No need to rush the appointment, the other 2 candidates are no better anyway, hopefully Houghton goes to Brum, and Clarke just disappears. I think Kit is doing an OK job, still think he has a lot to learn, plus we're going to need someone with buying power in January to replace the experience we've lost. After tonight, it's clear as a bell that Magath was allowed to get rid of to much experience, and hoard far to many youth / fringe players, which in this division like this is impossible, especially when the games come as quick as they do.
If it was me, I'd leave Kit in temporary charge until Christmas / January, assess the situation then, and if we're on 24 odd points, consider giving him the full time position. If not, then someone else may be available by then.
I know this sounds horrible, but this is Kahn's investment, and will he want us bouncing around the Championship for a couple of seasons, why we try and test another manager? For me, he'll want to stabilize this, and push for promotion next.
How do we know Kit wont get some buying power? For what we know if he gets the permanen job he might get so or an Director of football to help him with this, and/or maybe bring in some of hes own coaching staff. We cant know unless he gets permanent job
I sort of agree, however what sort of signal does that send to Kit? He's improved morale and the points are totting up, so i think he's justified in wanting something permanent. I too have reservations about his experience and attacking strategies, but you can't ignore the results. I think Khan should offer Kit a short contract with options to extend.
I'm also sure that Khan is aware of supporter opinion, so it's likely he will appoint Kit to carry on the positive momentum.
i cant see khan giving it too kit on a temp basis. would look a bit silly to bring in a five man panel just to extend the tenure of your caretaker for a few months. we (fulham) either have to back kit to the hilt or replace him soon. no more half measures
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
unless of course, kit has been told to get so many points from certain games to get the job
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
This statement is Spot on, why are some fans seemingly thinking the grass is greener...
Need to give it to him til the end of the season at least. I'd say the end of next season, he's hardly going to be on a massive wage so won't be the end of the World if he has to go at the end of this season.
Think Charlton will be win or bust for his chances, can't see it dragging out longer than that.
It would be good to get an appointment soon, not sure I can take another Kit 'advert' at every press conference. I know he's responding to questions but it is becoming a bit relentless now.
We know Kit wants the job and he is doing his best to get results to back up his application, that it's right we appoint the right man etc,etc, but it's starting to wear me down. I just want to read and here about the team's performance which tends to be ignored by the press, just look at the BBC match report Managers comments piece.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
100% spot on. If this had been Pulis, Clarke, Hughton some would want that man on a long term contract
The way things are going right now it would be massively destabilising to appoint anyone other than Kit.
The results are good, the attitude of the players exceptional, the team is being set up efficiently and intelligently. What else are we looking for?
Buying power depends on Khan. The manager may identify targets but he doesn't negotiate contracts. He may sometimes have some personal pull but most players will move if they feel it's in their best interests to do so and money will be a very big part of that.
And do we need to bring anyone in? Unbelievably we have a dozen or so young players in and around the first team all doing well and with every likelihood of them improving.
I think we should appoint Kit now and sit back and enjoy some progress.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 22, 2014, 08:13:42 AM
The way things are going right now it would be massively destabilising to appoint anyone other than Kit.
The results are good, the attitude of the players exceptional, the team is being set up efficiently and intelligently. What else are we looking for?
Buying power depends on Khan. The manager may identify targets but he doesn't negotiate contracts. He may sometimes have some personal pull but most players will move if they feel it's in their best interests to do so and money will be a very big part of that.
And do we need to bring anyone in? Unbelievably we have a dozen or so young players in and around the first team all doing well and with every likelihood of them improving.
I think we should appoint Kit now and sit back and enjoy some progress.
Agree with all of this.
I'm sure Kit has plans in his head that he would like to implement. These will most likely only be able to take shape though once he given the job on permanent basis and is given the power to get the ball rolling.
Hopefully all will be decided either way after friday's game is out of the way.
Ridiculous idea. Everyone gets used to Kit only to then have more upheaval and change come January.
The team is fighting, playing for each other and for the badge. I haven't seen a Fulham team do this for about 2 years. When was the last time we went behind 3 times and came back every time? I can't see anyone else who could be the right man, anyone who would come here and could improve on Kit. He is a Fulham man through and through, he has got the club back to where it was, as close to it was when Roy was here. Kit deserves a chance more than anybody else to have the job permanently. To string him on longer and longer, to even suggest stringing him on until Christmas/January would only do damage and I would completely understand if he decided to walk away in those circumstances.
I think that a win on Friday would probably clinch it for him.
As to the need for acquisitions, it's plain to see that he's playing all the experienced players from last year that he has been left with. He may well therefore wish to bring in a limited number of experienced players to augment what he sees as key areas of weakness.
Quote from: shnlwswlkr on October 22, 2014, 09:14:38 AM
Ridiculous idea. Everyone gets used to Kit only to then have more upheaval and change come January.
The team is fighting, playing for each other and for the badge. I haven't seen a Fulham team do this for about 2 years. When was the last time we went behind 3 times and came back every time? I can't see anyone else who could be the right man, anyone who would come here and could improve on Kit. He is a Fulham man through and through, he has got the club back to where it was, as close to it was when Roy was here. Kit deserves a chance more than anybody else to have the job permanently. To string him on longer and longer, to even suggest stringing him on until Christmas/January would only do damage and I would completely understand if he decided to walk away in those circumstances.
Why is it a ridiculous idea? We're ticking along, everyone is used to Kit already for being around the club for 10 years, and we're in no desperate need to appoint. If Kit is the man, then the team will continue to fight, play for each other up until the Christmas / January period. If he's still doing the biz, then fair enough, give him the job on a full time basis and a contract to match, if he isn't, and a better candidate is available, we have options.
Yes he is a Fulham man through and through, so was Lee Clarke apparently, but look at him now. Club favorites or coaches don't necessarily make good managers, and can we afford to get this appointment wrong again? No.
The last thing I want for FFC is to do is appoint purely down to favoritism, or fan pressure. I'd rather the Club take time to assess the situation, and appoint for the best of the Club moving forward, and that means a swift return to the promised land, not another 2 or 3 seasons bouncing around the Championship with and average manager.
Now before everyone tares my head off for saying Kit's average, at this point in time he is, and I'd rather he'd be assessed for a little while longer yet before he's given the job. It's not called stringing him along, it's called being sensible.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 22, 2014, 08:13:42 AM
The way things are going right now it would be massively destabilising to appoint anyone other than Kit.
The results are good, the attitude of the players exceptional, the team is being set up efficiently and intelligently. What else are we looking for?
Buying power depends on Khan. The manager may identify targets but he doesn't negotiate contracts. He may sometimes have some personal pull but most players will move if they feel it's in their best interests to do so and money will be a very big part of that.
And do we need to bring anyone in? Unbelievably we have a dozen or so young players in and around the first team all doing well and with every likelihood of them improving.
I think we should appoint Kit now and sit back and enjoy some progress.
I 100% agree with that. But I guess, having appointed the panel of 5, that panel needs to show they have done their research, have evaluated all the options in detail, and are prepared to stand by their recommendation.
As the weeks have gone by, Kit has shown he can do the job, and I think it would be a brave decision not to appoint him. Do you know if the panel has a deadline? Surely they must have been instructed to come to a recommendation within a reasonable timeframe, you can't let it drag on for week after week after week.
But if Kit can continue to get results, it would make it more likely to that he gets the job. So lets keep our fingers crossed that the results are good, and that the panel would have to conclude that he is the best person.
I'd venture a guess and say Khan isn't convinced yet.
Quote from: fulhamben on October 22, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
unless of course, kit has been told to get so many points from certain games to get the job
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Now that has to be the daftest statement yet
Quote from: epsomraver on October 22, 2014, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 22, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
unless of course, kit has been told to get so many points from certain games to get the job
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Now that has to be the daftest statement yet
really, so giving kit the caretaker job and saying win 12 out of 18 points iand the job is yours is daft? better than giving the job to the failure that is known as hughton, on the back of an interview where he spurts out some unatainable vision for the future of the club
It would appear that Khan and the panel are desperate to be seen to be doing the "right thing" to the supporters and the football world and therefore evaluate all job offers.
