Prepare to be annoyed:
- Kit is sure he'll be at the club next season.
- Kit says he's unlikely to use the youngsters against Norwich as he wants to finish the season on a high.
- Kit says he'll speak to the out of contract and loan players about their futures after the Norwich game.
- Kit on Stafylidis' Instagram post implying he's leaving - 'maybe he's decided he's off, I haven't spoken to him yet'
- Kit says he's expecting a lot of changes at the Club over the summer.
- Reflecting on the season, Kit says: "It was a tough season that we had to battle through. But we won that battle.
- In his pre-match press conference, Kit Symons says that Scott Parker remains a doubt for Saturday's trip to Norwich.
I have an incredibly bad feeling that he's going to stay...
(credit to Thomas McIlroy on twitter)
Buy enough quality talent in summer early, give them a whole preseason to settle and get fit and it probably shouldnt matter if he's in charge. Thats looking at it in the most positive light I guess...
We are getting to the point where every post is an excuse to have a go at Symons. But thanks for posting as I (needless to say) read the points and make different conclusions.
Yeah I don't understand the bile with which some people are slagging off Kit nowadays.
Yes the tactics weren't perfect, the results often disappointing, but doesn't a proper Fulham man deserve as much time as humanly possible?! Or do we just want to be yet another group of irrational, impatient and deluded fans with ideas way above their station?
Kit deserves a proper pre-season and a chance to build a squad.
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Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 30, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
Yeah I don't understand the bile with which some people are slagging off Kit nowadays.
Yes the tactics weren't perfect, the results often disappointing, but doesn't a proper Fulham man deserve as much time as humanly possible?! Or do we just want to be yet another group of irrational, impatient and deluded fans with ideas way above their station?
Kit deserves a proper pre-season and a chance to build a squad.
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Although I've had go at him about things, I agree in the short/long term
I didnt slag off Symons in my post. I was quoting what was said in the press conference. I merely said I was worried he was going to stay. Quite clearly he is tactically inept. It doesnt make him a bad person and I appreciate what he has done for the club, it doesnt make him a good manager.
Putting out loan signings and players who are going to leave again for the final game of the season is ridiculous. Its extremely likely that only 4 or 5 of the players that start at the weekend will be starting the first game next year.
If the younger players cant get game time in such a relatively meaningless game for us, when are they going to play?!
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 30, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
Yeah I don't understand the bile with which some people are slagging off Kit nowadays.
Yes the tactics weren't perfect, the results often disappointing, but doesn't a proper Fulham man deserve as much time as humanly possible?! Or do we just want to be yet another group of irrational, impatient and deluded fans with ideas way above their station?
Kit deserves a proper pre-season and a chance to build a squad.
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Exactly :plus one: The very helpful league table posted yesterday by MJG showed that we'd have finished very comfortably upper mid-table if Kit had been the only manager this season of our mish-mash of a squad.
Quote from: Ordar on April 30, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
I didnt slag off Symons in my post. I was quoting what was said in the press conference. I merely said I was worried he was going to stay. Quite clearly he is tactically inept. It doesnt make him a bad person and I appreciate what he has done for the club, it doesnt make him a good manager.
Putting out loan signings and players who are going to leave again for the final game of the season is ridiculous. Its extremely likely that only 4 or 5 of the players that start at the weekend will be starting the first game next year.
If the younger players cant get game time in such a relatively meaningless game for us, when are they going to play?!
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I agree. Great, we stayed up. We could have been in this position months ago, not just the last few weeks. Clearly tactically poor, no matter how nice a guy he is.
I'd like to build the future of this club with someone who has a lot of experience, not someone who can't sub a player who is clearly breathing out of this arse after 70 minutes.
Here's another quote for you: "I certainly want to finish the season as strongly as possible. I want to finish it off properly but we've also got an eye on next season now so that will play a part in my potential team selection or substitutes."
Seems sensible to me.
The group of irrational, impatient and deluded fans were the ones that wanted him in, and purely look at football in the short term (results). Performances, style of play, team selections, loan outs/ins, set up, patterns of play have all been a disaster. We need a new u21 manager, about 4 new coaches and a new manager, get Wrigley back etc.
