Or will he have to wait until Bolton?
they said on sky this morning he was back for today, i was surprised as thought he got 3 games
Straight red is 3 games.
But he would have been cup tied today so should have one more game suspended?
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 23, 2014, 10:18:27 PM
But he would have been cup tied today so should have one more game suspended?
How, has he played any games for Leeds in the cup yet?
Yes, played for Leeds.
FA website says back on Saturday but not sure if that is correct as was ineligible for tonight's game so would've technically only missed two eligible games.
According to FA website his last game out was today.
I wondered that too, technically he should be banned for 3 games which should include birmingham. He played and scored for leeds against bradford in the last round, it was live on sky.
So how can tonight count as a suspension if he wasnt eligible to play anyway? If thats the case and he can play saturday then the rules are ridiculous and if I was birmingham I would look into it if he plays and we dont lose.
We need to check it out carefully before playing him and not rely on what's on a website!
Doubt he'll start even if he's available
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 23, 2014, 11:25:02 PM
I wondered that too, technically he should be banned for 3 games which should include birmingham. He played and scored for leeds against bradford in the last round, it was live on sky.
So how can tonight count as a suspension if he wasnt eligible to play anyway? If thats the case and he can play saturday then the rules are ridiculous and if I was birmingham I would look into it if he plays and we dont lose.
Same as the Polish team's mistake against Celtic in this year's European Championship qualifier? Their sub. (who came on for the last 3 minutes when they were 6-0 up on aggregate) had not served a 3 match suspension as he was not eligible to play in 2 of the 3 matches he missed---so the Polish team were disqualified.
Given decisions we've made in the last 2 years, we could get this wrong and be fined 3 points....so we'll have minus 2. Surely this won't happen!!??
I look forward to hearing and reading the comments when we knock the ball long to the big man.
It's quite an interesting little one that nobdy I've asked seems to know for sure.
One would think that the FA's website should be definitive.
The regs say 3 of the Club's competitive matches, without mentioning the player's eligibilty for these games.
Quote from: MJG on September 24, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
I look forward to hearing and reading the comments when we knock the ball long to the big man.
We are knocking the ball long to Hugo with no effect, knocking the ball long to Smith should show some improvement.
Quote from: cmg on September 24, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
It's quite an interesting little one that nobdy I've asked seems to know for sure.
One would think that the FA's website should be definitive.
The regs say 3 of the Club's competitive matches, without mentioning the player's eligibilty for these games.
That is how i understand it, its 3 of the clubs games irrespective of if a player is available or not. Imagine if the player was injured, would the 3 game ban not start until he was fit? or if he got injured in training during a ban is it then suspended?
That would be a knock back by Hugo that led to a goal.... Was that not effective?
You know exactly what I mean. People will moan that we are not playing football and just hitting it long. Last night you could see a deliberate tactic to hit crossfield to Hugo or McCormack, especially from left. It's all about mix and match.
Anyone who saw Smith first three touches at Reading will know that's not an improvement on what we have.
Quote from: westcliff white on September 24, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: cmg on September 24, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
It's quite an interesting little one that nobdy I've asked seems to know for sure.
One would think that the FA's website should be definitive.
The regs say 3 of the Club's competitive matches, without mentioning the player's eligibilty for these games.
That is how i understand it, its 3 of the clubs games irrespective of if a player is available or not. Imagine if the player was injured, would the 3 game ban not start until he was fit? or if he got injured in training during a ban is it then suspended?
you can still play a game injured though.
Quote from: MJG on September 24, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
That would be a knock back by Hugo that led to a goal.... Was that not effective?
You know exactly what I mean. People will moan that we are not playing football and just hitting it long. Last night you could see a deliberate tactic to hit crossfield to Hugo or McCormack, especially from left. It's all about mix and match.
