"Sack The Board" is the chant I want to hear at our next home game. Fulham languish 5th from bottom perilously above relegation, putting all Mohamed Al Fayed's work back TWENTY YEARS!
The appointment of Mike Rigg is as bad as the Ali Mack era; "Rigsby" lives up to his nickname taken from a stingey landlord in a sitcom. He spent nothing in the January 'sales' and has spent nothing now.
Being in the Championship we can buy players from the lower leagues outside of the transfer window, or doesn't anyone know about that!? Seems none of the board do.
If Rigsby does nothing, why are we paying his salary? Why are we keeping on Ali Mack who mis-handled all that to put us where we are now??
Khan has a history of acting far too late - his removal of Magath was dragged out so long the media were making jokes about his methods at the club; it was embarrassing! One wonders how Khan ever became a multi-billionaire when he shows a lack of decisiveness that would not have happen under Chairman Mo.
If these board members are doing nothing but being paid handsomely while the fans suffer, then they have to act now or go! I'm tired of seeing the most lethargic football Fulham have played since the days when we were at the foot of the league.
Tired of seeing Kit Symons in his hush puppies and wooly jumper doing nothing while the team stroll to decline.
It is a crisis situation and the sooner it is dealt with the sooner we can recover.
We the FANS cannot allow them to take Fulham down another division! We must demand the heads of those responsible, that being the incompetent members of board taking wads of cash while we suffer!!
I'll see you V Derby!
Mike Rigg is still working with the FA and doesn't officially start with us until the summer to my knowledge...
putting all Mohamed Al Fayed's work back TWENTY YEARS! Fayed did a good job of that himself
Rigg starts in March. Research is everything when it comes to posts like this.
OK. The OP's argument is, perhaps, somewhat undermined by the fact that the bloke whose work he is slagging off hasn't actually started work yet. But anticipation is everything in this game. We should keep this one on file until Riggs actually does start work when he will immediately, I am sure, become the latest in a long line of scapegoats.
MaF undid so much of his own work in the last 2 years of his stewardship, so don't bother with this rubbishing a guy that wasn't even here for the time we dropped.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 22, 2015, 01:20:38 PM
"Sack The Board" is the chant I want to hear at our next home game. Fulham languish 5th from bottom perilously above relegation, putting all Mohamed Al Fayed's work back TWENTY YEARS!
The appointment of Mike Rigg is as bad as the Ali Mack era; "Rigsby" lives up to his nickname taken from a stingey landlord in a sitcom. He spent nothing in the January 'sales' and has spent nothing now.
Being in the Championship we can buy players from the lower leagues outside of the transfer window, or doesn't anyone know about that!? Seems none of the board do.
If Rigsby does nothing, why are we paying his salary? Why are we keeping on Ali Mack who mis-handled all that to put us where we are now??
Khan has a history of acting far too late - his removal of Magath was dragged out so long the media were making jokes about his methods at the club; it was embarrassing! One wonders how Khan ever became a multi-billionaire when he shows a lack of decisiveness that would not have happen under Chairman Mo.
If these board members are doing nothing but being paid handsomely while the fans suffer, then they have to act now or go! I'm tired of seeing the most lethargic football Fulham have played since the days when we were at the foot of the league.
Tired of seeing Kit Symons in his hush puppies and wooly jumper doing nothing while the team stroll to decline.
It is a crisis situation and the sooner it is dealt with the sooner we can recover.
We the FANS cannot allow them to take Fulham down another division! We must demand the heads of those responsible, that being the incompetent members of board taking wads of cash while we suffer!!
I'll see you V Derby!
Chanting "Sack the Board" is going to be really helpful. Who sacks them and who replaces the cash it takes to run a football club?
Irrespective of this, Riggs doesn't start working for us until April so it seems a bit harsh, to put it mildly, to put the blame on him for anything and everything that has happened in the last year. Think this thread needs a bit more thought and research...or just bin it
Riggs out - might as well get that one in early - he has been useless so far
Nick you have written some pretty bizarre posts since I have been active on this website , but this one just about takes the biscuit !
Not buying anyone in Jan was totally down to Symons and his let's not rock the boat stance.
Thamesbank - I am sorry that is an inaccurate statement - there were three of four direct targets, all of which unfortunately fell through
I guess Nicks point is why are the board not responsible for this fiasco. They ultimately hire and fire managers and apporove transfers and loans. One of the worst decisions in our history was hiring Felix. Who recommended it and who sanctioned it?
Quote from: Thamesbank on February 22, 2015, 03:01:50 PM
Not buying anyone in Jan was totally down to Symons and his let's not rock the boat stance.
And you know that how? I am interested, do you have an "in" at a senior level at the club that the rest of us don't?
Point taken I went by the news of the appointment of Rigsby to said post. So Ali Mack, the man who sacked Jol, Rene Meulensteen, Alan Curbishley, Wilkins and appointed Magath, approved of paying over £22million on two strikers, one who wasn't fit, allowing almost our entire Premiership quality team to leave and being slow to dismiss Magath is STILL at the helm!!??
There will be NOTHING LEFT for Rigsby to do when he finally does take charge because the know-nothing-vote-No-Scot is DESTROYING this great "Manchester United Of The South" club, the only non-PL team with a muliti-billionaire owner!
If we do not chant "Sack The Board" at the next home game, we are as at fault for this mess as they are!
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Quote from: Baszab on February 22, 2015, 03:08:39 PM
Thamesbank - I am sorry that is an inaccurate statement - there were three of four direct targets, all of which unfortunately fell through
Name them...
