Let's have a reality check. Firstly, I was out for the night and did not know the result until I got home. However, some of the reaction on here is hysterical. With some of you not quite saying it but hinting, that we need yet another managerial change. That would be our fourth manager in a year. That really creates stability, does'nt it?
So, we lost a game of football and apparently did not play well. Can anyone show me were it is written that we have to play well and win every game?
We are all aware that this is a work in progress, are we not? Well, if that is the case, the first thing we need is a degree or two of stability and whilst I accept, that some of you were expressing doubts about Kits suitability for the job. The vast majority of us were saying he was the right appointment. Well, let's stick to that and allow him the time to see were he gets us.
I think a lot are just frustrated Mr P that we lost to that mob...
Quote from: Peabody on November 22, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
Let's have a reality check. Firstly, I was out for the night and did not know the result until I got home. However, some of the reaction on here is hysterical. With some of you not quite saying it but hinting, that we need yet another managerial change. That would be our fourth manager in a year. That really creates stability, does'nt it?
So, we lost a game of football and apparently did not play well. Can anyone show me were it is written that we have to play well and win every game?
We are all aware that this is a work in progress, are we not? Well, if that is the case, the first thing we need is a degree or two of stability and whilst I accept, that some of you were expressing doubts about Kits suitability for the job. The vast majority of us were saying he was the right appointment. Well, let's stick to that and allow him the time to see were he gets us.
Kit has had plenty of time according to Fulhamben and Southwestsix and you can see the logic of getting on the back of our manager and team can't you?
Well I must admit I didn't see the game or know the result until afterwards. I must admit by the do dah on here I thought we had lost by a lot more than we actually did
So Martin, you are not now claiming that Kit has had plenty of money to spend and that this is his team, as you did in an earlier thread?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 22, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
I think a lot are just frustrated Mr P that we lost to that mob...
i dont mind losing, but i dont like the fact that our defence is still poor, and that we
rarely play decent football. and the lack of subs even when we are getting owned is tiresome.
Most posters will have calmed down a little by today. I'm glad I didn't post last night! I would hope that the 5 man panel chose kit on all credentials, so we are going to have to try to be patient and get him time to build a squad and a system of play as Brentford clearly have done. But we were very poor in every aspect last night, no getting away from that.
Quote from: Peabody on November 22, 2014, 09:37:01 AMSo Martin, you are not now claiming that Kit has had plenty of money to spend and that this is his team, as you did in an earlier thread?
Martin was being sarcastic in the other thread, Indirectly saying the opposite of what he had written
Quote from: Martinsback on November 22, 2014, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: Peabody on November 22, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
Let's have a reality check. Firstly, I was out for the night and did not know the result until I got home. However, some of the reaction on here is hysterical. With some of you not quite saying it but hinting, that we need yet another managerial change. That would be our fourth manager in a year. That really creates stability, does'nt it?
So, we lost a game of football and apparently did not play well. Can anyone show me were it is written that we have to play well and win every game?
We are all aware that this is a work in progress, are we not? Well, if that is the case, the first thing we need is a degree or two of stability and whilst I accept, that some of you were expressing doubts about Kits suitability for the job. The vast majority of us were saying he was the right appointment. Well, let's stick to that and allow him the time to see were he gets us.
Kit has had plenty of time according to Fulhamben and Southwestsix and you can see the logic of getting on the back of our manager and team can't you?
lol where have i said kit has had plenty of time?
Quote from: Berserker on November 22, 2014, 09:35:59 AM
Well I must admit I didn't see the game or know the result until afterwards. I must admit by the do dah on here I thought we had lost by a lot more than we actually did
4-1 wouldn't have flattered them, we had chances but we were painfully outclassed.
You can can call people's reaction hysteria and knee jerk but you can look at several of our last games and see the same problems yet we got lucky.I'm not calling for his head but there are several things he must sort
Stop playing long ball
Stop playing zverotic
Stop playing Ruiz and if you persist with him don't do it on the wing
Learn how to Defend as a unit
Learn how to Defend set pieces
Make substitutions to change a game not react to a problem
Fundamentaly he's inherited a squad with the odd gem but a huge amount of donkeys. Tactically he has been found wanting though and needs to learn very quickly
Well said, Peabody.