Would be nice to have a decent manager, whilst investing in the youth at the same time. Not the last three years spending money in youth whilst the top down management has been appalling.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on April 30, 2015, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on April 30, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
Yeah I don't understand the bile with which some people are slagging off Kit nowadays.
Yes the tactics weren't perfect, the results often disappointing, but doesn't a proper Fulham man deserve as much time as humanly possible?! Or do we just want to be yet another group of irrational, impatient and deluded fans with ideas way above their station?
Kit deserves a proper pre-season and a chance to build a squad.
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Exactly :plus one: The very helpful league table posted yesterday by MJG showed that we'd have finished very comfortably upper mid-table if Kit had been the only manager this season of our mish-mash of a squad.
I hate those tables being used as objective fact. Don't get me wrong, they're interesting but need to be taken with a punch of salt. For all we know, Magath's cheese might have worked and we'd finished much higher. Its all theory.
I don't like people bashing fans who think kit shouldn't be here next year after the shocker of a season we've had. Fair enough thinking differently, but slinging mud is just petty and uncalled for.
I was firmly against him staying past the end of this season for reasons already mentioned but I'd like to think that all fans if he is given time will support him and the club and hope, like when he joined he becomes a success.
Good luck to him because if we spend, he has a massive job on his hands as promotion will be the necessity and the pressure will be enormous considering how difficult this league is.
Quote from: Ordar on April 30, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
I didnt slag off Symons in my post. I was quoting what was said in the press conference. I merely said I was worried he was going to stay.
actually you said
'I have an incredibly bad feeling that he's going to stay...'
and that does sound like you were having a go..... I am just saying
Quote from: Southcoastffc on April 30, 2015, 04:05:34 PM
Here's another quote for you: "I certainly want to finish the season as strongly as possible. I want to finish it off properly but we've also got an eye on next season now so that will play a part in my potential team selection or substitutes."
Seems sensible to me.
Yes it does. And, I believe Norwich deserve as tough a match as we can possibly give them, being in the table position that they are ( I know the result wont change their position enough to matter ).
As well, playing til the last whistle of the last game will be a good lesson for the youngsters. We may be fighting for a playoff place next season or an automatic place or fighting to survive. Who knows? We're Fulham. Point being, those that deserve a place in the first team, in the eyes of the manager, are who should be starting - not those who might or might not be ready come the following season.
It does almost feel that we are being conditioned now into accepting the fact that Kit will be in charge next season.
Quote from: Lighthouse on April 30, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
We are getting to the point where every post is an excuse to have a go at Symons.
If we are (and I do not wish to imply that this thread is), is it not par for the course when our manager is considered to be letting us down? We reached exactly the same point with Jol and Magath.
Maybe you are noticing this all the more owing to that you are one of the minority who would rather Symons continued; with MJ and FM, I guess you were among the majority who wanted rid of them and, as such, were not irked by the tide of criticism they received.
Fine by me, if Kit stays, it'll mean another season in the Championship, so if that's the Clubs ambition, then let them get on with it, I won't be renewing my season ticket. Just another quick marketing ploy to get you to renew, then announce the backing of Symon's.
Before everyone jumps on my back about this, tactically, there is no benefits of keeping him as manager. If all fails, then an experience guy will possibly deliver the same mid-table finish.
Early signs of a productive summer are looking bleak already (sigh)
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on April 30, 2015, 04:17:12 PM
Yes it does. And, I believe Norwich deserve as tough a match as we can possibly give them...
Do you think that Norwich will reciprocate by playing a full-strength side and giving it their all? Unless they are going to do so, then clearly they don't 'deserve' anything from us.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on April 30, 2015, 04:17:12 PM
As well, playing til the last whistle of the last game will be a good lesson for the youngsters.
However much of a lesson not playing this weekend will be for our youngsters, I would argue that, handled well, it would be a far more useful lesson for some of them to be involved in the game.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on April 30, 2015, 04:39:33 PM
Fine by me, if Kit stays, it'll mean another season in the Championship, so if that's the Clubs ambition, then let them get on with it, I won't be renewing my season ticket. Just another quick marketing ploy to get you to renew, then announce the backing of Symon's.
