, I believe that everyone wants this resolved one way or another. It would be ideal for Roy to come out and state his intentions - whether he plans to stay or not, rather than the club being left in limbo as it is now, with players reported to follow the manager out the door should Roy join the scousers.
It would be nice to know where the club stands for next season, because as it is, it's realistic to believe that the core of the squad maybe dismantled should Roy make for the exit, with the likes of Schwarzer, Konchesky Hangeland, Zamora and Gera all being strongly linked with moves away. If he came out now and said he was staying, I could be alot more optimistic towards our ambitions for next season.
1. Roy is not going to say or do anything during the World Cup that would be a distraction to the England squad or any individuals about their club teams.
2. I think Roy would like the England job more than Liverpool and is waiting to see if Cappello buggers it up and gets "resigned" before committing to anything.
3. I'm for playing "Rule, Britannia" before our World Cup matches instead of "God Save the Queen."
--Much more inspirational!
Quote from: LordNelson on June 16, 2010, 05:27:20 PM
3. I'm for playing "Rule, Britannia" before our World Cup matches instead of "God Save the Queen."
--Much more inspirational!
Amen to that Mr Nelson
( in a deep voice) "I'm with you Bradster" (welcome to the board BTW)
Fair wind to their collective arses :014:
has anyone thought that ffc might be keeping this quiet?
maybe they want a bit of compo from lfc.
If Roy had the tongue of Mourinho, his desires would be public knowledge long ago. The WC is messing everything up by delaying news on Roy and possibly a last minute scramble for new signings after a replacement is brought in. Hopefully Al Fayed has plans B and C.
Quote from: TheDon on June 16, 2010, 06:59:55 PM
has anyone thought that ffc might be keeping this quiet?
maybe they want a bit of compo from lfc.
£2million was one rumor. A pittance.
Rule Brittania? Surely it has to be Land of Hope and Glory? You sailors do stick together lol. :dft011:
...err right, does that extend to players as well Bradstow? Anyway, the old national anthem argument begins to hi-jack the thread, I wish somebody would set these words by Bill Shakespeare to music:-
This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,--
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.
He doth have a way with words by sirrah...
There appears to be more speculation than fact, and more rumours than truth to much of what we have seen concerning the Liverpool and Roy link.
All I have read are headlines like: "Roy Hodgson still favourite for Liverpool job ahead of Kenny Dalglish" from the Guardian, with commentary such as: "However, despite Dalglish's desire for the job and his popularity, the Liverpool board's preference is for a manager in the game and with recent European experience, and Fulham's Hodgson remains their leading choice. The 62-year-old has been under consideration since Benítez's departure last week and although no official approach has been made to Fulham for their manager, who is on holiday, Liverpool are interested."
I have very little doubt that there are few clubs around the world that wouldn't jump at the chance of having Roy at the helm, especially those such as Liverpool, but to see posters start to slag off Roy because he hasn't said yes or no to a non-existent job offer, to my mind, seems to be both a little premature, and a little disrespectful to the man. He has been a great servant of the club in his (thus) short tenure, and deserves all the respect we can muster towards him. If he leaves, he would have done his job, if he stays then he will be welcome to take Fulham onward and upward, either way, my personal view of him as a coach, manager and overall person, will not be swayed.
I would rather see Roy keep his counsel quietly, than make rash statements that are either proved incorrect in the future, or might lead to a further press frenzy of speculation and uncertainty.
That's fair enough up to a point but the speculation has been strong and has been going on for long enough that Roy could kill it by simply saying that whatever might be said in the media he was committed to being at Fulham next season. If that's the case why not say it.
The silence, in my opinion, can only mean that he's open to offers. Of course we simply don't know whether he actually is in the frame for the Liverpool job.
Why on earth should the man make all his thoughts, hopes, desires and expectations a matter for public debate and dissection. When anyone is considering a change of position they don't advertise the fact to all and sundry and put notices in the local press. he has to consider his position carefully at his age and make the right decision. That will not be ameliorated by letting the world discuss it for him.
AND, to all those who thinks we own him or that he owes us something and that he has to take us into his confidence, I say you are delusional.
Managers come and managers go 'twas ever thus!
Again, you must realize by now that Roy is not going to make himself the center of some melodrama in the middle of the WORLD CUP!
Quote from: Bradstow on June 16, 2010, 05:08:48 AM
Never really made up my mind whether I liked Hodgson's management skills - far too negative football for my liking. However, if he is considering leaving he should go as soon as possible. I have been 100% Fulham for nearly 60 years and that is what I want from manager and players. Anything less is not good for the Club.
Loyalty and football - How quaint...
Nobody's a patch on that Lord Nelson. He's got his eye on the ball here and all of the rest of you are fully-armed, but locked, cocked and loaded in the wrong direction.
Nogood "not sure about ruling the bloody waves at a football match, though, isit" Boyo
P.S. First post? Call in the bugle boy, trumpeter.
