I thought Zverotic did fine last night but everybody else on here seems to think he was pretty bad. I thought he looked the part, was involved and moved the ball round well.
Strange how sensible people can watch the same thing and come away with diametrically opposite opinions. Anyone else agree with me?
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 08:33:38 AM
I thought Zverotic did fine last night but everybody else on here seems to think he was pretty bad. I thought he looked the part, was involved and moved the ball round well.
Strange how sensible people can watch the same thing and come away with diametrically opposite opinions. Anyone else agree with me?
I do, from the JH he looked very active and stood out, I thought Aurtherworry had a good steady game for a first start Hoogland had his worst game so far, there we go, the bloke next to me did nothing but moan about Ruiz even though he had a good game, most of the moans were before he had kicked a ball!
He was ok actually, lot better than Hoogland who was terrible I Thought
and his mistake let them back into the game..
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 08:33:38 AM
I thought Zverotic did fine last night but everybody else on here seems to think he was pretty bad. I thought he looked the part, was involved and moved the ball round well.
Strange how sensible people can watch the same thing and come away with diametrically opposite opinions. Anyone else agree with me?
I certainly agree that sensible people can watch the same thing and come away with diametrically opposite opinions.
I also think that Zverotic was keen to impress last evening, and he seemed to play in every position except that of goalkeeper during the game. I was impressed that he ran his heart out, and that he tried very hard.
I also remember that I used to do the same, when I was 5 or 6, at Infant school in Broadstairs, back in the late 1960's, playing 15 a side with a tennis ball on the school playground - didn't disguise the fact that I was totally crap though - and as my school report said a few years later "Glen is always very willing, if not necessarily able"
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 08:33:38 AM
I also remember that I used to do the same, when I was 5 or 6, at Infant school in Broadstairs, back in the late 1960's, playing 15 a side with a tennis ball on the school playground - didn't disguise the fact that I was totally crap though - and as my school report said a few years later "Glen is always very willing, if not necessarily able"
Do you know, the same thing was said about me at infants school in Ramsgate in the 1960's.
Must be something to do with the Thanet sea air.
Happy to see this thread as I really like Zverotic - works ridiculously hard, incredibly versatile, great cross on him, passionate and never moans. He's a real workhorse just like Baird was. If he can get a run of games and improve a little on his positional sense I think he could change minds and become a favourite.
He is also ridiculously harshly judged on here by those who are keen to scapegoat, mostly because people wanted a big signing on deadline day of that window and his was a tad underwelming. Hardly had enough games for us to judge last season though - yes one or two bad ones but that was in an abysmal makeshift defense in which he was by no means the worst performer (and certainly did no worse than Riether). However, he also put in an excellent performance home to Everton in the CC cup, and was great in pre-season this summer which I suspect is why he is still here.
As far as last night's performance goes, he was solid, put in a shift, moved the ball well and not to blame for the goals. One of the better performers for sure!
Quote from: Pluto on October 29, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
Happy to see this thread as I really like Zverotic - works ridiculously hard, incredibly versatile, great cross on him, passionate and never moans. He's a real workhorse just like Baird was. If he can get a run of games and improve a little on his positional sense I think he could change minds and become a favourite.
He is also ridiculously harshly judged on here by those who are keen to scapegoat, mostly because people wanted a big signing on deadline day of that window and his was a tad underwelming. Hardly had enough games for us to judge last season though - yes one or two bad ones but that was in an abysmal makeshift defense in which he was by no means the worst performer (and certainly did no worse than Riether). However, he also put in an excellent performance home to Everton in the CC cup, and was great in pre-season this summer which I suspect is why he is still here.
As far as last night's performance goes, he was solid, put in a shift, moved the ball well and not to blame for the goals. One of the better performers for sure!
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Quote from: Pluto on October 29, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
Happy to see this thread as I really like Zverotic - works ridiculously hard, incredibly versatile, great cross on him, passionate and never moans. He's a real workhorse just like Baird was. If he can get a run of games and improve a little on his positional sense I think he could change minds and become a favourite.
He is also ridiculously harshly judged on here by those who are keen to scapegoat, mostly because people wanted a big signing on deadline day of that window and his was a tad underwelming. Hardly had enough games for us to judge last season though - yes one or two bad ones but that was in an abysmal makeshift defense in which he was by no means the worst performer (and certainly did no worse than Riether). However, he also put in an excellent performance home to Everton in the CC cup, and was great in pre-season this summer which I suspect is why he is still here.