Before everyone jumps on my back about this, tactically, there is no benefits of keeping him as manager. If all fails, then an experience guy will possibly deliver the same mid-table finish.
Early signs of a productive summer are looking bleak already (sigh)
There is another serious problem with keeping Kit. How are we going to attract any quality players this summer?
As a potential player would you believe in his VISION, in his AMBITION? 079.gif
Or maybe it's Curbishley job. He definitely looks like a salesman or at least like Michael McIntyre playing a regional sales manager.
051 Khan - WAKE UP! you're throwing your investment down the proverbial toilet!
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Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on April 30, 2015, 04:17:12 PM
Yes it does. And, I believe Norwich deserve as tough a match as we can possibly give them...
Do you think that Norwich will reciprocate by playing a full-strength side and giving it their all? Unless they are going to do so, then clearly they don't 'deserve' anything from us.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on April 30, 2015, 04:17:12 PM
As well, playing til the last whistle of the last game will be a good lesson for the youngsters.
However much of a lesson not playing this weekend will be for our youngsters, I would argue that, handled well, it would be a far more useful lesson for some of them to be involved in the game.
Honestly, I only care what we do. Playing a relaxed game in no way prepares their squad well for the short promotion tournament that lies ahead of them.
To be clear, I was only speaking to the notion that we just play our youngsters to get them experience for next season. If a youngster has earned a place in Kit's roster, or even in the starting eleven, then I am all for that. If we're just starting someone to get them experience no matter what, I am against that. They are professionals. Earning a place in the team should count for something each and every game IMHO.
sounds like he thinks his job status doesnt seem secure. if it was, hed played kids.
What was stafs Instagram?
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Maybe its about time we heard from Rigg (Kits Boss)
I think the issues people (like me) have with Kit, is that he seems to make a lot of poor choices. He is not great during game time, but this may be lack of experience. He is unlikely to attract the better players a more heavyweight managers might attract (then again maybe these are not the sort of players we need). And this is the bad bit, I personally think he is not that bright !! All this may be wrong and or change.
On the plus side, he knows the Fulham 1st team and youth squads better than anyone, he is a Fulham man and has had a season of tough learning which should mean he understands what we have to do to compete for Promotion.
We are all wise after the event. If he does stay and starts next season well, we will all be behind him. Its just the question marks agains him at this moment, hugely outweigh those in his favour.
I think we need to hear from Rigg, who may at this moment be unsure himself and looking at the potential alternatives. Would Lennon / Clark or Houghton be better bets than Kit ?? Probably not.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on April 30, 2015, 04:39:33 PM
Fine by me, if Kit stays, it'll mean another season in the Championship, so if that's the Clubs ambition, then let them get on with it, I won't be renewing my season ticket. Just another quick marketing ploy to get you to renew, then announce the backing of Symon's.
Before everyone jumps on my back about this, tactically, there is no benefits of keeping him as manager. If all fails, then an experience guy will possibly deliver the same mid-table finish.
Early signs of a productive summer are looking bleak already (sigh)
That has to be one of the most negative posts, and I take on board your "on my back" comment.
I repeat a post I've made several times re Mick McCarthy ("Knows how to get out of this division")
3rd Season at Ipswich 14th, 9th and playoffs.
Why is Kit worthy of being given no chance, why is someone "who knows how to get out of the division" worthy of at least 3.
Why is summer looking bleak. No-one, not one club has started in the transfer market, Fulhams summer looks promising to me, at least we know that Kit wants to change it, not just make do and mend.
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Quote from: Wearethewhites on April 30, 2015, 04:39:33 PM
Fine by me, if Kit stays, it'll mean another season in the Championship, so if that's the Clubs ambition, then let them get on with it, I won't be renewing my season ticket. Just another quick marketing ploy to get you to renew, then announce the backing of Symon's.
Before everyone jumps on my back about this, tactically, there is no benefits of keeping him as manager. If all fails, then an experience guy will possibly deliver the same mid-table finish.
Early signs of a productive summer are looking bleak already (sigh)
That has to be one of the most negative posts, and I take on board your "on my back" comment.
