I have to say that I am completely staggered by the lack of tactical ability from Kit
1. The starting line up included five players (Turner, Richards, Guthrie, Ruiz, and Rodellega) who won't be there next season.
2. 3-1 up with them down to ten men and we didn't press the destroy button. Perfect opportunity to have Roberts run at them.
3. What did Smith do to deserve to be dropped for Rodellega, who did nothing to impress.
4. I don't get Kavanagh and Tunnicliffe in midfield. Our woeful defending comes from a woeful midfield.
5. Ruiz was the class act on the pitch. Why has he not been starting and why was he taken off today when the game was opening up. A type of game that suits him.
6. Bettinelli had a mare, particularly for their third. But I will forgive him as he has saved us too often this season.
7. No subs apart from Guthrie who was about to be sent off until very late in the game.
8. No animation or coaching at all fro Symins during the game.
9. The midfield has been our problem this season, not stopping their midfield running forward making our defence look bad, and also no movement meaning all the dance can do is lump the ball forward.
10. How come when we are 3-1 up we still play with no confidence.
11. Why Hoogland ahead of Grimmer?
12. Their left back was sent off. We are winning 3-1. We have a fantastically talented right winger on the bench. 1+1 = lets play it safe.
13. At least today we only picked 8 defensive players rather than 9.....
Today was much better, but we are safe and we should have given some youngsters ago. What about Plumain? Roberts? Even Evans at left back. No adventure. Very conservative. Shame on you.
I say this cos I love Fulham. Today's game was incredibly exciting, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but next season I want us to go up!
Gaudeamus igitur.
Even when we beat a team that is a few points from automatic promotion an we are down near the bottom, you still find 13 things to moan about? Max I am a huge fan of yours but how can you be this critical on our final home game of the season? The boys saw the fans off with a victory, enough said.
this thread should be locked - it's meant to be a wind-up
Oh joy a negative thread, that makes a change.
Quote from: Baszab on April 25, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
this thread should be locked - it's meant to be a wind-up
Hello
Hello is that pot
Yeah
Hi pot it's kettle
Don't let the result fool you. We shipped another 3 goals, two when they had 10 men. Papering over the cracks. Poor decision making by players gave the ball away far too often.
Quote from: Domino1879 on April 25, 2015, 07:07:52 PM
Don't let the result fool you. We shipped another 3 goals, two when they had 10 men. Papering over the cracks. Poor decision making by players gave the ball away far too often.
Plus some poor keeping by Betts. However it was a great result and good performance going forward. So not fooled but make the best of another undefeated game.
Quote from: Baszab on April 25, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
this thread should be locked - it's meant to be a wind-up
Not as much as yours though.
We passed back to the keeper 16 times today.
Boro passed back 3 times
Some of our players only know one direction.
Our backs are dire and we ship goals when we should be comfortably rolling home.
The game was exciting. No question and I really enjoyed myself. However the tactical failings were glaring as they have been most of the season. Smith should have started and we should have changed things around in the last 10 minutes. There still isn't a plan B and Managers need to switch things around to win games.
It's not a wind up. We were infinitely better today than we have been for a long time. But a manager needs to get his players playing well when it's needed, not when there is no pressure.
We were negative, and the wrong team was picked yet again.
I am usually upbeat in my postings, but I'm afraid I'm no longer a fan of Kit's and his zero tactical nouse.
I form my opinions over a long period of time. I don't change them every week depending on whether we have won or lost that week.
I agree. Nobody wants to be negative but why were we hanging on in the end? The fourth goal was because they left themselves open while going for the winner. We should have been able to finish them off after the sending off. They must have been very disappointed to concede that last goal giving them nothing from the game. Having said that though we played well for most of the game against a team that has been up the top all season. We also have gone 5 games unbeaten. Always good in the premier league and a good result to end our season at home
We were discussing how many new players we needed to challenge for promotion next season. I said LVC back, two of Hyndman, Roberts or Williams to kick on, another central midfielder and confidence. We have the players to do well. Just lacking in confidence.
our glorious unbeaten run included 2 teams with nothing to play for, huddersfield and blackpool and draws against 2 teams below us in the table wigan and Rotherham
Today's win though creditable was against a team under pressure to win who went down to ten men, while we had no pressure to get a result. Make of these facts what you will.