I watched the match on Sky Go and thought our first half performance was abysmal, GK excepted. Second Half was better though it was undeserved that we took the lead. Still, football's like that and I hoped that the gods would stay with us. Unfortunately they didn't. But I deliberately stayed away from reading reactions last night, other than the Match Thread.
Football teams lose matches. One week they amaze us. Another week you wonder if the players have ever met before, have ever trained together, have ever had any football skills.
I notice two of the 'usual suspects' mentioned above. All this 'Kit not yet ready to manage', 'Kit naive', 'Kit clueless regarding the use of substitutes', etc., is b8ll8cks coming from people who have never been involved in the world of professional football.
Some people need to live in the real world or choose another sport to follow. Football is an up-and-down world for supporters of 'normal' teams. Just get used to the frequent lows and occasional highs . . . and for heaven's sake get a sense of proportion.
For what it's worth, it's a silly argument to suggest that all fans expect to win every game and play well.
I don't think it's much to ask to continue to show improvement instead of slipping again. The performances in the last few since kit's opening games gave gone back downhill and we were frankly awful last night.
I wanted kit, I still think he can do well, but I'm reserving judgement on a number of aspects of his reign. Namely the long ball stuff we start with each game and his consistently poor subs.
Why, Mr P, can't people criticise what they're seeing? I've always been an optimist on here and I still am, but I'm sensible enough to see that last night was not good enough and in all honesty the defeat should have been heavier.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on November 22, 2014, 10:03:19 AM
Well said, Peabody.
I watched the match on Sky Go and thought our first half performance was abysmal, GK excepted. Second Half was better though it was undeserved that we took the lead. Still, football's like that and I hoped that the gods would stay with us. Unfortunately they didn't. But I deliberately stayed away from reading reactions last night, other than the Match Thread.
Football teams lose matches. One week they amaze us. Another week you wonder if the players have ever met before, have ever trained together, have ever had any football skills.
I notice two of the 'usual suspects' mentioned above. All this 'Kit not yet ready to manage', 'Kit naive', 'Kit clueless regarding the use of substitutes', etc., is b8ll8cks coming from people who have never been involved in the world of professional football.
Some people need to live in the real world or choose another sport to follow. Football is an up-and-down world for supporters of 'normal' teams. Just get used to the frequent lows and occasional highs . . . and for heaven's sake get a sense of proportion.
i was mentioned above, now show me one of my posts where i have said kit isnt ready. just one post
Unfortunately Ben, I never said it Martisback did, so I can't answer.
As for PokerMatt, I will give my stock answer and say, yes, of course they can express an opinion, which is exactly what I am doing.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on November 22, 2014, 10:03:19 AM
Well said, Peabody.
I watched the match on Sky Go and thought our first half performance was abysmal, GK excepted. Second Half was better though it was undeserved that we took the lead. Still, football's like that and I hoped that the gods would stay with us. Unfortunately they didn't. But I deliberately stayed away from reading reactions last night, other than the Match Thread.
Football teams lose matches. One week they amaze us. Another week you wonder if the players have ever met before, have ever trained together, have ever had any football skills.
I notice two of the 'usual suspects' mentioned above. All this 'Kit not yet ready to manage', 'Kit naive', 'Kit clueless regarding the use of substitutes', etc., is b8ll8cks coming from people who have never been involved in the world of professional football.
Some people need to live in the real world or choose another sport to follow. Football is an up-and-down world for supporters of 'normal' teams. Just get used to the frequent lows and occasional highs . . . and for heaven's sake get a sense of proportion.
Sense of proportion or having an opinion. I do forget that some usual suspects think you can't have an opinion and the world is always rosy. Why you are there let me ask you what you make of kits substitutions?
Ps you can have an opinion if you aren't an internationaly recognised manager
the issue lies with Kit refusing to have a holding midfield player to protect the back four. Both parker and christensen are brilliant box to box players, but need someone behind to hold, allowing them to freedom to do their thing. also Ruiz......my word how is David not starting ahead of this guy.....
But your opinion has come from reading what others have said, while theirs has come from watching what was on the whole a dreadful performance.
I've put my criticisms in here and have also said I'm still backing Kit.
I don't agree with anyone who's hinting at another managerial change, that would be madness, but where do you stand on Kit tactically? Are you happy with his style of football and his subs?
