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I really do struggle to believe that funding with the academy has been cut, because Alistair Mackintosh is essentially why it's as good as it is. He wanted to focus on producing kids and that's where the appointment from Huw Jennings came from. Here's a quote from Jennings:
QuoteJennings, who spent 12 years as a teacher in a comprehensive school, left Southampton in 2006 because he was unsure about their long-term future and joined the Premier League, before being tempted to Fulham by Alistair Mackintosh, the club's chief executive. Mackintosh had been praised for his emphasis on youth when he was at Manchester City.
"At Man City, with very little resources because they slumped through the divisions, they re-emerged on the back of a really vibrant youth policy," Jennings says. "He [Alistair] made it clear to me that at Fulham he'd like to give youth an opportunity because perhaps in the past that's not been the case. The excitement for me was to go into a club where there hadn't been a DNA for youth and hoping to create one.
Does that sound like the sort of CEO that makes a dramatic U-Turn on something he's so clearly passionate about?
As for Hangeland and Sidwell, I'm glad we got "rid" of both. Brede Hangeland was so past it, shown by being dropped by Crystal Palace, a more defensive focused side too! And Steve Sidwell is no way the man to help us, he had a good season, but that doesn't mean he's a good player, he's still technically woeful, and nothing more than a work horse. There's a reason were near the bottom for statistics on pass completion and possession, because we were a tactically inept team with players that have little technical ability.
I won't call him a liar, but TIFF is a known grounds for having ITK bull sprawled over the board.
It fits with a snippet I've heard from someone who works at the Club who said Kit Symons is very unhappy at the moment. I have to say, that regrettably I fear that this is really happening and I don't think all this Mr Khan being ill-advised stuff is that convincing when it comes to reducing investment in our highly successful youth set up. This is obviously a damaging decision to take, even for someone with no previous experience in football. Also, assuming academy investment is outside FFP rules, and - as alleged - that the cut backs being undertaken are very significant, then this is showing that the billionaire Mr Khan is not willing to continue supporting future development of young talent at a necessary level to retain our leading position.
I read this and thought that it doesn't really tell us anything new. The fact that the youngsters at the lower age group are being cut back is interesting if true. But what was worth a look is the old rumour about Tigana and Damiano would be happy to return.
If believed the post is a confirmation of what was known.
The Jennings quote is from this article by the way: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/10/fulham-youngsters-huw-jennings-academy (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/10/fulham-youngsters-huw-jennings-academy)
I have no way of knowing if this is true.
One point I would make is that I'm concerned by the prevalence of articles regarding discontent behind-the-scenes at our club.. I can't shake the felling of "no smoke without fire..."
Seems to me that a good coach would concentrate on what each player needs. Roberts needs to built physically, dembele needs to grow technically. That's only my opinion but seems the best way to get the most out players is to build on their talent and concentrate on their weaknesses. Roberts won't be Wilfred Bone, or to that point dembele. Dembele won't be Ronaldo or Roberts that point but the weaknesses in their games seems to be clear and a marked improvement in that along with a development in what they are gifted at seems so obviously the right way to go that people payed more than me(I'm actually travelling se Asia spending my life savings so I'm free) it's absurd. I will take an advisory role for one hundred pounds a month but it seems long term coaches at our club who deserve their roles are being overlooked over one/two men at the top. Mr Felix megathobsurd please see sense
I needed a laugh this morning and should thank this chap for giving me one. I've heard some BS in my time but the number of camps this guy claims to have spies in is truly special. Well done :)
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on September 08, 2014, 01:35:36 PM
Seems to me that a good coach would concentrate on what each player needs. Roberts needs to built physically, dembele needs to grow technically. That's only my opinion but seems the best way to get the most out players is to build on their talent and concentrate on their weaknesses. Roberts won't be Wilfred Bone, or to that point dembele. Dembele won't be Ronaldo or Roberts that point but the weaknesses in their games seems to be clear and a marked improvement in that along with a development in what they are gifted at seems so obviously the right way to go that people payed more than me(I'm actually travelling se Asia spending my life savings so I'm free) it's absurd. I will take an advisory role for one hundred pounds a month but it seems long term coaches at our club who deserve their roles are being overlooked over one/two men at the top. Mr Felix megathobsurd please see sense
From a coaching perspective, you're not wrong, but I struggle to believe that Magath does nothing other than running. It probably is overly cardiovascular based compared to the average coach/manager, but you don't win three Bundesliga titles from just running, no matter the quality of the team you're in charge of. The physical nature of his coaching is focused on, but I'd be stunned to see a successful manager do no training ground football.
Quote from: Craven Mad on September 08, 2014, 01:31:42 PM
I have no way of knowing if this is true.
One point I would make is that I'm concerned by the prevalence of articles regarding discontent behind-the-scenes at our club.. I can't shake the felling of "no smoke without fire..."