Quote from: mikestrand on April 25, 2015, 08:21:40 PM
our glorious unbeaten run included 2 teams with nothing to play for, huddersfield and blackpool and draws against 2 teams below us in the table wigan and Rotherham
Today's win though creditable was against a team under pressure to win who went down to ten men, while we had no pressure to get a result. Make of these facts what you will.
So we played 2 teams with nothing to play for and 3 teams with plenty to play for. Would that be an accurate summary of events?
Middlesbrough played a team with 'nothing to play for' today. How did that one work out?
Quote from: Max Headroom on April 25, 2015, 06:20:39 PM
3. What did Smith do to deserve to be dropped for Rodellega, who did nothing to impress.
It was mentioned elsewhere that Smith had a knock and was not 100%.
I'm not saying that this is true but it could be a possibility so I stopped reading when I saw point number 3.
Quote from: cmg on April 25, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on April 25, 2015, 08:21:40 PM
our glorious unbeaten run included 2 teams with nothing to play for, huddersfield and blackpool and draws against 2 teams below us in the table wigan and Rotherham
Today's win though creditable was against a team under pressure to win who went down to ten men, while we had no pressure to get a result. Make of these facts what you will.
So we played 2 teams with nothing to play for and 3 teams with plenty to play for. Would that be an accurate summary of events?
Middlesbrough played a team with 'nothing to play for' today. How did that one work out?
That's about right boro folded under the pressure today
sometimes that happens.
you forgot point 14, we would have crumble even more if banford hadnt have missed the open goal he had at 3-3 and manged to lose to 10 men after being 3-1 up,
Look, Kit Symons inherited a club/squad in pretty much total disarray. If you factor the games he's managed and apply it across the season we would now be in 10th place with 60 points. That's not at all bad for a rookie manager and an unbalanced bunch of players.
Quote from: Max Headroom on April 25, 2015, 08:08:51 PM
We were discussing how many new players we needed to challenge for promotion next season. I said LVC back, two of Hyndman, Roberts or Williams to kick on, another central midfielder and confidence. We have the players to do well. Just lacking in confidence.
This is a joke right? We need an entire new back four and an entire new midfield.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on April 25, 2015, 10:39:50 PM
Look, Kit Symons inherited a club/squad in pretty much total disarray. If you factor the games he's managed and apply it across the season we would now be in 10th place with 60 points. That's not at all bad for a rookie manager and an unbalanced bunch of players.
Many supporters seem to miss these positive statistics. This is Kit's FIRST EVER attempt at being a proper first team manager. What did people expect, a Fergie or Mourinho?
Quote from: maoconnor on April 25, 2015, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on April 25, 2015, 10:39:50 PM
Look, Kit Symons inherited a club/squad in pretty much total disarray. If you factor the games he's managed and apply it across the season we would now be in 10th place with 60 points. That's not at all bad for a rookie manager and an unbalanced bunch of players.
Many supporters seem to miss these positive statistics. This is Kit's FIRST EVER attempt at being a proper first team manager. What did people expect, a Fergie or Mourinho?
Sorry, I didn't realise we were just a test ground for people to come out and give management a go. When did that memo get sent out?
Quote from: JDH101 on April 25, 2015, 10:58:48 PM
Quote from: maoconnor on April 25, 2015, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on April 25, 2015, 10:39:50 PM
Look, Kit Symons inherited a club/squad in pretty much total disarray. If you factor the games he's managed and apply it across the season we would now be in 10th place with 60 points. That's not at all bad for a rookie manager and an unbalanced bunch of players.
Many supporters seem to miss these positive statistics. This is Kit's FIRST EVER attempt at being a proper first team manager. What did people expect, a Fergie or Mourinho?
Sorry, I didn't realise we were just a test ground for people to come out and give management a go. When did that memo get sent out?
Don't let facts confuse things eh?
I think he is brilliant. Who would have planned for that last play other than Kit. He set the trap and sprung it when they brought the keeper up.
Well, it makes as much sense as most of these posts. Red Nose wouldn't have this lot much higher. If you don't have the bods, you can't make the plays.
