I'm hoping that we whoop brentford tonight, beat cardiff on saturday and a whole bunch of them on here have to eat their words. The manager asked for time and patience and they have given it two games before the knives were out. Now it gets worse because the manager has clearly seen that posting on FFC and talking to the fans is pointless, so this week, he has not written anything. Well done. fp.gif
Well no it took 2 games for some and then the following two games were so sad to watch, many followed. A confused bunch of kids not knowing who they are playing with and where they are supposed to play is not great for their confidence. We all know that these kids will play well IF they are helped by some experience in the right positions. This isn't complicated. But instead we have a manager who only now declares we need changes. He is treating these games a pre season warm ups and giving everybody a go. Well it is bit too late to drop the best midfielders you have and put players in positions they have never played before.
Plus yours and other obsession that the fans who don't want to watch a struggling Fulham side should eat their words if we have some success is pointless. We all want the same thing and we have different ideas about getting it. But trying to wage a battle between 'them and us' fans does nobody any good.
Good to have you back blingo and great to have a debate and argument with a true fan who I simply don't agree with. I have missed this mate. Now bling do the right thing and admit we have a manager who doesn't know what he is doing.
He hasn't written anything, simply because the Club know that it will anger the fans even more, and there will be a full blown riot. With every letter that Magath has written, he has failed to deliver, and then when he supposedly apologies, the situation just gets worse. I think you'll find that the Club are hoping Magath turns it around in the next couple of games but the meantime, will chose to lay low. What I'm witnessing is a man that doesn't need time, but a man who is destroying the values of Fulham Football, and needs showing the door.
Quote from: blingo on August 26, 2014, 01:19:17 PM
I'm hoping that we whoop brentford tonight, beat cardiff on saturday and a whole bunch of them on here have to eat their words. The manager asked for time and patience and they have given it two games before the knives were out. Now it gets worse because the manager has clearly seen that posting on FFC and talking to the fans is pointless, so this week, he has not written anything. Well done. fp.gif
Forget hope for a minute, can you honestly see us whooping Brentford tonight, and then beating Cardiff on Saturday? Sensible answer please, then tell me what Fulham's and Magath's situation would look like after losing 6 games on the bounce.
come on, are you serious?
Rene had poor results but I totally supported what he was up to, even if it wasn't quite going right and even though I thought him a strange selection.
But magath hasn't had four games, he has had the back end of last season, the whole of the summer and as we start this season, he has not a clue as to hios best team. He is an experienced man and doesn't know his best 11, or even close to knowing it. That is a disgrace. further we replaced a good keepr with one that looks very shakey.
It is not the results, it is the lack of balance in the team, the size of the team, the lack of expeience in the team and the contiuning chopping and changing.
IF by a miracle we win the next two he will need to do plenty to win and I suspect many others round. We need to establish a settled size very soon, we need to get some prescence in the center of midfield, we need a goalkeeper of quality, we need to establish a pattern of play and we need to stick to it, that would help the team gel.
We don't even stick to the same formation through a game.
I would suggest that if we play well in the next 10 games and start to win I will calm down... buit based on what I have seen so far that is unlikely. I have the same feeling of foreboding that I had after three weeks or so of Jol.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 26, 2014, 01:29:55 PM
Well no it took 2 games for some and then the following two games were so sad to watch, many followed. A confused bunch of kids not knowing who they are playing with and where they are supposed to play is not great for their confidence. We all know that these kids will play well IF they are helped by some experience in the right positions. This isn't complicated. But instead we have a manager who only now declares we need changes. He is treating these games a pre season warm ups and giving everybody a go. Well it is bit too late to drop the best midfielders you have and put players in positions they have never played before.
Plus yours and other obsession that the fans who don't want to watch a struggling Fulham side should eat their words if we have some success is pointless. We all want the same thing and we have different ideas about getting it. But trying to wage a battle between 'them and us' fans does nobody any good.
Good to have you back blingo and great to have a debate and argument with a true fan who I simply don't agree with. I have missed this mate. Now bling do the right thing and admit we have a manager who doesn't know what he is doing.
Read your post from the standard m8, it explains everything very clearly there.
Quote from: blingo on August 26, 2014, 01:19:17 PM
I'm hoping that we whoop brentford tonight, beat cardiff on saturday and a whole bunch of them on here have to eat their words. The manager asked for time and patience and they have given it two games before the knives were out. Now it gets worse because the manager has clearly seen that posting on FFC and talking to the fans is pointless, so this week, he has not written anything. Well done. fp.gif
Nicely put Blingo. Welcome back.
We don't even stick to the same formation through a game.
A lot of managers change the formation of a team thru a game.
I would suggest that if we play well in the next 10 games and start to win I will calm down... buit based on what I have seen so far that is unlikely. I have the same feeling of foreboding that I had after three weeks or so of Jol.
Then give him that time. If by then he has not done anything I will jump on the fm out wagon too but give the man a chance to get it right. Last season does not even count for me. 6 youth players 10 new signings and everyone wants it to just gel instantly, well guys, welcome to the real world where success for us is going to take time.
Quote from: blingo on August 26, 2014, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 26, 2014, 01:29:55 PM
Well no it took 2 games for some and then the following two games were so sad to watch, many followed. A confused bunch of kids not knowing who they are playing with and where they are supposed to play is not great for their confidence. We all know that these kids will play well IF they are helped by some experience in the right positions. This isn't complicated. But instead we have a manager who only now declares we need changes. He is treating these games a pre season warm ups and giving everybody a go. Well it is bit too late to drop the best midfielders you have and put players in positions they have never played before.
Plus yours and other obsession that the fans who don't want to watch a struggling Fulham side should eat their words if we have some success is pointless. We all want the same thing and we have different ideas about getting it. But trying to wage a battle between 'them and us' fans does nobody any good.
Good to have you back blingo and great to have a debate and argument with a true fan who I simply don't agree with. I have missed this mate. Now bling do the right thing and admit we have a manager who doesn't know what he is doing.
Read your post from the standard m8, it explains everything very clearly there.
I did and it reads like comments made after relegation. Not with a few days left of the transfer window.
We are all die-hard supporters after all and nothing would give me greater pleasure than having to eat my words if Magath turns it round - however my head says that it won't happen under any circumstances - you could tell after 30 minutes of the Ipswich match that something wasn't right -- very sensible of Magath not to have written anything as he is probably quite embarrassed professionally as his managerial career looks like going up the swannee - however he is so bigoted and megalomaniacal that he won't take much notice of the fans
Blingo, I respect your opinion as I would anyone elses, however, I cant agree with it.
He needs to go sooner rather than later. Magath is clueless and it is obvious for all to see. You can tell that the players are just plain confused on the pitch and there is no plan.
He should have gone on Saturday so as to get in a manager who can motivate the team and knows the league. Unfortunately this situation seems similar to Jols reign when we kept him on till it was too late. Surely you can see that he is damaging the club? I mean 5-1 against Derby.... and that 5th goal... What redeeming qualities does Magath actually have for you to want to keep him on?
Has anyone else allso seen what I have seen.
First half allways look like half decent but we go to half time with being under, after half time our players look deflated non-willing and non-motivated, it looks like they are being demoralised in the dressing room by that man...
Oh dear, the Felix Magath Fan Club rears it's ugly head.
What these misguided renegades do not seem to realise is it is not only the results that are bad, but the performances and many decisions which baffle the EXPERTS, let alone genuine Fulham supporters like myself.
Rene Meulensteen had some bad results, but the losses to Tottenham and Liverpool at home were two of Fulham's best performances, and better than ANYTHING I've seen from Magath's Fulham. Yet he was sacked because of an ignorance from CEO Ali Mack who first sabotaged him by adding Curbishly & Wilkins to his entourage, and then failed to see the potential RM was unlocking.
Now we have a braggadocio manager spouting how he is the "Greatest" like a Muhammad Ali except this one 'floats like a bee and stings like a butterfly!' For a German he is remarkably disorganized, the defending is a shambles, we do not support the attack, the tempo is languid, it is boring and taking too long allowing teams to regroup. Watch German football today it is usually the opposite, end-to-end fast-paced action.
Even Magath's English is getting worse, he BABBLES meaningless twaddle every post-match, and apart from his carefully scripted "begging letters" to the fans, he barely communicates with us.
As I stated, it is not only the results. If we could see things were moving in the right direction we (the GENUINE Fulham fans) would be more patient.
I hope the last remnants of the Felix Magath Fan Club wake up and ANALYZE rather than offer blind faith.
I do take some exception with the choice of words in the original post - EG - "A whole bunch of them have to eat their words"
That suggests that the people who are in the Magath OUT camp are somehow being unreasonable in asking for a change and we deserve to be shown up. We are just concerned Fulham fans who can see that the club has lost its way. TO be honest, we have been more than patient with the management so far. At any other team they would have crucified Magath by now!
Hey blingo, Magath is signing us Kiraly!! What a great leader this is you must be overhappy about this? Sorry I dont try to be an a hole hwere but surely you MUST seen what madness lies in Magaths head now?
We've got worse each game, what the hell is this OP on about telling us to have more time and patience.
Trust Bateman to start with the insults, just because someone disagrees with your argument you dare to suggest that they are not a genuine supporter. I think you should concentrate on your failed TV career, that's if you are the real Nasty Nick. I also disagree with most of the comments you post on here, so, go on, accuse me of not being a GENUINE Fulham Fan.
Just to add my tuppence radio 5 live news has just reported that Khan fully supports FM and is the right man to lead us back in the Premiership
( means he will be out tonight ! )
There's your problem,Khan supports Magath.
Quote from: K33NY on August 26, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Hey blingo, Magath is signing us Kiraly!! What a great leader this is you must be overhappy about this? Sorry I dont try to be an a hole hwere but surely you MUST seen what madness lies in Magaths head now?
Have we signed him?
Quote from: blingo on August 26, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
Quote from: K33NY on August 26, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
Hey blingo, Magath is signing us Kiraly!! What a great leader this is you must be overhappy about this? Sorry I dont try to be an a hole hwere but surely you MUST seen what madness lies in Magaths head now?
Have we signed him?
Don't you worry, we will be signing him, and with that, will go my loyalty to Fulham and this complete and utter shambles. The Club will not get another penny from me whilst Magath is in charge.
Quote from: Yamus on August 26, 2014, 04:23:39 PM
There's your problem,Khan supports Magath.
I don't understand where AM fits into all this. If FM is reporting directly to Khan, then is AM just keeping his head down and doing what he's told i.e. negotiating to bring in the players he's told to? Surely a man of his standing in the game (and good reputation up to this point) would look to move on even if his on a nice little earner?
Blingo , my main concern with felix is his appalling man management and lack of communication . With young players you change them or rest them when they are successful ,not when they have not delivered, for obvious reasons .As fans we are no mugs and none of us understand countless bizarre decisions and odd selections, made by the man in charge .
Im not even going to make a list of these as there are so many .....
But one thing we surely should have learnt from last seasons with rise and reiter is that if the team continually bombs forward with full backs then it will get caught on the counter and let in poor goals .
To me ,who still wants to support the manager of the club ,whoever he is , this was point where i lost respect for magath . Against derby all their goals came down our left flank and the poor kid playing their should not have been exposed to that . If he is dropped tonight (which he should be ), when will he ever play in this side again ? ....... especially if Magath does get the sack.
Whoop - whop - or whip ???
Quote from: colinwhite on August 26, 2014, 05:05:43 PM
Blingo , my main concern with felix is his appalling man management and lack of communication . With young players you change them or rest them when they are successful ,not when they have not delivered, for obvious reasons .As fans we are no mugs and none of us understand countless bizarre decisions and odd selections, made by the man in charge .
Im not even going to make a list of these as there are so many .....
But one thing we surely should have learnt from last seasons with rise and reiter is that if the team continually bombs forward with full backs then it will get caught on the counter and let in poor goals .
To me ,who still wants to support the manager of the club ,whoever he is , this was point where i lost respect for magath . Against derby all their goals came down our left flank and the poor kid playing their should not have been exposed to that . If he is dropped tonight (which he should be ), when will he ever play in this side again ? ....... especially if Magath does get the sack.
Right let me just start by saying that I am not a Magath lover or hater, I am a Fulham Football supporter, I am looking at your first line
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my main concern with felix is his appalling man management and lack of communication . With young players you change them or rest them when they are successful ,not when they have not delivered"
The 1 question I would like to ask you is have you been in training sessions or team meetings? if not how do you know what he has communicated to the players, he may very well taken each player and explained what he was doing. Or is it I suspect just an assumption you have made.
Everyone has and is entitled to their opinion, but sometimes these statements are made with absolutely nothing to back them up.
Quote from: blingo on August 26, 2014, 01:19:17 PM
I'm hoping that we whoop brentford tonight, beat cardiff on saturday and a whole bunch of them on here have to eat their words. The manager asked for time and patience and they have given it two games before the knives were out. Now it gets worse because the manager has clearly seen that posting on FFC and talking to the fans is pointless, so this week, he has not written anything. Well done. fp.gif
I hope I eat me words. Prem here we come.
We would all like the answers Colin, but we can only wait and see which eleven FM selects tonight. I personally think he may use as many experienced players as we have at our disposal, but then again who knows?? We await with baited breath. I think the idea is you score two we score four, like the Barcelona of old, but we need a few more experienced prem/championship players to really make an impact imho. But then I am a retired businessman not a football manager so what do I know?
I AM ON THE FELIX MAGATH FAN CLUB. 078.gif :wine: 049:gif 051
I told myself i would give me 10 games and I am going to do that.
Quote from: blingo on August 26, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
We would all like the answers Colin, but we can only wait and see which eleven FM selects tonight. I personally think he may use as many experienced players as we have at our disposal, but then again who knows?? We await with baited breath. I think the idea is you score two we score four, like the Barcelona of old, but we need a few more experienced prem/championship players to really make an impact imho. But then I am a retired businessman not a football manager so what do I know?
yes lets play Fotheringham and Parker TOGETHER on the field today, that will create creativity thats for sure! ...
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 26, 2014, 02:25:37 PM
Oh dear, the Felix Magath Fan Club rears it's ugly head.
What these misguided renegades do not seem to realise is it is not only the results that are bad, but the performances and many decisions which baffle the EXPERTS, let alone genuine Fulham supporters like myself.
Rene Meulensteen had some bad results, but the losses to Tottenham and Liverpool at home were two of Fulham's best performances, and better than ANYTHING I've seen from Magath's Fulham. Yet he was sacked because of an ignorance from CEO Ali Mack who first sabotaged him by adding Curbishly & Wilkins to his entourage, and then failed to see the potential RM was unlocking.
Now we have a braggadocio manager spouting how he is the "Greatest" like a Muhammad Ali except this one 'floats like a bee and stings like a butterfly!' For a German he is remarkably disorganized, the defending is a shambles, we do not support the attack, the tempo is languid, it is boring and taking too long allowing teams to regroup. Watch German football today it is usually the opposite, end-to-end fast-paced action.
Even Magath's English is getting worse, he BABBLES meaningless twaddle every post-match, and apart from his carefully scripted "begging letters" to the fans, he barely communicates with us.
As I stated, it is not only the results. If we could see things were moving in the right direction we (the GENUINE Fulham fans) would be more patient.
I hope the last remnants of the Felix Magath Fan Club wake up and ANALYZE rather than offer blind faith.
Lets keep it civil shall we? I consider myself a genuine supporter, as do just about everyone else on the forum, and so we are all in the same boat but disagree about what might be best for the club, and that kind of discussion/debate is to be encouraged, NOT the inference that unless someone agrees with your pov then they are not genuine. I will ask you not to push the point.
Quote from: K33NY on August 26, 2014, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: blingo on August 26, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
We would all like the answers Colin, but we can only wait and see which eleven FM selects tonight. I personally think he may use as many experienced players as we have at our disposal, but then again who knows?? We await with baited breath. I think the idea is you score two we score four, like the Barcelona of old, but we need a few more experienced prem/championship players to really make an impact imho. But then I am a retired businessman not a football manager so what do I know?
yes lets play Fotheringham and Parker TOGETHER on the field today, that will create creativity thats for sure! ...
But what if it actually does? Where do we go from there? tbh, how many on here are willing to give up their job and take the managers role at Fulham, knowing that unless they make a glaring success of it, then they will be ostracized by their friends and the rest of the Fulham family? Like Blingo, I'm not a football manager at any level really, so how do I tell Felix he has everything wrong, or call him names to show how upset I am?
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 26, 2014, 02:25:37 PM
Oh dear, the Felix Magath Fan Club rears it's ugly head.
What these misguided renegades do not seem to realise is it is not only the results that are bad, but the performances and many decisions which baffle the EXPERTS, let alone genuine Fulham supporters like myself.
Rene Meulensteen had some bad results, but the losses to Tottenham and Liverpool at home were two of Fulham's best performances, and better than ANYTHING I've seen from Magath's Fulham. Yet he was sacked because of an ignorance from CEO Ali Mack who first sabotaged him by adding Curbishly & Wilkins to his entourage, and then failed to see the potential RM was unlocking.
Now we have a braggadocio manager spouting how he is the "Greatest" like a Muhammad Ali except this one 'floats like a bee and stings like a butterfly!' For a German he is remarkably disorganized, the defending is a shambles, we do not support the attack, the tempo is languid, it is boring and taking too long allowing teams to regroup. Watch German football today it is usually the opposite, end-to-end fast-paced action.
Even Magath's English is getting worse, he BABBLES meaningless twaddle every post-match, and apart from his carefully scripted "begging letters" to the fans, he barely communicates with us.
As I stated, it is not only the results. If we could see things were moving in the right direction we (the GENUINE Fulham fans) would be more patient.
I hope the last remnants of the Felix Magath Fan Club wake up and ANALYZE rather than offer blind faith.
Could you be a bit more clear here? Because, it sounds a lot like you believe that anyone who is currently practicing patience rather than shouting "Magath Out" to the high heavens isn't a "GENUINE Fulham fan".
Quote from: blingo on August 26, 2014, 01:19:17 PM
I'm hoping that we whoop brentford tonight, beat cardiff on saturday and a whole bunch of them on here have to eat their words. The manager asked for time and patience and they have given it two games before the knives were out. Now it gets worse because the manager has clearly seen that posting on FFC and talking to the fans is pointless, so this week, he has not written anything. Well done. fp.gif
Sorry Blingo but we have ben worse than useless this and last season. Something needs to be done but this manager is not doing anything. Under RM we at least looked good with some fast attacking play but since FM took over we have become a dis-organised bunch with players played out of position.
I hope we win today and Saturday, but while tonight should not be beyond us not so sure about Saturday. Hope I am wrong, about Saturday.
Alfie ;I have worked a lot with young players at elite level here in Sweden where i live . Its not easy and everyone has an opinion .
I am not assuming anything really , more observing , the removal of David at half -time against Ipswich , Hyndman s , lack o games after playing well and above all expectation and the playing of the greek and williams out of position . if it really is an "I will try him there" approach , then he is basically saying that he doesn't have confidence in the othe r players in that position .At least that is how these young's players will read it .
Now he may be a brilliant communicator behind the scenes , but his decisions have caused all sorts of uncertainty amongst a group of very confidant (at least couple of games ago ) players .
I hope that he turns it around as i am sure all Fulham supporters do , my worry is that many of our young talented players will get badly burnt in the process , whatever the outcome of magath`s reign .
slope to a whimpering 1 nil loss, thats what my head says.
Would love to believe we are better than that but cannot see it.
Would anyone put their money on us winning tonight ..