Quote from: St Eve on February 22, 2015, 03:14:31 PM
I guess Nicks point is why are the board not responsible for this fiasco. They ultimately hire and fire managers and apporove transfers and loans. One of the worst decisions in our history was hiring Felix. Who recommended it and who sanctioned it?
If that was his point, that's what he should have written. Instead of slagging off the one bloke in the whole organization who couldn't possibly have been blamed for any part of the fiasco.
The Board consists of Alistair Mackintosh, CEO with a background in accountancy, Sean O'Loughlin, Finance Director and Mark Lamping, President of Jacksonville Jaguars. Khan allowed the other members of MAF's Board to leave and only added Lamping so the Board has lots of experience in running a sports business but only Mackintosh's experience of running a football club and no experience of football club management.
Quite a few of us questioned the wisdom of a new owner with no experience of 'soccer', the PL, relegation, selecting football managers and buying players having such a limited Board and no obvious experienced voice with football knowledge to advise him. Many of the key decisions in Khan's reign seem to reflect this lack of experience.
Apprentice, I can see the point in what you say, but I would have believed that AM might have said something to Khan regarding the other, more experienced, board members' departure. Was it the case of jumped or pushed?
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on February 22, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
The Board consists of Alistair Mackintosh, CEO with a background in accountancy, Sean O'Loughlin, Finance Director and Mark Lamping, President of Jacksonville Jaguars. Khan allowed the other members of MAF's Board to leave and only added Lamping so the Board has lots of experience in running a sports business but only Mackintosh's experience of running a football club and no experience of football club management.
Quite a few of us questioned the wisdom of a new owner with no experience of 'soccer', the PL, relegation, selecting football managers and buying players having such a limited Board and no obvious experienced voice with football knowledge to advise him. Many of the key decisions in Khan's reign seem to reflect this lack of experience.
Succinctly stated in four sentences what I laboured to say in 20. Point being,
Ali Mack is STILL in charge. The
"Vote NO" Scot has already wasted multi-millions (on 2 players), sacked a manager whose football was the
best seen at the Cottage in many seasons, allowed a washed-up German to take us down then to the bottom of next division before a belated removal, bought nobody in January despite seeing issues under Symons and has still done nothing to this date, because he is trying to impress the inexperienced Khan with a nice looking bank balance.
That balance sheet will be
worthless if Fulham are in Division 1 playing the likes of Fleetwood and Yeovil.
"Sack The Board" must be sung at the next home game (Derby) and that means Ali Mack gets the sack!
But Nick, isn't the ides of bringing in MR to reduce AMs influence on this? Sacking the board is tantamount to cutting off the head because of a mole on the cheek.
Quote from: Logicalman on February 22, 2015, 04:31:38 PM
But Nick, isn't the ides of bringing in MR to reduce AMs influence on this? Sacking the board is tantamount to cutting off the head because of a mole on the cheek.
Logical, I said we should chant "Sack The Board" at the next home game. This will get through to our 'head-in-the-Alabama sand' Khan that he needs to get something going and urgently and it usually is the only way indifferent owners wake up and
smell the coffee as the Yanks would say!
Sacking
Ali Mack also would tell the rest to get their
fingers out, get off their
humongous backsides and work damn hard at getting Fulham back to safety.
No more Mr.Nice Guy, from the lot of us!!
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 22, 2015, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on February 22, 2015, 04:31:38 PM
But Nick, isn't the ides of bringing in MR to reduce AMs influence on this? Sacking the board is tantamount to cutting off the head because of a mole on the cheek.
Logical, I said we should chant "Sack The Board" at the next home game. This will get through to our 'head-in-the-Alabama sand' Khan that he needs to get something going and urgently and it usually is the only way indifferent owners wake up and smell the coffee as the Yanks would say!
Sacking Ali Mack also would tell the rest to get their fingers out, get off their humongous backsides and work damn hard at getting Fulham back to safety.
No more Mr.Nice Guy, from the lot of us!!
You have some very odd nicknames for the people at our club.. Nonetheless, chanting sack the board is pointless. The idea of bringing in Mike Rigg is to lessen the footballing input that Ali Mac has, so he can be left to manage finances etc. as he is more than qualified to do. Khan has realised already that AM wasn't doing well enough, hence the appointment of Rigg. Give him some time to make an impact and you might see the changes you, and everyone else, wants.
Do you have a spare £100m or so to do this?
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 22, 2015, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on February 22, 2015, 04:31:38 PM
But Nick, isn't the ides of bringing in MR to reduce AMs influence on this? Sacking the board is tantamount to cutting off the head because of a mole on the cheek.
Logical, I said we should chant "Sack The Board" at the next home game. This will get through to our 'head-in-the-Alabama sand' Khan that he needs to get something going and urgently and it usually is the only way indifferent owners wake up and smell the coffee as the Yanks would say!
Sacking Ali Mack also would tell the rest to get their fingers out, get off their humongous backsides and work damn hard at getting Fulham back to safety.
No more Mr.Nice Guy, from the lot of us!!
Wouldn't it be better (more pointed and catchy) to just chant "Sack Mac! Sack Mac!" as it gets the exact message across and rhymes as a bonus !! :clap_hands:
Nick you do let yourself down, most of us on here knee that Mike Rigg was not starting until March and yet you lay some blame on him when he hasn't even started the job you claim that he has done badly in. That aside, you want to get rid of anyone and everyone, in earlier thread you state that those who want Kit to go, are better fans than those of us who don't (diehards you call us). Well, I am in that camp and like I have said to Wooly Mammoth, who has hinted the same thing, just because I support my club differently to you and your ilk, does not make any less a fan. I know we are not doing well but I choose to go to games, unlike a lot of Kits harshest critics and support Fulham in the bestway, that I know how.