I repeat a post I've made several times re Mick McCarthy ("Knows how to get out of this division")
3rd Season at Ipswich 14th, 9th and playoffs.
Why is Kit worthy of being given no chance, why is someone "who knows how to get out of the division" worthy of at least 3.
Why is summer looking bleak. No-one, not one club has started in the transfer market, Fulhams summer looks promising to me, at least we know that Kit wants to change it, not just make do and mend.
so is nearly a whole season not classed as a chance then? It's more of a chance than rene and Felix were given.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on April 30, 2015, 05:22:35 PM
Honestly, I only care what we do. Playing a relaxed game in no way prepares their squad well for the short promotion tournament that lies ahead of them.
To be clear, I was only speaking to the notion that we just play our youngsters to get them experience for next season. If a youngster has earned a place in Kit's roster, or even in the starting eleven, then I am all for that. If we're just starting someone to get them experience no matter what, I am against that. They are professionals. Earning a place in the team should count for something each and every game IMHO.
Apologies first, TMcT: I have re-read my response to your initial post; in putting forward my opinion, it was not my intention to sound critical of yours.
I do, however, respectfully disagree. I think that this weekend's match represents a developmental opportunity for the likes of Roberts, Dembele, Hyndman or whomever to gain a little of the necessary experience that will enable them to sooner earn their places in the starting XI.
That none of them are currently the most deserving player for their position in the team matters not to me. Rather, to forego the chance for them to learn; to insist that they have to be better than the player whom they would replace; to say that they cannot take part in what is, in effect, a 'dead rubber' would be short-sighted.
I'm not advocating we play eleven inexperienced youngsters. The benefits, however, of starting three or four with a view to substituting on a further two or three may well outweigh the effect that this may have upon the scoreline.
Playing youngsters just to give them experience - when it'll be 3 months before they could play again - would be pointless, to my way of thinking.
Quote from: Arthur on April 30, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on April 30, 2015, 05:22:35 PM
Honestly, I only care what we do. Playing a relaxed game in no way prepares their squad well for the short promotion tournament that lies ahead of them.
To be clear, I was only speaking to the notion that we just play our youngsters to get them experience for next season. If a youngster has earned a place in Kit's roster, or even in the starting eleven, then I am all for that. If we're just starting someone to get them experience no matter what, I am against that. They are professionals. Earning a place in the team should count for something each and every game IMHO.
Apologies first, TMcT: I have re-read my response to your initial post; in putting forward my opinion, it was not my intention to sound critical of yours.
I do, however, respectfully disagree. I think that this weekend's match represents a developmental opportunity for the likes of Roberts, Dembele, Hyndman or whomever to gain a little of the necessary experience that will enable them to sooner earn their places in the starting XI.
That none of them are currently the most deserving player for their position in the team matters not to me. Rather, to forego the chance for them to learn; to insist that they have to be better than the player whom they would replace; to say that they cannot take part in what is, in effect, a 'dead rubber' would be short-sighted.
I'm not advocating we play eleven inexperienced youngsters. The benefits, however, of starting three or four with a view to substituting on a further two or three may well outweigh the effect that this may have upon the scoreline.
its not like the players that they would replace are tearing up any trees anyway. Who wouldn't want to see Freddie replace kav for this one
Quote from: Arthur on April 30, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on April 30, 2015, 05:22:35 PM
Honestly, I only care what we do. Playing a relaxed game in no way prepares their squad well for the short promotion tournament that lies ahead of them.
To be clear, I was only speaking to the notion that we just play our youngsters to get them experience for next season. If a youngster has earned a place in Kit's roster, or even in the starting eleven, then I am all for that. If we're just starting someone to get them experience no matter what, I am against that. They are professionals. Earning a place in the team should count for something each and every game IMHO.
Apologies first, TMcT: I have re-read my response to your initial post; in putting forward my opinion, it was not my intention to sound critical of yours.
I do, however, respectfully disagree. I think that this weekend's match represents a developmental opportunity for the likes of Roberts, Dembele, Hyndman or whomever to gain a little of the necessary experience that will enable them to sooner earn their places in the starting XI.