As far as last night's performance goes, he was solid, put in a shift, moved the ball well and not to blame for the goals. One of the better performers for sure!
Have never seen him play, he's always a sub when I watch. ....but if you're comparing him to ol Bairdy, he must be good. We need versatile players like that. Look forward to seeing more of him.
Quote from: jms on October 29, 2014, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: Pluto on October 29, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
Happy to see this thread as I really like Zverotic - works ridiculously hard, incredibly versatile, great cross on him, passionate and never moans. He's a real workhorse just like Baird was. If he can get a run of games and improve a little on his positional sense I think he could change minds and become a favourite.
He is also ridiculously harshly judged on here by those who are keen to scapegoat, mostly because people wanted a big signing on deadline day of that window and his was a tad underwelming. Hardly had enough games for us to judge last season though - yes one or two bad ones but that was in an abysmal makeshift defense in which he was by no means the worst performer (and certainly did no worse than Riether). However, he also put in an excellent performance home to Everton in the CC cup, and was great in pre-season this summer which I suspect is why he is still here.
As far as last night's performance goes, he was solid, put in a shift, moved the ball well and not to blame for the goals. One of the better performers for sure!
Have never seen him play, he's always a sub when I watch. ....but if you're comparing him to ol Bairdy, he must be good. We need versatile players like that. Look forward to seeing more of him.
Exactly, give the guy a chance! I saw someone in another thread try and suggest he's one of our worst players ever earlier when I doubt they've even seen the guy. Just ludicrous!
I thought he was good in the half where his role was to protect the back 4 and just run around and press. Commented to my mate that he makes a better CDM than a RB. 2nd half going forward trying to score he looked out f his depth. Yes he ran and worked hard, but his passing going forwards was a bit average and he took an age on the ball and any opportunity was lost. Not the worst on the first but not the best. Hoogeland and Zverotic should have been swapped after the their 3 goal. Hoogeland was having all kinds of issue down the right. The thing that made Zverotic look worse then he was, was the time it took for kit to make a tactical sub and thus rellying on Z to be a creative midfielder. Should have brought on Eisfled/David earlier.
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2014, 11:16:27 AM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 08:33:38 AM
I also remember that I used to do the same, when I was 5 or 6, at Infant school in Broadstairs, back in the late 1960's, playing 15 a side with a tennis ball on the school playground - didn't disguise the fact that I was totally crap though - and as my school report said a few years later "Glen is always very willing, if not necessarily able"
Do you know, the same thing was said about me at infants school in Ramsgate in the 1960's.
Must be something to do with the Thanet sea air.
Or the same teacher... Mine was more loquacious after a lunchtime trip to the Queen's Head...
Exactly the same sentiments as Epsom Raver. I thought Zverotic looked very comfortable in the middle (first half anyway), same for Arthurworrey. Also same comment for Ruiz - we must sit near each other because there's someone behind me who starts to criticise Bryan, even before he has a kick (or has been kicked).
Quote from: Pluto on October 29, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: jms on October 29, 2014, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: Pluto on October 29, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
Happy to see this thread as I really like Zverotic - works ridiculously hard, incredibly versatile, great cross on him, passionate and never moans. He's a real workhorse just like Baird was. If he can get a run of games and improve a little on his positional sense I think he could change minds and become a favourite.
He is also ridiculously harshly judged on here by those who are keen to scapegoat, mostly because people wanted a big signing on deadline day of that window and his was a tad underwelming. Hardly had enough games for us to judge last season though - yes one or two bad ones but that was in an abysmal makeshift defense in which he was by no means the worst performer (and certainly did no worse than Riether). However, he also put in an excellent performance home to Everton in the CC cup, and was great in pre-season this summer which I suspect is why he is still here.
As far as last night's performance goes, he was solid, put in a shift, moved the ball well and not to blame for the goals. One of the better performers for sure!
Have never seen him play, he's always a sub when I watch. ....but if you're comparing him to ol Bairdy, he must be good. We need versatile players like that. Look forward to seeing more of him.
Exactly, give the guy a chance! I saw someone in another thread try and suggest he's one of our worst players ever earlier when I doubt they've even seen the guy. Just ludicrous!
He's definitely one of the worst rbs we've ever had and I believe it was me who made that comment In another post. He played decent last night and you're right he hasn't played many games but I seem to be there home and away every time he plays. I noticed at Leicester away this time last year in the cup that his crossing isn't too bad, he set up Hugo for one of the goals but in general he is very poor.
