Sky sports just reported that we have had two bids for Costa Rican international, centre back Gonzalez rejected, but we are still in for him. Thoughts?
Would be good for me and bad as well. My local club Columbus Crew (of McBride stature) has a partnership of him and Parkhurst. The form drastically dropped off when he left for the World Cup. You know the feeling you got when watching Dembele Sr? That's the vibe I get from him. Would be a good move. This means some of our current center backs either Amoribieta or even Burn might be off.
It would be interesting to know if Bryan Ruiz would encourage his countryman to join Fulham, or warn him to stay away and avoid the inevitable criticism he'll get from some of the members on this message board.
Quote from: andersons11 on August 05, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Would be good for me and bad as well. My local club Columbus Crew (of McBride stature) has a partnership of him and Parkhurst. The form drastically dropped off when he left for the World Cup. You know the feeling you got when watching Dembele Sr? That's the vibe I get from him. Would be a good move. This means some of our current center backs either Amoribieta or even Burn might be off.
I'm a crew supporter as well and I see where you're coming from but I don't think he's good enough for Fulham. He's a slightly about average MLS defender (which isn't saying much). He's not especially good at anything but isn't bad at anything either. His performances at the world cup were far and away the best I've ever seen him play and he normally doesn't play that well for the crew. I don't think he'd be an improvement on Burn or Amoribieta, even for 2 million.
I have to agree with buckeyewhite. I was surprised how well he played at the WC, because he wasn't that great in the early part of the season with Columbus. He's fine for the MLS, but we already have just as good or better.
Quote from: buckeyewhite on August 05, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: andersons11 on August 05, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Would be good for me and bad as well. My local club Columbus Crew (of McBride stature) has a partnership of him and Parkhurst. The form drastically dropped off when he left for the World Cup. You know the feeling you got when watching Dembele Sr? That's the vibe I get from him. Would be a good move. This means some of our current center backs either Amoribieta or even Burn might be off.
I'm a crew supporter as well and I see where you're coming from but I don't think he's good enough for Fulham. He's a slightly about average MLS defender (which isn't saying much). He's not especially good at anything but isn't bad at anything either. His performances at the world cup were far and away the best I've ever seen him play and he normally doesn't play that well for the crew. I don't think he'd be an improvement on Burn or Amoribieta, even for 2 million.
What you say about Gonzalez could also be said to apply to Ruiz. He generally looks better for Costa Rica than for Fulham.
Also others such as Kacaniklic from reports seem to be in the same category.
Why should this be?
Quote from: andersons11 on August 05, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Would be good for me and bad as well. My local club Columbus Crew (of McBride stature) has a partnership of him and Parkhurst. The form drastically dropped off when he left for the World Cup. You know the feeling you got when watching Dembele Sr? That's the vibe I get from him. Would be a good move. This means some of our current center backs either Amoribieta or even Burn might be off.
Do you know his preferred side at the back?
If he's the bloke I'm thinking of he was impressive in the WC and I'd welcome him.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 05, 2014, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: buckeyewhite on August 05, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: andersons11 on August 05, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Would be good for me and bad as well. My local club Columbus Crew (of McBride stature) has a partnership of him and Parkhurst. The form drastically dropped off when he left for the World Cup. You know the feeling you got when watching Dembele Sr? That's the vibe I get from him. Would be a good move. This means some of our current center backs either Amoribieta or even Burn might be off.
I'm a crew supporter as well and I see where you're coming from but I don't think he's good enough for Fulham. He's a slightly about average MLS defender (which isn't saying much). He's not especially good at anything but isn't bad at anything either. His performances at the world cup were far and away the best I've ever seen him play and he normally doesn't play that well for the crew. I don't think he'd be an improvement on Burn or Amoribieta, even for 2 million.
What you say about Gonzalez could also be said to apply to Ruiz. He generally looks better for Costa Rica than for Fulham.
Also others such as Kacaniklic from reports seem to be in the same category.
Why should this be?
I think it has a lot to do with coaching and how the manager sets up his team. In Ruiz's case he's very much the focal point of the attack when he plays for Costa Rica which was never really the case at Fulham. I think he didn't excel at Fulham because Jol didn't set up his system of play in a way to be most effective for Ruiz personally. Getting the best out of Ruiz might not have been the best for Fulham whereas getting the best out of Ruiz was the best thing for Costa Rica. I think it's similar to this for a lot of players, especially players who excel for an average country during the world cup. Perhaps this is why so many clubs buy players who have a good world cup and then go on to not live up to expectations at their new club. In my opinion, the role that you want a player to fill should be considered just as much as the quality of the player when buying someone.