That none of them are currently the most deserving player for their position in the team matters not to me. Rather, to forego the chance for them to learn; to insist that they have to be better than the player whom they would replace; to say that they cannot take part in what is, in effect, a 'dead rubber' would be short-sighted.
I'm not advocating we play eleven inexperienced youngsters. The benefits, however, of starting three or four with a view to substituting on a further two or three may well outweigh the effect that this may have upon the scoreline.
No offense taken. And, I can certainly respect a differing opinion. Like I said, no problem with the youngsters playing if they've put in the work and earned their minutes.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 30, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Playing youngsters just to give them experience - when it'll be 3 months before they could play again - would be pointless, to my way of thinking.
It could give some of them an indication that the club may legitimately want to use them more next season though?
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 30, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Playing youngsters just to give them experience - when it'll be 3 months before they could play again - would be pointless, to my way of thinking.
As is loanees or contracted players who we know are not coming back.
Quote from: MJG on April 30, 2015, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 30, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Playing youngsters just to give them experience - when it'll be 3 months before they could play again - would be pointless, to my way of thinking.
As is loanees or contracted players who we know are not coming back.
All depends on how one views this last game really. If it's just a game that is meaningless, I can see throwing the youngsters out there to have a 90 minute kick around. But if it means that little, then why put any of our players on to begin with? Put the want aways and those we don't care for any longer out there and protect our own from possible injury. Let them all rest and prep for next season.
On the other hand, if the game actually means something, it should be taken seriously, as should the competition for places to play in it.
Quote from: MJG on April 30, 2015, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 30, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Playing youngsters just to give them experience - when it'll be 3 months before they could play again - would be pointless, to my way of thinking.
As is loanees or contracted players who we know are not coming back.
Correct...
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 30, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Playing youngsters just to give them experience - when it'll be 3 months before they could play again - would be pointless, to my way of thinking.
I wonder whether any of the youngsters, if picked, would agree with you. I suspect not.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on April 30, 2015, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: MJG on April 30, 2015, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 30, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Playing youngsters just to give them experience - when it'll be 3 months before they could play again - would be pointless, to my way of thinking.
As is loanees or contracted players who we know are not coming back.
All depends on how one views this last game really. If it's just a game that is meaningless, I can see throwing the youngsters out there to have a 90 minute kick around. But if it means that little, then why put any of our players on to begin with? Put the want aways and those we don't care for any longer out there and protect our own from possible injury. Let them all rest and prep for next season.
On the other hand, if the game actually means something, it should be taken seriously, as should the competition for places to play in it.
define take it seriously though, is picking the players that have under performed and ended up in relegation fight taking it seriously? A wiser man than me once said (roughly) insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Quote from: Arthur on April 30, 2015, 07:35:36 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 30, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Playing youngsters just to give them experience - when it'll be 3 months before they could play again - would be pointless, to my way of thinking.
I wonder whether any of the youngsters, if picked, would agree with you. I suspect not.
i would rest Calum and betts though as they possibly have a 21s tourney in the summer
I think Kit has deserved to be in charge next season, and is right to want to put a strong team out at Norwich, with a view to a positive result.
Quote from: The Enclosurite on April 30, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
It does almost feel that we are being conditioned now into accepting the fact that Kit will be in charge next season.
I sincerely hope not!! If we are busy in the Summer transfer window, maybe I might have second thoughts, but even with a very poor and inadequate squad that we have had this season, I don't really see that he has done a good job! Sorry to all you KS converts after our lucky win last weekend!
Send some kids out and say "show me why you should be part of my plans next season". One game isn't enough I know but none is worse. Kit has stated he didn't want to dent the kids confidence in a relegation scrap but that is no longer the case. Playing loan players, unless we are planning on signing them makes little sense in my opinion.
Kit will play his strongest side ( if he knows it) in the non event norwich game for one reason only , to build up his stats and paint a rosier picture, most managers in the same position would do exactly the same.
If Kit stay's he will be even more reliant on Mr Curbishley,i would think.
Quote from: davew on April 30, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on April 30, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
It does almost feel that we are being conditioned now into accepting the fact that Kit will be in charge next season.