We've had worse players but rb has always been a position we have flourished in. I just don't recall a rb ever being as bad as him.
It shows you how awful voser must be to be behind him in the pecking order. Credit where credits due though he gave his all and did ok, I also mentioned in the worst Player thread yesterday that that's all I ask. Providing you try I can stomach lack of ability and kit obviously sees something in him and is working on him because he has improved a little bit. A lost cause for me though, he's not young and not the answer. Rb is a real weakness for us
I thought he worked hard and did some good work but when he had the ball looked a bit lost. He didn't seem to know what to do sometimes.
If you want someone to run about for 90mins, give me a contract on 10k a week or whatever Zverotic is on and I could do that. I thought he was terrible as normal yesterday, he just seems very poor positionally and is always getting caught out.
How many good players have 0 caps for their country and he has almost 50 for Montenegro (who arent a bad team) is crazy
Quote from: PaulJ123 on October 29, 2014, 03:28:29 PM
How many good players have 0 caps for their country and he has almost 50 for Montenegro (who arent a bad team) is crazy
Which suggests that maybe he's not that bad.
Worst player on the pitch alongside Hoogland. Just to show you experience doesn't always count. He ran like a headless chicken.
He was certainly not as bad as hoogland who I thought was awful last night, out of position couldn't make a tackle etc.
I thought he pressed well in the first half but faded a bit in the second, the team lacked leadership in midfield last night. His passing is a little wayward as well. It just shows how little depth we have in centre midfield after Christensen and Parker. Thanks Magath!
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 03:35:50 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on October 29, 2014, 03:28:29 PM
How many good players have 0 caps for their country and he has almost 50 for Montenegro (who arent a bad team) is crazy
Which suggests that maybe he's not that bad.
Or Montenegro seriously lack in the RB department :005:
I thought he was one of the best players in the first half - funny how we all see things differently and I couldn't help but moan about Ruiz too! I don't really blame the players the manager should have made changes earlier - he just stood there like a rabbit in the lights maybe he,s not the man for the job!
He was truly awful yesterday. No vision when he had the ball and he got a few opportunities.
Do not forget he was merely on the bench at Young Boys if I remember correctly. Which in my book is not an achievement to say the least.
I was in H2 and I also commented how I thought he was having a very good game.......he was harder to pick out in the second half as I could not see his number. .....but that's my eyesight for you.
Quote from: Stefano Okaka Chuka on October 29, 2014, 04:52:57 PM
Worst player on the pitch alongside Hoogland. Just to show you experience doesn't always count. He ran like a headless chicken.
Rubbish you obviously did not watch the game.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 08:33:38 AM
I thought Zverotic did fine last night but everybody else on here seems to think he was pretty bad. I thought he looked the part, was involved and moved the ball round well.
Strange how sensible people can watch the same thing and come away with diametrically opposite opinions. Anyone else agree with me?
I hope it doesn't upset you too much that I agree wholeheartedly with you on this.
Quote from: Stefano Okaka Chuka on October 29, 2014, 04:52:57 PM
Worst player on the pitch alongside Hoogland. Just to show you experience doesn't always count. He ran like a headless chicken.
Lol what a ridiculous comment. Would love to know what game you were watching.
Quote from: HatterDon on October 29, 2014, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 08:33:38 AM
I thought Zverotic did fine last night but everybody else on here seems to think he was pretty bad. I thought he looked the part, was involved and moved the ball round well.
Strange how sensible people can watch the same thing and come away with diametrically opposite opinions. Anyone else agree with me?
I hope it doesn't upset you too much that I agree wholeheartedly with you on this.
Not at all.
I can't be right all the time.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on October 29, 2014, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 29, 2014, 08:33:38 AM
I thought Zverotic did fine last night but everybody else on here seems to think he was pretty bad. I thought he looked the part, was involved and moved the ball round well.
Strange how sensible people can watch the same thing and come away with diametrically opposite opinions. Anyone else agree with me?
I hope it doesn't upset you too much that I agree wholeheartedly with you on this.
Not at all.
I can't be right all the time.
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I have only really seen Zverotic when he replaced Hoogland against Charlton, when he did 'ok' without impressing.
So i suggest to you all that you need to consider what a fullback needs to do...
1/ Tackle
2/ Pass to one of ours
3/ Create through positive play ??