Everyone in the frame has had their interview by now.
Maybe it is a results evaluation for KS as posted above
Quote from: Baszab on October 22, 2014, 01:55:45 PM
It would appear that Khan and the panel are desperate to be seen to be doing the "right thing" to the supporters and the football world and therefore evaluate all job offers.
Everyone in the frame has had their interview by now.
Maybe it is a results evaluation for KS as posted above
i think it is, or why the delay. if it is down to the three, are the other twos prospects getting better whilst they are at home doing nothing, no of course not. the only reason it can be taking so long to choose between the three is that its kits job to lose. unless of course the list of 3 isnt true at all
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
:plus one:, posters wouldn't even complain about the style of play if someone else had come in and got these results. Good post.
Quote from: RidgeRider on October 22, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
:plus one:, posters wouldn't even complain about the style of play if someone else had come in and got these results. Good post.
and i think kit was trying to be a bit more adventurous last night. which i hope he continues, and it would be a much stronger team especially down the right when the hoog is back and he picks someone who isnt eisfeld at rm
Quote from: fulhamben on October 22, 2014, 02:49:16 PM
Quote from: RidgeRider on October 22, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
:plus one:, posters wouldn't even complain about the style of play if someone else had come in and got these results. Good post.
and i think kit was trying to be a bit more adventurous last night. which i hope he continues, and it would be a much stronger team especially down the right when the hoog is back and he picks someone who isnt eisfeld at rm
Agreed. We should also consider we got the result, by coming back 3 times, and we had 8 kids in the game. This wasn't the same group that had won 3 out of 4. Those kids played their hearts out and showed the resilience we saw glimpses of early in the season. Kit got a result with our 'B' team, on the road, midweek, with little prep time that comes with these matches. Can't wait till Friday.
Quote from: MJG on October 22, 2014, 08:13:31 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
100% spot on. If this had been Pulis, Clarke, Hughton some would want that man on a long term contract
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totally agree with the above two posters - I cannot believe people cannot recognise and respect what he has achieved - and with the players we have available.
Also, some question what sort of players will Kit will be able to attract to the club. A man with his experience in the game - and on an International level too, will have have made some useful contacts, and I doubt it will be too hard to attract players to come to Fulham, in London, and when back in the premier league on the appropriate wage. Does anyone really think McCormack came because he was attracted by Magath?
Kit will know if he cannot keep the momentum going that he will be replaced, but with each positive game he gains more experience, and I think he is getting the best out of the team and he is a lot more savvy than some think, and he certainly has been more effective than our last three managers...
Kit has made it difficult to appoint anyone else. His success means that it would be difficult for a new appointment to make a more significant impact, and if the new appointment is less effective we will all say we should have kept Kit. I think it is his job to lose. That said, I also see no reason to make a quick decision on a perm. appointment. He is getting paid, let him continue to prove on a daily basis that he is the man for the job. If his body of work after Christmas earns him the place as the manager, we can make a decision at that point. Spot on for the original poster in my opinion.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2014, 02:58:27 AM
If a new manager had come in instead of Kit, and turned things round and got the results Kit has. People would be saying, what a great appointment, so what's the difference. Kit should be crowned King of the Cottage. This uncertainty is not doing anyone any good at all.
Plus one couldn't agree more
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I agree, give him the job, take away the caretaker bit from the title and let him go ahead with his plans for the club , it does not need a 5 man panel to come to this decision, if you have money to waste Mr Khan throw some this way, need it more than any of your panel do and I could give you the same answer as them
Think he deserves the job ,with a review at the end of this season.
...how many Fulham managers have been told we will review you at Christmas and if you are found to be wanting we will replace you? What sort of win/draw/loss ratio or league/points/goals scored, set the premise? If a manager is not good enough they are sacked, setting a time limit is hardly going to help confidence and only add unwanted pressure...
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 22, 2014, 09:25:28 PM
...how many Fulham managers have been told we will review you at Christmas and if you are found to be wanting we will replace you? What sort of win/draw/loss ratio or league/points/goals scored, set the premise? If a manager is not good enough they are sacked, setting a time limit is hardly going to help confidence and only add unwanted pressure...
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