Then again Craven, the number of 'claims' we have seen on this MB over the past few months concerning Khan 'selling us off' etc, I wonder if there are more smoke bombs than we care to believe.
I find it very strange that so many of you on here seem to disregard the allegation made about cutting back substantially on our youth development. Many different people are coming up with similar concerns about a grave threat to our current youth set up and future ability to attract and retain top young talent.
As I have repeatedly posted - it's about time we all woke up and realised the damage that has been done to FFC from top to bottom - "there is no smoke without fire" -- there has been a huge fire and we, as long standing supporters, have been taken as mugs.
Please forget how poor the older pros played, their views on the regression of the club and the tactics and objectives of the owner and manager are very relevant and worth listening to and should be taken seriously.
Yes, we needed a new broom, but this approach has been brutal, unsympathetic and ultimately the worst thing that has happened to FFC for decades.
And............... it is not working on the pitch either.
I don't think the validity to the post helps with the whole Tigana and Damiano but it wouldn't surprise me if this were true.
Quote from: Hammer Smith on September 08, 2014, 02:12:28 PM
I find it very strange that so many of you on here seem to disregard the allegation made about cutting back substantially on our youth development. Many different people are coming up with similar concerns about a grave threat to our current youth set up and future ability to attract and retain top young talent.
Not so certain there is a real disregard, as more of a large pinch of salt. If true, another bad jolt for Fulham, but it would be good to see more information.
i had heard that FM has the players running between 3 and 6 miles a day, nothing confirmed but that seems a lot to me, but then i prefer a leisurely walk.
At the end of the day the truth is probably some where in the middle, and for us fans it is the results that matter, if they come generally all ills will be forgotten.
Won't state his name, but the author of that TIFF article is known to me offline, so I am sure he is posting in good faith and am therefore dismayed. First teams are always transitory, but it's been at youth level that we really seemed to have been laying down longer-term roots. Such investment is confirmed as exempt from Financial Fair Play regulations, so governed only by an owner's own spending policy.
And I'll second that.
Quote from: FPT on September 08, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on September 08, 2014, 01:35:36 PM
Seems to me that a good coach would concentrate on what each player needs. Roberts needs to built physically, dembele needs to grow technically. That's only my opinion but seems the best way to get the most out players is to build on their talent and concentrate on their weaknesses. Roberts won't be Wilfred Bone, or to that point dembele. Dembele won't be Ronaldo or Roberts that point but the weaknesses in their games seems to be clear and a marked improvement in that along with a development in what they are gifted at seems so obviously the right way to go that people payed more than me(I'm actually travelling se Asia spending my life savings so I'm free) it's absurd. I will take an advisory role for one hundred pounds a month but it seems long term coaches at our club who deserve their roles are being overlooked over one/two men at the top. Mr Felix megathobsurd please see sense
From a coaching perspective, you're not wrong, but I struggle to believe that Magath does nothing other than running. It probably is overly cardiovascular based compared to the average coach/manager, but you don't win three Bundesliga titles from just running, no matter the quality of the team you're in charge of. The physical nature of his coaching is focused on, but I'd be stunned to see a successful manager do no training ground football.
I have swung from side to side in the Felix debate and if you put my posts back to back they wouldn't hold frogspawn let alone water. Seeing as I'm a plumber by trade that's slightly embarrassing. I'm not saying he is only doing fitness training but is he training the youth as well as they would be trained in the youth system? A system where not being the finished article is a given rather than scalding reviews on here and due to such a long run of disappointing results (not always performances personal, or team wide) but Roberts needs more strength and dembele needs a better first touch and a bit more in my view I hope this isn't blanket training. Roberts, kaka, McCormack, smith, rodders, Ruiz and a couple of offensive minded midfielders should spend at least half an hour a session getting fluid. I don't believe all the hype about magath but a lot of potential signings might which damages us. Long live the fulham, I couldn't bring myself to support anyone else. I hope what the op said was true about the 10-12 year olds because that and the years up from that seems the only reason I can wear my badge with pride nowadays. I will still wear it in shame btw. It's terminal
This is strange.....had a regular in the back of the cab earlier today.....wont say who he/she is or where I dropped them....but they said exactly the same...funding had been cut for the academy, and that Huw Jenkins was a top bloke......the fare also said, that the academy was the best in London (and possibly the Country) and the scouting network was also the best....attracting young players from not only every corner of London, but across the globe......also mentioned something about Cornelius (I'm not repeating)....but concluded and I swear these were the actual words "Mackintosh should go after buying Mitroglou and McCormack" as Welbeck was being touted around for around £14m".....not sure what to make of that as Wellbeck would of never come to us.....Ladies and Gents I'm only repeating my conversation from this morning.....as I said it's a regular fare and we usually have a long old chat
Can someone on this board explain how long our academy contracts with youth players run? I'm just wondering if the club trains them only to unwittingly find itself nearing a period in time where another club can come in and swoop the player away for big money. If so, then if I am Khan, I have to wonder where the value is in spending on staff and infrastructure and training of youngsters only to see them picked up by higher ranked clubs when the window opens for them to be able to leave. Don't get me wrong--I believe in academies and youth farm systems. Sure works at Barcelona. But of course Barcelona doesn't have to worry like Fulham would about being outbid by bigger clubs for its promising youth...And that leads me to another question. In North America, contracts with minors are voidable at the will of the minor. The law assumes they don't have the sufficient capacity to enter into contracts, and that they are in need of protection from being bound thereby. Most of our contract law jurisprudence is patterned after the English common law system, so I can't imagine the law in this regard is all that different. Yes? So, to me it looks like the academy system at a club like Fulham is a kind of house of cards. We develop great players, but richer clubs can pick them off if and when some of them bloom. So, again, if I am Khan, I wonder if this is money well spent. Make sense?