Quote from: PeterFFC on August 05, 2014, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: andersons11 on August 05, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Would be good for me and bad as well. My local club Columbus Crew (of McBride stature) has a partnership of him and Parkhurst. The form drastically dropped off when he left for the World Cup. You know the feeling you got when watching Dembele Sr? That's the vibe I get from him. Would be a good move. This means some of our current center backs either Amoribieta or even Burn might be off.
Do you know his preferred side at the back?
He plays on the right I believe, at least for the Crew
Hi guys, long time. I have to disagree with some opinions here, I do believe he has the quality to perform well in FFC, he's strong, tall, fast and intelligent.
Have you seen how many offside CR managed to achieve from their rivals in the WC? Well, he was the master mind behind the quick movement and perfect alignment the defensive line must have.
That's the level I know from him, haven't really followed him in the Crew though, but if he already did it at the most important scenario I'm sure he can do the same in the Championship.
COYW
Quote from: buckeyewhite on August 05, 2014, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: PeterFFC on August 05, 2014, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: andersons11 on August 05, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Would be good for me and bad as well. My local club Columbus Crew (of McBride stature) has a partnership of him and Parkhurst. The form drastically dropped off when he left for the World Cup. You know the feeling you got when watching Dembele Sr? That's the vibe I get from him. Would be a good move. This means some of our current center backs either Amoribieta or even Burn might be off.
Do you know his preferred side at the back?
He plays on the right I believe, at least for the Crew
Thanks. Was hoping he plays on the Left as Hutchinson looks very good on the right side so far.
Quote from: buckeyewhite on August 05, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on August 05, 2014, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: buckeyewhite on August 05, 2014, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: andersons11 on August 05, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Would be good for me and bad as well. My local club Columbus Crew (of McBride stature) has a partnership of him and Parkhurst. The form drastically dropped off when he left for the World Cup. You know the feeling you got when watching Dembele Sr? That's the vibe I get from him. Would be a good move. This means some of our current center backs either Amoribieta or even Burn might be off.
I'm a crew supporter as well and I see where you're coming from but I don't think he's good enough for Fulham. He's a slightly about average MLS defender (which isn't saying much). He's not especially good at anything but isn't bad at anything either. His performances at the world cup were far and away the best I've ever seen him play and he normally doesn't play that well for the crew. I don't think he'd be an improvement on Burn or Amoribieta, even for 2 million.
What you say about Gonzalez could also be said to apply to Ruiz. He generally looks better for Costa Rica than for Fulham.
Also others such as Kacaniklic from reports seem to be in the same category.
Why should this be?
I think it has a lot to do with coaching and how the manager sets up his team. In Ruiz's case he's very much the focal point of the attack when he plays for Costa Rica which was never really the case at Fulham. I think he didn't excel at Fulham because Jol didn't set up his system of play in a way to be most effective for Ruiz personally. Getting the best out of Ruiz might not have been the best for Fulham whereas getting the best out of Ruiz was the best thing for Costa Rica. I think it's similar to this for a lot of players, especially players who excel for an average country during the world cup. Perhaps this is why so many clubs buy players who have a good world cup and then go on to not live up to expectations at their new club. In my opinion, the role that you want a player to fill should be considered just as much as the quality of the player when buying someone.
Good points.
Ruiz did not seem to complement Berbatov unfortunately and it is not clear how he will fit in this season either. He is not a regular goalscorer to oust either Mitroglou or McCormack and he is not a strong enough worker to be placed ahead of either Woodrow in the forward line or David or Eisfeld in midfield.
Gonzalez is another odd choice from what posters are saying. Why are we looking at another right-sided defender when we need a defensive midfielder?
He's a quality player. For whatever reason, the Crew are not getting anywhere near the best from him. I'm not big on that team or its style of play, though I love their fans. Who else in the back likely lining up with him? Spanish speaking...? I think he'd jump to play with Bryan in London with the hope of promotion to the EPL. He's worth the risk.
The World Cup often throws up players who look good but are really not that much better than what we have. Ruiz looked a World Beater but struggled in the Prem. I tend to ignore players form in World Cups. It really doesn't tell the whole tale.
He he's played both sides as a center back, though lately he has been more right.
£2m is good money for a non-American in MLS, I'm surprised they're looking for more.
@MLSTransfers (https://twitter.com/MLSTransfers) is a decent account for aggregating MLS-related moves, for people who want to follow this.