Now, no one mention all the goals off corners and my comments make sense. That is a coachable issue.
1500.gifThe big worry for me is allowing 2 goals late when we are up a man at home.
What does that mean/indicate exactly?
WELL DONE KIT SYMONS AND THE FULHAM TEAM - HE TOOK OVER WHEN WE SEEMED DOOMED TO A SECOND SUCCESSIVE RELEGATION, AND IMMEDIATELY TURNED IT ROUND.
YES, THERE WERE BLIPS ALONG THE WAY, BUT THE TEAM BATTLED, ENDURED, GROUND OUT SOME VERY IMPORTANT RESULTS, AND FINISHED THE SEASON WITH A HOME TRIUMPH.
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It was a week ago that we started a Saturday still with an outside danger of going down. Now we are 11 points clear of relegation after a thrilling game against a promotion chasing side.
Silly game.
Quote from: Max Headroom on April 25, 2015, 06:20:39 PM
I have to say that I am completely staggered by the lack of tactical ability from Kit
1. The starting line up included five players (Turner, Richards, Guthrie, Ruiz, and Rodellega) who won't be there next season.
2. 3-1 up with them down to ten men and we didn't press the destroy button. Perfect opportunity to have Roberts run at them.
3. What did Smith do to deserve to be dropped for Rodellega, who did nothing to impress.
4. I don't get Kavanagh and Tunnicliffe in midfield. Our woeful defending comes from a woeful midfield.
5. Ruiz was the class act on the pitch. Why has he not been starting and why was he taken off today when the game was opening up. A type of game that suits him.
6. Bettinelli had a mare, particularly for their third. But I will forgive him as he has saved us too often this season.
7. No subs apart from Guthrie who was about to be sent off until very late in the game.
8. No animation or coaching at all fro Symins during the game.
9. The midfield has been our problem this season, not stopping their midfield running forward making our defence look bad, and also no movement meaning all the dance can do is lump the ball forward.
10. How come when we are 3-1 up we still play with no confidence.
11. Why Hoogland ahead of Grimmer?
12. Their left back was sent off. We are winning 3-1. We have a fantastically talented right winger on the bench. 1+1 = lets play it safe.
13. At least today we only picked 8 defensive players rather than 9.....
Today was much better, but we are safe and we should have given some youngsters ago. What about Plumain? Roberts? Even Evans at left back. No adventure. Very conservative. Shame on you.
I say this cos I love Fulham. Today's game was incredibly exciting, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but next season I want us to go up!
I agree with Max Headroom's post. The first half was dreadful from both sides. We lacked intelligence and heart in our play (too many loan players who may not be with us next season). The second half opened up because 'boro raised the tempo and committed more players forward - this gave us more space to play in. I can assure people on this board that other supporters thought the same as Max Headroom as well.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on April 26, 2015, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on April 26, 2015, 12:04:59 AM
WELL DONE KIT SYMONS AND THE FULHAM TEAM - HE TOOK OVER WHEN WE SEEMED DOOMED TO A SECOND SUCCESSIVE RELEGATION, AND IMMEDIATELY TURNED IT ROUND.
YES, THERE WERE BLIPS ALONG THE WAY, BUT THE TEAM BATTLED, ENDURED, GROUND OUT SOME VERY IMPORTANT RESULTS, AND FINISHED THE SEASON WITH A HOME TRIUMPH.
COYW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 082.gif 082.gif
I wish I had a fiver for every time a someone mentioned the word DOOMED ! I could have retired ages a go.
I wonder if anyone can tell me who started this word DOOMED !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo)
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We were hardly doomed when he took over, we were 4 points from safety.
Our total inability to prevent long range shots and crosses, not to mention total inability to defend crosses and set plays are all tactical and coaching issues. We've got experienced centre backs and they seem to have had defending coached out of them.
I'm also worried about how many long range shots Bettinelli is conceding. Not sure if it's a concentration or a positional issue.
3-1 against 10 men, the game should be over. We only won the game because Boro felt they had to and sent their keeper up
Quote from: Ordar on April 27, 2015, 08:52:12 AM
We were hardly doomed when he took over, we were 4 points from safety.