Quote from: b+w geezer on September 08, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Won't state his name, but the author of that TIFF article is known to me offline, so I am sure he is posting in good faith and am therefore dismayed. First teams are always transitory, but it's been at youth level that we really seemed to have been laying down longer-term roots. Such investment is confirmed as exempt from Financial Fair Play regulations, so governed only by an owner's own spending policy.
Some people will say this person is a liar and to the extent it might sound like I was doing so in my post above I feel inclined to apologise. However, it's nigh on impossible for any single person to "know" everything in that Tiff post, and it follows that the author is broadcasting hearsay and rumours on a public forum with, at best, reckless disregard for the welfare of the people and organisations being criticised. That's not consistent with "good faith". We're all wrong some of the time but when you claim as fact something that's damaging to others you really should be sure.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on September 08, 2014, 07:33:31 PM
Can someone on this board explain how long our academy contracts with youth players run? I'm just wondering if the club trains them only to unwittingly find itself nearing a period in time where another club can come in and swoop the player away for big money. If so, then if I am Khan, I have to wonder where the value is in spending on staff and infrastructure and training of youngsters only to see them picked up by higher ranked clubs when the window opens for them to be able to leave. Don't get me wrong--I believe in academies and youth farm systems. Sure works at Barcelona. But of course Barcelona doesn't have to worry like Fulham would about being outbid by bigger clubs for its promising youth...And that leads me to another question. In North America, contracts with minors are voidable at the will of the minor. The law assumes they don't have the sufficient capacity to enter into contracts, and that they are in need of protection from being bound thereby. Most of our contract law jurisprudence is patterned after the English common law system, so I can't imagine the law in this regard is all that different. Yes? So, to me it looks like the academy system at a club like Fulham is a kind of house of cards. We develop great players, but richer clubs can pick them off if and when some of them bloom. So, again, if I am Khan, I wonder if this is money well spent. Make sense?
Like most law I should imagine it varies depending on context but clearly most of our youth (eg Roberts) achieve capacity to contract before they "bloom"
If they only run 5/6 miles a day, that's fine and leaves many hours to do all of the other stuff.
I'm sure they get more than the hour Jol had with them each day :0)
I reckon these professional people should know that Roberts needs this and
Dembele needs that and the training is adapted accordingly. to suit every player.
eg: There'd be no point having Voser or Roberts training to attack headers at corners.
The same way it would be ludicrous not to have Smith practicing defending corners
or practicing leaving our slowest player on the halfway line hoping for a quick counter attack
As for cutting the academy, I have no idea how much it costs each year to run, but
if you look at the potential value of the clutch of youngsters we have in and around the
first team (and slightly beyond) who mostly cost nothing to buy surely it would exceed
the costs to run Motspur Academy.
I'm sure Southampton have made a killing selling some off their younger players and although
perhaps we're 3/4 years behind them we could easily do as well, and there's another crop coming
through for us.
In a profession where very few junior players ever make the grade, we have succeeded
remarkably and I can't think of any teams (except Man Utd) that have had this
many players ready or nearly ready for 1st team football, albeit currently CS
IMO: Roberts, (both) Williams, David, Hyndman, Woodrow, Kavanagh could all command huge
sale fees as and when the time comes, which sadly we all know will come.
Look what we made on Smalling, compared to how much we paid and how long was he with us ?
If Khan was solely money orientated and didn't give a monkeys about us or the club, financially he'd
probably be better off selling the Football Club and just make money from the Academy by training and then selling the players.
Although I'm sure there's laws against that or a "not-affiliated to a club rule)
If they are running 5 or 6 miles a day should it really be that hard to confirm, unless they're running round in circles, it must be quite easy to spot around 25 grown (ish) men dressed in FFC training kit running round south west London
I doubt they are running that much per every day. I would venture they run 3 miles and 6miles on alternating days. Since a typical starting footballer will run about 6 miles in a match, it makes sense to train at the level consistently so on game day they possess the aerobic capacity to keep moving for 90 plus minutes, but my guess is it the training sessions included anaerobic sprinting intervals as well, which is probably included in the distance totals.