Quote from: btings on August 06, 2014, 02:30:19 AM
£2m is good money for a non-American in MLS, I'm surprised they're looking for more.
You have to remember that the MLS fouls up a lot of transfers that would make sense for individual players. If the MLS thinks that a player has had a great WC then they are going to be expecting more for the player. Even if the player would do better served outside the MLS.
I think Ali Mac needs to get control of Felix, the one position we do not need to buy a player for is Central defender, especially an average one at that by all accounts. Why do we need another one when we have 5 players already competing for the 2 positions with another 2 knocking on the door?
Maybe Magath fancies playing 3-5-2.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on August 06, 2014, 09:10:44 AM
Maybe Magath fancies playing 3-5-2.
Said in another topic a few weeks ago I think this will be the formation.
Could Gonzalez play DM ?
He has tried Hoogland there
And we need a back up ( in my view we need an upgrade on ) for Parker !
We probably made this bid last week and then moved on to the Bulgarian we the 2 bids were rejected.
We no longer need anymore CDs so I am assuming that this is just old news.
Like other people have said, we need a GK and a CDM so these are probably our current targets.
Quote from: Riverside on August 06, 2014, 09:22:46 AM
Could Gonzalez play DM ?
He has tried Hoogland there
And we need a back up ( in my view we need an upgrade on ) for Parker !
Nah, I don't see that happening.
We should be trying to purchase Omar Gonzalez from LA Galaxy. His size and speed would be perfect for CL football.
Quote from: jags24 on August 06, 2014, 05:04:33 PM
We should be trying to purchase Omar Gonzalez from LA Galaxy. His size and speed would be perfect for CL football.
I don't think we want to pay for what MLS will want for him. Also, if MLS decided they would sell him, we'd end up in a bidding war with most of Liga MX, as he's a dual-national.
Anyone thinks this cud be to keep Bryan happy? Doesn't make much sense otherwise we are pretty solid at cb
I can't BELIEVE we are in for another CB as we seem well covered.
Why not stick to players who we have all heard of and know a little something about, I might as well support another club this year after being an ardent FFC supporter for nearly 50 years. The whole system has gone crazy, maybe it's because I am old now and don't believe in all this chopping and changing, not good for any team except those with all the money and reputation to attract the best players, so what have we achieved in the close season, oh yes got rid of most of our 1st team who couldn't be bothered (for whatever reason) and brought in some inferior hungrier players, we will see!
Quote from: davew on August 06, 2014, 09:40:18 PM
Why not stick to players who we have all heard of and know a little something about, I might as well support another club this year after being an ardent FFC supporter for nearly 50 years. The whole system has gone crazy, maybe it's because I am old now and don't believe in all this chopping and changing, not good for any team except those with all the money and reputation to attract the best players, so what have we achieved in the close season, oh yes got rid of most of our 1st team who couldn't be bothered (for whatever reason) and brought in some inferior hungrier players, we will see!
Pretty much the whole football world has heard of and knows about Gonzalez. This is because during the world cup he took several top flight European strikers, folded them neatly and stuck them in his back pocket.
Now I know that performances in the 2014 World Cup mean nothing [although last summer, performances in the 2010 World Cup meant EVERYTHING], but the guy is not an unknown.
Relax, Gonzalez ain't coming to Fulham -- or to any other 2nd level club anywhere.
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on August 06, 2014, 08:34:09 PM
Anyone thinks this cud be to keep Bryan happy? Doesn't make much sense otherwise we are pretty solid at cb
Yeah, I think this is the interesting subplot here -- what does our attempt to sign Gonzo mean about or relationship with Bryan?
Quote from: btings on August 07, 2014, 02:45:23 AM
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on August 06, 2014, 08:34:09 PM
Anyone thinks this cud be to keep Bryan happy? Doesn't make much sense otherwise we are pretty solid at cb
Yeah, I think this is the interesting subplot here -- what does our attempt to sign Gonzo mean about or relationship with Bryan?
It might just mean that Bryan recommended him since they play together on the National team.
I don't think there's any link between our interest in a footballer and whether or not Ruiz is happy.
I can't think of the last time that Ruiz was in a club that had another Costa Rican.
just about old enough then (for last year's team at least)
sounds like we are serious about bring him to the cottage, with Ruiz here to and going no where anytime soon it does make sense.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11681/9407750/transfer-news-fulham-have-two-bids-rejected-for-costa-rica-star-giancarlo-gonzalez (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11681/9407750/transfer-news-fulham-have-two-bids-rejected-for-costa-rica-star-giancarlo-gonzalez)