Quote from: Zu-Meister on November 22, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
the issue lies with Kit refusing to have a holding midfield player to protect the back four. Both parker and christensen are brilliant box to box players, but need someone behind to hold, allowing them to freedom to do their thing. also Ruiz......my word how is David not starting ahead of this guy.....
theres this myth again. i dont even think parker was box to box for chatlton let alone for us at his age.
Quote from: Peabody on November 22, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
Let's have a reality check. Firstly, I was out for the night and did not know the result until I got home. However, some of the reaction on here is hysterical. With some of you not quite saying it but hinting, that we need yet another managerial change. That would be our fourth manager in a year. That really creates stability, does'nt it?
So, we lost a game of football and apparently did not play well. Can anyone show me were it is written that we have to play well and win every game?
We are all aware that this is a work in progress, are we not? Well, if that is the case, the first thing we need is a degree or two of stability and whilst I accept, that some of you were expressing doubts about Kits suitability for the job. The vast majority of us were saying he was the right appointment. Well, let's stick to that and allow him the time to see were he gets us.
Well said Peabody.
The management, the players, the fans should want to win every game, but in the real world, teams that are near the top playing at home will beat teams near the bottom.
When we finished 7th in the premiership our away record was won 3, drew 8, lost 8 which is not that impressive.
So I would not despair yet. By all means set the bar high (otherwise what is the point of jumping), but lets reserve judgement until the end of the season.
Then we can ask, "have we made good progress", "have we got the the right manager", etc
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Peabody on November 22, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
Let's have a reality check. Firstly, I was out for the night and did not know the result until I got home. However, some of the reaction on here is hysterical. With some of you not quite saying it but hinting, that we need yet another managerial change. That would be our fourth manager in a year. That really creates stability, does'nt it?
So, we lost a game of football and apparently did not play well. Can anyone show me were it is written that we have to play well and win every game?
We are all aware that this is a work in progress, are we not? Well, if that is the case, the first thing we need is a degree or two of stability and whilst I accept, that some of you were expressing doubts about Kits suitability for the job. The vast majority of us were saying he was the right appointment. Well, let's stick to that and allow him the time to see were he gets us.
Well said Peabody.
The management, the players, the fans should want to win every game, but in the real world, teams that are near the top playing at home will beat teams near the bottom.
When we finished 7th in the premiership our away record was won 3, drew 8, lost 8 which is not that impressive.
So I would not despair yet. By all means set the bar high (otherwise what is the point of jumping), but lets reserve judgement until the end of the season.
Then we can ask, "have we made good progress", "have we got the the right manager", etc
With respect, if judgement was reserved until the end of the season there'd be little point having a forum to discuss Fulham.
I'm a Kit supporter, but at the same time see a lot of things that he needs to improve on if we're going to get better. I've yet to see him address any of them, so that's a concern for me. Doesn't mean I don't have faith in him. It also doesn't mean things are either perfect or disastrous, there's plenty in the middle.
I think a number of us have mentioned before that Kit needs help. An experienced mentor and/or strengthening of the coaching staff. Since Kits appointment there has been no additions to the staff. There was some talk of Danny Murphy joining the coaching staff - what happened to that idea?
Quote from: fulhamben on November 22, 2014, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Zu-Meister on November 22, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
the issue lies with Kit refusing to have a holding midfield player to protect the back four. Both parker and christensen are brilliant box to box players, but need someone behind to hold, allowing them to freedom to do their thing. also Ruiz......my word how is David not starting ahead of this guy.....
theres this myth again. i dont even think parker was box to box for chatlton let alone for us at his age.
he loves going forward on his little runs, scored a couple this season already. and he also defends well, puts his body on the line, tracks back.......how is that not a box to box player?
Quote from: fulhamben on November 22, 2014, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on November 22, 2014, 10:03:19 AM
Well said, Peabody.
I watched the match on Sky Go and thought our first half performance was abysmal, GK excepted. Second Half was better though it was undeserved that we took the lead. Still, football's like that and I hoped that the gods would stay with us. Unfortunately they didn't. But I deliberately stayed away from reading reactions last night, other than the Match Thread.
Football teams lose matches. One week they amaze us. Another week you wonder if the players have ever met before, have ever trained together, have ever had any football skills.
I notice two of the 'usual suspects' mentioned above. All this 'Kit not yet ready to manage', 'Kit naive', 'Kit clueless regarding the use of substitutes', etc., is b8ll8cks coming from people who have never been involved in the world of professional football.