Our total inability to prevent long range shots and crosses, not to mention total inability to defend crosses and set plays are all tactical and coaching issues. We've got experienced centre backs and they seem to have had defending coached out of them.
I'm also worried about how many long range shots Bettinelli is conceding. Not sure if it's a concentration or a positional issue.
3-1 against 10 men, the game should be over. We only won the game because Boro felt they had to and sent their keeper up
The 4 points from safety is not a good argument, Fulham were below blackpool, wigan, rotherham, brighton, reading, bolton and millwall.
Fulham are not being relegated, whilst under Felix, the team may be about equal with Blackpool. Lets not forget from the start of the season up until he was sacked, felix had played 27 different players, including 3 different goalkeepers in a grand total of 8 competative fixtures. Kit has done what was required, stabalise the ship, avoid relegation.
The one thing that is not in dispute is that the defending at set pieces is appalling, and that has to be sorted out.
If we had won our first 6/7 games of the season we still would not have made the play offs. Sobering thought
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
If we had won our first 6/7 games of the season we still would not have made the play offs. Sobering thought
Errrr....I don't think that logic works....If we had won our first 6/7 games it would have meant we had a damn good side, or at least, one playing very well. Felix wouldn't have been sacked and.............well, who knows?
If we had won 4-0 on saturday it would have only shown how wrong our management team have got it this season and only enforced my wish at this moment for Kit to leave his Job, as it was we were lucky to get the win against 10 men.
You can't hide from or forget the terrible football we have all witnessed this season, you can blame players until you're blue in the face but at some point our questions have to come back to the manager. I am 100% sure that even with only a few changes over the summer Kit could move us up to at least mid table at worst next season, for me at this time though a change of manager is the only way forward and hopefully someone with a knowledge of the championship and what it entails to get a team to the top of it. I wish Kit every success in the future and would love him to stay at the club and learn under a new manager as i believe he is Fulham through and through.
Quote from: JDH101 on April 25, 2015, 10:58:48 PM
Quote from: maoconnor on April 25, 2015, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on April 25, 2015, 10:39:50 PM
Look, Kit Symons inherited a club/squad in pretty much total disarray. If you factor the games he's managed and apply it across the season we would now be in 10th place with 60 points. That's not at all bad for a rookie manager and an unbalanced bunch of players.
Many supporters seem to miss these positive statistics. This is Kit's FIRST EVER attempt at being a proper first team manager. What did people expect, a Fergie or Mourinho?
Sorry, I didn't realise we were just a test ground for people to come out and give management a go. When did that memo get sent out?
That memo got sent out when a mawkish majority of supporters insisted upon a "Fulham-man" getting the top job. Rather than a non Fulham-man like Gary Rowett, Karl Robinson, Neil Lennon, Alex Neil etc.
Is Danny Murphy next in line for a 'go' still?
1. The starting line up included five players (Turner, Richards, Guthrie, Ruiz, and Rodellega) who won't be there next season.
5. Ruiz was the class act on the pitch. Why has he not been starting and why was he taken off today when the game was opening up. A type of game that suits him.
You contradict yourself
One minute you don't want Ruiz, next minute you say he is a class act.
Should we only put out the players who will be here next season or should we put out the best side?
If we had finished 7th, 10th, 14th or 17th this season, it would all be the same in the History Of Fulham.
This season has been a sobering one for all involved especially considering our status this century. It has been a learning curve for Kit, too. I expect there will be much reflection on his part, once the season is over.
I want Kit to stay but I want the Club to come out with a clearly stated "mission statement" as to future direction. MAF threw money at it and it worked. Maybe it can work again.
By the way, what was Roy's record in the season he joined us, compared with Kit's ?
Quote from: JDH101 on April 25, 2015, 10:47:29 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on April 25, 2015, 08:08:51 PM
We were discussing how many new players we needed to challenge for promotion next season. I said LVC back, two of Hyndman, Roberts or Williams to kick on, another central midfielder and confidence. We have the players to do well. Just lacking in confidence.
This is a joke right? We need an entire new back four and an entire new midfield.
:plus one: lets go and do what smaller potless clubs have to do and stick with a rookie boss
Lets throw away twenty years of building the club and fanbase.