To me, for a game that is so running dependent, including match days, you would want your team doing volume days at least 2 to 3 times per week and lighter volume (miles) but more intense days 2 times per week, with proper recovery days as well.
I would doubt they are doing 6 miles every training session.
I could easily see him making the bench players and players not on the game day squad, staying back at Motspur and doing a volume day workout with lots of intervals on game days.
I have no problem with them running 5 to 6 miles a day, given that this is par for the course for distance covered in a typical football match.
Anything to increase stamina is good, given how badly we used to fade in the final 10 minutes over the past couple of seasons.
It would be disappointing if we start cutting back on academy funding, given we are really starting to see the results of what is a long term investment. I am hoping it is not true, but suspect there is substance to it.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on September 08, 2014, 08:14:24 PM
As for cutting the academy, I have no idea how much it costs each year to run, but
if you look at the potential value of the clutch of youngsters we have in and around the
first team (and slightly beyond) who mostly cost nothing to buy surely it would exceed
the costs to run Motspur Academy.
I'm sure Southampton have made a killing selling some off their younger players and although
perhaps we're 3/4 years behind them we could easily do as well, and there's another crop coming
through for us.
In a profession where very few junior players ever make the grade, we have succeeded
remarkably and I can't think of any teams (except Man Utd) that have had this
many players ready or nearly ready for 1st team football, albeit currently CS
IMO: Roberts, (both) Williams, David, Hyndman, Woodrow, Kavanagh could all command huge
sale fees as and when the time comes, which sadly we all know will come.
Look what we made on Smalling, compared to how much we paid and how long was he with us ?
That makes sense to me. Thanks.
My next door neighbour asked me to walk their dog for a week while they were on holiday.
I asked them how far each day and they replied "about 3 miles"
So I agreed to do it but then when I thought some more I realized that I'd be
21 miles away by the end of the week.
With thanks to my Dear Old Dad (RIP) who told this at my wedding.
Quote from: Canary White on September 08, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on September 08, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Won't state his name, but the author of that TIFF article is known to me offline, so I am sure he is posting in good faith and am therefore dismayed. First teams are always transitory, but it's been at youth level that we really seemed to have been laying down longer-term roots. Such investment is confirmed as exempt from Financial Fair Play regulations, so governed only by an owner's own spending policy.
Some people will say this person is a liar and to the extent it might sound like I was doing so in my post above I feel inclined to apologise. However, it's nigh on impossible for any single person to "know" everything in that Tiff post, and it follows that the author is broadcasting hearsay and rumours on a public forum with, at best, reckless disregard for the welfare of the people and organisations being criticised. That's not consistent with "good faith". We're all wrong some of the time but when you claim as fact something that's damaging to others you really should be sure.
Had a browse through your previous posts in the last 4 days. Kind of answered the questions I had reading your contribution to this thread.
Quote from: WayneKerrins on September 09, 2014, 12:10:19 AM
Quote from: Canary White on September 08, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on September 08, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Won't state his name, but the author of that TIFF article is known to me offline, so I am sure he is posting in good faith and am therefore dismayed. First teams are always transitory, but it's been at youth level that we really seemed to have been laying down longer-term roots. Such investment is confirmed as exempt from Financial Fair Play regulations, so governed only by an owner's own spending policy.
Some people will say this person is a liar and to the extent it might sound like I was doing so in my post above I feel inclined to apologise. However, it's nigh on impossible for any single person to "know" everything in that Tiff post, and it follows that the author is broadcasting hearsay and rumours on a public forum with, at best, reckless disregard for the welfare of the people and organisations being criticised. That's not consistent with "good faith". We're all wrong some of the time but when you claim as fact something that's damaging to others you really should be sure.
Had a browse through your previous posts in the last 4 days. Kind of answered the questions I had reading your contribution to this thread.
Cheers ;)
Did Mark Hughes stay for a sleepover when he visited Sidwell's house? Maybe they ordered a Domino's as well.
Nah. They just sat down smoked a peace pipe and declared their love for one another. Of course that hasn't gotten Sidwell off the bench.
You get Domino's pizza in England? Yuck. As pizza franchises go, Domino's has a pretty bad reputation for quality over here. Started in Detroit by Tom Monaghan. Like eating cardboard (IMHO). Went head to head against Little Caesar's (interestingly, another Detroit-based pizza franchise empire). Is Little Caesar's also in Britain now?
Not heard of Little Caesar's pizza in the UK, but I'm not a big pizza eater so msy have just missed them
Quote from: Fulham58 on September 08, 2014, 10:06:24 PM
If they are running 5 or 6 miles a day should it really be that hard to confirm, unless they're running round in circles, it must be quite easy to spot around 25 grown (ish) men dressed in FFC training kit running round south west London
I doubt very much it is street running, it is mor likely at Motspur, comprising of sprints and endurance running
Quote from: Forever Fulham on September 08, 2014, 07:33:31 PM
Can someone on this board explain how long our academy contracts with youth players run? I'm just wondering if the club trains them only to unwittingly find itself nearing a period in time where another club can come in and swoop the player away for big money. If so, then if I am Khan, I have to wonder where the value is in spending on staff and infrastructure and training of youngsters only to see them picked up by higher ranked clubs when the window opens for them to be able to leave. Don't get me wrong--I believe in academies and youth farm systems. Sure works at Barcelona. But of course Barcelona doesn't have to worry like Fulham would about being outbid by bigger clubs for its promising youth...And that leads me to another question. In North America, contracts with minors are voidable at the will of the minor. The law assumes they don't have the sufficient capacity to enter into contracts, and that they are in need of protection from being bound thereby. Most of our contract law jurisprudence is patterned after the English common law system, so I can't imagine the law in this regard is all that different. Yes? So, to me it looks like the academy system at a club like Fulham is a kind of house of cards. We develop great players, but richer clubs can pick them off if and when some of them bloom. So, again, if I am Khan, I wonder if this is money well spent. Make sense?
Yes - under 18 yr olds cannot easily be bound to contracts. However, the FA/UEFA etc sort it out by having rules (in effect agreements between the clubs) to pay "compensation" if a developed youth is taken on professionally by another club.
Quote from: Canary White on September 08, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on September 08, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Won't state his name, but the author of that TIFF article is known to me offline, so I am sure he is posting in good faith and am therefore dismayed. First teams are always transitory, but it's been at youth level that we really seemed to have been laying down longer-term roots. Such investment is confirmed as exempt from Financial Fair Play regulations, so governed only by an owner's own spending policy.
Some people will say this person is a liar and to the extent it might sound like I was doing so in my post above I feel inclined to apologise. However, it's nigh on impossible for any single person to "know" everything in that Tiff post, and it follows that the author is broadcasting hearsay and rumours on a public forum with, at best, reckless disregard for the welfare of the people and organisations being criticised. That's not consistent with "good faith". We're all wrong some of the time but when you claim as fact something that's damaging to others you really should be sure.
I too know the original TIFF poster and have done for some years, and I agree entirely with Canary White,
I'd suggest that he is reporting truthfully what he has been told by someone he believes is in a position to know. I'd also suggest that the poster will have been genuinely alarmed by what he was told.
Doesn't make it true of course but it does have high credibility.
As Tony says. I will, however, agree that the poster was too scattergun, not least for optimum effect on his own terms. He'd have done better from every point of view to stick to the youth aspect. There'd have been more responses about the message than the messenger.
...people are naturally sceptical about conspiracy theories from mere fans who must be mass speculating based on rumour and conjecture, and their patent hatred for the club, i mean, how the hell would they know what's going on at the club? These rumour-mongers are proven to be nothing but fakes as they won't reveal their sources, absolute give away, they're not protecting people who have grave concerns about what is happening at the club, no, they're non-fans who don't speak for the majority, so their cannot be any credence in what they say - can there?
To those who think all is sweetness and light at the club - at all levels - or even at any level, you are just the sort of fans the club want...
TIFF - the hub of the truth.
Everybody on there knows something of the internal workings of the club. Problem is that they're wrong 100% of the time.
...believe what you want, Eq, and it's not just TiFF posters who hear things...
Players at any level get well paid compared with the average supporter,and in genefal players run about 6 miles during a 90 mins game ,plus I'm getting on and can run 6 miles if need be in. 50 mins so nothing wrong in maintaining a players fitness.It is good discipline a run a day,for anybody.
It would be very surprising if there had not been cut backs in all aspects of the club following relegation. Who the hell has spoken to Tigana? Players out running on a daily basis is not news.
The only thing I'm interested in is what progress we make on a weekly basis followed by what progress we make by the end of the season.
Quote from: LBNo11 on September 10, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
...believe what you want, Eq, and it's not just TiFF posters who hear things...
I hear things all the bloody time, but I liken that to the same issues that Lighthouse has.
Yes, mother. He won't be worrying us for long.
Quote from: westcliff white on September 09, 2014, 07:29:18 AM
Quote from: Fulham58 on September 08, 2014, 10:06:24 PM
If they are running 5 or 6 miles a day should it really be that hard to confirm, unless they're running round in circles, it must be quite easy to spot around 25 grown (ish) men dressed in FFC training kit running round south west London
I doubt very much it is street running, it is mor likely at Motspur, comprising of sprints and endurance running
While watching an U18 game at Motspur end of last season I saw a group of players that were not picked for the match day squad, which included Tankovic, Woodrow, Zverotovic, Grimmer & Mesca running around the perimeter. They did about 5 laps, going by their pace and the time it took to do a lap it was probably about 3/4 mile each lap. By the way, Woodrow nearly lapped everyone except Grimmer, pretty impressive when he must have been gutted to have been dropped after playiing the previous two games.
Having faced the the disappointment of redundancy twice in the last few years myself the bitterness and resentment it causes can easily turn to malice, at least some of these rumours may come about from this.
Quote from: LBNo11 on September 10, 2014, 10:12:52 PM
...people are naturally sceptical about conspiracy theories from mere fans who must be mass speculating based on rumour and conjecture, and their patent hatred for the club, i mean, how the hell would they know what's going on at the club? These rumour-mongers are proven to be nothing but fakes as they won't reveal their sources, absolute give away, they're not protecting people who have grave concerns about what is happening at the club, no, they're non-fans who don't speak for the majority, so their cannot be any credence in what they say - can there?
To those who think all is sweetness and light at the club - at all levels - or even at any level, you are just the sort of fans the club want...
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I understand what you're saying, but if man management is so poor don't you think McCormack would have warned his friend Smith off from coming to Fulham, it just doesn't ring true mate.
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I would be amazed if the players don't work on tactics, skills etc, as well as running.
Felix is an experienced ex player, as well as successful manager, with an experienced staff - professionals in the game of long standing.
If we start winning games because of our superior fitness, which seemed to be lacking last season, with players seeming to tire near the end of games, then people will be praising Felix's fitness regime.
These are meant to be pro athletes after all - why shouldn't they be made to train at the max to get results, though presumably Felix, an ex elite player, and his coaching staff, are aware of the need for enough recovery time leading up to a game.
They want the team to be successful after all.
And as for our manager's man management skills - how do you know they aren't good? Putting young players in the first team is good man management for start - he is trusting them, and giving them confidence, when another mamanger would always make an excuse and say they weren't ready.
And, despite poor results, I think out youngsters have stepped up the plate and excelled. Every young player has shown his quality, and none have completely bottled their chance - so good management then.
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I would be amazed if the players don't work on tactics, skills etc, as well as running.
Felix is an experienced ex player, as well as successful manager, with an experienced staff - professionals in the game of long standing.
If we start winning games because of our superior fitness, which seemed to be lacking last season, with players seeming to tire near the end of games, then people will be praising Felix's fitness regime.
These are meant to be pro athletes after all - why shouldn't they be made to train at the max to get results, though presumably Felix, an ex elite player, and his coaching staff, are aware of the need for enough recovery time leading up to a game.
They want the team to be successful after all.
And as for our manager's man management skills - how do you know they aren't good? Putting young players in the first team is good man management for start - he is trusting them, and giving them confidence, when another mamanger would always make an excuse and say they weren't ready.
And, despite poor results, I think out youngsters have stepped up the plate and excelled. Every young player has shown his quality, and none have completely bottled their chance - so good management then.
Relegation last year, 1 point out of 15 this year = good management?
Quote from: Twig on September 11, 2014, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I would be amazed if the players don't work on tactics, skills etc, as well as running.
Felix is an experienced ex player, as well as successful manager, with an experienced staff - professionals in the game of long standing.
If we start winning games because of our superior fitness, which seemed to be lacking last season, with players seeming to tire near the end of games, then people will be praising Felix's fitness regime.
These are meant to be pro athletes after all - why shouldn't they be made to train at the max to get results, though presumably Felix, an ex elite player, and his coaching staff, are aware of the need for enough recovery time leading up to a game.
They want the team to be successful after all.
And as for our manager's man management skills - how do you know they aren't good? Putting young players in the first team is good man management for start - he is trusting them, and giving them confidence, when another mamanger would always make an excuse and say they weren't ready.
And, despite poor results, I think out youngsters have stepped up the plate and excelled. Every young player has shown his quality, and none have completely bottled their chance - so good management then.
Relegation last year, 1 point out of 15 this year = good management?
His overall now after having a better squad than Jol after a Jan window and his own window in the championship must be shocking... Can we keep giving him excuses?
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I would be amazed if the players don't work on tactics, skills etc, as well as running.
Felix is an experienced ex player, as well as successful manager, with an experienced staff - professionals in the game of long standing.
If we start winning games because of our superior fitness, which seemed to be lacking last season, with players seeming to tire near the end of games, then people will be praising Felix's fitness regime.
These are meant to be pro athletes after all - why shouldn't they be made to train at the max to get results, though presumably Felix, an ex elite player, and his coaching staff, are aware of the need for enough recovery time leading up to a game.
They want the team to be successful after all.
And as for our manager's man management skills - how do you know they aren't good? Putting young players in the first team is good man management for start - he is trusting them, and giving them confidence, when another mamanger would always make an excuse and say they weren't ready.
And, despite poor results, I think out youngsters have stepped up the plate and excelled. Every young player has shown his quality, and none have completely bottled their chance - so good management then.
Have Fulham under Magath shown in any game that we have superior fitness? No.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 11, 2014, 11:05:56 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I would be amazed if the players don't work on tactics, skills etc, as well as running.
Felix is an experienced ex player, as well as successful manager, with an experienced staff - professionals in the game of long standing.
If we start winning games because of our superior fitness, which seemed to be lacking last season, with players seeming to tire near the end of games, then people will be praising Felix's fitness regime.
These are meant to be pro athletes after all - why shouldn't they be made to train at the max to get results, though presumably Felix, an ex elite player, and his coaching staff, are aware of the need for enough recovery time leading up to a game.
They want the team to be successful after all.
And as for our manager's man management skills - how do you know they aren't good? Putting young players in the first team is good man management for start - he is trusting them, and giving them confidence, when another mamanger would always make an excuse and say they weren't ready.
And, despite poor results, I think out youngsters have stepped up the plate and excelled. Every young player has shown his quality, and none have completely bottled their chance - so good management then.
Have Fulham under Magath shown in any game that we have superior fitness? No.
i'd say so. We haven't faltered overall after 65 mins, we just cant seem to control a game. Ie the quality of football isn't good enough to produce goals but we dominate possession.
Quote from: MasterHaynes on September 11, 2014, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: westcliff white on September 09, 2014, 07:29:18 AM
Quote from: Fulham58 on September 08, 2014, 10:06:24 PM
If they are running 5 or 6 miles a day should it really be that hard to confirm, unless they're running round in circles, it must be quite easy to spot around 25 grown (ish) men dressed in FFC training kit running round south west London
I doubt very much it is street running, it is mor likely at Motspur, comprising of sprints and endurance running
While watching an U18 game at Motspur end of last season I saw a group of players that were not picked for the match day squad, which included Tankovic, Woodrow, Zverotovic, Grimmer & Mesca running around the perimeter. They did about 5 laps, going by their pace and the time it took to do a lap it was probably about 3/4 mile each lap. By the way, Woodrow nearly lapped everyone except Grimmer, pretty impressive when he must have been gutted to have been dropped after playiing the previous two games.
My o Level maths tells me that if the CC pitch is 110 x 75 yards then one lap is 370 yards: about a fifth of a mile. 5 laps is a mile.
But I agree that 5 or 6 miles doesn't sound much. A typical 90 minute game an active midfielder will run around 8 miles or so. And that is at full speed normally.
I'm not quite sure some of you get it, what other club runs and runs their players?
Isn't that what pre season is for?
Yes you have to keep up your fitness levels from pre season by doing some fitness, but Magaff takes it to the max.
We have a lot of young fit players who should be still learning the game, not being taken on 6 mile runs .
It's all very old school, football and football coaching has moved on.
I know some players are running 6 miles the day after a game, speak to any sport science people who deal with elite footballers and they will say a rest is as good as a hard session sometimes.
These are human beings we are dealing with, not robots, yes they get paid well but so what, that dosnt make then superman.
It's got nothing to do with being lazy, our youngsters need to be developed not run into the ground
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 11, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 11, 2014, 11:05:56 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I would be amazed if the players don't work on tactics, skills etc, as well as running.
Felix is an experienced ex player, as well as successful manager, with an experienced staff - professionals in the game of long standing.
If we start winning games because of our superior fitness, which seemed to be lacking last season, with players seeming to tire near the end of games, then people will be praising Felix's fitness regime.
These are meant to be pro athletes after all - why shouldn't they be made to train at the max to get results, though presumably Felix, an ex elite player, and his coaching staff, are aware of the need for enough recovery time leading up to a game.
They want the team to be successful after all.
And as for our manager's man management skills - how do you know they aren't good? Putting young players in the first team is good man management for start - he is trusting them, and giving them confidence, when another mamanger would always make an excuse and say they weren't ready.
And, despite poor results, I think out youngsters have stepped up the plate and excelled. Every young player has shown his quality, and none have completely bottled their chance - so good management then.
Have Fulham under Magath shown in any game that we have superior fitness? No.
i'd say so. We haven't faltered overall after 65 mins, we just cant seem to control a game. Ie the quality of football isn't good enough to produce goals but we dominate possession.
RaySmith said "
superior fitness".
Of course our players should be fit to play 90 minutes and we have this season generally apart from Parker. But the opposition has matched us for 90 minutes so we are not outperforming the opposition with our `superior fitness'.
It needs some superior footballing skills and tactics to consistently win football matches. That's what the manager should be concentrating on.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 11, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 11, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 11, 2014, 11:05:56 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I would be amazed if the players don't work on tactics, skills etc, as well as running.
Felix is an experienced ex player, as well as successful manager, with an experienced staff - professionals in the game of long standing.
If we start winning games because of our superior fitness, which seemed to be lacking last season, with players seeming to tire near the end of games, then people will be praising Felix's fitness regime.