Some people need to live in the real world or choose another sport to follow. Football is an up-and-down world for supporters of 'normal' teams. Just get used to the frequent lows and occasional highs . . . and for heaven's sake get a sense of proportion.
i was mentioned above, now show me one of my posts where i have said kit isnt ready. just one post
My 'quotes' of what people say were generalised and not specific (hence the 'etc') and were meant to illustrate what the moaners have been saying ever since Kit was appointed. I'm the 'glass half full' sort, Ben. Reading your posts over a long period, you're the 'half empty' sort. So be it . . . and I would never doubt your passion for Fulham.
Quote from: MrProphet on November 22, 2014, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on November 22, 2014, 10:03:19 AM
Well said, Peabody.
I watched the match on Sky Go and thought our first half performance was abysmal, GK excepted. Second Half was better though it was undeserved that we took the lead. Still, football's like that and I hoped that the gods would stay with us. Unfortunately they didn't. But I deliberately stayed away from reading reactions last night, other than the Match Thread.
Football teams lose matches. One week they amaze us. Another week you wonder if the players have ever met before, have ever trained together, have ever had any football skills.
I notice two of the 'usual suspects' mentioned above. All this 'Kit not yet ready to manage', 'Kit naive', 'Kit clueless regarding the use of substitutes', etc., is b8ll8cks coming from people who have never been involved in the world of professional football.
Some people need to live in the real world or choose another sport to follow. Football is an up-and-down world for supporters of 'normal' teams. Just get used to the frequent lows and occasional highs . . . and for heaven's sake get a sense of proportion.
Sense of proportion or having an opinion. I do forget that some usual suspects think you can't have an opinion and the world is always rosy. Why you are there let me ask you what you make of kits substitutions?
Ps you can have an opinion if you aren't an internationaly recognised manager
Substitutions ? Simple - Kit knows more about football and substitutions than I'll ever know -
and I trust him to do the right thing.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on November 22, 2014, 11:23:04 AM
Quote from: MrProphet on November 22, 2014, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on November 22, 2014, 10:03:19 AM
Well said, Peabody.
I watched the match on Sky Go and thought our first half performance was abysmal, GK excepted. Second Half was better though it was undeserved that we took the lead. Still, football's like that and I hoped that the gods would stay with us. Unfortunately they didn't. But I deliberately stayed away from reading reactions last night, other than the Match Thread.
Football teams lose matches. One week they amaze us. Another week you wonder if the players have ever met before, have ever trained together, have ever had any football skills.
I notice two of the 'usual suspects' mentioned above. All this 'Kit not yet ready to manage', 'Kit naive', 'Kit clueless regarding the use of substitutes', etc., is b8ll8cks coming from people who have never been involved in the world of professional football.
Some people need to live in the real world or choose another sport to follow. Football is an up-and-down world for supporters of 'normal' teams. Just get used to the frequent lows and occasional highs . . . and for heaven's sake get a sense of proportion.
Sense of proportion or having an opinion. I do forget that some usual suspects think you can't have an opinion and the world is always rosy. Why you are there let me ask you what you make of kits substitutions?
Ps you can have an opinion if you aren't an internationaly recognised manager
Substitutions ? Simple - Kit knows more about football and substitutions than I'll ever know - and I trust him to do the right thing.
Trust has nothing to do with it I'm asking your opinion on the substitutions he has made?
He ll know more then I ever will but that doesn't stop me having an opinion on it. If things are never questioned and critiqued then you never improve and he needs to improve. Not saying he won't and i believe he is the best man for the job.
Quote from: PokerMatt on November 22, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: Peabody on November 22, 2014, 09:26:06 AM
Let's have a reality check. Firstly, I was out for the night and did not know the result until I got home. However, some of the reaction on here is hysterical. With some of you not quite saying it but hinting, that we need yet another managerial change. That would be our fourth manager in a year. That really creates stability, does'nt it?
So, we lost a game of football and apparently did not play well. Can anyone show me were it is written that we have to play well and win every game?
We are all aware that this is a work in progress, are we not? Well, if that is the case, the first thing we need is a degree or two of stability and whilst I accept, that some of you were expressing doubts about Kits suitability for the job. The vast majority of us were saying he was the right appointment. Well, let's stick to that and allow him the time to see were he gets us.