Anyone who saw Smith first three touches at Reading will know that's not an improvement on what we have.
blokes a donkey just like Hutchinson. if hugo is not to play, it has to be Woodrow as he has a much better touch and is less likely to cost us a game
Quote from: fulhamben on September 24, 2014, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: MJG on September 24, 2014, 10:11:39 AM
That would be a knock back by Hugo that led to a goal.... Was that not effective?
You know exactly what I mean. People will moan that we are not playing football and just hitting it long. Last night you could see a deliberate tactic to hit crossfield to Hugo or McCormack, especially from left. It's all about mix and match.
Anyone who saw Smith first three touches at Reading will know that's not an improvement on what we have.
blokes a donkey just like Hutchinson. if hugo is not to play, it has to be Woodrow as he has a much better touch and is less likely to cost us a game
But as we saw with the Burn goal it would be nice to have a target to aim for from time to time.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 24, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: westcliff white on September 24, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: cmg on September 24, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
It's quite an interesting little one that nobdy I've asked seems to know for sure.
One would think that the FA's website should be definitive.
The regs say 3 of the Club's competitive matches, without mentioning the player's eligibilty for these games.
That is how i understand it, its 3 of the clubs games irrespective of if a player is available or not. Imagine if the player was injured, would the 3 game ban not start until he was fit? or if he got injured in training during a ban is it then suspended?
you can still play a game injured though.
not if you have a hamstring issue or such, my point is the rules stae it to mean games that the club has and not games the player is available for
Quote from: westcliff white on September 24, 2014, 10:27:45 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 24, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: westcliff white on September 24, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: cmg on September 24, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
It's quite an interesting little one that nobdy I've asked seems to know for sure.
One would think that the FA's website should be definitive.
The regs say 3 of the Club's competitive matches, without mentioning the player's eligibilty for these games.
That is how i understand it, its 3 of the clubs games irrespective of if a player is available or not. Imagine if the player was injured, would the 3 game ban not start until he was fit? or if he got injured in training during a ban is it then suspended?
you can still play a game injured though.
not if you have a hamstring issue or such, my point is the rules stae it to mean games that the club has and not games the player is available for
yes but an injured player is still legible to play, its just they dont, a cup tied player isnt
Do we even want him to play? I like the line up how it is.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 24, 2014, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: westcliff white on September 24, 2014, 10:27:45 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 24, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: westcliff white on September 24, 2014, 10:10:34 AM
Quote from: cmg on September 24, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
It's quite an interesting little one that nobdy I've asked seems to know for sure.
One would think that the FA's website should be definitive.
The regs say 3 of the Club's competitive matches, without mentioning the player's eligibilty for these games.
That is how i understand it, its 3 of the clubs games irrespective of if a player is available or not. Imagine if the player was injured, would the 3 game ban not start until he was fit? or if he got injured in training during a ban is it then suspended?
you can still play a game injured though.
not if you have a hamstring issue or such, my point is the rules stae it to mean games that the club has and not games the player is available for
yes but an injured player is still legible to play, its just they dont, a cup tied player isnt
under the rule as written it is irrelevant as its on the clubs games, some people in the past have asked for this to be changed including if a player is injured, stating a ban should only apply to games the a he is illegible for and b is available for selection (as in being fit). so from that perspective and according to the FA site he is now available. if we want to pick him. from Kits perspective it is good news as he has as many fit players as possible to choose form. Personally i think we should be playing Woodrow and Ross up front, with Dembele and Hugo and Smith as their back ups.
I for one do not want him to start. He should never have been bought in the first place, If FM wanted a big target man, we should have turned to Trotta who is a good target man, but also very capable of playing the ball on the floor.
In an ideal world Woodrow would be ahead of Rodallega and Smith.
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on September 24, 2014, 12:12:29 PM
I for one do not want him to start. He should never have been bought in the first place, If FM wanted a big target man, we should have turned to Trotta who is a good target man, but also very capable of playing the ball on the floor.
In an ideal world Woodrow would be ahead of Rodallega and Smith.
I'm guessing we'll know good and well how the club views Marcelo by how Kit treats him in his time as caretaker/manager.