These are meant to be pro athletes after all - why shouldn't they be made to train at the max to get results, though presumably Felix, an ex elite player, and his coaching staff, are aware of the need for enough recovery time leading up to a game.
They want the team to be successful after all.
And as for our manager's man management skills - how do you know they aren't good? Putting young players in the first team is good man management for start - he is trusting them, and giving them confidence, when another mamanger would always make an excuse and say they weren't ready.
And, despite poor results, I think out youngsters have stepped up the plate and excelled. Every young player has shown his quality, and none have completely bottled their chance - so good management then.
Have Fulham under Magath shown in any game that we have superior fitness? No.
i'd say so. We haven't faltered overall after 65 mins, we just cant seem to control a game. Ie the quality of football isn't good enough to produce goals but we dominate possession.
RaySmith said "superior fitness".
Of course our players should be fit to play 90 minutes and we have this season generally apart from Parker. But the opposition has matched us for 90 minutes so we are not outperforming the opposition with our `superior fitness'.
It needs some superior footballing skills and tactics to consistently win football matches. That's what the manager should be concentrating on.
i'd argue the overall fitness of the team is superior to last year. Liek i said, playing for 90 minutes compared to 65 last year is superior in my book.
Maybe were about to learn why the Germans have been so successful over the last 40 years, could it actually be that as suspected their player's are actually much fitter than ours.
Just as it takes time for a squad to gel together it takes time to reach the new required level of fitness.
I'm surprised how many people seem to believe or aren't sure if all the training consists of is running, running and more running.
Even the worst donkey coach/manager in the 4th Division of the Fordwich and District Tuesday League would know that they also need to practice how to kick, head and catch a ball.
There is a huge difference between endurance and stamina training and general match fitness (including bursts)
Everyone should know that the players are prepared to a level of fitness for the season - then during the season they maintain that.
FM seems to be on stamina-training the whole time - and that is what the older players were moaning about
Why are some posters so naive as to request that people "reveal their sources or alternatively, shut up it must be a rumour"
Believe it or not, some people on this board might actually know what is going on at FFC (some of the time) and like to share this where relevant and appropriate
No-one is going to substantiate a rumour - FFC is a business after all and people's livelihoods are at risk
Quote from: premFlem on September 11, 2014, 02:51:44 PM
Maybe were about to learn why the Germans have been so successful over the last 40 years, could it actually be that as suspected their player's are actually much fitter than ours.
Just as it takes time for a squad to gel together it takes time to reach the new required level of fitness.
+1
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 11, 2014, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 11, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 11, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on September 11, 2014, 11:05:56 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on September 11, 2014, 10:20:11 AM
If true that players would run 6 miles every day, I'd like to know what other club would do this?
It's not just about running 6 miles a day, I'm sure quite a few posters could do that, but should they be being coached how to defend, how to attack etc etc etc.
Yes they need to be athletes but they also need to be improving footballers too.
I heard it all the time about you need pace to be a footballer this day and age, well forgive me, I don't see usain bolt playing in the premier league .
In this day and age, A big part of being a good manager, is man managment.
Something I don't see or hear Magaff being.
As for those who wrote off stuff from 'people itk' yeah some of these people talk crap, but you get to know the genuine ones and I wouldn't write these people off so easily
I would be amazed if the players don't work on tactics, skills etc, as well as running.
Felix is an experienced ex player, as well as successful manager, with an experienced staff - professionals in the game of long standing.
If we start winning games because of our superior fitness, which seemed to be lacking last season, with players seeming to tire near the end of games, then people will be praising Felix's fitness regime.
These are meant to be pro athletes after all - why shouldn't they be made to train at the max to get results, though presumably Felix, an ex elite player, and his coaching staff, are aware of the need for enough recovery time leading up to a game.
They want the team to be successful after all.
And as for our manager's man management skills - how do you know they aren't good? Putting young players in the first team is good man management for start - he is trusting them, and giving them confidence, when another mamanger would always make an excuse and say they weren't ready.
And, despite poor results, I think out youngsters have stepped up the plate and excelled. Every young player has shown his quality, and none have completely bottled their chance - so good management then.
Have Fulham under Magath shown in any game that we have superior fitness? No.
i'd say so. We haven't faltered overall after 65 mins, we just cant seem to control a game. Ie the quality of football isn't good enough to produce goals but we dominate possession.
RaySmith said "superior fitness".
Of course our players should be fit to play 90 minutes and we have this season generally apart from Parker. But the opposition has matched us for 90 minutes so we are not outperforming the opposition with our `superior fitness'.
It needs some superior footballing skills and tactics to consistently win football matches. That's what the manager should be concentrating on.
i'd argue the overall fitness of the team is superior to last year. Liek i said, playing for 90 minutes compared to 65 last year is superior in my book.
Of course our fitness should be better than last season, hardly surprising when you knock 10 years off the average age of the team.
Our youngsters are natrually fit, they now need to be developing their football not run into the ground.