Well said Peabody.
The management, the players, the fans should want to win every game, but in the real world, teams that are near the top playing at home will beat teams near the bottom.
When we finished 7th in the premiership our away record was won 3, drew 8, lost 8 which is not that impressive.
So I would not despair yet. By all means set the bar high (otherwise what is the point of jumping), but lets reserve judgement until the end of the season.
Then we can ask, "have we made good progress", "have we got the the right manager", etc
With respect, if judgement was reserved until the end of the season there'd be little point having a forum to discuss Fulham.
I'm a Kit supporter, but at the same time see a lot of things that he needs to improve on if we're going to get better. I've yet to see him address any of them, so that's a concern for me. Doesn't mean I don't have faith in him. It also doesn't mean things are either perfect or disastrous, there's plenty in the middle.
I guess your right. It would be boring if no one posted anything until the end of the season!!!
But Fergie needed a season or two, and Pardew was top favourite for the chop recently but they are now 8th, and West Ham fans were not happy last year but they are flying high.
I am just making a plea for the fans to make a judgement over a longer period of time than 8 or 9 matches.
In my view we've definitely turned a corner with Kit at the helm. Clearly he's inherited Magath's team, a team that lacked any passion, any coordination and was seemingly destined for the drop.
The road ahead is far from bump free, losing to a Brentford team who were clearly up for getting one over their neighbours and played better on the night is a bitter pill to swallow. But perhaps this loss will galvanise the team. Kit will be able to bring players in and let go of those which need to go.
Only then will we be able to judge our new manager and his team.
We're not going to reach the play offs which is probably for the best, but maybe next season we can really go for it.
Quote from: Zu-Meister on November 22, 2014, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on November 22, 2014, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Zu-Meister on November 22, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
the issue lies with Kit refusing to have a holding midfield player to protect the back four. Both parker and christensen are brilliant box to box players, but need someone behind to hold, allowing them to freedom to do their thing. also Ruiz......my word how is David not starting ahead of this guy.....
theres this myth again. i dont even think parker was box to box for chatlton let alone for us at his age.
he loves going forward on his little runs, scored a couple this season already. and he also defends well, puts his body on the line, tracks back.......how is that not a box to box player?
yes, every now and then. It's a different kettle of fish when you have to push up for every attack and get back every time you lose it. Sidwell could do it, although his passing lacked a little, as did his ability to carry the ball. Murthy could do it when he first joined but as he got older he sat further and further back because you just can't do it forever.
I think the team, the club and all the supporters are just fine. I love you all and love everything. Its a wonderful life.
we don't have any other defensive midfield players - and you know who is to blame
Quote from: Baszab on November 22, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
we don't have any other defensive midfield players - and you know who is to blame
i would seriously try the kid is it sambou from the 21s, or isn't tunic life back. He fdid a job at Man U
Tunnicliffe
"who is to blame"= FM of course
The fact that kit has had to play zverotic for the last few games speaks volumes about our weaknesses. Im pretty sure that our manager doesn't rate him any more than any of us , but clearly has no alternatives that he believes in . The same can be said of Williams , who has promise , but won't be playing once Amorbietta is fit again . Kit is trying to build his side around our experienced players and those not in our match day squad rant going to be any time soon . I believe Kit probably will want to be bring in a good few experienced players in January .
I don't believe our game plan is to play long , but we lack strength in our midfield . We need a strong physical , quality defensive midfielder . Thats not having ago at scott parker but he is not that type of player . Until we get that we are going to struggle on occasions away from home .
Quote from: colinwhite on November 22, 2014, 07:29:29 PM
The fact that kit has had to play zverotic for the last few games speaks volumes about our weaknesses. Im pretty sure that our manager doesn't rate him any more than any of us , but clearly has no alternatives that he believes in . The same can be said of Williams , who has promise , but won't be playing once Amorbietta is fit again . Kit is trying to build his side around our experienced players and those not in our match day squad rant going to be any time soon . I believe Kit probably will want to be bring in a good few experienced players in January .
I don't believe our game plan is to play long , but we lack strength in our midfield . We need a strong physical , quality defensive midfielder . Thats not having ago at scott parker but he is not that type of player . Until we get that we are going to struggle on occasions away from home .
id still have williams over staff at left mid
