When running half the length of the pitch, who is the player to his right that he's waving to, desperately trying to set up? If you look at the video, Ross is unselfishly looking to give that goal to someone else, but they don't arrive in time, or look interested. A real professional that is.
Maybe he was trying to distract the goal keeper?
It looked to me as if the player was waving McCormack on to score on his own.
It was Tunni......I think he ran out of breath
It was Tunnicliffe running along side. I saw him indicate to Ross to go for it, but he should have been right up side him, an option to square it. They had words in the celebration, but it just shows how much Tunni lacks in confidence going forward.
Ross M on the club site says:
"When I was running through one-on-one, Tunnicliffe was on my right hand side so I was saying you come up and I'll square it and you can get your first goal. But he was like 'no,no, no, no!' He was shouting away while I'm running, 'you get your hat-trick' so that was nice of him. But like I say I was just pleased with a win."
Interesting insight into player relationships that he refers to him as 'Tunnicliffe', not Tunny or Ryan.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on April 26, 2015, 11:58:31 AM
Ross M on the club site says:
"When I was running through one-on-one, Tunnicliffe was on my right hand side so I was saying you come up and I'll square it and you can get your first goal. But he was like 'no,no, no, no!' He was shouting away while I'm running, 'you get your hat-trick' so that was nice of him. But like I say I was just pleased with a win."
Interesting insight into player relationships that he refers to him as 'Tunnicliffe', not Tunny or Ryan.
surnames are the standard way of talking about footballers. He might well use a nickname for Ryan, but choose not to in an interview
Ross is one of the more unselfish players we've had in a long while - he's very reasoned with his decision making.
Quote from: FPT on April 26, 2015, 12:23:37 PM
Ross is one of the more unselfish players we've had in a long while - he's very reasoned with his decision making.
He reminds me of McBride - fantastic, hard working professional!
Ross says he was tired and has been carrying a knee injury for many weeks. He wanted to pass to Tunnicliffe but Tunnii said 'go for the hat trick'. I have a feeling neither wanted the responsibility. But clearly Ross despite his tiredness and injury was best qualified to take it on.
Tunni makes some real lung busting <cliche - dues paid> runs! he was alongside fof at Huddersfield too. He works better in the middle of a flat 4.
I think Tunni made the run because he is such a good , hard working pro, but probably hoped Ross would take the chance on himself, because he lacks confidence, and it was big responsibility.
Good of Ross to make the offer though-says a lot about him.
Just watched the highlights & Ross does so well to beat the Boro defender twice before rounding the keeper.
A really great finish from a model pro and for me our player of the season.
I wanted to ask this but I can't find out how to start new topics from the new tapatalk!!
In real time, Ross was desperate for {Tunnicliffe?} to get alongside him, you could see him beckoning him to make it harder for the keeper to make a decision. In the end, he just gave up and that was selfish IMO. If Ross had messed that up or the keeper had made a good save we'd all be blaming Ross where in reality it would have been tunnicliffes fault but thankfully he did brilliantly.
I'm not sure why he did it though. Confidence or energy? I doubt it. When Fofana ran the length of the pitch to score the other week wasn't it Tunnicliffe desperately trying to get up alongside him to offer support in the last minute?
i dont think tunni lacks confidence, in one chat with the manager he expressed his feelings very freely. I watched the highlights when I got hom and to me it lokoed very clear that he was syaing your on a hatrick finish it off. They had a chat after and it seemd quite cordial, nice of Ross to try and get him a goal but also nice on Tunnis part, Tunni knows his role in the team for sure
I think tunnicliffe plays a role if we had a bit more talent elsewhere in midfield (Ruiz excepted). He is limited, but runs and runs and runs......
I think his best position is in a midfield for or playing just in front if the back 4
Quote from: westcliff white on April 26, 2015, 08:48:42 PM
i dont think tunni lacks confidence, in one chat with the manager he expressed his feelings very freely. I watched the highlights when I got hom and to me it lokoed very clear that he was syaing your on a hatrick finish it off. They had a chat after and it seemd quite cordial, nice of Ross to try and get him a goal but also nice on Tunnis part, Tunni knows his role in the team for sure
I think Ross would have liked him there as a decoy if nothing else. 2 on 1 is a lot easier. 1 on 1 is a battle of nerves and a hint of luck
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Very very good
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Quote from: westcliff white on April 26, 2015, 08:48:42 PM
i dont think tunni lacks confidence, in one chat with the manager he expressed his feelings very freely. I watched the highlights when I got hom and to me it lokoed very clear that he was syaing your on a hatrick finish it off. They had a chat after and it seemd quite cordial, nice of Ross to try and get him a goal but also nice on Tunnis part, Tunni knows his role in the team for sure
I meant in front of goal he might lack confidence. He has often got himself into scoring positions but either passed the ball, or snatched his shot.
