Yes it's very disappointing to lose the game but I saw many positives.
Our passing was excellent was a shame David got a knock as he looked dangerous.
Our team will only get better the likes of Hyndman, Burgess, Roberts & Dembele were all under 18s last year & held there own yesterday. It's frightening to think how good they will be with regular games.
Jorenen did okay but I would like to see us bring in a new keeper.
Hutchinson had a day to forget but he will respond & prove to be a good signing.
Eisfield looks a classy player, McCormack will improve I'm very excited about next week.
For me after what I saw yesterday if we bring in no new signings this week the team should be
Jorenen
Hoogland Bodurov Burgess Stafylidis
Parker
Hyndman Eisfield
David
McCormack Woodrow
Subs - Bettenelli, Hutchinson , Christensen, G Williams, Roberts, Dembele, Rodallega
A very exciting season ahead thats for sure
I would like to see Kay Voser involved soon-ish, Tim Hoogland was "too forward" yesterday and David McGoldrick pounced upon it, whereas Voser has the pace to get up and down effectively. Also, I'd like to see Rodallega get a start, he had a superb pre-season and with the first game being a loss, I think it'll be nice to have that experienced (match fit) head alongside Ross McCormack.
There's still some tweaking that needs to happen with the system, and that's a difficult away game we had to go through yesterday so I'm staying positive.
Rodders HAS to start!
I think we will finish 3rd......
I think you are expecting way too much if you reckon we will win promotion this season. I don't think we have a cat in hells chance this season,too much transition. It would be great but ain't gonna happen.
Fulham are a Premiership team in the Championship division. Only via gross incompetence have we been relegated but that in no means suggests we should automatically bounce back. It is far easier to get demoted than the reverse.
We are without doubt the richest club in the football league. Our chairman is a multi-billionaire: that means he has more than $2,000,000,000 to his name, far more than Al Fayed owned.
EVERY team will want to do what Ipswich achieved last evening.
Fulham need to wake up to the fact we are a BIG fish in a small pond and start asserting ourselves appropriately. We need to start swaggering as though we are the "Manchester United Of The South" because financially and recent history also suggests, we ARE!
Yesterday I saw Fulham like the relegation team, lacking confidence, and uncertain on the pitch. I want to see Fulham DESTROY teams as any big team would. Yes, it is THEIR cup final; realise that and respond.
Make the opposition know they are inferior, and privileged to share the same turf. Pass it around with aplomb, swarm them at every opportunity (apparently Magath trains players the hardest, let's see that), show no fear!
I believe Khan and I see Fulham in the same light, it is up to the 'grunts' like Magath and his squad, to show they know it too. 051
First of all we really do have to forget about the way our club has been so badly run down in the last few years. We may be a Prem side for the last 13 years but this is a rebuilding of a club. Yesterday mostly ex youth players and players making their debut took to the pitch. They showed endeavour and swift movement but failed when it came to linking up with the forwards.
A few players were a little out of their depth but at no time did they look uncertain or lack confidence. We are not the Manchester United of the South but the Fulham youth team with money spent on bringing a few older heads in. We need possibly three more players of first team pedigree to come in. But once we realise we are rebuilding and not believe the thick journalists who seem to have this odd idea we are the same team that were relegated. Once our fans realise not to believe that we are going to cruise through this league. We may actually enjoy the birth of a new Fulham that at times yesterday were more entertaining than a Fulham team has been for years.
I saw enough yesterday we certainly need a few more in this window but there is enough in our squad to go up. Long way to go
Wouldnt entirely call promotion likely, a playoff spot would be nice even if we dont win it, team has slight racks but overt he weeks the development will definitely come through
Quote from: Reznor on August 10, 2014, 11:45:37 AM
I think you are expecting way too much if you reckon we will win promotion this season. I don't think we have a cat in hells chance this season,too much transition. It would be great but ain't gonna happen.
It might happen, but think people at expecting too much and agree with a lot of this post. Its not even a team in transition, is a toally new team and will take time and probably another transfer window to fully assemble.
We really need to use width!!!
We looked so more dangerous with Roberts stretching the game, would like to see him/Chihi on the right with Williams/Kaca on the left. Parker and David CM, Woodrow feeding Mccormack.