A staggering lack of ambition that will be regretted for years to come
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2015, 11:53:18 AM
By the way, what was Roy's record in the season he joined us, compared with Kit's ?
A rather well timed question as Kit has been in charge for 38 matches - exactly the same as Roy's first season.
Roy: p38 w12 d10 l16 ppm 1.21 [PL]
Kit: p38 w14 d 9 l15 ppm 1.34 [Ch]
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2015, 11:53:18 AM
By the way, what was Roy's record in the season he joined us, compared with Kit's ?
A rather well timed question as Kit has been in charge for 38 matches - exactly the same as Roy's first season.
Roy: p38 w12 d10 l16 ppm 1.21 [PL]
Kit: p38 w14 d 9 l15 ppm 1.34 [Ch]
well done fellas a win double on the twisted logic front, honestly comparing mid table in the premier to mid table in the championship
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2015, 11:53:18 AM
By the way, what was Roy's record in the season he joined us, compared with Kit's ?
A rather well timed question as Kit has been in charge for 38 matches - exactly the same as Roy's first season.
Roy: p38 w12 d10 l16 ppm 1.21 [PL]
Kit: p38 w14 d 9 l15 ppm 1.34 [Ch]
Not a fair comparison at all. Premier League v Championship.
In any case its the manner of our performances that have been so depressing.
We have been conceding goals alarmingly for two seasons and that has not improved under Kit.
Roy tightened up our defence.
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2015, 11:53:18 AM
By the way, what was Roy's record in the season he joined us, compared with Kit's ?
A rather well timed question as Kit has been in charge for 38 matches - exactly the same as Roy's first season.
Roy: p38 w12 d10 l16 ppm 1.21 [PL]
Kit: p38 w14 d 9 l15 ppm 1.34 [Ch]
well done fellas a win double on the twisted logic front, honestly comparing mid table in the premier to mid table in the championship
Odd response.
There is no logic involved, twisted or otherwise.
A question was asked - the answer was provided. The figures are correct. It was explicitly stated (for those who might not have known) that one set applied to the PL the other to the Ch.
No comment was made.
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2015, 11:53:18 AM
By the way, what was Roy's record in the season he joined us, compared with Kit's ?
A rather well timed question as Kit has been in charge for 38 matches - exactly the same as Roy's first season.
Roy: p38 w12 d10 l16 ppm 1.21 [PL]
Kit: p38 w14 d 9 l15 ppm 1.34 [Ch]
well done fellas a win double on the twisted logic front, honestly comparing mid table in the premier to mid table in the championship
Odd response.
There is no logic involved, twisted or otherwise.
A question was asked - the answer was provided. The figures are correct. It was explicitly stated (for those who might not have known) that one set applied to the PL the other to the Ch.
No comment was made.
Well said, cmg, and thanks.
I guess we all have our own agenda. I could say that Roy inherited a Premier squad and Kit a Championship one. I was merely curious, however.
Was everyone happy with Roy at that time (I can't remember) or merely exultant that our neck had been saved by Murphy's ?
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2015, 11:53:18 AM
By the way, what was Roy's record in the season he joined us, compared with Kit's ?
A rather well timed question as Kit has been in charge for 38 matches - exactly the same as Roy's first season.
Roy: p38 w12 d10 l16 ppm 1.21 [PL]
Kit: p38 w14 d 9 l15 ppm 1.34 [Ch]
Hang on - Roy didn't join until 30 December 2007, i.e. it was a part-season !
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 27, 2015, 11:53:18 AM
By the way, what was Roy's record in the season he joined us, compared with Kit's ?
A rather well timed question as Kit has been in charge for 38 matches - exactly the same as Roy's first season.
Roy: p38 w12 d10 l16 ppm 1.21 [PL]
Kit: p38 w14 d 9 l15 ppm 1.34 [Ch]
well done fellas a win double on the twisted logic front, honestly comparing mid table in the premier to mid table in the championship
Odd response.
There is no logic involved, twisted or otherwise.
A question was asked - the answer was provided. The figures are correct. It was explicitly stated (for those who might not have known) that one set applied to the PL the other to the Ch.
No comment was made.
Why would it be a well timed question when no real conclusion can be drawn from the comparison.