"a ban should only apply to games the a he is illegible for "
I guess that means you can't see his name on the team sheet ?
As it stands he should be available for sat v brum.
A straight red is a 3 match ban. This ban is only for games he is eligible for. As he wasn't eligible for Doncaster due to being cup-tied, he should have 1 more game of his ban left.
Quote from: Holders on September 24, 2014, 07:33:33 AM
We need to check it out carefully before playing him and not rely on what's on a website!
you mean in fantasy football? Cause, you know, WE don't play him otherwise.
Quote from: J.Perkins on September 24, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
A straight red is a 3 match ban. This ban is only for games he is eligible for. As he wasn't eligible for Doncaster due to being cup-tied, he should have 1 more game of his ban left.
Thank you for clarifying that in such a dogmatic fashion.
Will you tell the FA they are wrong, or shall we take a chance that they don't notice?
He no longer appears on their current suspension list.
David Beckham intentionally committed a yellow-card foul against Wales in a World Cup qualifier played in October 2004. He later explained he'd sustained a rib injury which he knew would sideline him for the next match, so wanted to get his second caution of the qualifiers to allow him to serve the one-match ban while hurt and then be all square afterwards.
It didn't matter that he was unfit to play so clearly injuries don't count.
I think the club does need to check about Smith. It doesn't matter if the FA has made a mistake, if we play Smith and he later turns out to be ineligible - even if we picked him in good faith - we'll lose the points.
that actually may not be the case anymore, Sunderland played an ineligible player last season and got a warning.
Quote from: domprague on September 25, 2014, 10:43:50 AM
David Beckham intentionally committed a yellow-card foul against Wales in a World Cup qualifier played in October 2004. He later explained he'd sustained a rib injury which he knew would sideline him for the next match, so wanted to get his second caution of the qualifiers to allow him to serve the one-match ban while hurt and then be all square afterwards.
It didn't matter that he was unfit to play so clearly injuries don't count.
I think the club does need to check about Smith. It doesn't matter if the FA has made a mistake, if we play Smith and he later turns out to be ineligible - even if we picked him in good faith - we'll lose the points.
Points? Sorry, not familiar to me. Please explain.
Quote from: domprague on September 25, 2014, 10:43:50 AM
David Beckham intentionally committed a yellow-card foul against Wales in a World Cup qualifier played in October 2004. He later explained he'd sustained a rib injury which he knew would sideline him for the next match, so wanted to get his second caution of the qualifiers to allow him to serve the one-match ban while hurt and then be all square afterwards.
It didn't matter that he was unfit to play so clearly injuries don't count.
I think the club does need to check about Smith. It doesn't matter if the FA has made a mistake, if we play Smith and he later turns out to be ineligible - even if we picked him in good faith - we'll lose the points.
I know some parts of the club have been ran dreadfully but I'm sure they're on top of eligible players!!!!
Quote from: westcliff white on September 25, 2014, 10:45:07 AM
that actually may not be the case anymore, Sunderland played an ineligible player last season and got a warning.
Apparently the premier league has different rules to the football league. Had they done that in the championship they probably would've been deducted points. I personally think its dodgy and maybe we should just not play him saturday.
Exactly.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/may/03/gus-poyet-sunderland-points-ji-dong-won-ineligible (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/may/03/gus-poyet-sunderland-points-ji-dong-won-ineligible)
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 25, 2014, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on September 25, 2014, 10:45:07 AM
that actually may not be the case anymore, Sunderland played an ineligible player last season and got a warning.
Apparently the premier league has different rules to the football league. Had they done that in the championship they probably would've been deducted points. I personally think its dodgy and maybe we should just not play him saturday.
I think the big question is: Do we trust the administration at the club to get this right? On their recent showings I would say no and to err on the side of caution would probably be the best move.
Just ring the bloody FA and get an answer in writing. Then if it is wrong it is down to them
these last couple of posts are kind of hilarious