So Nick, please do some research before embarking on one your campaigns.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 22, 2015, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on February 22, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
The Board consists of Alistair Mackintosh, CEO with a background in accountancy, Sean O'Loughlin, Finance Director and Mark Lamping, President of Jacksonville Jaguars. Khan allowed the other members of MAF's Board to leave and only added Lamping so the Board has lots of experience in running a sports business but only Mackintosh's experience of running a football club and no experience of football club management.
Quite a few of us questioned the wisdom of a new owner with no experience of 'soccer', the PL, relegation, selecting football managers and buying players having such a limited Board and no obvious experienced voice with football knowledge to advise him. Many of the key decisions in Khan's reign seem to reflect this lack of experience.
Succinctly stated in four sentences what I laboured to say in 20. Point being, Ali Mack is STILL in charge. The "Vote NO" Scot has already wasted multi-millions (on 2 players), sacked a manager whose football was the best seen at the Cottage in many seasons, allowed a washed-up German to take us down then to the bottom of next division before a belated removal, bought nobody in January despite seeing issues under Symons and has still done nothing to this date, because he is trying to impress the inexperienced Khan with a nice looking bank balance.
That balance sheet will be worthless if Fulham are in Division 1 playing the likes of Fleetwood and Yeovil.
"Sack The Board" must be sung at the next home game (Derby) and that means Ali Mack gets the sack!
You, like many others, are making the assumption that Alistair Mackintosh has been in charge and was the sole or the leading figure behind key poor decisions. I have no knowledge of how the decisions were being made and I suspect no one else on here has either.
I was making the rather more general point that the Board lost experienced members who were not replaced and there does not seem to have been any footballing experience to advise Khan.
Let us hope that Mike Rigg can provide that sound advice.
Was it not that long ago that Khan said that he was removing Mac from footballing to concentrate on stadium/business affairs, if that is the case he may not be responsible for any of the goings on with regards to the football decisions.
I keep seeing threads that mention the fact that we did not sign any players during the last transfer window - but none one has put a name to anyone we missed out on.
To be bunt - if we are talking about player who would make a difference - who in their right mind would want to sign for us?
Quote from: Roberty on February 22, 2015, 07:14:24 PM
I keep seeing threads that mention the fact that we did not sign any players during the last transfer window - but none one has put a name to anyone we missed out on.
To be bunt - if we are talking about player who would make a difference - who in their right mind would want to sign for us?
Bang on.
Who would want to join this pile of wannabe's and has beens.
Joining Fulham in free fall could ruin any good or promising career.
Fulham and more importantly the current management isn't going to be a major attraction to anyone half decent.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 22, 2015, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on February 22, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
The Board consists of Alistair Mackintosh, CEO with a background in accountancy, Sean O'Loughlin, Finance Director and Mark Lamping, President of Jacksonville Jaguars. Khan allowed the other members of MAF's Board to leave and only added Lamping so the Board has lots of experience in running a sports business but only Mackintosh's experience of running a football club and no experience of football club management.
Quite a few of us questioned the wisdom of a new owner with no experience of 'soccer', the PL, relegation, selecting football managers and buying players having such a limited Board and no obvious experienced voice with football knowledge to advise him. Many of the key decisions in Khan's reign seem to reflect this lack of experience.
Succinctly stated in four sentences what I laboured to say in 20. Point being, Ali Mack is STILL in charge. The "Vote NO" Scot has already wasted multi-millions (on 2 players), sacked a manager whose football was the best seen at the Cottage in many seasons, allowed a washed-up German to take us down then to the bottom of next division before a belated removal, bought nobody in January despite seeing issues under Symons and has still done nothing to this date, because he is trying to impress the inexperienced Khan with a nice looking bank balance.
That balance sheet will be worthless if Fulham are in Division 1 playing the likes of Fleetwood and Yeovil.
"Sack The Board" must be sung at the next home game (Derby) and that means Ali Mack gets the sack!
Nick, with all due respect, if every football chairman acted on the chants of their clubs fans there would be chaos. For a start most would be physically impossible!
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 22, 2015, 07:32:53 PM
Ok Nick, I take your point about Rigsby, but where's Miss Jones in all this ?
That's Sarah Brookes!
So many points to ponder and respond to while I was away from the keyboard. I shall have a long think about this overnight.
Main thing is we start being proactive, as opposed to the so-called people in charge. But re Peabody's view, as I said, it is far easier for moi to drape oneself in black&white and proclaim everything is rosey in the garden, but those who actually spot that the emperor is stark naked and say so, knowing they will receive the jibe that they are being disloyal are worth their salt, in my opinion.
Forgive my rambling it is late!
I did not say everything is roses etc. if you read what I said, it was that some support in different ways.
What's Plan B? Sack the board, and then what? And given our resources etc. what will anyone else be able to do that will be markedly different than what has gone on already? Fact of the matter is we are not a large club and we don't have sacks of cash.
Quote from: Logicalman on February 22, 2015, 04:58:28 PM
Wouldn't it be better (more pointed and catchy) to just chant "Sack Mac! Sack Mac!" as it gets the exact message across and rhymes as a bonus !! :clap_hands:
"Sack The Board" is the standard chant football fans around the country know, and in a way, criticises the leadership of Khan. This, I believe, will produce action.
Either some heads will roll and the financial arm of the board will galvanize into affirmative action, or, nobody will be removed but the financial arm of the board will galvanize into affirmative action!
To answer Burt's point,
Plan A is
not working whatever yours or Peabody's misplaced loyalty is, you both must agree with that. We need Plan B, C or other.
As for not having wads of cash, we have!!! In the space of 12 months Fulham have spent £22million on 2 players - name any club in the lesser divisions that can do that?? We are receiving a parachute payment of over £35million pa. We are owned by a multi-billionaire, all clear indications of our monetary 'muscle'. Also there is no point redeveloping and expanding a stadium for greater capacity and attract customers when the team languishes with the likes of Yeovil & Fleetwood!
Instead of our soon-to-be re-shuffled/demoted Ali Mack spending a HUGE sum on 1 player, why not buy 3 or 4 players with £10million? In the past we acquired
Barry Hayles from non-league,
Chris Coleman from Blackbum, I can go on. And we do not need Ali Mack to be paid thousands of pounds every week to do that - anyone with half a brain can do this, which he clearly hasn't.
Barry Hayles was signed (for a then hefty £2m) from Bristol Rovers who were not, then, a non-league side. Hayles had been Div2 leading scorer when he joined us.
Blackburn had been PL champions the year before we bought Coleman for £2.1m. Then a club record and a record for a third tier side.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 01:16:51 PM
We are receiving a parachute payment of over £35million pa.
Just to clarify we are not getting £35M per year.
the breakdown is as follows:
2014-15 £24.1M
2015-16 £19.3M
2016-17 £9.7M
2017-18 £9.7M
As such in this year we will have a reduction of £39.2M in PL & tv money.
This is without taking into account a recution Matchday income & sponsorship deals.
Quote from: cmg on February 23, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
Barry Hayles was signed (for a then hefty £2m) from Bristol Rovers who were not, then, a non-league side. Hayles had been Div2 leading scorer when he joined us.
Blackburn had been PL champions the year before we bought Coleman for £2.1m. Then a club record and a record for a third tier side.
fp.gif Maybe you should add "but can't be bothered to check my facts" onto Nick Bateman "knows his footie"
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on February 22, 2015, 04:58:28 PM
Wouldn't it be better (more pointed and catchy) to just chant "Sack Mac! Sack Mac!" as it gets the exact message across and rhymes as a bonus !! :clap_hands:
"Sack The Board" is the standard chant football fans around the country know, and in a way, criticises the leadership of Khan. This, I believe, will produce action.
Either some heads will roll and the financial arm of the board will galvanize into affirmative action, or, nobody will be removed but the financial arm of the board will galvanize into affirmative action!
To answer Burt's point, Plan A is not working whatever yours or Peabody's misplaced loyalty is, you both must agree with that. We need Plan B, C or other.
As for not having wads of cash, we have!!! In the space of 12 months Fulham have spent £22million on 2 players - name any club in the lesser divisions that can do that?? We are receiving a parachute payment of over £35million pa. We are owned by a multi-billionaire, all clear indications of our monetary 'muscle'. Also there is no point redeveloping and expanding a stadium for greater capacity and attract customers when the team languishes with the likes of Yeovil & Fleetwood!
Instead of our soon-to-be re-shuffled/demoted Ali Mack spending a HUGE sum on 1 player, why not buy 3 or 4 players with £10million? In the past we acquired Barry Hayles from non-league, Chris Coleman from Blackbum, I can go on. And we do not need Ali Mack to be paid thousands of pounds every week to do that - anyone with half a brain can do this, which he clearly hasn't.
Dear oh dear Nick, why let facts get in the way of a good rant?
Quote from: cmg on February 23, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
Barry Hayles was signed (for a then hefty £2m) from Bristol Rovers who were not, then, a non-league side. Hayles had been Div2 leading scorer when he joined us.
Blackburn had been PL champions the year before we bought Coleman for £2.1m. Then a club record and a record for a third tier side.
Which adds up to £4million, still £6m left from a £10m transfer swoop! Also showed what an ambitious chairman we had then, who employed people who spotted how talented these two individuals were as well as several others.
How different it is now under "clueless" Khan, with a brainless Scotsman spending irratically, penny-pinching one moment, spurlging copious wads the next. The fans are sick of it, and can see the writing-on-the-wall, and we have to act now to save the club from doom!
"Sack The Board" must be the next chant versus Derby - I promise you, such an outcry of feeling from supporters will shake Khan's foundations all the way to Albama!!
Quote from: Burt on February 23, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
What's Plan B? Sack the board, and then what? And given our resources etc. what will anyone else be able to do that will be markedly different than what has gone on already? Fact of the matter is we are not a large club and we don't have sacks of cash.
Plan B is sack all the players and replace them with .... er, yeah, we tried that didn't we?
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on February 22, 2015, 04:58:28 PM
Wouldn't it be better (more pointed and catchy) to just chant "Sack Mac! Sack Mac!" as it gets the exact message across and rhymes as a bonus !! :clap_hands:
"Sack The Board" is the standard chant football fans around the country know, and in a way, criticises the leadership of Khan. This, I believe, will produce action.
Either some heads will roll and the financial arm of the board will galvanize into affirmative action, or, nobody will be removed but the financial arm of the board will galvanize into affirmative action!
To answer Burt's point, Plan A is not working whatever yours or Peabody's misplaced loyalty is, you both must agree with that. We need Plan B, C or other.
As for not having wads of cash, we have!!! In the space of 12 months Fulham have spent £22million on 2 players - name any club in the lesser divisions that can do that?? We are receiving a parachute payment of over £35million pa. We are owned by a multi-billionaire, all clear indications of our monetary 'muscle'. Also there is no point redeveloping and expanding a stadium for greater capacity and attract customers when the team languishes with the likes of Yeovil & Fleetwood!