But it's true that he probably thought Ross was better equipped to go on and score with his record, as well as being on a hat-trick, and the chance wasn't as easy as it looked -how many times has a Fulham player missed such an 'easy' chance.
Ross also did well to gain possession and go on the run clear in the first place, but Tunni's run meant he was there as an option and back up, and, importantly, as a decoy-good, unselfish play by him.
But I wasn't trying to suggest that there was any animosity between Ross and Tunni - why would there be?
Agree Ray I dont think the is any or should be any. I may have misread your comments but agree with your post above as that is how I saw it.
I like Tunnicliffe a lot. Works hard for the team and played through the middle would be a much better Sidwell. This year he has had the thankless task of filling LVC's boots and playing out of position, but still never moans or stops running.
Quote from: HV71 on April 26, 2015, 10:31:14 PM
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My point being is he always seems to be on the right or left of a diamond and I do not think that suits him. Should be the base of the diamond on in a flat 4 across the park
I don't get why people are making more out of this that there is to make, Ross said quite clearly that Tunniclliffe told him to go for his hat trick, why is that such a big thing.
Quote from: alfie on April 28, 2015, 08:01:58 AM
I don't get why people are making more out of this that there is to make, Ross said quite clearly that Tunniclliffe told him to go for his hat trick, why is that such a big thing.
People are looking at it in terms of: If Ross misses that chance, the game ends 3-3 and we lose 2 points. If Tunners then runs alongside him even as a backup option, the goal stands whoever scores it.
Ross is being unselfish and that's incredibly generous considering he was on for the hat-trick that late on in the game and it being that crucial.
I think it's credit to the squad harmony that they are that considerate for each other.
Plus, long story short - If we had something to play for, I'm pretty sure Tunners would have done the running for the goal. He did at Hudders to support Fofana.
Quote from: Bronaldinho on April 28, 2015, 11:26:42 AM
Quote from: alfie on April 28, 2015, 08:01:58 AM
I don't get why people are making more out of this that there is to make, Ross said quite clearly that Tunniclliffe told him to go for his hat trick, why is that such a big thing.
People are looking at it in terms of: If Ross misses that chance, the game ends 3-3 and we lose 2 points. If Tunners then runs alongside him even as a backup option, the goal stands whoever scores it.
Ross is being unselfish and that's incredibly generous considering he was on for the hat-trick that late on in the game and it being that crucial.
I think it's credit to the squad harmony that they are that considerate for each other.
Plus, long story short - If we had something to play for, I'm pretty sure Tunners would have done the running for the goal. He did at Hudders to support Fofana.
that is quite correct but he did not miss, so it is a non story, have a go a moan about it if he did miss but he didn't
Watching the video again I am really disappointed with how Richards gave up at the half way line and Tunni turned away long before a goal was certain. They should both have chased after Mc in case his effort when tits up. Poor for proffesional players. On a side note: watching some of the many chefs programs on telly it seems young pro chefs and footballers are schooled in talking themselves up when what they produce is unappetising.
Quote from: Dodger53 on April 29, 2015, 09:49:24 AM
Watching the video again I am really disappointed with how Richards gave up at the half way line and Tunni turned away long before a goal was certain. They should both have chased after Mc in case his effort when tits up. Poor for proffesional players. On a side note: watching some of the many chefs programs on telly it seems young pro chefs and footballers are schooled in talking themselves up when what they produce is unappetising.
He done it against Hudders when there was something to play for. He put belief in McCormack with the last kick of the game.
Non story, leave it at that.
If anything, take it as a positive that the players have faith in McCormack, especially as he was captain.
Personally I thought that Bettinelli should have been on hand rather than lazily assuming his job for the day was done (I note he was wearing gloves, too). Symons, too should have been there, hands out of pockets, clipboard in hand, jumping up and down and bawling last minute instructions. What are these people paid for?
To stop this kind of disaster recurring we should, in future, avoid scoring at all.
