Ipswich 9 fouls to Fulhams 2
9 is probably about average. 2 suggests the kids just are not ready for this level/division.
nothing to do with the referee. we just need to stand up and start kicking.
Further down the leagues, the less experienced referees in charge. You can see why some of them will never hit the top league.
Welcome to the Championship
Tough at the top. They gotta learn to cope with this sort of thing if they are to progress.
We will see a lot of this over the course of the season. Teams will set themselves up to close us down, hustle and hassle, get physical, knock us off our stride, etc. The team will need the character to deal with that.
Thought the referee was poor, he saw fouls waved play on yet only went back on one that could have been a red to give a yellow for a late lunge studs first at Dembele. He allowed Ipswich to keep connecting with the player after the ball had been played, yes he booked 3 players but should ahve booked 5-6. He also did not blow for one foul off the ball on the runner when there were 2 stone wallers one a booking.
It's a physical league & we have to get used to it because the tough tackling isn't going away. Truth is, Ipswich controlled the game, especially 2nd half & deserved the 3 points. We passed it around nicely in the 1st half but created nothing. Generally referees get it right, so I won't be blaming the ref for us losing today, Ipswich fully deserved it
Quote from: Fulham76 on August 09, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
It's a physical league & we have to get used to it because the tough tackling isn't going away. Truth is, Ipswich controlled the game, especially 2nd half & deserved the 3 points. We passed it around nicely in the 1st half but created nothing. Generally referees get it right, so I won't be blaming the ref for us losing today, Ipswich fully deserved it
Spot on. Ipswich were good value for the win and tactically had it right. My 7 year old was saying Ipswich are going to win this Dad after 20 minutes, says it all really. We have an awful lot to learn and quickly.
I think your 7 year old must be psychic I didn't think it was that obvious as it was all us up to then
The Championship is a tough league, you can expect attempts to rough up those that want to play football rather than the sport with the egg. I don't think that we should change our approach and start kicking people, as the footballing reputation of the youngsters grows, the rough tackles will look increasingly cynical and will hopefully be dealt with by the referees.
Mick McCarthy will always get his players to be physical, so this was a baptism by fire for a very young starting line up, though by and large they played within the rules of the game. A couple could have been yellows, and I'm surprised the left back didn't get booked long before he actually did.
Quote from: Andy S on August 09, 2014, 08:25:22 PM
I think your 7 year old must be psychic I didn't think it was that obvious as it was all us up to then
Not really . We did nothing with the ball when we kept it and teams in this league will be happy as Larry for us to keep knocking it about with little threat. I started reading the paper as we showed so little invention in midfield, maybe my lad just picked up on my body language as I just sort of gave up in frustration. Hopefully we will improve.
Perhaps our great manager might have had some warning that Championship teams will rough us up a bit ? Then assemble a squad capable of withstanding this type of football - however good our youngsters are - they are not tough enough yet - blindingly obvious
I thought they were some woeful tackles going on today, how can there be such a gap between two divisions in terms of physicality and refereeing?
They passed the line of being stuck in, but the Championship seems to see these tackles as fine and "play on."
We will have to cope and walk (hobble) on with it, but it was unbelievable, though probably more so because of the manager in charge; I'm sure (praying) that every game isn't as physical as that.
People complaining about the 'fouls' need to stop it. That was proper football out there, bone crunching tackles. Just wish we had someone who could dish it out as well as the other teams could
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on August 09, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
People complaining about the 'fouls' need to stop it. That was proper football out there, bone crunching tackles. Just wish we had someone who could dish it out as well as the other teams could
Not sure the tackle of Dembele and the elbow on Woodrow can be described as anything other then assault. Poor ref who let them kick us off the pitch at times. I'm all for my physical games but there is a line. David was lucky to walk off at half time
I didn't think the ref had that bad a game.
I also didn't think Ipswich were particularly dirty.
Physical is one thing but they weren't dirty. The ref managed to book the player for the Dembele foul. So fair play to remember it. I've seen many a PL "so called quality" ref fail to get that right in past seasons.
Quote from: Fulham76 on August 09, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
It's a physical league & we have to get used to it because the tough tackling isn't going away. Truth is, Ipswich controlled the game, especially 2nd half & deserved the 3 points. We passed it around nicely in the 1st half but created nothing. Generally referees get it right, so I won't be blaming the ref for us losing today, Ipswich fully deserved it
I don't agree we created nothing.
Had Dembele scored (which was e great save) would have led 1-0 and we were flying at that point.
One may have even been enough but we were so on top at that point it's possible
we may have got another one or two.
Also, had Dembele scored, which is the main reason he's on the pitch.
he would have been the Dogs b*****ks instead of all the crtitism.
he'sa not ready yet, he;s only young.
tell that to Hyndman and Roberts
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on August 09, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
People complaining about the 'fouls' need to stop it. That was proper football out there, bone crunching tackles. Just wish we had someone who could dish it out as well as the other teams could
Well, no.
There was a lot of strong fouls coming from the Ipswich players, our lads didn't any protection from the ref whatsoever. Not enjoying the the mentality in the Championship so far.
Quote from: Riether Lightning 63 on August 09, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
People complaining about the 'fouls' need to stop it. That was proper football out there, bone crunching tackles. Just wish we had someone who could dish it out as well as the other teams could
Sorry but if that is your concept of "proper football" then perhaps I need to follow another sport, one where skill is the deciding factor.
Ipswich did nothing wrong, they bullied a young side, they had experienced players and used them efficiently.... it happens in every single league right down to amatuer saturday and sunday league.
We simply need to be more physical ourselves, because teams will use this tactic every week against us
Seems to me lovebite was built for the championship
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 10, 2014, 02:44:34 AM
Quote from: Fulham76 on August 09, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
It's a physical league & we have to get used to it because the tough tackling isn't going away. Truth is, Ipswich controlled the game, especially 2nd half & deserved the 3 points. We passed it around nicely in the 1st half but created nothing. Generally referees get it right, so I won't be blaming the ref for us losing today, Ipswich fully deserved it
I don't agree we created nothing.
Had Dembele scored (which was e great save) would have led 1-0 and we were flying at that point.
One may have even been enough but we were so on top at that point it's possible
we may have got another one or two.
Also, had Dembele scored, which is the main reason he's on the pitch.
he would have been the Dogs b*****ks instead of all the crtitism.
he'sa not ready yet, he;s only young.
tell that to Hyndman and Roberts
The Dembele chance was a mistake from their keeper rather than us creating it. But, would have been a good time to score & things may have been a lot different had it gone in, at that point we were getting on top without actually threatening.
I suppose one positive is having the bulk of possession. It's an improvement on last season & will be difficult for teams to score against us if we've always got the ball.
Mick mccarthy's teams are a disgrace the way they are so physical. Remember his wolves side and karl henry? Having said that they were very organised and I think hes a good manager at this level but I hate the over physical approach.
A team shouldnt use injury threatening challenges to gain an advantage. I was expecting a more physical league but I thought ipswich were a bit over the top and the ref was very lenient.
The skill level isn't going to be the same in this league and there are more teams who think they can get out of this league. Unlike teams who think they can win the Premiership. If we can get promoted out of the Championship with this youthful and skilful side, then they will do well. Ipswich worked hard, pressed and took their chances. We really didn't come alive till the closing minutes. My bet is they are pretty pi$$ed with themselves and won't let teams use size and strength to gain so much of an advantage again.