From the offal. Well there's no messing about there
Chairman Shahid Khan today named a five-person search committee to provide guidance and leadership in identifying and reviewing candidates to serve as the next First Team Manager of Fulham Football Club.
Khan said two weeks ago that he will lead the search and ultimately appoint the position, but would seek counsel from qualified football people from within, close to or outside the Fulham organisation. In the case of all five committee members, knowledge of and respect for the traditions and standards of Fulham was a must for consideration.
"I've got the right five men to help us find the right man for Fulham," Khan said. "They each bring something similar, and yet unique, to the search. They understand what we want to achieve and they're committed to the process. And they very much respect Fulham. They know this is a special job for a manager and they want to play a role in making sure we get this right for everyone who plays for Fulham or loves the Club. And we will."
The members of the committee, in alphabetical order:
David Daly. Daly is Senior Director of Club and Federation business at Nike. He is a lifelong Fulham fan who, as a child, regularly attended matches in the Hammersmith End and continues to be a Season Ticket Holder from his office in Amsterdam. Daly's keen understanding of the Fulham culture and professional experience in the world of football will offer a distinctive point of view in the managerial search.
Huw Jennings. Jennings has more than 20 years of experience of developing young talent for the professional game. He is responsible for managing the Category One-ranked Fulham Academy programme through the U21 level, covering areas from player acquisition and contracts, staff engagement and deployment among many other important duties. Jennings' views on ensuring continued player development at the First Team level will be valuable in the managerial search.
Brian McBride. A popular captain at Fulham and hero for the United States men's national team, McBride remains linked to the international game and his passion for Fulham is as vibrant as ever. Given the rich history of U.S. talent at Fulham, McBride's service to the Chairman and search committee will strengthen that connection as Fulham rebuilds for the future and ultimately eyes global growth.
Danny Murphy. The spirited former captain at Fulham and based in London, Murphy is only recently removed from his playing career and therefore offers an important point of view on what will work best for a manager in today's football environment and, in particular, at a club with the tradition and respect as Fulham. Murphy's love for Fulham and desire to contribute to his former club are both unqualified.
Niall Quinn. A former Ireland national team star, Quinn briefly attended the Fulham Academy before playing 17 seasons in English football with Arsenal and Manchester City before landing at Sunderland, where he would forge an impressive career as a player, manager and chairman. In his first season as chairman, in 2006-2007, Quinn led the Black Cats back into the Premier League and kept the club there for six seasons. Quinn was heralded at Sunderland for his ability to connect community with club.
All five committee members spoke last week with Khan, and all but McBride met in London within the past few days with Mark Lamping, the president of the Jacksonville Jaguars of the National Football League and a non‑executive director on the Fulham Board of Directors. Khan met with Daly last month in London, and Khan and Lamping met with McBride during the summer at a United States men's national team match in Jacksonville.
Last week, Khan told Kit Symons, the current caretaker manager, that he is considered a candidate to assume the role of first team manager on a full-time basis.
"But this will be an exhaustive, thorough and deliberate process," Khan said in his programme notes on Saturday, Sept. 20. "No decisions will be made for the sake of deadlines or convenience. I plan to summon a number of qualified advisors for input, some within or close to the Fulham family and others who will bring a perspective from outside the Club. In the end the decision will be mine, but the choice will be made with the benefit of excellent and highly respected counsel. This process is already underway and I look forward to tackling the challenge and opportunity ahead."
Good to see they've got some Fulham legends in there. Wonder if Murphy will put himself forward lol
It's a pretty formidable team! I really like the sound if it, and would put a lot of faith in a few members of that group. It does seem odd to make such a public display of it.
Quote from: Whiteroom on September 30, 2014, 03:09:50 PM
It's a pretty formidable team! I really like the sound if it, and would put a lot of faith in a few members of that group. It does seem odd to make such a public display of it.
Maybe Khan feels a bit stung by the opinions expressed of him. Billionaires don't like looking like fools
Wow I'm inpressed
I think we mean business.. Has Kahn finally seen the light?
To me it proves his continued commitment to our club
Interesting aswell that Ali Mac isnt mentioned whatsoever.
Great news. Sounds like he knows there were too many hasty decisions last year based on bad advice.