4/ Cover when other defenders are caught out of position
5/ Hold up play when under attack
6/ Cover blindside runs
7/ communicate with midfield if extra threats swamp the position
8/ Cover the post at corners
Does he do all of these?
Did i miss anything?
I thought Zverotic was awful last night. Passing was awful, and his overall ability is lacking massively. He was on par with Fotheringham at CM. He should have started at RB last night, and Hoogland should have been at CM. Still doesn't take away how bad Hoogland was too, but Roberts did provide no cover at all really.
Quote from: epsomraver on October 29, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: Stefano Okaka Chuka on October 29, 2014, 04:52:57 PM
Worst player on the pitch alongside Hoogland. Just to show you experience doesn't always count. He ran like a headless chicken.
Rubbish you obviously did not watch the game.
What gives you the right to shoot down someones opinion?
Quote from: Barrett487 on October 29, 2014, 10:25:10 PM
I have only really seen Zverotic when he replaced Hoogland against Charlton, when he did 'ok' without impressing.
So i suggest to you all that you need to consider what a fullback needs to do...
1/ Tackle
2/ Pass to one of ours
3/ Create through positive play ??
4/ Cover when other defenders are caught out of position
5/ Hold up play when under attack
6/ Cover blindside runs
7/ communicate with midfield if extra threats swamp the position
8/ Cover the post at corners
Does he do all of these?
Did i miss anything?
And that's a list of the things he cant/ doesn't do. Now let's make a list of the things he can do well........
1) he's a good team player because he never complains about not playing much
2) his crossing is ok, not brilliant but ok.
I'm struggling after that and that's not even trying to be spiteful. If someone's crap their crap, you can't pretend they have talent. I don't know if the ones sticking up for him were senderos haters but if so I believe a trip to specsavers should be on the cards.
He's the second choice fullback on a team in 20th place in the English second tier. I don't know why people express outrage that he's not brilliant as a player. If he were, he'd be playing in the top tier in England, Italy, Germany, Spain, or France.
For where we are, he's a decent backup. It's like hating your daughter because she doesn't make as much money as Taylor Swift.
Actually he was in a top tier team last year: Fulham
Quote from: TheManOnTheBus on October 30, 2014, 10:36:08 PM
Actually he was in a top tier team last year: Fulham
yes, he was the back up fullback on the 2nd worst team in the history of the Premier League -- also not something to make you think he should be a great player.
Quote from: HatterDon on October 30, 2014, 08:05:14 PM
He's the second choice fullback on a team in 20th place in the English second tier. I don't know why people express outrage that he's not brilliant as a player. If he were, he'd be playing in the top tier in England, Italy, Germany, Spain, or France.
For where we are, he's a decent backup. It's like hating your daughter because she doesn't make as much money as Taylor Swift.
Precisely
Quote from: HatterDon on October 30, 2014, 08:05:14 PM
He's the second choice fullback on a team in 20th place in the English second tier. I don't know why people express outrage that he's not brilliant as a player. If he were, he'd be playing in the top tier in England, Italy, Germany, Spain, or France.
For where we are, he's a decent backup. It's like hating your daughter because she doesn't make as much money as Taylor Swift.
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Quote from: J.Perkins on October 29, 2014, 11:20:34 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on October 29, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: Stefano Okaka Chuka on October 29, 2014, 04:52:57 PM
Worst player on the pitch alongside Hoogland. Just to show you experience doesn't always count. He ran like a headless chicken.
Rubbish you obviously did not watch the game.
What gives you the right to shoot down someones opinion?
He's always like this, if you disagree with him you didn't watch the game or worse you are a fair weather supporter . By the way I did watch the game and I stand by my opinion that his passing and position were terrible. I cannot fault his commitment but he was really bad.
Quote from: Stefano Okaka Chuka on October 31, 2014, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 29, 2014, 11:20:34 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on October 29, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: Stefano Okaka Chuka on October 29, 2014, 04:52:57 PM
Worst player on the pitch alongside Hoogland. Just to show you experience doesn't always count. He ran like a headless chicken.
Rubbish you obviously did not watch the game.
What gives you the right to shoot down someones opinion?
He's always like this, if you disagree with him you didn't watch the game or worse you are a fair weather supporter . By the way I did watch the game and I stand by my opinion that his passing and position were terrible. I cannot fault his commitment but he was really bad.
I actually felt his positioning was OK. He generally go it right even if he was a little too deep.
His distribution and first touch were extremely poor however.