In the Premier that set of results would be an achievement for a club of our size, likewise the set of results in the championship would only be average for the same reason.
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Why would it be a well timed question when no real conclusion can be drawn from the comparison.
In the Premier that set of results would be an achievement for a club of our size, likewise the set of results in the championship would only be average for the same reason.
Right. Getting a bit boring now, but I'll answer your question.
I thought the question 'well timed' because, when I came to look at the figures I saw that Roy's 'first' season consisted of 38 games which, by a minor and insignificant, coincidence happened to be the number of games for which Kit has now been in charge, ie. 38.
HOWEVER
as
Fulham1959 has pointed out, due to a 'Tactical Ineptitude' on my part I was reading Roy's figures upside down and, in fact, the numbers I gave were for his LAST 38 matches.
The figures for his FIRST 38 matches, again presented without, please note, any comment other than to say that they were achieved in the PL (because that's where we were when Roy was given the job)
Roy: p38 w12 d12 l14 ppm 1.26
I'm getting '3-0 against Swansea' vibes from some of the reactions to this result. Great day at the Cottage, fantastic result against a side who we had no right to win against on paper, but the same issues were still there.
Quote from: cmg on April 27, 2015, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Why would it be a well timed question when no real conclusion can be drawn from the comparison.
In the Premier that set of results would be an achievement for a club of our size, likewise the set of results in the championship would only be average for the same reason.
Right. Getting a bit boring now, but I'll answer your question.
I thought the question 'well timed' because, when I came to look at the figures I saw that Roy's 'first' season consisted of 38 games which, by a minor and insignificant, coincidence happened to be the number of games for which Kit has now been in charge, ie. 38.
HOWEVER
as Fulham1959 has pointed out, due to a 'Tactical Ineptitude' on my part I was reading Roy's figures upside down and, in fact, the numbers I gave were for his LAST 38 matches.
The figures for his FIRST 38 matches, again presented without, please note, any comment other than to say that they were achieved in the PL (because that's where we were when Roy was given the job)
Roy: p38 w12 d12 l14 ppm 1.26
Thanks for the clarification, It just seemed a bit unfair on Kit to compare him with Roy.
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
If we had won our first 6/7 games of the season we still would not have made the play offs. Sobering thought
Even more sobering would have been the actual positions had we won those games .... Considering the gutting team changes made closed season, this would not have been a placing out of sorts with us either. In fact, I believe many on here would not have been too put out, considering.
Ain't stats a real pig? Just when you think that Kit has done a terrible job, those bloody stats come and bite you where it really hurts!! :005:
| Position | Team | Old Pos | Plyd | Won | Drew | Lost | For | Against | Goal Diff | Points |
| 1 | Watford | 1 | 45 | 27 | 7 | 11 | 90 | 49 | 41 | 88 |
| 2 | Bournemouth | 2 | 44 | 24 | 12 | 8 | 92 | 45 | 47 | 84 |
| 3 | Middlesbrough | 3 | 45 | 25 | 9 | 11 | 68 | 37 | 31 | 84 |
| 4 | Norwich | 4 | 45 | 24 | 11 | 10 | 84 | 46 | 38 | 83 |
| 5 | Ipswich | 5 | 45 | 21 | 12 | 12 | 68 | 51 | 17 | 75 |
| 6 | Brentford | 7 | 45 | 22 | 9 | 14 | 75 | 59 | 16 | 75 |
| 7 | Derby | 6 | 45 | 20 | 14 | 11 | 80 | 53 | 27 | 74 |
| 8 | Wolves | 8 | 45 | 20 | 12 | 13 | 65 | 55 | 10 | 72 |
| 9 | Fulham | 17 | 45 | 20 | 9 | 16 | 63 | 66 | -3 | 69 |
| 10 | Blackburn | 9 | 45 | 16 | 16 | 13 | 63 | 57 | 6 | 64 |
| 11 | Charlton | 10 | 45 | 14 | 18 | 13 | 54 | 57 | -3 | 60 |
| 12 | Birmingham | 11 | 45 | 15 | 15 | 15 | 53 | 64 | -11 | 60 |