Instead of our soon-to-be re-shuffled/demoted Ali Mack spending a HUGE sum on 1 player, why not buy 3 or 4 players with £10million? In the past we acquired Barry Hayles from non-league, Chris Coleman from Blackbum, I can go on. And we do not need Ali Mack to be paid thousands of pounds every week to do that - anyone with half a brain can do this, which he clearly hasn't.
Well, I guess my "misplaced" loyalty is to my club, and ergo, to the owner of that club.
So, what you're saying is Sack the Board will get the "financial arm of the board will galvanize into affirmative action", so what was spending 22 million then? Non-affirmative action?
I think you needed to stay with your original argument of Sack the Board, at least it appeared to have some, if little, credence to it sir!
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: cmg on February 23, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
Barry Hayles was signed (for a then hefty £2m) from Bristol Rovers who were not, then, a non-league side. Hayles had been Div2 leading scorer when he joined us.
Blackburn had been PL champions the year before we bought Coleman for £2.1m. Then a club record and a record for a third tier side.
Which adds up to £4million, still £6m left from a £10m transfer swoop! Also showed what an ambitious chairman we had then, who employed people who spotted how talented these two individuals were as well as several others.
How different it is now under "clueless" Khan, with a brainless Scotsman spending irratically, penny-pinching one moment, spurlging copious wads the next. The fans are sick of it, and can see the writing-on-the-wall, and we have to act now to save the club from doom!
"Sack The Board" must be the next chant versus Derby - I promise you, such an outcry of feeling from supporters will shake Khan's foundations all the way to Albama!!
You do realise that there was no scouting network back then and Keegan and Wilkins both admit they had money to spend so just went through the Rothman's yearbook finding players to buy... Today it would be football manager they looked at.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: cmg on February 23, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
Barry Hayles was signed (for a then hefty £2m) from Bristol Rovers who were not, then, a non-league side. Hayles had been Div2 leading scorer when he joined us.
Blackburn had been PL champions the year before we bought Coleman for £2.1m. Then a club record and a record for a third tier side.
Which adds up to £4million, still £6m left from a £10m transfer swoop! Also showed what an ambitious chairman we had then, who employed people who spotted how talented these two individuals were as well as several others.
How different it is now under "clueless" Khan, with a brainless Scotsman spending irratically, penny-pinching one moment, spurlging copious wads the next. The fans are sick of it, and can see the writing-on-the-wall, and we have to act now to save the club from doom!
"Sack The Board" must be the next chant versus Derby - I promise you, such an outcry of feeling from supporters will shake Khan's foundations all the way to Albama!!
Why Albama(sic)?
Quote from: Logicalman on February 23, 2015, 04:25:40 PM
Why Albama(sic)?
Home of the Jaguars, Khan's other sports interest, I believe.
Plan
B is for whoever is doing the scouting to actually buy somebody (a few players) before Fulham join
Fleetwood and Yeovil. If Ali Mack cannot be #rsed because his days
milking the gravy train are numbered, then remove him NOW and have someone else competant to do the job.
We have the money to do this, unlike a few pessimists have attempted to say otherwise. Fulham are the
richest club outside of the Premier League! It's time to start spending our way out of danger before the nice man in the
hush puppies & wooly jumper proves his lack of experience to our bitter demise.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on February 23, 2015, 04:25:40 PM
Why Albama(sic)?
Home of the Jaguars, Khan's other sports interest, I believe.
Plan B is for whoever is doing the scouting to actually buy somebody (a few players) before Fulham join Fleetwood and Yeovil. If Ali Mack cannot be #rsed because his days milking the gravy train are numbered, then remove him NOW and have someone else competant to do the job.
We have the money to do this, unlike a few pessimists have attempted to say otherwise. Fulham are the richest club outside of the Premier League! It's time to start spending our way out of danger before the nice man in the hush puppies & wooly jumper proves his lack of experience to our bitter demise.
Explain how to spend when this year for a start we can now lose £8m due to FFP?
Does not matter how much Khan is worth.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on February 23, 2015, 04:25:40 PM
Why Albama(sic)?
Home of the Jaguars, Khan's other sports interest, I believe.
Plan B is for whoever is doing the scouting to actually buy somebody (a few players) before Fulham join Fleetwood and Yeovil. If Ali Mack cannot be #rsed because his days milking the gravy train are numbered, then remove him NOW and have someone else competant to do the job.
We have the money to do this, unlike a few pessimists have attempted to say otherwise. Fulham are the richest club outside of the Premier League! It's time to start spending our way out of danger before the nice man in the hush puppies & wooly jumper proves his lack of experience to our bitter demise.
Khan may be the richest club owner outside the premiership but that does not make Fulham the richest club outside the premiership, judging by what`s been spent this season we don't have a pot to pee in. :dead horse:
Quote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 04:43:39 PM
Explain how to spend when this year for a start we can now lose £8m due to FFP?
Does not matter how much Khan is worth.
Ifs and maybes. One gets nothing for nowt, as the Northerners would say, which means, one can't win the raffle if one doesn't buy a ticket!
We bought
Matt Smith for £500,000 but Symons in his omnipotent(sic) wisdom decided not to give him one full game!!! We must do more signings like that for the long term good of Fulham, not the balance sheet of one season which Ali Mack is obviously trying to impress his boss with.
The FFP means zero if Fulham are relegated, surely you can understand that point?!
Yes, it is a test of how committed Khan is to Fulham's future; I still believe he is, despite the latest lack of funds.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 04:58:58 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 04:43:39 PM
Explain how to spend when this year for a start we can now lose £8m due to FFP?
Does not matter how much Khan is worth.
Ifs and maybes. One gets nothing for nowt, as the Northerners would say, which means, one can't win the raffle if one doesn't buy a ticket!
We bought Matt Smith for £500,000 but Symons in his omnipotent(sic) wisdom decided not to give him one full game!!! We must do more signings like that for the long term good of Fulham, not the balance sheet of one season which Ali Mack is obviously trying to impress his boss with.
The FFP means zero if Fulham are relegated, surely you can understand that point?!
Yes, it is a test of how committed Khan is to Fulham's future; I still believe he is, despite the latest lack of funds.
Well FFP does mean something even if we are relegated due to the way FL have their rules.
But clearly you don't quite know how to use facts as you have continually been corrected by other posters throughout this thread so I'll not bother explaining why to you as you would just ignore it.
Quote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 05:06:12 PM
Well FFP does mean something even if we are relegated due to the way FL have their rules.
But clearly you don't quite know how to use facts as you have continually been corrected by other posters throughout this thread so I'll not bother explaining why to you as you would just ignore it.
Easy way to get out of explaining the imponderables you are uncertain about! I'll have to remember that one.
As I stated, even if Fulham incur a financial penalty because of FFP it would be worth every penny, if it meant we brought in a few players who helped the team stay up!
That surely is the bottom line.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on February 23, 2015, 04:25:40 PM
Why Albama(sic)?
Home of the Jaguars, Khan's other sports interest, I believe.
You're correct in that they are the Jaguars mate, but with respect, your research is a little off (by about 250 miles and a State). They are the Jacksonville Jaguars, as in Jacksonville Florida, where Fulham played this past Summer. Easy to do if you live in Europe though.
Out of interest - does anyone have to hand the latest FFC accounts or shall I get on to CH ?
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 05:16:14 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 05:06:12 PM
Well FFP does mean something even if we are relegated due to the way FL have their rules.
But clearly you don't quite know how to use facts as you have continually been corrected by other posters throughout this thread so I'll not bother explaining why to you as you would just ignore it.
Easy way to get out of explaining the imponderables you are uncertain about! I'll have to remember that one.
As I stated, even if Fulham incur a financial penalty because of FFP it would be worth every penny, if it meant we brought in a few players who helped the team stay up!
That surely is the bottom line.
Emotionally then yes, but not too sure about the actual financial side of it all, and that's what the board is surely looking at, don't you feel?
Quote from: Baszab on February 23, 2015, 05:17:49 PM
Out of interest - does anyone have to hand the latest FFC accounts or shall I get on to CH ?
Last account filed were for 2012-13, I think the next ones for 13-14 will be out next month
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 05:16:14 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 05:06:12 PM
Well FFP does mean something even if we are relegated due to the way FL have their rules.
But clearly you don't quite know how to use facts as you have continually been corrected by other posters throughout this thread so I'll not bother explaining why to you as you would just ignore it.
Easy way to get out of explaining the imponderables you are uncertain about! I'll have to remember that one.
As I stated, even if Fulham incur a financial penalty because of FFP it would be worth every penny, if it meant we brought in a few players who helped the team stay up!
That surely is the bottom line.
A fine is one way the league could do us for overspending and failure to pay could also lead to not being invited to play in the FL.
We simply can't overspend and expect no retribution.
You are just falling into the trap of let's throw money at something and hope it works, when actually it could lead to even more trouble in the long term.
Thanks MJG - I've seen those, 13/14 should be interesting !
Still so much that can be hidden though on the FPP (e.g. Man City and the fiddling of the stadium sponsorship)
Quote from: Baszab on February 23, 2015, 05:26:36 PM
Thanks MJG - I've seen those, 13/14 should be interesting !
Still so much that can be hidden though on the FPP (e.g. Man City and the fiddling of the stadium sponsorship)
Stadium sponsorship and others like that have to be at a going rate. In other words Khan could not just say here is £50m for calling Craven Cottage some other name.
I'm expecting the 13-14 accounts to make very unhappy reading on two fronts..
The wages which will have gone in excess of £75m and wages to turnover ratio which will possibly be at the 95/98% mark.
Quote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 05:22:13 PM
A fine is one way the league could do us for overspending and failure to pay could also lead to not being invited to play in the FL.
We simply can't overspend and expect no retribution.
You are just falling into the trap of let's throw money at something and hope it works, when actually it could lead to even more trouble in the long term.
Why should we not pay a fine? That's a ridiculous extreme to try and justify the board's lack of funds in our moment of dire need. Fulham are a historic club. We are Fulham not Fleetwood and I'm pretty sure the FL would not be biased against us.
As for transfer fees, Fulham have spent £11m as we know, but we recouped £5.5m on Ashcan Dejagah, hardly worthy of a FFP
slap-on-the-wrist. We have shed most of our biggest earners, apart from
Ali Mack, who earns the
most money for sitting on his big Tartan bottom every day, waiting for the proberbial sword of damocles at end of this term.
Quote from: Logicalman on February 23, 2015, 05:17:35 PM
They are the Jacksonville Jaguars, as in Jacksonville Florida, where Fulham played this past Summer. Easy to do if you live in Europe though.
Yes I do recall that now. I blame a dodgy browser which showed the Jaguars in Alabama. To be honest, they could be in Timbuktu for all I care about them.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 05:36:32 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 05:22:13 PM
A fine is one way the league could do us for overspending and failure to pay could also lead to not being invited to play in the FL.
We simply can't overspend and expect no retribution.
You are just falling into the trap of let's throw money at something and hope it works, when actually it could lead to even more trouble in the long term.
Why should we not pay a fine? That's a ridiculous extreme to try and justify the board's lack of funds in our moment of dire need. Fulham are a historic club. We are Fulham not Fleetwood and I'm pretty sure the FL would not be biased against us.