Excellent news / communication with the fans.
We have to be one of the weirdest clubs ever. Has this ever been done before?
David Daly. Daly is Senior Director of Club and Federation business at Nike. his office in Amsterdam.
I hope the others shout him down if he suggests a Dutch man :026:
Very impressive team, im gob smacked.
I trust between those 5 brains they will have the right answer and more importantly they understand fulham. Interesting to add niall quinn but a shrewd choice in my eyes.
At least this proves ali mac wasnt trusted to make another big call, dont really see why hes still in a job if he isnt responsible for these kind of decisions any more. Its also good that khan made it public because now we know whos decision it will be and we are finally being kept in the loop.
I think that's an answer to those questioning the appointment of Magath in the first place and whoever did it (Ali Mac probably) is not in the committee. But this isn't our old Fulham that did things behind closed doors and I don't know if it's for better or worse.
Quote from: Ordar on September 30, 2014, 03:16:28 PM
Interesting aswell that Ali Mac isnt mentioned whatsoever.
What
aswell party this is !
Ali Mac is a accountant by trade and a numbers man. I can understand him not being involved. Good to see Khan doing this and I like the transparency.
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 30, 2014, 03:18:11 PM
Very impressive team, im gob smacked.
Me too.
An extraordinarily innovative move and an impressive bunch of names. Well played, Mr K.
(If I may be allowed to be just a bit cynical - it provides a nice, collectively broad back to share in any blame, which, hopefully won't be required.)
Quote from: KCat on September 30, 2014, 03:18:02 PM
David Daly. Daly is Senior Director of Club and Federation business at Nike. his office in Amsterdam.
I hope the others shout him down if he suggests a Dutch man :026:
I am VERY sure that will NOT be the case.....
Daly - corporate focused
Jennings - academy focused
Murphy - Fulham focused
McBride - global/Fulham focused
Quinn - football focused
Nice mix there.
Quote from: Whiteroom on September 30, 2014, 03:09:50 PM
It's a pretty formidable team! I really like the sound if it, and would put a lot of faith in a few members of that group. It does seem odd to make such a public display of it.
An inspired bit of PR if you ask me. Three poor managerial decisions in, three poor transfer windows in (if judged by the following results) and Khan has to know that confidence in the decisionmaking at the club is at an all time low. What better way to assure the supporters that he and the club have only the best intentions in mind than to be so public about such a strong list of advisors. People who say Khan is an absentee owner must now realize that he is paying attention, learning, and acting in our club's best interests.
Lack of communication and poor communication has lost the administrators of the club's business a great deal of trust. One need only pay a bit of passing attention to this board to learn this. Being overt and communicative (as much as is possible) in this process will help to win that back. Well, that and finally making a good and successful managerial choice.
Quote from: cmg on September 30, 2014, 03:27:29 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 30, 2014, 03:18:11 PM
Very impressive team, im gob smacked.
Me too.
An extraordinarily innovative move and an impressive bunch of names. Well played, Mr K.
(If I may be allowed to be just a bit cynical - it provides a nice, collectively broad back to share in any blame, which, hopefully won't be required.)
I think there's plenty of room for cynicism here. He's going about this search in the safest way possible. I believe one would be hard pressed to find a supporter who thinks that list of advisors wouldn't want Fulham to be successful and return to it's place in the PL. Khan can then safely insert himself into the decisionmaking process and make the final call knowing that that panel of people would have the trust of the supporters. If the choice is the right one, he still made the ultimate call and got it right. If the choice fails, then the best advisors that could be found for Fulham just got it wrong.
I hope that he can keep this advisory panel together in some way and continue to lean on them. They will get more right for Fulham than they will get wrong.
Very good move. Bit worried about Quinn's presence. Hope it does not
a) preclude Murphy putting his name forward
b) Kit being seriously considered.
But good.
I feel Khan time and time again tries to prove he has Fulham's best interest at heart only to get smacked for it. Khan is learning the English game. No, I don't mean football. I mean being an OWNER of an English team. He got thrown under a bus the minute he purchased the club and has been plagued with mistakes ever since. Yet he hasn't given up. He is still marching on.
For me this is very good news and appreciate what he is doing for our club. I'm very impressed that Khan has put together not only a committee with impressive football knowledge but love4ffc (see what I did there?). Khan has brought in a businessman who is a ST, a current FFC employee, and three ex-players of the highest levels, including two well respected captains. To me the only thing that could make it even better would to include a dedicated fan from FOF.
Also the fact that AM is not included tells me he is listening to the fans and does not fully trust AM with such an important decision.
As for making it public, I think he truely wants to show the fans that he is dedicated to keeping his word and wants to show that he knows he can't take on the task of finding us a new manager alone. Smart man in my eyes.
Go on Mr. Khan, show 'em you mean business! 049:gif 051 049:gif
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on September 30, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: cmg on September 30, 2014, 03:27:29 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 30, 2014, 03:18:11 PM
Very impressive team, im gob smacked.
Me too.
An extraordinarily innovative move and an impressive bunch of names. Well played, Mr K.
(If I may be allowed to be just a bit cynical - it provides a nice, collectively broad back to share in any blame, which, hopefully won't be required.)
I think there's plenty of room for cynicism here. He's going about this search in the safest way possible. I believe one would be hard pressed to find a supporter who thinks that list of advisors wouldn't want Fulham to be successful and return to it's place in the PL. Khan can then safely insert himself into the decisionmaking process and make the final call knowing that that panel of people would have the trust of the supporters. If the choice is the right one, he still made the ultimate call and got it right. If the choice fails, then the best advisors that could be found for Fulham just got it wrong.
I hope that he can keep this advisory panel together in some way and continue to lean on them. They will get more right for Fulham than they will get wrong.
Agreed. Now Mr Kahn needs to stay away from using, avoid relegation/ gain promotion by (date) in future statements.
That's what I take from announcing search committee.
Cynical = 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' ?
I have never felt the need to criticise Mr. Khan. He has thrown £'millions at the club and no chairman/owner operates without lieutenants and advisers. One can only presume, and with hindsight, that some advisers let him down, albeit with the best intentions. Now he is being very transparent on the search for a new manager and the efforts to get things back on track.
Who knows where it will end ? - when was success ever guaranteed in football ? - but at least we now know that there is some proper direction.
That is a fantastic set of advisors, and the thought that has gone into gathering them together suggests Khan's heart really is in the right place. It felt a bit weird when I first read the announcement, but I'm liking this more and more.
sounds impressive.surprised if we end up with a dud manager this time.
Hmm. It is unlikely that they will all agree, so it will still be the owner's decision.
I am sure he has dug into his pockets to acquire their services to boot. Like the sound of the lineup but I do feel this is a step away from Kit.
Quote from: Eggs for Breakfast on September 30, 2014, 04:29:50 PM
Hmm. It is unlikely that they will all agree, so it will still be the owner's decision.
yes maybe, but at least they will come up with a list of good candidates. a better list than rene, curbs, butch, felix I imagine.
In think it will mean Kit will have three weeks to put his name forward as a credible manager or fail in the attempt. Not sure if the task force over complicates things but at least we can't say they aren't trying to find the right solution.
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on September 30, 2014, 04:34:30 PM
I am sure he has dug into his pockets to acquire their services to boot. Like the sound of the lineup but I do feel this is a step away from Kit.
Sadly you are probably correct sir.
Quote from: Eggs for Breakfast on September 30, 2014, 04:29:50 PM
Hmm. It is unlikely that they will all agree, so it will still be the owner's decision.
... which would only serve to show how difficult it is to identify the person who will be able manage the Club better than anyone else. Even if it is the case that more than one name is recommended, we can at least have confidence that whomever Khan appoints will be good for the Club.
Not at all. He has been given time to make his mark and we will see just good or bad things are. My reading of other articles means that I reckon Kit will have time to make his mark. If he just cant turn it around in the short term then there will be alternate names that will be reached and approached.
You'd assume that he has a number of friends on the committee
Quote from: love4ffc on September 30, 2014, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on September 30, 2014, 04:34:30 PM
I am sure he has dug into his pockets to acquire their services to boot. Like the sound of the lineup but I do feel this is a step away from Kit.
Sadly you are probably correct sir.
Murphy knows Kit, Jennings knows Kit, pretty sure McBride will know Kit. Dont see how it a step away if hes the right man he will get the job, and this is about finding the right man.
If Kit doesnt make it permanent job I certainly hope this 5 man force makes him at least assistant manager :)
'How many 'men' .....jokes'
....... does it take to choose a decent manager. Ask Beserker and I, and we could sort it and do the housework in a few hours lol
Actually if he really needs 5 of them, I suppose we could do a lot worse :022:
Why hire search committee if they thought he'd be permanent?
Quote from: NJFulham on September 30, 2014, 04:54:06 PM
Why hire search committee if they thought he'd be permanent?
They don't think he will be permanent but he has as much chance with a good performance than anybody else. But alternatives will be looked at.
First sensible move since Kahn bought the club. I'm intrigued.
I suspect they will advise on the complete management structure of the first team including Director of football and managers assistants in addition to the main post. None of this bringing in the entire taffia etc every bloody time.
Quote from: jms on September 30, 2014, 04:51:01 PM
'How many 'men' .....jokes'
....... does it take to choose a decent manager. Ask Beserker and I, and we could sort it and do the housework in a few hours lol
Actually if he really needs 5 of them, I suppose we could do a lot worse :022:
Yes that is the problem isn't it? You get five men together :group hug: without a good women to keep them inline and they'll liable to get pissed and play the ponies. 078.gif
Haha, wish I could be there....
I agree this is good news and a very positive step. Was beginning to wonder whom Khan might turn to for advice - particularly given the FFC Board's composition.
I think its more likely that Kit would be part of a management team. After all, he is inexperienced and unproven at this level. Needs a guiding hand imo.
Let's hope he adds some of them to the Board. With Danny, Quinn and Brian as Directors Khan would never be short of solid footballing advice.
Just seen the shortlist of people that they are reviewing:
Alan Dicks
Don McKay
Felix Magath
Lawrie Sanchez
Graeme Souness
Kit Symons
I wonder who'll they'll choose?
What happens if the five man task force picks themselves as the new management team?
Is Niall Quinn going to replace Macintosh as he did at Man city?
We can think and infer what we like but fact is that none of us know at the moment and at this stage that will include the search committee. Fact is that Kit is a candidate, he has announced his desire for the job and has one clear advantage - he is auditioning for the role.
Even if this "selection committee" gets it wrong our chairman has shown superb marketing skills pulling them together to deliver the next messiah.
I too think is a step away from Kit and the non inclusion of our CEO signals dark clouds on the horizon for his future prospects.
Very interesting Niall Quinn is included, I have suggested his name as our new CEO in the recent past.
Well done, Mr Chairman .... transparent and asperational for Fulham Fans to read
The good thing is that there is nothing to suggest that Kit will not be considered, and in the time it takes for the committee to come to a decision, Kit has the opportunity to prove himself above other contenders.
Perhaps this is the time for Kit to suggest to Danny he should be his #2? :023:
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 30, 2014, 05:25:48 PM
What happens if the five man task force picks themselves as the new management team?
I really don't think they can pick one of their own number which is a shame because Brian and Danny would be on my short list.
Quote from: F(f)CUK on September 30, 2014, 05:25:36 PM
Just seen the shortlist of people that they are reviewing:
Alan Dicks
Don McKay
Felix Magath
Lawrie Sanchez
Graeme Souness
Kit Symons
I wonder who'll they'll choose?
Hard to say, most of them have a solid Fulham connection. I'd like Souness, he is part of our history, where would we have been without his rousing words to encourage the lads before we beat Blackburn in April 2000? :dead horse:
Quote from: filham on September 30, 2014, 05:37:42 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 30, 2014, 05:25:48 PM
What happens if the five man task force picks themselves as the new management team?
I really don't think they can pick one of their own number which is a shame because Brian and Danny would be on my short list.
Dont know its been done before cant remember what club it was at.
Quote from: Rupert on September 30, 2014, 05:39:50 PM
Quote from: F(f)CUK on September 30, 2014, 05:25:36 PM
Just seen the shortlist of people that they are reviewing:
Alan Dicks
Don McKay
Felix Magath
Lawrie Sanchez
Graeme Souness
Kit Symons
I wonder who'll they'll choose?
Hard to say, most of them have a solid Fulham connection. I'd like Souness, he is part of our history, where would we have been without his rousing words to encourage the lads before we beat Blackburn in April 2000? :dead horse:
Oh no Souness used to be a neighbour of my Mother in Law.
Strange and unprescedented move from Khan to make his advisory board public, but a masterful piece of PR given we have looked laugh a laughing stock lately for our decision-making and the confidence of the fans in the powers that be is at an all time low.
Will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
Good to see the lengths that Khan is going to, provided that 5 people can reach an agreement.
Does it not though once again highlight that no one on the board has any idea about football to make their own decision.
Excellent news. Couldn't have picked a better team if I'd chosen it myself. Perhaps khan has decided it's time for a more hands on approach from himself. Not before time.
VERY pleased to hear this. An exceptional group of people. Really glad to have Danny on board, the others each add credibility. Well done Mr Khan, it feels like you are listening. If you need a sixth member, give me a call!
Endorse the above - all good news. If Kit keeps winning, however, it won't be a difficult decision ... just his team, who should be 'Fulhamish.'
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haven't read through the previous pages so apologies if this has been said before but this is a poke in the eye for Ali Mac to not be included after his last two wonder signings
Great news. Excellent team with enough Fulham history to know what the club's about. If they can't get it right, not sure who would.
I'd endorse that, keep winning Kit and make it impossible for the committee to look elsewhere!
The two games after Bolton will tip the balance.
Quote from: epsomraver on September 30, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
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haven't read through the previous pages so apologies if this has been said before but this is a poke in the eye for Ali Mac to not be included after his last two wonder signings
Wouldn't surprise me at all to hear that he'd resigned sometime during the summer after this season.
Though, perhaps he's best left to the business side of things and that's something that's acceptable to all parties. Just possible that he was asked to do more than was within his capabilities.
I can see that any manager appointed by that group would give Khan the confidence to entrust him with worthwhile funds in January.
Quote from: epsomraver on September 30, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
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haven't read through the previous pages so apologies if this has been said before but this is a poke in the eye for Ali Mac to not be included after his last two wonder signings
I agree it is, but it may be a relief for Ali Mac as well. He really seems to be better suited for other things in the running of a club and is perhaps not well suited to select managers or players, but has had to in the recent past due to, perhaps, an assumption by our new owner that Ali Mac was well qualified to make those recommendations.
Niall Quinn is in Lisbon tonight commentating for Sky Sports.
During part of his pre match interview he fielded questions on his involvement with FFC selection committee, he stuck to the script published on the offal but when pressed on when they report back to Mr Khan he put forward 3 weeks.
Just as I suspected...... The day after the Norwich game.
Quote from: epsomraver on September 30, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
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haven't read through the previous pages so apologies if this has been said before but this is a poke in the eye for Ali Mac to not be included after his last two wonder signings
Well you should!!!!! We expect speedy wingers like you to track back
Quote from: Fernhurst on September 30, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on September 30, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
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haven't read through the previous pages so apologies if this has been said before but this is a poke in the eye for Ali Mac to not be included after his last two wonder signings
Well you should!!!!! We expect speedy wingers like you to track back
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I hope all five will get to comment on the managers proposed by each other, so that the discussion will be robust and end in a final list of one to three available managers which will then go up to Shahid for his final decision. It would be quite a dilemma for Khan if Kit wins or at least ties every game before they meet to submit their final short list. But I just don't think Kit will get the top job in the end. Too risky not to go with a manager with a proven record of great success at the Championship and/or EPL level. Might not be fair, but that's the influence of financial considerations for you on today's game.
If they come up with a manager that has the ability to read the game like Danny, the heart of McBride and the determination of both, we will have been well served.
Interesting stuff, certainly a strong panel, and a good move on Khan's part.
Let's not forget though that the role of the panel is to review, consider, advise and to recommend.
Not to appoint.
So to that extent Ali Mac as CEO will probably have oversight and perhaps even be the one to make the decision re any appointment, with Khan's agreement.
None of these have managed so their input into the selection process for me is bizarre. If we had a panel of Sir Alex, curbs, hoddle etc then I would imagine that would be more appropriate. Obviously hope it works but a weird option for me
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Quote from: epsomraver on September 30, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
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haven't read through the previous pages so apologies if this has been said before but this is a poke in the eye for Ali Mac to not be included after his last two wonder signings
I agree it is, but it may be a relief for Ali Mac as well. He really seems to be better suited for other things in the running of a club and is perhaps not well suited to select managers or players, but has had to in the recent past due to, perhaps, an assumption by our new owner that Ali Mac was well qualified to make those recommendations.
..........................except Quinn and Ali Mac have previous ................................... they are probably still good pals
Standard practice in large corporation is to have committee to appoint CEO or other senior roles, it probably says more about how flawed the normal process in football seems to be, ie how did Magath get appointed, had anyone actually done any reference checks? Also make the issue of Kit Symons's candidacy being much more formal, there was a risk that if he does ok in 3-4 games he gets appointed whether truly is the best long term solution or not.
Question remaining is who selects who the gang of 5 get to review? I wonder if they have a recruiter out there doing a search? In any major business - other than football - that would be SOP.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on September 30, 2014, 03:14:51 PM
To me it proves his continued commitment to our club
Was just going to say this
"Question remaining is who selects who the gang of 5 get to review? I wonder if they have a recruiter out there doing a search? In any major business - other than football - that would be SOP."
You've made me start thinking as to how managers are found, considered and appointed, with my thoughts being either via agents pushing their clients cv's out to all newly available positions or just the same old names that float about for every managerial position in England, ie Pulis, Curbishley, etc etc. I wonder if other leagues operate with the same managerial merry go round as well....
I doubt there will be a recruiter involved, however after khan has given his direction on the type of appointment he wants to make, eg, strong possibility to succeed and gain promotion, ability to develop youth and ability to relate to Fulham. I'd then hope all candidates are asked to nominate 5-10 candidates for consideration, with kit being automatically considered as he's an FFC employee and is acting in that position already.
If we have a list of 25 to 40 candidates assuming that there will be some cross over, briefs are then prepared on all of them (ie managerial record, known strengths/weaknesses, youth promotion record, transfer policy etc) and then after reviewing all briefs separately, the panel meets to discuss and score each against Khan's directive.
From there, Khan is given a detailed shortlist with recommendations, and Khan will then interview and appoint
It has occurred to me that, if any one of us on this forum had come up with the idea of such a task-force, and more-or-less the same constituent members, then the rest of us would have said, "Yeah, fantastic idea - but in your dreams!".
The first duty of the committee at their first meeting is to decide to have another meeting to avoid having to make a decision there and then.
...then they sweat it out with loosened ties around a table like "12 Angry Men", eventually coming up with a decision (bearing in mind the saying "A camel is a horse that was designed by a committee")
The recommendation is duly made and presented to the owner....
....who then goes out and gets who he was told to get by one of his mates.
Quote from: ron on September 30, 2014, 11:32:21 PM
The first duty of the committee at their first meeting is to decide to have another meeting to avoid having to make a decision there and then.
...then they sweat it out with loosened ties around a table like "12 Angry Men", eventually coming up with a decision (bearing in mind the saying "A camel is a horse that was designed by a committee")
The recommendation is duly made and presented to the owner....
....who then goes out and gets who he was told to get by one of his mates.
Amen ! What a lot of nonsense all this is on here. The world is in turmoil and we have all these pages on who will manage my / our football team. I think we must all get a grip .....and we still don't need 5 blokes to tell us. Get in there kit tomorrow, and make it a simple choice 049:gif
Thrilled to see Huw Jennings in the circle. He must have hated seeing his charges so woefully managed by Magath and would most likely have left for a better opportunity which would have been a disaster for the club's future. Kahn has given him the respect he deserves in inviting him onto the advisory committee.
Nogood "Huw must be a Welshie too, isit" Boyo
Quote from: ron on September 30, 2014, 11:32:21 PM
The first duty of the committee at their first meeting is to decide to have another meeting to avoid having to make a decision there and then.
...then they sweat it out with loosened ties around a table like "12 Angry Men", eventually coming up with a decision (bearing in mind the saying "A camel is a horse that was designed by a committee")
The recommendation is duly made and presented to the owner....
....who then goes out and gets who he was told to get by one of his mates.
No i'm sure the first task of the committee will be whose organising the tea and biscuits.
Well we seem to have tried everything else, so maybe this will work, though I am not sure what effect this will have on Kit if he is not selected and he probably is not in the running, if he were why waste more money on appointing this team. Not worried about the CEO, though he should have been sacked prior to this announcement or at the very least not kept informed of what is going on, can't be good for his morale either. Not sure what the players will think about what is going on, tonights performance might give us a clue. I am all for sorting out our club, 2 footballing experts appointed last season to help the management and that didn't work, now apparently 5 more experts to recommend a new manager. It really does sound like crisis management to me, the problems are more fundamental than the choice of a new manager but then maybe the new manager might be instrumental in sorting out the real problems i.e quality of the squad!!
I think our fundamental weakness during Khan's time has been lack of football knowhow in the Board Room. The club simply hasn't known how to deal with football management failure.
I see this as more than a recruitment device because it's an acknowledgement that it's a systemic failure rather than, simply, a succession of bad managers although, as a result, it's been that as well.
It may lead to greater long term involvement by any or all of the committee as Board Members, CEO or Director of Football.
I don't doubt Khan's good intentions althogh obviously some do but we can't be run from America by a well meaning amateur and just maybe he's recognising that.
As for AM it's a question, I think, of how effective he is in the non football side of the business. That's really what he's at the club for.
Have I missed something, what's the link between Niall Quinn & Alistair Mackintosh ?
Quote from: Fernhurst on September 30, 2014, 07:22:15 PM
Niall Quinn is in Lisbon tonight commentating for Sky Sports.
During part of his pre match interview he fielded questions on his involvement with FFC selection committee, he stuck to the script published on the offal but when pressed on when they report back to Mr Khan he put forward 3 weeks.
Just as I suspected...... The day after the Norwich game.
Three weeks is quite a long time for determining a new manager. It shows that the club is not desperate and therefore is showing faith in Kit. Whether such faith will be sufficient to get him the job, we will see. Although not necessarily a delaying tactic, it does give Kit (who in management terms is likely to have one of the weakest CVs) time to demonstrate his ability to do the job or not.
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Niall Quinn is in Lisbon tonight commentating for Sky Sports.
During part of his pre match interview he fielded questions on his involvement with FFC selection committee, he stuck to the script published on the offal but when pressed on when they report back to Mr Khan he put forward 3 weeks.
Just as I suspected...... The day after the Norwich game.
Three weeks is quite a long time for determining a new manager. It shows that the club is not desperate and therefore is showing faith in Kit. Whether such faith will be sufficient to get him the job, we will see. Although not necessarily a delaying tactic, it does give Kit (who in management terms is likely to have one of the weakest CVs) time to demonstrate his ability to do the job or not.
Yes, and still plenty early enough to assess the squad before January.
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haven't read through the previous pages so apologies if this has been said before but this is a poke in the eye for Ali Mac to not be included after his last two wonder signings
I agree it is, but it may be a relief for Ali Mac as well. He really seems to be better suited for other things in the running of a club and is perhaps not well suited to select managers or players, but has had to in the recent past due to, perhaps, an assumption by our new owner that Ali Mac was well qualified to make those recommendations.
..........................except Quinn and Ali Mac have previous ................................... they are probably still good pals
Where do they have previous from ?
We could sell the rights to the BBC or Sky, I mean The Apprentice is popular we could make a few quid of of this . Get the candidates together in a big hotel near Motspur park and Mr Khan can set them task each week to see how good they are at their jobs and not all billy bulpooers.
Will this allow Khan to consider Pulis ?
Quote from: FulhamStu on October 01, 2014, 10:45:44 AM
Will this allow Khan to consider Pulis ?
There is no way on earth that group would put forward Pulis
Why not MJG, I am not saying I want him but no worse than some other names being thrown about.
I am really for this, great decision by Khan.
Kit wins his next couple of games and it could be an easy decision. Even more so with Huw and Murphy are on the panel.
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on October 01, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
Why not MJG, I am not saying I want him but no worse than some other names being thrown about.
I am really for this, great decision by Khan.
Kit wins his next couple of games and it could be an easy decision. Even more so with Huw and Murphy are on the panel.
Because if the idea is to use these people because they 'understand' Fulham, the club and its fans, then they know that Pulis would not be welcome by the vast majority.
Quote from: MJG on October 01, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on October 01, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
Why not MJG, I am not saying I want him but no worse than some other names being thrown about.
I am really for this, great decision by Khan.
Kit wins his next couple of games and it could be an easy decision. Even more so with Huw and Murphy are on the panel.
Because if the idea is to use these people because they 'understand' Fulham, the club and its fans, then they know that Pulis would not be welcome by the vast majority.
In my earlier post, I put a list of joke names forming the list of prospective managers. I included Graeme Souness, Alan Dicks, Lawrie Sanchez, Felix Magath etc. I did not include Pulis. A year ago I would have included him. I agree that there would be issues with some people accepting him, but it was noticeable that he did as well as anyone else when we had the poll on who should be the next manager. I put this down to his success at Palace and his ability to organise a defence.
Whether the tide has changed in terms of the majority of supporters, I do not know. However, I think that if he wants the job and is willing to apply then he should make the shortlist of potential managers to review by the group of five.
Quote from: F(f)CUK on October 01, 2014, 12:12:21 PM
Quote from: MJG on October 01, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: Deanothefulhamfan on October 01, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
Why not MJG, I am not saying I want him but no worse than some other names being thrown about.
I am really for this, great decision by Khan.
Kit wins his next couple of games and it could be an easy decision. Even more so with Huw and Murphy are on the panel.
Because if the idea is to use these people because they 'understand' Fulham, the club and its fans, then they know that Pulis would not be welcome by the vast majority.
In my earlier post, I put a list of joke names forming the list of prospective managers. I included Graeme Souness, Alan Dicks, Lawrie Sanchez, Felix Magath etc. I did not include Pulis. A year ago I would have included him. I agree that there would be issues with some people accepting him, but it was noticeable that he did as well as anyone else when we had the poll on who should be the next manager. I put this down to his success at Palace and his ability to organise a defence.
Whether the tide has changed in terms of the majority of supporters, I do not know. However, I think that if he wants the job and is willing to apply then he should make the shortlist of potential managers to review by the group of five.
Depends when you do a poll what is a majority.
I did a poll and 1300 people took part and he got 8%. You could argue that a majority of 92% would not want him ;-)
I doubt that Pulis walked out of Palace to take over at Fulham.
His Palace stint has put him in line for a medium size Premier League club such as Sunderland or Newcastle when the vacancy arises.
Well done mr Khan, excellent team
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 01, 2014, 12:17:13 PM
His Palace stint has put him in line for a medium size Premier League club such as Sunderland or Newcastle when the vacancy arises.
Agree 100% Tony. Pardew will get the sack pretty soon and Pulis is made for that job. He will do a good job for them too. I would be amazed if he ended up with us. Khan is taking this appointment very seriously, which is fantastic to see. A good panel which should find the right man for the job.
Moyes odds on for Newcastle job.Absolute cert.
IMHO, it's best to find someone "up and coming" who is hungry to create a name for himself than someone who has already had success at the highest levels. Experience is invaluable of course but I prefer to see the drive and innovation of someone who is gunning for success. That said, the right manager may be someone very few people have ever heard of.
Quote from: YoungsBitter on September 30, 2014, 09:19:23 PM
Standard practice in large corporation is to have committee to appoint CEO or other senior roles, it probably says more about how flawed the normal process in football seems to be, ie how did Magath get appointed, had anyone actually done any reference checks? Also make the issue of Kit Symons's candidacy being much more formal, there was a risk that if he does ok in 3-4 games he gets appointed whether truly is the best long term solution or not.
Question remaining is who selects who the gang of 5 get to review? I wonder if they have a recruiter out there doing a search? In any major business - other than football - that would be SOP.
The real reason behind a corporate committee s so that if he new bloke fails, no one can point the finger of blame at anyone. Plausible deniability. I'm not saying this is Khan's position but no one takes blame for anything in corporate life.
I prefer to believe that Khan recognizes that between himself and his Fulham staff, no one shines at being good at selecting gaffers.