| 13 | Nottm Forest | 12 | 45 | 15 | 14 | 16 | 70 | 67 | 3 | 59 |
| 14 | Sheff Wed | 14 | 45 | 14 | 17 | 14 | 42 | 48 | -6 | 59 |
| 15 | Cardiff | 13 | 45 | 15 | 13 | 17 | 54 | 60 | -6 | 58 |
| 16 | Leeds | 15 | 45 | 15 | 10 | 20 | 50 | 61 | -11 | 55 |
| 17 | Huddersfield | 16 | 45 | 13 | 15 | 17 | 58 | 75 | -17 | 54 |
| 18 | Bolton | 18 | 44 | 13 | 12 | 19 | 54 | 63 | -9 | 51 |
| 19 | Brighton | 20 | 45 | 10 | 16 | 19 | 44 | 54 | -10 | 46 |
| 20 | Rotherham | 21 | 44 | 10 | 15 | 19 | 44 | 66 | -22 | 45 |
| 21 | Reading | 19 | 44 | 11 | 11 | 22 | 41 | 68 | -27 | 44 |
| 22 | Wigan | 23 | 45 | 9 | 12 | 24 | 39 | 61 | -22 | 39 |
| 23 | Millwall | 22 | 45 | 8 | 14 | 23 | 39 | 73 | -34 | 38 |
| 24 | Blackpool | 24 | 45 | 4 | 13 | 28 | 36 | 91 | -55 | 25 |
How many times have we gone, down to 10 men, under Kit and fight too come back. No he just takes of the only players that can pass, and we go on to throw away even more goals. The quality in managers last Saturday says everything.
Please tell me the logic of playing Woodrow in midfield, when we had a midfielder on the bench? Despite taking off a player that could have allowed us to pick off the spaces in an opposition that has "gone for it".
Yes Betts mucked up, but the game completely swayed on that sub, as well as the three for Borough. I had no problems up to that point, but again like Forest he almost threw away a game that was sowed up, against TEN men.
Again, our luckiest, worst manager.
To be honest I am really sick of all this now every day, every week, every month the same bloody posts on the same subject. We all knew what was wrong a long while ago so why do we have to keep repeating the problems all the time.
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
If we had won our first 6/7 games of the season we still would not have made the play offs. Sobering thought
That tiny word IF how many times has it been used on here.
If only he hadnt got sent off, if only he hadnt punched that ball out, if
he hadnt missed that sitter, if if if if if...
Its all hypothetical, we did have only 1 point from Felix's games.
If Felix had won his next game he might have gone on and won his next 10
we will never know..
Yes that If word, If me grannie had whatsits she'd be my grandad..... :023:
If we had won 6 more games last season we wouldn't have been in the Championship, stupid posting! If my aunt had b-ll-ks etc!!
Quote from: Max Headroom on April 25, 2015, 06:20:39 PM
I have to say that I am completely staggered by the lack of tactical ability from Kit
1. The starting line up included five players (Turner, Richards, Guthrie, Ruiz, and Rodellega) who won't be there next season.
2. 3-1 up with them down to ten men and we didn't press the destroy button. Perfect opportunity to have Roberts run at them.
3. What did Smith do to deserve to be dropped for Rodellega, who did nothing to impress.
4. I don't get Kavanagh and Tunnicliffe in midfield. Our woeful defending comes from a woeful midfield.
5. Ruiz was the class act on the pitch. Why has he not been starting and why was he taken off today when the game was opening up. A type of game that suits him.
6. Bettinelli had a mare, particularly for their third. But I will forgive him as he has saved us too often this season.
7. No subs apart from Guthrie who was about to be sent off until very late in the game.
8. No animation or coaching at all fro Symins during the game.
9. The midfield has been our problem this season, not stopping their midfield running forward making our defence look bad, and also no movement meaning all the dance can do is lump the ball forward.
10. How come when we are 3-1 up we still play with no confidence.
11. Why Hoogland ahead of Grimmer?
12. Their left back was sent off. We are winning 3-1. We have a fantastically talented right winger on the bench. 1+1 = lets play it safe.
13. At least today we only picked 8 defensive players rather than 9.....
Today was much better, but we are safe and we should have given some youngsters ago. What about Plumain? Roberts? Even Evans at left back. No adventure. Very conservative. Shame on you.