As for transfer fees, Fulham have spent £11m as we know, but we recouped £5.5m on Ashcan Dejagah, hardly worthy of a FFP slap-on-the-wrist. We have shed most of our biggest earners, apart from Ali Mack, who earns the most money for sitting on his big Tartan bottom every day, waiting for the proberbial sword of damocles at end of this term.
For start we have n knowledge on how much of the wages of the players on loan we are paying.
Parker if the figures are right is on around 1.5-2m a year, more than Ally Mac who wages can be seen in the accounts as a paid director.
Also just because we sell a player for say £5m it's not accounted for the total figure unless we receive the full amount. Many transfers are installments which can confuse the figures when looking to see of we have a surplus or not.
Quote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 05:44:07 PM
Also just because we sell a player for say £5m it's not accounted for the total figure unless we receive the full amount. Many transfers are installments which can confuse the figures when looking to see of we have a surplus or not.
Equally the £11million could have been made in instalments and most likely was! The same argument can be used both ways.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 05:46:35 PMQuote from: MJG on February 23, 2015, 05:44:07 PMAlso just because we sell a player for say £5m it's not accounted for the total figure unless we receive the full amount. Many transfers are installments which can confuse the figures when looking to see of we have a surplus or not.
Equally the £11million could have been made in instalments and most likely was! The same argument can be used both ways.
Exactly, so you can't use your original argument that we spent 11 and had 5 in to show a difference as we don't know the breakdown of it.
If we paid 5 up front to Leeds and only got 2.5 this year for Dejagah then we are down on those two deals for this year.
Spending (according to your example) £2.5million does not fall foul of any fair play regulations so the point is moot.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 06:02:25 PMSpending (according to your example) £2.5million does not fall foul of any fair play regulations so the point is moot.
It doesn't but when you are looking at only being allowed an 8m loss in total, there is not much room for the wild expenditure that you and many advocate. We will know more in November when the FL publish the FFP figures for this season and we will see then the facts for this seasons transfers.
It's one reason why I see us selling at least one of the younger players this summer for a decent fee to pay for the purchase of 2-3 players fro the first team. And that's the model we have to go forward with, bring through youngsters, sell one or two a season to finance the team. It's not always going to work like that but it's the business plan.
The £4 mill the Club spent on Hayles and Cookie back in 98 according to one of those online historic inflation calculators is £10.5 mill in todays money. So it would appear the Club has been pretty consistent in it's spending.
We're not having the best of times lately. New owner, four different managers, players in and out so we're now relying on a really mixed bag in a league where strength wins out over skills.
I think the answer is put up with it or go and watch someone else.
The saying "ignorance is bliss" comes to mind - lots of it here me thinks
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on February 23, 2015, 07:33:25 PM
The £4 mill the Club spent on Hayles and Cookie back in 98 according to one of those online historic inflation calculators is £10.5 mill in todays money. So it would appear the Club has been pretty consistent in it's spending.
We're not having the best of times lately. New owner, four different managers, players in and out so we're now relying on a really mixed bag in a league where strength wins out over skills.
I think the answer is put up with it or go and watch someone else.
That was the attitude of those who backed Magath and where did it take us?? Sorry VicHalom Junior, I will NOT accept the rotten standards, amateurish business acumen and the final nail put in Fulham's quest to return to the top division put back another 2 years.
MJG's non-stop excusing awful management at the top by Ali Mack and to a degree Khan which has left us in this predicament, does not make any common sense.
If as MJG claims (and he does not know), Fulham may fall foul of Financial Fair Play rules if we spend on a few players now, then why did Ali Mack approve the signing of a mediocre forward for £11million at the beginning of our campaign?
Surely he would know this may jeopardise any future transfers by over-spending on 1 player, incurring fines or even more serious measures?? I put it to MJG that
not even Ali Mack could be that incompetent. Therefore, ergo, there IS money to spend on new players.
Unless MJG is stating Ali Mack has done that very thing, not structured the purchase of McCormack properly, and the sale of Dejagah, to actually be on the brink of incurring the maximum £8m loss permitted, which would also prove my point that he should not be in the job.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on February 23, 2015, 07:33:25 PM
The £4 mill the Club spent on Hayles and Cookie back in 98 according to one of those online historic inflation calculators is £10.5 mill in todays money. So it would appear the Club has been pretty consistent in it's spending.
We're not having the best of times lately. New owner, four different managers, players in and out so we're now relying on a really mixed bag in a league where strength wins out over skills.
I think the answer is put up with it or go and watch someone else.
That was the attitude of those who backed Magath and where did it take us?? Sorry VicHalom Junior, I will NOT accept the rotten standards, amateurish business acumen and the final nail put in Fulham's quest to return to the top division put back another 2 years.
MJG's non-stop excusing awful management at the top by Ali Mack and to a degree Khan which has left us in this predicament, does not make any common sense.
If as MJG claims (and he does not know), Fulham may fall foul of Financial Fair Play rules if we spend on a few players now, then why did Ali Mack approve the signing of a mediocre forward for £11million at the beginning of our campaign?
Surely he would know this may jeopardise any future transfers by over-spending on 1 player, incurring fines or even more serious measures?? I put it to MJG that not even Ali Mack could be that incompetent. Therefore, ergo, there IS money to spend on new players.
Unless MJG is stating Ali Mack has done that very thing, not structured the purchase of McCormack properly, and the sale of Dejagah, to actually be on the brink of incurring the maximum £8m loss permitted, which would also prove my point that he should not be in the job.
Should that not read Ali Mack, MaF & to a degree Khan maybe? I mean, if you're going to start apportioning blame, make sure you include ALL those at the board level that need to shoulder it, notwithstanding that at least one of those provided so much for us he is often forgiven his latter day mistakes.
