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Fulham Football Club is now six months into the tenure of Felix Magath, the pragmatic German that took the reins of our cosy and warm football club following a short-lived stint by former Manchester United coach Rene Meulensteen. A lot has changed since Felix Magath was placed in charge by the Fulham management, a decision that came out of the blue on that February evening with Magath set the sole goal of staying within the Premier League; it was perhaps too late for Felix to save us completely, however, he did manage to garner somewhat of a fight out of a team that looked impossible to save; ultimately, Magath had failed and Fulham were relegated to the Championship.
However, relegation wasn't the only change to Fulham since Magath's appointment, even though it may have overshadowed most. This summer, the German has begun a monumental rebuild of the on-field personnel, so far letting go of 22 players for one reason or another, and bringing in 24 by either purchasing from another club, signing a free agent or promoting from within the academy that is beginning to pay dividends thanks to the hard work of Huw Jennings. The philosophy of our transfer window was revealed by Felix Magath in an open letter to the supporters:
"I felt that the squad was an ageing one that urgently needed to be freshened up with younger, hungrier and more ambitious players."
With this amount of alteration in just one transfer window, it is inevitable that the new-look Fulham (no matter who the manager is) require a bedding in period. We have players that have come from other countries, other clubs and other age groups to create the heartbeat of our squad. To quote from Felix's open letter again:
"I would like to stress, that our aim is to a develop a squad that can not only perform well and achieve our goal in the Championship, but can grow into a strong Premier League team with a future."
A great sentiment, and looking at our recruitment process and how our squad is shaping up, I can see why he feels this way; we've seen the success of our best youg talent in the past few years, and now Felix Magath is giving them an opportunity to succeed at a higher level. Again, it's inevitable that the volume of young players, mixed with the new faces, will need time to settle; not only to the system and style of play, but to step up of professional football too.
The quirky Felix is a man who, despite his controversy, has been a successful manager in Germany, winning three Bundesliga titles, two German cups and the Intertoto (he too won it one time). Would it not be a shame to waste a summer transfer window on Felix Magath if we were not going to give him the opportunity to succeed? With all the changes that have happened at Fulham, does he not deserve a chance to jumpstart our season once the squad is settled?
I take you back to 2011-12 when Reading under Brian McDermott had four points from their first six games – a sequence that included four successive defeats – as well as a loss in the League Cup. Those very same strugglers soared from 23rd, went on to win the Championship title, winning seventeen of their last 23 games in the process and their success goes to prove that a slow start in this division doesn't necessarily equal failure. You cannot honestly say that we don't have better players than Noel Hunt, Ian Harte and Kaspars Gorkss who all played over 40 games for the Royals that season?
As supporters, we need to show patience in our refreshed squad, and we need to support our young faces, as we know that dreams are possible. In our two games already, we've played some magnificent football using a squad of new signings, academy players and Scott Parker. If the performances continue, the results will surely follow. The football really has been impressive, and wouldn't be nice as a football club to have a long term plan, and more importantly for the plan to pay off?
Felix Magath's transfer window philosophy states quite clearly what our long term plan is, but for us to succeed, we will need stability. Over the past six months, Magath has rubbed a minority of supporters the wrong way, mostly from disagreement with his team selection, but wouldn't it be nice if we had a manager in for the long haul? Remarkably you have to go back to the days of Bedford Jezzard to find a Fulham manager who was at the helm for more than four years. Jezzard was in charge at the club for six years, from 1958-64. The only Fulham managers to hit four years since that tenure were Alec Stock (1972-76), Bobby Campbell (1976-80), Malcolm MacDonald (1980-84), Ray Lewington (1986-90) and Chris Coleman (2003-07); the most successful managers in Fulham's history, modern history anyway, Roy Hodgson and Jean Tigana only managed three years in charge.
Maybe we do have to suffer some more losses and a draw here and there in the next few months, but this patience and persistence could see us embark on greatness at Fulham, Felix Magath is the most decorated man to ever take charge of Fulham Football Club, and if he can have the time to gel this monster together, he surely can succeed. It will certainly be exciting to watch a new generation emerge at Craven Cottage.
I'd like to finish off this post with the final paragraph from Felix Magath's open letter:
"This team requires from you, our supporters, patience, support and an understanding as to what we are trying to build here for the future of the Football Club. My work here as manager and that of my staff, is to bring to you a team which you can be proud of and get excited about. We are all in this together, please show us that you have trust and faith in us."
Fully agree,you can see what he is trying to do,the team isn't a million miles off,it might even take a full season before we see the best of this team,but if can give them time and if we can keep the team together,we will return to the Premier league and stay there 092.gif :clap_hands: 049:gif 051
A well written and informative post.
I'm not 100% convinced that Magath will last the season but I'm more than happy to give him more time. He is refreshingly honest and clearly has a vision for the club.
If Magath doesn't work out the alternative would be to bring in a Allardyce/ Mcleish/Pulis and flood the team with war horses and journeymen.
A good post except....
What I cannot yet see is why so many post their faith in Magath & the need to persevere with him
He has been our manager for 6 months now
What is it that he has done or shown us to enable such continued trust?
Yes he has helped show the door to the dead wood & blooded the youngsters
Is he tactically astute as far as the Championship is concerned - it's not the same as in Germany
Why does he appear to fall out with so many players?
Is it correct he has played 17 already in the first 2 games, both games lost
Does that suggest a well settled & prepared team during the summer?
Please don't quote a "lack of time" or "much change" or any other excuse, they are not acceptable
Magath (as well as many of us) knew what the likely outcomes would be as we fell out of the Premiership trapdoor with him in charge
The summer should have been a rapid sort out & a thorough preparation so as to hit the ground running
It was neither - why?
Did we really play against the right sort of opposition, preparing our team, finalising many of the positions & our plan of play?
Didn't anyone think to get us ready for the physical side of the teams we were going to play?
How do the youngsters play against that sort of intimidation?
They need a strategy, a game plan & beefing up
There are positives in the first 2 games but if the youth start to get affected as far as their confidence..
If we over state the need for time to develop & get the right results it can put out wrong messages
Losing is not an acceptable mentality or habit
Enough of that last season
I don't hate Magath, I just can't see anything about him to suggest he knows what he is doing & will sort us out into a decent side, never mind promotion back to the Premiership
I hope I'm wrong & many of you can clearly see what I can't - yet
Time soon to face the Wolves so COYW!
Quote from: Jimpav on August 17, 2014, 11:15:46 AM
A well written and informative post.
I'm not 100% convinced that Magath will last the season but I'm more than happy to give him more time. He is refreshingly honest and clearly has a vision for the club.
If Magath doesn't work out the alternative would be to bring in a Allardyce/ Mcleish/Pulis and flood the team with war horses and journeymen.
No. That is never an option. I would rather us be stuck in the championship forever than have one of them in charge playing that type of football.
he is the only manager who has seen that the team needed a total rebuild (in my eyes this has been coming for 3 years) he is the only one who has made the tough choices and completely rebuilt the team and has given the kids a chance, as requested on here many times by many people.He needs the time to bed these players in.Many years of sticking plaster management can not be fixed in 6 months.
He might not be the guy who leads us back to the Premier league BUT he is the guy who has laid the ground work for a brighter future.
Quote from: Rambling_Syd_Rumpo on August 17, 2014, 12:50:19 PM
he is the only manager who has seen that the team needed a total rebuild (in my eyes this has been coming for 3 years) he is the only one who has made the tough choices and completely rebuilt the team and has given the kids a chance, as requested on here many times by many people.He needs the time to bed these players in.Many years of sticking plaster management can not be fixed in 6 months.
He might not be the guy who leads us back to the Premier league BUT he is the guy who has laid the ground work for a brighter future.
Why do you say Magath is the only manager to see that the team needed rebuilding? Even Jol spoke just about every week about the need to reduce the average age of the team.
And as for him giving the kids their chance, many are saying that several are not yet ready, and they certainly weren't ready 12 or 24 months ago.
Nice article except there isn't really any arguments here apart from "he needs time to rebuild" and "wouldn't it be nice to have a manager for the long haul". A lot of us just don't see Felix having an actual tactical plan or any logic to his selections and that worry isn't going away. I fully concur with AnotherVic's post above. Just don't see Magath being up to the job and think he could end up being quite damaging in the long term.
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Quote from: Jimpav on August 17, 2014, 11:15:46 AM
A well written and informative post.
I'm not 100% convinced that Magath will last the season but I'm more than happy to give him more time. He is refreshingly honest and clearly has a vision for the club.
If Magath doesn't work out the alternative would be to bring in a Allardyce/ Mcleish/Pulis and flood the team with war horses and journeymen.
No. That is never an option. I would rather us be stuck in the championship forever than have one of them in charge playing that type of football.
I agree but that seems to be what some are clamouring for. We followed that model for too long in the PL and it eventually led to our down fall.
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on August 17, 2014, 12:35:02 PM
A good post except....
What I cannot yet see is why so many post their faith in Magath & the need to persevere with him
Why change manager again? We had three last season and this led to our downfall. It's too late to
change now - the squad has been rebuilt and the season is under way.
Out of interest, who would you suggest as a replacement?
He has been our manager for 6 months now
Magath was effectively care taker manager when he took over. Made no signings and was left with a squad that were disillusioned and already demotivated.
Magath's time in charge started last week. Two losses so far is not good and if we do not win any in the next 6 then I think many will join you in calling for change
What is it that he has done or shown us to enable such continued trust?
Purely my opinion but I feel he is honest when communicating with the fans and has a vision for the future of the club.
Yes he has helped show the door to the dead wood & blooded the youngsters
Is he tactically astute as far as the Championship is concerned - it's not the same as in Germany
A good manager should be able to manage in any league. See Hodgson, Mourhinio or Steve Mclaren. This isn't a complicated league, all matches are winnable and a top 6 finish will give us a shot at promotion.
Why does he appear to fall out with so many players?
This is debatable. He's attracted a number of former players but clearly ruffled a few feathers. This may be because of his honesty. Change isn't always appreciated.
Is it correct he has played 17 already in the first 2 games, both games lost
I've not checked this but surely this would be a starting 11 and 6 different subs. I don't think this is that unusual. Let's face it everyone lists a different preferred starting 11 on here every week.
Does that suggest a well settled & prepared team during the summer?
No but the transfer window is still open. I don't expect to see a settled side until at least October. This league won't be won until April at the earliest.
Please don't quote a "lack of time" or "much change" or any other excuse, they are not acceptable
I'm not sure what you expect from a squad that has only played two competitive games with each other.
Magath (as well as many of us) knew what the likely outcomes would be as we fell out of the Premiership trapdoor with him in charge
I think he can be forgiven for not having a squad assembled the week after we were relegated
The summer should have been a rapid sort out & a thorough preparation so as to hit the ground running
It was neither - why?
The World Cup perhaps? Football grinding to a halt for 6 weeks with many of our former squad involved. It's not helped that we have been lumped with 20 million worth of crap that we can't get rid of. Perhaps if Ruiz and the BA Greek had been snapped up we may have been able to reduce the wage bill and free up some funds to sign a better squad.
Did we really play against the right sort of opposition, preparing our team, finalising many of the positions & our plan of play?
Probably not but I don't think our pre-season matches have ever been relevant. Same as Chelsea playing in the USA or Man U in China- it's all about PR and cash
Didn't anyone think to get us ready for the physical side of the teams we were going to play?
How do the youngsters play against that sort of intimidation?
They need a strategy, a game plan & beefing up
The physical side is not a big issue. We bossed possession, look very good on the break and have very high fitness levels. We also signed the leagues top scorer.
There are positives in the first 2 games but if the youth start to get affected as far as their confidence..
If we over state the need for time to develop & get the right results it can put out wrong messages
Losing is not an acceptable mentality or habit
Agreed, if we don't get a few wins in the next 8 then I'm sure questions will be asked.
Enough of that last season
I don't hate Magath, I just can't see anything about him to suggest he knows what he is doing & will sort us out into a decent side, never mind promotion back to the Premiership
I hope I'm wrong & many of you can clearly see what I can't - yet
Time soon to face the Wolves so COYW!
FPT great post ,I'm 100% in agreement,its a shame that most posters on this board haven't the same feeling.
We are not in the PL as we weren't good enough because the ex managers only talked the talk.
Felix has not only talked,he's walked the walk
Quote from: hovewhite on August 17, 2014, 06:44:21 PM
FPT great post ,I'm 100% in agreement,its a shame that most posters on this board haven't the same feeling.
We are not in the PL as we weren't good enough because the ex managers only talked the talk.
Felix has not only talked,he's walked the walk
Oh for goodness sake Magath hasn't "walked the walk"
What are you talking about?
What on earth do you mean by your statement?
He hasn't achieved anything yet - please tell me otherwise
I could have done as well as him if I had been in charge, got us relegated & lost the first 2 Championship games!
Jol messed us up over some considerable time - most posters could see that & would agree
Rene had but a few games in charge, made mistakes (so did Jol & Magath) but never had 6 months to prove his worth or abilities
He did believe in youth though so on that basis he is the same as Magath
Felix hasn't done or achieved anything yet, far from "walking the walk" whatever you mean by that
Many posters seem to like Magath because he's tough. He fired all the doubters and malingerers. He stands up to everyone and everything. He's tough. He's a winner.
Hmm. Hidden in the dusty 8 point typeface of last week's Economist was an interesting article on Warren Bennis "the man who invented the study of corporate leadership."
"What constitutes good leadership changes over time. Mr. Bennis was convinced that an egalitarian age required a new style. Leaders could no longer crack the whip and expect people to jump through hoops. They needed to be more like mentors and coaches than old-fashioned sergeant-majors. Top down leadership not only risked alienating employees. It threatened to squander the organisation's most important resource: knowledge."
This paragraph explains in a nutshell why Magath's dictatorial, clean sweep, out with the bold, in with the new, it's my way or the highway style of management is unlikely to work for Fulham. Of course, that is just my opinion.
Nogood "being The Economist with the truth, isit"" Boyo
I want to keep him for awhile purely just because I'm tired of seeing this constant change all the time. You can't tell me just getting rid of him makes everything better. It just creates even more uncertainty with the club.
What a shame all these anti Manager posts didn't appear when we had Jol and the decline of Al Fayeds support. Now we are just starting the rebuilding because of the awful way the club had been run. People are saying they could do just as well. Or it is all Magath and his dictatorial running of the club that is to blame for our two game decline.
Where were the fans when it was clear we were falling into the depths three seasons ago? Why are you only now blaming it all on the one man who has started the rebuilding? Seems very odd to complain now the rebuilding has started and yet be content to have watched the collapse.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 17, 2014, 09:03:58 PM
What a shame all these anti Manager posts didn't appear when we had Jol and the decline of Al Fayeds support. Now we are just starting the rebuilding because of the awful way the club had been run. People are saying they could do just as well. Or it is all Magath and his dictatorial running of the club that is to blame for our two game decline.
Where were the fans when it was clear we were falling into the depths three seasons ago? Why are you only now blaming it all on the one man who has started the rebuilding? Seems very odd to complain now the rebuilding has started and yet be content to have watched the collapse.
+1
Top post Lighthouse
most people seem to agree that 'if they are good enough they are old enough'. Would completely agree with this especially when the failure to secure a win proves they are NOT good enough. With the wisdom of Magath to guide them I am expecting far more from our totally outmuscled and inept youngsters.
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While I don't like the my way or the highway approach I do like that Felix has gotten the dead wood out and youth in. Great post and I agree with it all.
Conversely, why should we give credit to a man for clearing out all the dead wood when that was a mandate of being relegated (just for FFP purposes, if not player ambition)?
What, exactly, has Felix *done* so far to deserve any credit? He vanquished any player acquired in January except Heitinga and Holtby, played Holtby out of position constantly, didn't save the club from the drop, complained everyone was too old, got rid of everyone, and now is saying the team is too young.
Nice work if you can keep moving the goalposts without any tangible evidence you're doing anything.
Any manager would have completely rebuilt the roster. This isn't something that only Felix could have accomplished.
Do regret that Magath 'the oracle' did nothing at all to stave off relegation. Infact, some might suggest with his odd team selections it was inevitable. He appears to alienate good players & freezes them out. Most agree that to be successful (a) There should be a good mix of youth/experience (b) Harmonious team spirit (c) A settled side. Sorry, its a no to these in my book = the Magath effect hasn't worked, certainly to date.
FPT has put a well reasoned debate as to why we should keep FM, and anothervichalomslovechild has put in a well reasoned debate as to why we shouldnt. I like this sort of thread, where the opinions clash but in well thought out responses.
Now you all know I am not FM's biggest fan, I have had a bad feeling ever since he took over, and I genuinely don't see him lasting the season... However I am not hopeful of this scenario, despite me being one of his biggest critics, I hope he is given a reasonable amount of time, he won't get much time though if he keeps tinkering around with the starting 11 and formations on a weekly basis as we will be further away from an established side, which gives us less chance to pick up points.
Wolves is massive for FM because it is our best chance of getting some points on the board for the next 3 or 4 games, If we win or draw it will stop the slump and give these young players something to build on, defeat will be disatrous, and FM will be under huge pressure, as will the players who will then have 2 of the best sides in the division to play.
I admire what he is doing by bringing some youth through, but I also think his ego is costing us, by being so extreme with this youth experiment... Ipswich and Milwall could have been so different if we had played experienced young players instead of young players with no experience.
I hope and pray FM starts learning from his weekly mistakes, he clearly see's things are wrong and is making good changes, but he needs to get it right from the start.
Quote from: Fulhampete on August 17, 2014, 09:24:36 PM
most people seem to agree that 'if they are good enough they are old enough'. Would completely agree with this especially when the failure to secure a win proves they are NOT good enough. With the wisdom of Magath to guide them I am expecting far more from our totally outmuscled and inept youngsters.
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I'm expecting it too.
We have played two games and since we were not overrun in either of them: is there a reason why you have given up already?
We suffered three years of gradual decline - so why on earth are you expecting it to happen instantly?
There has been an improvement because they have shown more promise that last years team and the ability to play to the end of the game.
As you are obviously not convinced that our academy graduates have any potential what would your formula for success have been this season?
I am so lost, we have just played the best 2 games of football seen by an FFC team in a long long time, and yet that is not good enough. People keep going on about FM dictatorial management style yet how many of us have actually seen him in action. Like us he has players that he likes and players that he feels at the moment do not fit, as someone else said on this board everyone of us seem to have a different idea of who to play and who not to play, some say he got his selections wrong, well maybe he did'nt they just did not do the job he wanted.
2 games in and we are already down.
Oh and by the way this is just my opinion.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 18, 2014, 03:49:37 AM
I get the impression Felix Magath is a control freak, and prefers to surround himself with youth because they do not challenge his methods nowhere near as much as assertive experienced players, who will ask questions and challenge the way he operates, that's why there are very few leaders in the team, if any. So it's naive youth and yes men, and the rest are treated as lepers. All because he has no man management qualities, and rules by fear if he has to. Who makes so many changes to starting line ups as he does, not enough players are allowed to settle. He is not a leader, he is a dictator, his tenure will end in years, whether it's sooner or later. The German league is nowhere near as tense is as high tempo as the English Championship, he has no experience of English Football and he is neither qualified or suitable for Fulham FC. He may have won Trophies in a soft German League, but he won't win any in England, his bizarre team selections and the way he cannot convince Ruiz. Mitroglou to consider staying shows ha cannot handle experienced players. He was always going to be the wrong man from word go, and his command of the English language comes up short for the position he is in. I will be as pleased as anyone if he proves me wrong, after just playing the Lions, and with The Wolves then the Rams followed by the Bees in the next nine days, it's a JUNGLE out there, and they can all smell blood.
The German league that's so soft that they've just won the World Cup captained by a man who was a Magath prodigy.
Alfie it doesn't take a lot on this board for people never to be positive about anything,its a desease of message boards full stop.
Having watched the first 2 games we have looked good and more energetic and fit for the first time since hodgson and really feel results will come,but also we need some positives v wolves.
Quote from: Fulhampete on August 17, 2014, 09:24:36 PM
most people seem to agree that 'if they are good enough they are old enough'. Would completely agree with this especially when the failure to secure a win proves they are NOT good enough. With the wisdom of Magath to guide them I am expecting far more from our totally outmuscled and inept youngsters.
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Could you email me with whatever upset you (Admin), can't believe it was bad language as I am not in the habit of using such.