We need to use the pace we have
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 10, 2014, 04:31:30 PM
We really need to use width!!!
We looked so more dangerous with Roberts stretching the game, would like to see him/Chihi on the right with Williams/Kaca on the left. Parker and David CM, Woodrow feeding Mccormack.
We need to use the pace we have
:plus one: even though I haven't even viewed the match yet.
--------------Joronen---------------
Hoogland/Voser----Bodurov/Burgess---Burn/Hutchinson---Stafylidis
------------------------------------
----------David/Parker-------Hyndman/Eisfeld------
Roberts/?--------------------Kacaniclic/?
---------Woodrow/hugo--McCormack/Mitro------
Or
----------------Joronen------------
Hoogland/Voser--Bodurov/Burgess--Burn/Hutchinson--Stafylidis
---------------Parker/Fotheringham---------------
Roberts/?-------------------Kacaniclic/?
---------------David/Eisfeld---------------
--------Woodrow/Hugo--McCormack/Mitro-------
I left in /? because I am not sure who could play that second role, do we have any wingers except Roberts and Kaca on our team now? The risk of teaching a team to play wide without having a sub ready to fill in that place in case of injury could be high, we had pace yesterday as well, with Hoogland and Stafylidis roling up and they did well, I actually think a narrow 4-4-2 Diamond could work out in the long term at least.
Totally agree Jacky We did quite well yesterday. The difference between us and Ipswich is that we will improve over the course of the season, while they will continue as they are as they were playing at their max. We were unlucky with both goals so it looks fine from where I am.
Quote from: K33NY on August 10, 2014, 04:48:02 PM
I left in /? because I am not sure who could play that second role, do we have any wingers except Roberts and Kaca on our team now? The risk of teaching a team to play wide without having a sub ready to fill in that place in case of injury could be high, we had pace yesterday as well, with Hoogland and Stafylidis roling up and they did well, I actually think a narrow 4-4-2 Diamond could work out in the long term at least.
Adil Chihi is a right winger and George Williams plays off of the left. Plus the likes of Mesca and Ryan Williams, heck, even Chris David played off of the right against Palace! We certainly have a lot of options to be flexible.
I do think however bedding into the Championship with a new system and a new team will naturally take 4-6 weeks before we get going properly. If we can snatch 9/10 points we'll be flying when we hit our stride.
Quote from: K33NY on August 10, 2014, 04:48:02 PM
--------------Joronen---------------
Hoogland/Voser----Bodurov/Burgess---Burn/Hutchinson---Stafylidis
------------------------------------
----------David/Parker-------Hyndman/Eisfeld------
Roberts/?--------------------Kacaniclic/?
---------Woodrow/hugo--McCormack/Mitro------
Or
----------------Joronen------------
Hoogland/Voser--Bodurov/Burgess--Burn/Hutchinson--Stafylidis
---------------Parker/Fotheringham---------------
Roberts/?-------------------Kacaniclic/?
---------------David/Eisfeld---------------
--------Woodrow/Hugo--McCormack/Mitro-------
I left in /? because I am not sure who could play that second role, do we have any wingers except Roberts and Kaca on our team now? The risk of teaching a team to play wide without having a sub ready to fill in that place in case of injury could be high, we had pace yesterday as well, with Hoogland and Stafylidis roling up and they did well, I actually think a narrow 4-4-2 Diamond could work out in the long term at least.
Other wide options I'd say are George Williams who I think can be as good as Roberts and we could put David on the right with eisfeld in the hole. I think David has more chance of making a consistent impact on the wing. More space to operate he is very Duffesque at cutting inside and likes to run at defenders, he is also less likely to be targeted by the bruising cms as he was against ipswich
Quote from: FPT on August 10, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: K33NY on August 10, 2014, 04:48:02 PM
I left in /? because I am not sure who could play that second role, do we have any wingers except Roberts and Kaca on our team now? The risk of teaching a team to play wide without having a sub ready to fill in that place in case of injury could be high, we had pace yesterday as well, with Hoogland and Stafylidis roling up and they did well, I actually think a narrow 4-4-2 Diamond could work out in the long term at least.
Adil Chihi is a right winger and George Williams plays off of the left. Plus the likes of Mesca and Ryan Williams, heck, even Chris David played off of the right against Palace! We certainly have a lot of options to be flexible.
I do think however bedding into the Championship with a new system and a new team will naturally take 4-6 weeks before we get going properly. If we can snatch 9/10 points we'll be flying when we hit our stride.
Completely forgot about Chihi and Williams..... feel stupid now xD Thanks :) I agree with you 4-6 weeks and picking up some points and with this team we will be roling, I think, I hope :P
Quote from: MrProphet on August 10, 2014, 05:01:48 PM
Quote from: K33NY on August 10, 2014, 04:48:02 PM
--------------Joronen---------------
Hoogland/Voser----Bodurov/Burgess---Burn/Hutchinson---Stafylidis
------------------------------------
----------David/Parker-------Hyndman/Eisfeld------
Roberts/?--------------------Kacaniclic/?
---------Woodrow/hugo--McCormack/Mitro------
Or
----------------Joronen------------
Hoogland/Voser--Bodurov/Burgess--Burn/Hutchinson--Stafylidis
---------------Parker/Fotheringham---------------
Roberts/?-------------------Kacaniclic/?
---------------David/Eisfeld---------------
--------Woodrow/Hugo--McCormack/Mitro-------
I left in /? because I am not sure who could play that second role, do we have any wingers except Roberts and Kaca on our team now? The risk of teaching a team to play wide without having a sub ready to fill in that place in case of injury could be high, we had pace yesterday as well, with Hoogland and Stafylidis roling up and they did well, I actually think a narrow 4-4-2 Diamond could work out in the long term at least.
Other wide options I'd say are George Williams who I think can be as good as Roberts and we could put David on the right with eisfeld in the hole. I think David has more chance of making a consistent impact on the wing. More space to operate he is very Duffesque at cutting inside and likes to run at defenders, he is also less likely to be targeted by the bruising cms as he was against ipswich
David and Eisfeld together would be awesome I think what about this?
---------------Joronen--------------------
Hoogland---Bodurov---Burn/Hutch--Stafylidis
---------------Parker (DCM)---------------
Roberts----------------------------Kacaniclic
--------------David---Eisfeld---------------
------------------McCorcmack--------------
would leave McCormack alone on top though, but that would look strong as well! And Woodrow can allso play AM position as far as I know? With a shadowstriker or target man role? :)
I recon it will like be the season in the 'Championship' before Tigana arrived.
we will be top 6 this season - it's going to take 6 - 10 games to bed in and for Magath to know our best team.....would love a day at Wembley
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 10, 2014, 04:31:30 PM
We really need to use width!!!
We looked so more dangerous with Roberts stretching the game, would like to see him/Chihi on the right with Williams/Kaca on the left. Parker and David CM, Woodrow feeding Mccormack.
We need to use the pace we have
Spot on.
Those who want to stick with a diamond, did we not learn anything from yesterday?
Ok its one game and sometimes you have to set up how you can hurt your opponents more, but 9 time out of 10 , you'll bet better results playing with wingers.
We have some great young wingers that have pace and full backs who can get forward to overlap when needed.
Was it any co incident that we looked more threatening once pat came on?
Plus we need to play players in positions
Accrued 1 measly point between the 3 teams this weekend.
Ok, who's up for bounce straight back now?
But I fail to see why we should be worried about the opposition when it should be the other way around.
We need to get things into perspective; we are the richest club in the entire football league. That is not an opinion it is a FACT.
We are envied by all the northerners for being in the capital, and they will play like a "cup final" every time we meet them, especially on their 'patch'.
I want Fulham to start thinking like we are the big team in this division and not like FULHAM, a quaint little club who play at Craven Cottage. We can save those thoughts and attitudes for when we go up!
Look at the premier league standings after one game next week and I doubt it will have no surprises. Wait for a larger sample of games before judgement.
No way am judging Simple....... Just commenting really.... I think the last 20 games are more important than the first 20.
I think it will take the relegated teams time to adjust, more so for us as we have a completely new team. What the standings are after 15-20 games will give a better indication.
There are a number of huge clubs in the Championship, both in terms of fan base and money, so to say that we are the big team in this division is a tad deluded.
Yes, Khan may be a billionaire, but it doesn't necessarily follow that he'll plough all that money into Fulham
And do you seriously think Fulham are the "Manchester United of the South"?! I think Chelsea might have a slightly better claim to that title, not to mention Arsenal, or even Tottenham...
though we are relegated i don't really see us as a relegated team due to the new players we have. If we lose to Millwall its going to be a long hard season and Felix needs to go. I think Norwich could go straight down due to a very poor manager as for Cardiff they where a championship team in the pl so are probably better equipped,
but can we bounce straight back yes we can we just need to add a bit of steel to the class
Oh for goodness sake. Lose to Millwall and Felix needs to go? Where is all this 'we need stability gone'? One game with a new team and only two or three survivors from the last game last season. Suddenly we are in a position to sack managers. Where were all these fans who want sackings when we were playing so appallingly for the last few seasons?
It takes a bit of time to rebuild a team so completely.
Jeez have the same patience you gave all the clowns that destroyed out club over such a long period.
Off to watch Defiance on DVD. A little perspective needed.
if we cant beat a poor millwall team at home we will be nearer the bottom then the top with a team gelling or not. Holloway is not going to kick us off the park he tries to play the game properly. If we cant beat them it will be a long season under felix if we win then let the work in progress continue if we lose yes i feel he needs to go.
Quote from: gezkc on August 10, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
There are a number of huge clubs in the Championship, both in terms of fan base and money, so to say that we are the big team in this division is a tad deluded.
Yes, Khan may be a billionaire, but it doesn't necessarily follow that he'll plough all that money into Fulham
And do you seriously think Fulham are the "Manchester United of the South"?! I think Chelsea might have a slightly better claim to that title, not to mention Arsenal, or even Tottenham...
In THIS division we are the ManU of the South,; was not talking about the PL so I think you missed my point.
Secondly Khan is NOT a Billionaire, he is a
MULTI-BILLIONAIRE!!! I tried to emphasize this but seems that was missed also.
No club in the football league has the money Fulham potentially have at their disposal, and yes potentially does not mean we have it. But so far Khan was backed his words with his wallet spending £22million on two strikers alone, far more than any of the Northerners can even dream of!!
Quote from: Nero on August 10, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
if we cant beat a poor millwall team at home we will be nearer the bottom then the top with a team gelling or not. Holloway is not going to kick us off the park he tries to play the game properly. If we cant beat them it will be a long season under felix if we win then let the work in progress continue if we lose yes i feel he needs to go.
Do you remember the first game last season where we literally stole the points from Sunderland.
That sort of thing happens all the time in football otherwise if every game went the way they were
perhaps expected, why even bother to play and compete at all.
Having said that a draw or loss to Millwall won't be the end of the world, for example we could absolutely
pulverise them but lose 1-0.
As long as we learn and don't continue to do it regularly (or irregularly for that matter)
Except we're not the Manchester United of the south, and we are not a premiership team. We were a premiership club, but the only ties we really have to premiership is the stadium and the club name. The only premiership quality players we have are waiting to be sold with the exception of Scott Parker who is.... ineffective. We have an owner who's only premiership experience is seeing us relegated and our manager is not exactly Sir Alex. He's more like Qyburn in game of thrones.
We do not know ourselves at the moment. We had a mid life crisis and hit rock bottom. Now we have to start all over. Expecting us to bounce straight back just because we spent 13 years in the premier league is ridiculous. Given a bit of time we will be a scary prospect in this league, we have an insanely talented group of kids, but unfortunately for us at the moment they are just that, kids. Until they are fully matured into strong seasoned players they will get picked apart by stronger more experienced sides.
Saying we should be brushing these teams aside with ease is wishful thinking. We struggled against them when we were a premier league side playing against them in cup games. Swaggering into games thinking we're all that and a bag of potato chips will not get us anywhere at all.
We may have a mega rich owner, but he is playing with a very cut price team. If we sell Mitroglou and Ruiz it might get reinvested it might not but I doubt we will see and big name signings. With the exception of McCormack and probably Parker we probably have one of the cheapest wage bills in the league.
My money would be on us hovering mid table until January, making some decent signings and making a real run at the top 6 towards the end of the year, falling just short of promotion. Then going into next season as favourites like Derby this season. We have huge potential but need time to put it together.
What makes a big team in this division? Blackburn, Leeds etc have proved that history means very little. QPR have shown that massive money can just about get you up, but it has to be spent and even then you're flirting with ruin if it doesn't come off. Building a great team is the way to do it that is what we're doing. With the rich owner we have, the geographical location we have and the history we have we will certainly be able to speed the process up a lot faster then clubs around us as we will be an attractive prospect for the best championship players but the process does not change for us, we can't just click our fingers and make it happen.
Just be happy you support Fulham. We really are a great, unique club and we will eventually get our mojo back.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 10, 2014, 07:12:25 PM
Do you remember the first game last season where we literally stole the points from Sunderland.
That sort of thing happens all the time in football otherwise if every game went the way they were
perhaps expected, why even bother to play and compete at all.
Having said that a draw or loss to Millwall won't be the end of the world, for example we could absolutely
pulverise them but lose 1-0.
As long as we learn and don't continue to do it regularly (or irregularly for that matter)
Exactly!
Cardiff beat Man City in the second game of the season last year, Cardiff who ended up bottom and Man City who won the thing.
We have so many new players, they're going to take time to click. Patience people.
I am ready to display patience in abundance.... Just love watching " our own" compete on the big stage.
Not sure how long others may last the pace though.
MAGATH OUT ...... trying to find another couple of diamonds to help our cause!
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 10, 2014, 06:55:51 PM
Oh for goodness sake. Lose to Millwall and Felix needs to go? Where is all this 'we need stability gone'? One game with a new team and only two or three survivors from the last game last season. Suddenly we are in a position to sack managers. Where were all these fans who want sackings when we were playing so appallingly for the last few seasons?
It takes a bit of time to rebuild a team so completely.
Jeez have the same patience you gave all the clowns that destroyed out club over such a long period.
Off to watch Defiance on DVD. A little perspective needed.
:plus one: Absolutely spot on.
That is exactly how it is. The manager is the manager and so he will be until Christmas at least so get used to it. Lets give the kids we have been coaching for the last few years a chance and not be giving them grief for a few mistakes. This is truly a Fulham side the players who are here for the dough have gone so lets enjoy some young players at the beginning of their career grow. Then you can say I was there at the start of his career as older people can say of Johnny Haynes, George Cohen and Paul Parker.
Quote from: Nero on August 10, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
if we cant beat a poor millwall team at home we will be nearer the bottom then the top with a team gelling or not. Holloway is not going to kick us off the park he tries to play the game properly. If we cant beat them it will be a long season under felix if we win then let the work in progress continue if we lose yes i feel he needs to go.
Poor Millwall team? unbeaten in their last 10 under Holloway , winning their last 6, He has created his normal seige mentality within the team, them against the world. This would be a good test for any team at this stage on the back of a comfortable win let alone a london derby. It will be a good test and indicator of where we are and where any gaps are that need filling.
Hopefully the referee will be more disposed towards us being the home team but they will have 5k+ fans making the Putney end their own so maybe pretty even on influencing the ref.
Not this season -- too many newbies who, whilst talented, lack the confidence and physicality to grind out the requisite three-point results; and a manager who I fear has limited tactical nous. Let's hope I've underestimated both!
Yeah Nick. You are right. It's that easy, as you and Mr Khan have the same vision, get him to make you manager. The rest will be a breeze, I am sure.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 10, 2014, 07:09:33 PM
Quote from: Nero on August 10, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
move along nothing to see here
Yes perhaps you should. Wasn't Nero the fellow who sat still while Rome burned???
No, he fiddled.
Quote from: Nero on August 10, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
move along nothing to see here
UG
He does make some good points and I can see what he's getting at, he's talking about mentality.
Don't you think we should be attempting to boss teams with a 'cocky swagger'.
It might be a bit soon but I think we will be in the not too distant future, there were signs of
it yesterday.
Now, move along there's nothing to read here.
Quote from: Mokes on August 10, 2014, 07:22:26 PM
Except we're not the Manchester United of the south, and we are not a premiership team. We were a premiership club, but the only ties we really have to premiership is the stadium and the club name. The only premiership quality players we have are waiting to be sold with the exception of Scott Parker who is.... ineffective. We have an owner who's only premiership experience is seeing us relegated and our manager is not exactly Sir Alex. He's more like Qyburn in game of thrones.
We do not know ourselves at the moment. We had a mid life crisis and hit rock bottom. Now we have to start all over. Expecting us to bounce straight back just because we spent 13 years in the premier league is ridiculous. Given a bit of time we will be a scary prospect in this league, we have an insanely talented group of kids, but unfortunately for us at the moment they are just that, kids. Until they are fully matured into strong seasoned players they will get picked apart by stronger more experienced sides.
Saying we should be brushing these teams aside with ease is wishful thinking. We struggled against them when we were a premier league side playing against them in cup games. Swaggering into games thinking we're all that and a bag of potato chips will not get us anywhere at all.
We may have a mega rich owner, but he is playing with a very cut price team. If we sell Mitroglou and Ruiz it might get reinvested it might not but I doubt we will see and big name signings. With the exception of McCormack and probably Parker we probably have one of the cheapest wage bills in the league.
My money would be on us hovering mid table until January, making some decent signings and making a real run at the top 6 towards the end of the year, falling just short of promotion. Then going into next season as favourites like Derby this season. We have huge potential but need time to put it together.
What makes a big team in this division? Blackburn, Leeds etc have proved that history means very little. QPR have shown that massive money can just about get you up, but it has to be spent and even then you're flirting with ruin if it doesn't come off. Building a great team is the way to do it that is what we're doing. With the rich owner we have, the geographical location we have and the history we have we will certainly be able to speed the process up a lot faster then clubs around us as we will be an attractive prospect for the best championship players but the process does not change for us, we can't just click our fingers and make it happen.
Just be happy you support Fulham. We really are a great, unique club and we will eventually get our mojo back.
If we were mid-table anywhere near January, I would be mortified, Magath would (rightly) be out the door and drastic changes would be needed. And we could be there if we approach games as we did when we were relegated, as we did yesterday, as 'little' Fulham, when in this division we are the
true BIG FISH!
Both those northern teams had history in the days of yore, Blackbum had a brief affair with the PL when they had a rich owner (nowhere near as rich as Khan). Leeds are a sleeping giant, but they are still fast asleep.
Chelsea are proof that money talks - a medium sized London club similar to West Ham until a multi-billionaire came along. Fulham in the Championship should easily dominate and believe in it.
The attitude needs to change, among the manager, his staff, the players, AND some of the fans who are still afraid of everybody and cannot seize this great moment. Compare this to when Jean Tigana led a
FANASTIC Fulham who BARNSTORMED this very league with 100 points and scintillating soccer!!
If some of you say we do not have the players, then we must get them. There is no transfer window for us now. Roger in America can see what I am alluding to.
Remember, it is everybody's cup final to PLAY Fulham, let alone beat them. That is why FULHAM are the Manchester United of the South and we must start behaving that way on the pitch!
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 10, 2014, 10:01:28 PM
Remember, it is everybody's cup final to PLAY Fulham, let alone beat them. That is why FULHAM are the Manchester United of the South and we must start behaving that way on the pitch!
And if you are prepared to be patient for a half-a-dozen-or-so games, perhaps we shall.
May I remind you that when Sir Alex Ferguson introduced the Manchester United of the North's crop of talented youngsters (Beckham, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers) in the opening game of the 95-96 season, his team lost 3-1 at Aston Villa.
Turn up somewhere like Ipswich (Derby, Wolves etc) to appreciate that we are nothing special in this division in size or prestige terms, we've just been in the premiership that bit more recently. That does have practical relevance -- those lovely parachute payments while they last. Also, while the Financial Fair Play rules will prevent Khan flinging money at promotion in the way that Al Fayed was able to, they do allow an owner- funded £8 million seasonal loss. So combine those two things and we are high-rollers for the moment in this division -- but for hard cash rather than windbaggy reasons.