Quote from: Logicalman on February 23, 2015, 08:20:37 PM
Should that not read Ali Mack, MaF & to a degree Khan maybe? I mean, if you're going to start apportioning blame, make sure you include ALL those at the board level that need to shoulder it, notwithstanding that at least one of those provided so much for us he is often forgiven his latter day mistakes.
No. Unlike the other two,
MAF was not in any capacity involved with Fulham when those two took us down. I would add, had he stayed one more season the same team that were relegated would have finished mid-table. It reminds me of the same argument some like to affix to Sir Alex Ferguson after he left winning the title with a mediocre team.
Khan on the other listened to a Scottish fool who employed three managers in one season, allowed Berbatov to go cheaply mid-term, spent £11m on an injured striker, etc. The culpability is obvious.
Why the need to keep mentioning that AM is Scottish? It's completely irrelevant to your point.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 23, 2015, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on February 23, 2015, 08:20:37 PM
Should that not read Ali Mack, MaF & to a degree Khan maybe? I mean, if you're going to start apportioning blame, make sure you include ALL those at the board level that need to shoulder it, notwithstanding that at least one of those provided so much for us he is often forgiven his latter day mistakes.
No. Unlike the other two, MAF was not in any capacity involved with Fulham when those two took us down. I would add, had he stayed one more season the same team that were relegated would have finished mid-table. It reminds me of the same argument some like to affix to Sir Alex Ferguson after he left winning the title with a mediocre team.
Khan on the other listened to a Scottish fool who employed three managers in one season, allowed Berbatov to go cheaply mid-term, spent £11m on an injured striker, etc. The culpability is obvious.
It's not really because the rumour is that Khan's son saw the stats on Mitroglou and sanctioned his signing over a player Curbs had recommended. So no one really knows who's to blame on any of the signings.
As for McCormack I was never 100% sold on him as I wanted an out and out striker like Rhodes.
The MAF argument would be that if he was not selling that summer he would have sacked Jol, keeping Jol and allowing him to sign Parker and Bent who between them must have cost us 80k a week plus 3.5 for Parker and a 2m loan fee for Bent. These two signings by Jol... Who got what he wanted plus 5m for a glass GK, cost us in the long run.
.... a chant from the Hammersmith end of "SACK THE BOARD"!!
Khan seems still bereft of knowledge about the situation at Fulham, and if he's getting his info from Kit Symons and Ali Mack, those two are sure to give him a glowing report. Khan still believes the fans are behind Symons' woeful football because he's a 'Fulham' man. I doubt is he knows the majority of us want him out or to change drastically.
Getting a Monday morning review from those two chaps and not watching the game we just lost/drew 0-0 is only getting half the picture. Khan is either a stupid businessman, doesn't care, or is too lazy.
A "Sack The Board" chant is the only way we can force him to wake up!! If he doesn't care, then we'll know for certain afterwards.
But he is never there to hear the chant so will it make a difference? I agree something needs to be done but it's not just Kit, it's the whole running of the club.
We are a joke and most if it is Khans fault for being so oblivious to what a Chairman should do
I see no point to futile chanting, it might make you feel better but it is going to do nothing to improve our teams performance
We have thirteen matches left this season and given our current position, no chance that any quality player will want to sign for our club. So what we have we are stuck with
That being the case, don't you think it might be a better idea to support the team? In the hope that we can encourage them enough to keep us in the Championship?
That way we might then live to fight another day
The time for protest is at the end of the season so as to make sure we do not get into this position again
Quote from: Roberty on February 27, 2015, 09:46:58 PM
I see no point to futile chanting, it might make you feel better but it is going to do nothing to improve our teams performance
We have thirteen matches left this season and given our current position, no chance that any quality player will want to sign for our club. So what we have we are stuck with
That being the case, don't you think it might be a better idea to support the team? In the hope that we can encourage them enough to keep us in the Championship?
That way we might then live to fight another day
The time for protest is at the end of the season sonb as to make sure we do not get into this position again
Spot on. This team ( and Kit ) need our vocal support more than ever, starting tomorrow.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 27, 2015, 10:14:46 PM
Well whatever the score tomorrow, win lose or draw, let's at least let Derby know they have been in a game, if we have to go down fighting so to speak, then so be it, but the effort, commitment and application must be seen in abundance, whether it's Custers last stand, or Rorkes Drift, it's time for the players to roll their those sleeves up, throw away those pathetic gloves they wear, and sweat blood. for the cause.
Totally agree
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 27, 2015, 10:14:46 PM
Well whatever the score tomorrow, win lose or draw, let's at least let Derby know they have been in a game, if we have to go down fighting so to speak, then so be it, but the effort, commitment and application must be seen in abundance, whether it's Custers last stand, or Rorkes Drift, it's time for the players to roll their those sleeves up, throw away those pathetic gloves they wear, and sweat blood. for the cause.
The words of a very wise man! Whatever happens I will stick by the team because I love the club. That doesn't mean I back kit or Khan but I stay with fulham through thick and thin.
The others are right, these protests aren't necessary at the moment. I don't agree with the way khan runs the club but that's an issue for the summer.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 27, 2015, 10:14:46 PM
Well whatever the score tomorrow, win lose or draw, let's at least let Derby know they have been in a game, if we have to go down fighting so to speak, then so be it, but the effort, commitment and application must be seen in abundance, whether it's Custers last stand, or Rorkes Drift, it's time for the players to roll their those sleeves up, throw away those pathetic gloves they wear, and sweat blood. for the cause.
Or even the Alamo, the result is inevitable we will lose, look forward to 2moro nights inquest, all getting inevitable this season!