I say this cos I love Fulham. Today's game was incredibly exciting, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but next season I want us to go up!
, who cares if it is a wind up and I don't think it is ! And I agree with all said on it.
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Quote from: Logicalman on April 27, 2015, 06:13:32 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on April 27, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
If we had won our first 6/7 games of the season we still would not have made the play offs. Sobering thought
Even more sobering would have been the actual positions had we won those games .... Considering the gutting team changes made closed season, this would not have been a placing out of sorts with us either. In fact, I believe many on here would not have been too put out, considering.
Ain't stats a real pig? Just when you think that Kit has done a terrible job, those bloody stats come and bite you where it really hurts!! :005:
| Position | Team | Old Pos | Plyd | Won | Drew | Lost | For | Against | Goal Diff | Points |
| 1 | Watford | 1 | 45 | 27 | 7 | 11 | 90 | 49 | 41 | 88 |
| 2 | Bournemouth | 2 | 44 | 24 | 12 | 8 | 92 | 45 | 47 | 84 |
| 3 | Middlesbrough | 3 | 45 | 25 | 9 | 11 | 68 | 37 | 31 | 84 |
| 4 | Norwich | 4 | 45 | 24 | 11 | 10 | 84 | 46 | 38 | 83 |
| 5 | Ipswich | 5 | 45 | 21 | 12 | 12 | 68 | 51 | 17 | 75 |
| 6 | Brentford | 7 | 45 | 22 | 9 | 14 | 75 | 59 | 16 | 75 |
| 7 | Derby | 6 | 45 | 20 | 14 | 11 | 80 | 53 | 27 | 74 |
| 8 | Wolves | 8 | 45 | 20 | 12 | 13 | 65 | 55 | 10 | 72 |
| 9 | Fulham | 17 | 45 | 20 | 9 | 16 | 63 | 66 | -3 | 69 |
| 10 | Blackburn | 9 | 45 | 16 | 16 | 13 | 63 | 57 | 6 | 64 |
| 11 | Charlton | 10 | 45 | 14 | 18 | 13 | 54 | 57 | -3 | 60 |
| 12 | Birmingham | 11 | 45 | 15 | 15 | 15 | 53 | 64 | -11 | 60 |
| 13 | Nottm Forest | 12 | 45 | 15 | 14 | 16 | 70 | 67 | 3 | 59 |
| 14 | Sheff Wed | 14 | 45 | 14 | 17 | 14 | 42 | 48 | -6 | 59 |
| 15 | Cardiff | 13 | 45 | 15 | 13 | 17 | 54 | 60 | -6 | 58 |
| 16 | Leeds | 15 | 45 | 15 | 10 | 20 | 50 | 61 | -11 | 55 |
| 17 | Huddersfield | 16 | 45 | 13 | 15 | 17 | 58 | 75 | -17 | 54 |
| 18 | Bolton | 18 | 44 | 13 | 12 | 19 | 54 | 63 | -9 | 51 |
| 19 | Brighton | 20 | 45 | 10 | 16 | 19 | 44 | 54 | -10 | 46 |
| 20 | Rotherham | 21 | 44 | 10 | 15 | 19 | 44 | 66 | -22 | 45 |
| 21 | Reading | 19 | 44 | 11 | 11 | 22 | 41 | 68 | -27 | 44 |
| 22 | Wigan | 23 | 45 | 9 | 12 | 24 | 39 | 61 | -22 | 39 |
| 23 | Millwall | 22 | 45 | 8 | 14 | 23 | 39 | 73 | -34 | 38 |
| 24 | Blackpool | 24 | 45 | 4 | 13 | 28 | 36 | 91 | -55 | 25 |
I was merely saying in a twisted illogical way imagine if the magath nightmare hadnt happened and we had a wonderful start we still would not have made the play offs, true its all subjective because we're never know what squad kit would have created better? or worse? after the january window personally I don't think it would have been much better.
Stats of course can be subjective too as this table shows how poor we have been in much of the second part of the season(http://embed.gyazo.com/1830b27ea4175413a506976e82fece91.png)
Mike, totally agree mate. A good start of the season tends to lead to an upswing in subsequent results and so it's really all hypothetical really :021:
