Some fella uploaded a picture of him and mitro at the game tonight on face book , well when mitro left he posed for a picture with him ... he also added '' why aren;t you playing ? '' mitro's reponse was '' why dont you ask the manager '' fp.gif
Can you upload the picture?
If what he says is true and he is fit to play but is not being picked by Felix then that is just baffling.
If he is fit for me he has to play, if felix isn't picking him based on last season or he doesn't like him then god knows what's going to happen
Felix is mad.
another lad has just posted a picture on twitter of him and mitro aswell , mitro also said he doesn't know why he is not playing !
his twitter is @johnstonffc
and i can't bloody find the link to the first one now haha ! was on fulham Facebook group i believe
Any chance of a link to the Facebook photo / page
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1465203960427353&set=gm.10154472646460048&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1465203960427353&set=gm.10154472646460048&type=1&theater)
there u go !
Link coming up blank, maybe it's been removed from facebook
I have said for a long time and people should have taken notice when Holtby said the same thing... Felix holds grudges against players he deems as not willing to run their guts out.... He clearly has something against Burn and Kaca as well...
Although Bodurov has been a welcome surprise.
Mitro and Ruiz need to play... as to Kaca and Burn
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Looks cheesed off.
Quote from: westcliff white on August 20, 2014, 10:29:13 PM
Link coming up blank, maybe it's been removed from facebook
you may have to be part of the group to see it , I'm not sure how to add a picture on here haha !
Quote from: mccscratch on August 20, 2014, 10:29:27 PMI have said for a long time and people should have taken notice when Holtby said the same thing... Felix holds grudges against players he deems as not willing to run their guts out.... He clearly has something against Burn and Kaca as well...
Although Bodurov has been a welcome surprise.
Mitro and Ruiz need to play... as to Kaca and Burn
And people stiiill think Bryan ******* Ruiz is going to solve our problem.
pardon me if I'm wrong , but do you think they aren't playing ruiz and Mitro until the deadline is done so they don't get injured ? then if we don't sell play them ...fulham looking after there assets as such ...
Try keep him if he is willing to play and then get rid of Magath and install a manager who picks his best available players.
Quote from: Sammyffc on August 20, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
pardon me if I'm wrong , but do you think they aren't playing ruiz and Mitro until the deadline is done so they don't get injured ? then if we don't sell play them ...fulham looking after there assets as such ...
I think Ruiz doesn't want to play and wants to move. I think Mitroglou(from his comments to those blokes) wants to be in the team but our nutty manager isn't playing him. Of course Mitroglou might have just said he didn't know why he wasn't playing and is in fact orchestrating a move.
Quote from: Sammyffc on August 20, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
pardon me if I'm wrong , but do you think they aren't playing ruiz and Mitro until the deadline is done so they don't get injured ? then if we don't sell play them ...fulham looking after there assets as such ...
evening standard mentioned werder bremen possibly signing ruiz although unable to fully confirm
Yes, Blanco, I think Ruiz would be a big help to this squad. So would a healthy Mitro. The argument appears to be: We can't risk injuring them as HIGH VALUE trade properties. The counter-argument is: Playing well in games right now improves your trade valuation. The counter counter: Yes, but they might get hurt, then what happens to their trade valuation? The rebuttal: Mitro hasn't been seen playing nonhurt for a long time. Ruiz was stuck in a losing side with musical chairs management, in a nontraditional position for him, with no one to play off, and, other than his sterling performance in the WC, he, too, needs to show his current stuff to validate his trade value. And there's always the possibility that if they play, and effect positive outcome as a result, their own feelings about moving on might diminish. They might emotionally commit to the extent their isolation by Magath has kept them from acquiring a sense of commitment.
Saw him jogging down the Stevenage Road after the game. That alone put him in our top five performers tonight
Quote from: Blanco on August 20, 2014, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: mccscratch on August 20, 2014, 10:29:27 PM
I have said for a long time and people should have taken notice when Holtby said the same thing... Felix holds grudges against players he deems as not willing to run their guts out.... He clearly has something against Burn and Kaca as well...
Although Bodurov has been a welcome surprise.
Mitro and Ruiz need to play... as to Kaca and Burn
And people stiiill think Bryan ******* Ruiz is going to solve our problem.
one of the best players we have on the pay roll....so yeah... fp.gif
mitro isnt right for the championship so says felix who hasnt managed in it before but that 17 year old i'll give him a chance to show me what he can do but not the 12m pound forward i know hes not good enough without playing him, the man is a fruit loop.
Quote from: mccscratch on August 20, 2014, 10:29:27 PM
I have said for a long time and people should have taken notice when Holtby said the same thing... Felix holds grudges against players he deems as not willing to run their guts out.... He clearly has something against Burn and Kaca as well...
Although Bodurov has been a welcome surprise.
Mitro and Ruiz need to play... as to Kaca and Burn
Think this is right, what other explanation for the missing experienced players.
Kostas Mitroglou was outside Craven Cottage taking photos with kids tonight. When asked why he's not playing he said: "Ask the manager"
Quote from: Sammyffc on August 20, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
pardon me if I'm wrong , but do you think they aren't playing ruiz and Mitro until the deadline is done so they don't get injured ? then if we don't sell play them ...fulham looking after there assets as such ...
His best available assets are his best players, by the time the dealine comes around we could be well off the pace.
The long term 'asset' is achieved by playing your best players and getting promoted
this whole situation is just mad !
This guy would score 30 goals in a Championship with good service and match fitness!
Can't see him being a Fulham player beyond August!
if he is fit he should play, its that simple. forget protecting him to sell him, he may actually like to play and then choose to stay.
If I were the manager and wanted promotion this season I'd have played my best available team every game, with the proviso that any of the players who wanted out would be properly committed. It sounds as if Mitro may be one of them, I've heard no reason why not Ruiz as well but probably not Stek. Not to play them will certainly drive them out and lessen our bargaining position.
To start the season well might have encouraged them to stay with a view to playing in the PL next season. Even if not and they still left, we'd have some points on the board and just slot in a replacement into a team with some confidence.
Too simple?
Quote from: Holders on August 21, 2014, 09:33:42 AM
If I were the manager and wanted promotion this season I'd have played my best available team every game, with the proviso that any of the players who wanted out would be properly committed. It sounds as if Mitro may be one of them, I've heard no reason why not Ruiz as well but probably not Stek. Not to play them will certainly drive them out and lessen our bargaining position.
To start the season well might have encouraged them to stay with a view to playing in the PL next season. Even if not and they still left, we'd have some points on the board and just slot in a replacement into a team with some confidence.
Too simple?
Malbranque was in the same position under Coleman. In hindsight, what you propose makes more sense than Felix's strategy. It's all very well wanting to build a team around players committed to the club but Mitroglou may have been willing to give it a shot, given more subtle management. Too late now, I suppose.
Mitroglou has said to a few fans he don't know why he ain't playing. I reckon he's fit but McCormack was Felix's big signing and not Mitroglou.
Could be isolating him.
The greek is a good finisher, needs to play whilst on the books.
Quote from: Neil D on August 21, 2014, 10:17:53 AM
Malbranque was in the same position under Coleman. In hindsight, what you propose makes more sense than Felix's strategy. It's all very well wanting to build a team around players committed to the club but Mitroglou may have been willing to give it a shot, given more subtle management. Too late now, I suppose.
Committed to the club, or committed to Magath? We currently have a bunch of yes man out on the pitch, half of which are just happy to be out there getting first team football after a few years in the academy.
Mitroglou would SHINE in this division. It seems a mixed plan of Ali Mack, asset-stripping the club while lavishing out on the other hand and I believe Ruiz & Mitroglou are being fattened up for sale, so are currently out of Magath's plans (if he has any plans). This was remarked on by Talksport's Andy Goldstein last night.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 21, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
Mitroglou would SHINE in this division. It seems a mixed plan of Ali Mack, asset-stripping the club while lavishing out on the other hand and I believe Ruiz & Mitroglou are being fattened up for sale, so are currently out of Magath's plans (if he has any plans). This was remarked on by Talksport's Andy Goldstein last night.
I agree and Mitroglou even said he wants to play (not leave the club) ... I thought he would leave ?!
Now i can't figure out what the story with Ruiz is ?!
If Felix is the reason Mitro is out, then that is just plain nuts. Kostusalot in, Felis out!
Quote from: Bronaldinho on August 21, 2014, 11:06:26 AM
The greek is a good finisher, needs to play whilst on the books.
Very well said 0001.jpeg...that's what Fulham needs Right now...a good Finisher...not players like dogs chasing their tails...but not under Felix...Felix got to go!!
I'm actually livid that we never really got to see Mitroglou play for us!
Not going to lie, if Felix carry's on like this I would say get rid and give René Meulensteen another chance, I actually thought he was doing well and the signings he made were very appealing... but I guess everyone has their own opinions and we don't actually know what happened behind the scenes.
Mitroglou never liked being on the bench. He had many fights in Greece whenever he was put on the bench. He even sarcastically made a sub sign celebration towards one manager hinting that he should have started a game that got him in trouble when he scored a cracker at a young age in the champions league - watch his celebration: http://www.sportwizja.pl/film/4779/pilka-nozna---bordeaux-vs.-olympiakos-gol-mitroglou-na-1-1-/ (http://www.sportwizja.pl/film/4779/pilka-nozna---bordeaux-vs.-olympiakos-gol-mitroglou-na-1-1-/)
He will be really pissed off he is not playing. He is emotional, if he felt Magath wanted him there, he would be happier. The fact that Magath said he was a poor buy obviously did not help.
Maybe a chant for mitroglou next home game seems he might not be the bad apple we all thought and if nothing else a morale boost or vote of confidence from the fans. If he stays and is up for our challenge he should play. ..no question.
Is felix being stubborn by not playing him,? Looking at other things felix does and says i am leaning toward this being quite probable, a very dangerous game in my books.
a sign that says Felix Out, Mitroglou in would make him feel pretty positive.
Quote from: Greek on August 22, 2014, 12:27:11 AM
Mitroglou never liked being on the bench. He had many fights in Greece whenever he was put on the bench. He even sarcastically made a sub sign celebration towards one manager hinting that he should have started a game that got him in trouble when he scored a cracker at a young age in the champions league - watch his celebration: http://www.sportwizja.pl/film/4779/pilka-nozna---bordeaux-vs.-olympiakos-gol-mitroglou-na-1-1-/ (http://www.sportwizja.pl/film/4779/pilka-nozna---bordeaux-vs.-olympiakos-gol-mitroglou-na-1-1-/)
He will be really pissed off he is not playing. He is emotional, if he felt Magath wanted him there, he would be happier. The fact that Magath said he was a poor buy obviously did not help.
Terrible defending that... but a well taken goal.
Committed to the club, or committed to Magath? We currently have a bunch of yes man out on the pitch, half of which are just happy to be out there getting first team football after a few years in the academy.
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Sorry, don't agree they are a bunch of yes men, you answered yourself in the 2nd part of the sentence.
If I was any of those youngsters and saw the potential of playing I'd stay all night and run around the pitch.
One of the arts of Management is managing both the personalities/characters as well the 'rank and file'
Who gives a monkeys if Mitro doesn't agree with Felix or whatever the reason is
Play him and let him do his talking on the pitch and then massage his ego after the game.
That would be FOR THE GOOD OF FULHAM FOOTBALL CLUB (and not felix's ego or whatever)
I understand Mitro looked pretty sharp in the open training, and judging from his reactions to the fans it would appear he is not desperate for the move, that man said he would be.
He would be straight in my team, no doubt about it.....
This is making me angry, someone go and slap Magath please! play mitro if he wants to be played are you crazy?
Mitroglou gives the OK to RCDeportivo they agreed on the salary ... The last word belongs to Fulham ... I'm sure FMagath will give his ok!!
Quote from: Jackali7 on August 22, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
Mitroglou gives the OK to RCDeportivo they agreed on the salary ... The last word belongs to Fulham ... I'm sure FMagath will give his ok!!
NO
Ok let's imagine you're the boss of one of those huge furniture stores. You've been brought in cos the staff are rubbish and profits are down. You start a bit of training but a few of the old lags moan. Management present you with some super salesman whose going to save the day. We'll it doesn't work. You get rid of the old lags and you up the training cos what's left is shiny happy kids with no idea. Supersalesman is still there but quietly refusing to do it your way. Now you really really believe you know how to run the show and at the first sign of weakness the trust the happy shiny kids have in you will disappear, so do you.......
A. Let him lose on the sales floor at the expense of a shiny happy kid. Secretly believing he's rubbish.
B. Tell management to get shot of him ( and giving them the idea that maybe it's you who's the problem)
C. Stick him in the warehouse with a broom until he figures out that doing it your way, is the only way he stands a chance of getting out.
Also the customers are starting to moan believing that things weren't that bad before you arrived!
if mitro goes due to felix not liking him its a disgrace especially if what Mitro said he meant, in that ask the manager why i don't play as that sounds like he wants to play for us to me.
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on August 22, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
Ok let's imagine you're the boss of one of those huge furniture stores. You've been brought in cos the staff are rubbish and profits are down. You start a bit of training but a few of the old lags moan. Management present you with some super salesman whose going to save the day. We'll it doesn't work. You get rid of the old lags and you up the training cos what's left is shiny happy kids with no idea. Supersalesman is still there but quietly refusing to do it your way. Now you really really believe you know how to run the show and at the first sign of weakness the trust the happy shiny kids have in you will disappear, so do you.......
A. Let him lose on the sales floor at the expense of a shiny happy kid. Secretly believing he's rubbish.
B. Tell management to get shot of him ( and giving them the idea that maybe it's you who's the problem)
C. Stick him in the warehouse with a broom until he figures out that doing it your way, is the only way he stands a chance of getting out.
Also the customers are starting to moan believing that things weren't that bad before you arrived!
Provided he sticks to company policies and codes of ethics, let him loose to sell and keep the kid
on to work with him to learn how it's done.
If he's good enough quickly push him more into the spotlight.
Salaries and commisions for discussion.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kostas-mitroglou-not-play-fulham-4092045
Story running in The Daily Mirror that Kostas will NEVER play for us again, following a bust up with Felix
I don't care if Felix likes Mitroglou or wants to marry him. Metro is
too slow
too slow and
too slow
He's also woefully unmotivated, can't turn, can't hold up the ball, and can't distribute. God only knows if he can shoot.
Oh, and he's too slow
Let him be someone else's problem.
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I don't care if Felix likes Mitroglou or wants to marry him. Metro is
too slow
too slow and
too slow
He's also woefully unmotivated, can't turn, can't hold up the ball, and can't distribute. God only knows if he can shoot.
Oh, and he's too slow
Let him be someone else's problem.
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As long as you can get a shot away and on target it's down to the keeper then.
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He was slow when injured.
He had trouble turning with the ball when injured.
But now?
If the mirror story is true I reckon the row was over mitro wanting to play and felix saying no.
As for to slow, not a bit of it, before he was injured he wasn't Ronaldo quick but he wasn't john terry slow either.
Quote from: westcliff white on August 22, 2014, 11:08:10 PM
If the mirror story is true I reckon the row was over mitro wanting to play and felix saying no.
As for to slow, not a bit of it, before he was injured he wasn't Ronaldo quick but he wasn't john terry slow either.
I would've phrased it as "he wasn't 2006 Darren Bent quick but he wasn't 2014 Darren Bent slow either."
Quote from: jmh on August 22, 2014, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 22, 2014, 11:08:10 PM
If the mirror story is true I reckon the row was over mitro wanting to play and felix saying no.
As for to slow, not a bit of it, before he was injured he wasn't Ronaldo quick but he wasn't john terry slow either.
I would've phrased it as "he wasn't 2006 Darren Bent quick but he wasn't 2014 Darren Bent slow either."
LOL that works too
Loan him out, let him get some game time. Magath will be sacked by January then we can bring him back for the second half of the season with a bit of match fitness.
My nomination for the funniest phrase of the year: "If the Mirror story is true"
Not even Arfur Smif could write a better line than that. 064.gif
Quote from: Mokes on August 23, 2014, 12:29:35 AM
Loan him out, let him get some game time. Magath will be sacked by January then we can bring him back for the second half of the season with a bit of match fitness.
Interesting idea!
FMagath destroyed Schalke and Wolfsburg, they are still struggling with all the players he brought in, when he was in charge. FMagath only plays the players he brings in himself and only the players he wants/likes. The president of Fulham better wake up b4 FMagath destroys Fulham too...
And what about all the managerial successes of Felix?- that can be seen in black and white in the record books, rather than a load of media tittle-tattle.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 23, 2014, 06:24:41 AM
And what about all the managerial successes of Felix?- that can be seen in black and white in the record books, rather than a load of media tittle-tattle.
Are you saying that you like the job FMagath is doing at Fulham ??
I don't .
I find it quite funny on this site, not that long ago everyone was slating the signing of Mitroglou, how he was a waste of money, too slow, a con man, and yet now everyone seems to blame Felix for not playing him. Why is just the right of the supporter not to like/rate a player, look at the abuse our friend Phil got from supporters saying he should not be in the team, the manager may have the same view of a player and it is wrong?.
Quote from: Jackali7 on August 23, 2014, 06:22:34 AM
FMagath only plays the players he brings in himself and only the players he wants/likes.
That does appear to be the case. It's almost like an ego thing:
my players,
my team,
my achievement. Well, that's fine, if there is an achievement to boast about but the reverse is also true.
Quote from: alfie on August 23, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
I find it quite funny on this site, not that long ago everyone was slating the signing of Mitroglou, how he was a waste of money, too slow, a con man, and yet now everyone seems to blame Felix for not playing him. Why is just the right of the supporter not to like/rate a player, look at the abuse our friend Phil got from supporters saying he should not be in the team, the manager may have the same view of a player and it is wrong?.
I think selection or non-selection should be for reasons of ability rather than personal ones, as it has been suggested.
In a league where we wanted to get off to a good start we needed to play our best players in each position
Quote from: alfie on August 23, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
I find it quite funny on this site, not that long ago everyone was slating the signing of Mitroglou, how he was a waste of money, too slow, a con man, and yet now everyone seems to blame Felix for not playing him. Why is just the right of the supporter not to like/rate a player, look at the abuse our friend Phil got from supporters saying he should not be in the team, the manager may have the same view of a player and it is wrong?.
i personally never slated Mitro, as i always said saw him twice live last season in the champs league and thought he was dynamite in those games. i always said we singed him injured which was a massive risk and that's how it has turned out. however if he is now fit as he says he has to play whether we are trying to sell him or not, he and mccormack should start up top.
Quote from: westcliff white on August 23, 2014, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 23, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
I find it quite funny on this site, not that long ago everyone was slating the signing of Mitroglou, how he was a waste of money, too slow, a con man, and yet now everyone seems to blame Felix for not playing him. Why is just the right of the supporter not to like/rate a player, look at the abuse our friend Phil got from supporters saying he should not be in the team, the manager may have the same view of a player and it is wrong?.
i personally never slated Mitro, as i always said saw him twice live last season in the champs league and thought he was dynamite in those games. i always said we singed him injured which was a massive risk and that's how it has turned out. however if he is now fit as he says he has to play whether we are trying to sell him or not, he and mccormack should start up top.
Totally agree - 3 games too late.
Quote from: Holders on August 23, 2014, 09:19:21 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 23, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
I find it quite funny on this site, not that long ago everyone was slating the signing of Mitroglou, how he was a waste of money, too slow, a con man, and yet now everyone seems to blame Felix for not playing him. Why is just the right of the supporter not to like/rate a player, look at the abuse our friend Phil got from supporters saying he should not be in the team, the manager may have the same view of a player and it is wrong?.
I think selection or non-selection should be for reasons of ability rather than personal ones, as it has been suggested.
In a league where we wanted to get off to a good start we needed to play our best players in each position
That is the point if Magath does not rate him then he is not going to play him, how many people on here think that Parker should not be in the team, and yet there are loads that think he should, surely the manager/coach has the right to an opinion as well. How many times before a game the subject comes up pick the team for..... and virtually all of them have different ideas.
Mitroglou should be in the team - he IS quality and needs a run of games to prove all his detractors and Magath himself wrong. The only way I see him getting a game is when (not if) Magath gets SACKED!
What if Mitroglou and Ruiz played all these 4 games? Its a shame Magath not using them, but also lowering their market value with his statements.
I do believe he is responsible for your relegation ...
Unfortunately it's all about FM's ego - it might have worked but it hasn't - so he must go because his megalomaniac attitide at our club's expense is just not on - screw the club and its tradition and its "feel" - it's absolutely disgusting as I have said for the last 4 months - who has the guts to sack him though ??
Mitroglou was an absolute beast before he signed for us and in his last World Cup game for Greece he was getting in some neat positions and lookin a lot fitter, which hopefully he's worked on in pre-season. I think he should get a chance - even if he's only 50% of the player he was before he signed for us he should storm the championship.
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Has the move to Fulham and will be a final move. Deportivo yesterday presented its best by the Greek Mitroglou and was awaiting the decision of the owner of his pass club. Londoners want to get rid of the player-the Daily Mirror yesterday collected statements of coach Felix Magath, saying hiring was a mistake ram and A Coruña are willing to pay for part of your chip to achieve an assignment. The lack of liquidity makes it impossible to think of anything other than a loan.
It is expected that the response of the English team arrives today and yesterday showed Víctor Fernández optimistic about the outcome of the negotiations. "Talks are frankly very advanced. We expect to close soon that player "without specifically naming manifested internationally by Greece. Mitroglou still play for Fulham, who lost to Derby County 5-1 and continues to spin.