I sincerely hope not!! If we are busy in the Summer transfer window, maybe I might have second thoughts, but even with a very poor and inadequate squad that we have had this season, I don't really see that he has done a good job! Sorry to all you KS converts after our lucky win last weekend!
Few points of how I've seen Kits 'reign'
We've played poor football and regardless of who says he had a poor squad, he had a good enough squad to get them above mid-table. He can't turn a game on its head. When we've played we have looked clueless, we've held on against poor teams and we've scraped wins against a few of the better sides.
He can't 'go for it' and he certainly hasn't helped us defend any better. His substitutions are baffling, safe and have led to us conceding even more goals than before at times.
Each time we've gone ahead we've immediately conceded. Not much you can argue with there, is there?
Our midfield is the worst in the league, not because of whose there, but because of where they are ie the whole lot of them completely out of position or not complimented by the player next to them out of position or asked to do the wrong job. The formation suits NONE of our players.
He has been stubborn by forcing talented players like David (He was more than willing to play for us before someone suggests he had a bad attitude, couldn't be bothered etc) and Smith out of the club as well as Eisfeld who hadn't been given a chance.
He has been stubborn in his team formation and selection overall. Same players, same formation.Predictable.
He has proved he can't get the quality of players in that other managers can, as he ended up loaning bench players from other clubs in our league. He says he had cash but went for the option of loans...seems like he couldn't get his targets and had to settle for others on loan.
Tactically he's so far off the pace it is frightening and if I was in charge I'd even be concerned about how well he developed the Under 21's should he go back.
He hasn't even given another formation, with players in the right position, a chance. Kaca left, Chihi / Roberts right. Even if Chihi was pants, he had a very good and eager young winger waiting to play.
The youth he has selected to represent us he has put under more pressure by playing out of position or way to early. Main culprit being Kavanagh, he has been woeful then he was out of position and now he looks even worse.
I fear for us should we keep him and I think we'll be back searching for a new manager come September if he is left in charge.
Quote from: Northern Cottager on April 30, 2015, 08:55:17 PM
Quote from: davew on April 30, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on April 30, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
It does almost feel that we are being conditioned now into accepting the fact that Kit will be in charge next season.
I sincerely hope not!! If we are busy in the Summer transfer window, maybe I might have second thoughts, but even with a very poor and inadequate squad that we have had this season, I don't really see that he has done a good job! Sorry to all you KS converts after our lucky win last weekend!
Few points of how I've seen Kits 'reign'
We've played poor football and regardless of who says he had a poor squad, he had a good enough squad to get them above mid-table. He can't turn a game on its head. When we've played we have looked clueless, we've held on against poor teams and we've scraped wins against a few of the better sides.
He can't 'go for it' and he certainly hasn't helped us defend any better. His substitutions are baffling, safe and have led to us conceding even more goals than before at times.
Each time we've gone ahead we've immediately conceded. Not much you can argue with there, is there?
Our midfield is the worst in the league, not because of whose there, but because of where they are ie the whole lot of them completely out of position or not complimented by the player next to them out of position or asked to do the wrong job. The formation suits NONE of our players.
He has been stubborn by forcing talented players like David (He was more than willing to play for us before someone suggests he had a bad attitude, couldn't be bothered etc) and Smith out of the club as well as Eisfeld who hadn't been given a chance.
He has been stubborn in his team formation and selection overall. Same players, same formation.Predictable.
He has proved he can't get the quality of players in that other managers can, as he ended up loaning bench players from other clubs in our league. He says he had cash but went for the option of loans...seems like he couldn't get his targets and had to settle for others on loan.
Tactically he's so far off the pace it is frightening and if I was in charge I'd even be concerned about how well he developed the Under 21's should he go back.
He hasn't even given another formation, with players in the right position, a chance. Kaca left, Chihi / Roberts right. Even if Chihi was pants, he had a very good and eager young winger waiting to play.
The youth he has selected to represent us he has put under more pressure by playing out of position or way to early. Main culprit being Kavanagh, he has been woeful then he was out of position and now he looks even worse.
I fear for us should we keep him and I think we'll be back searching for a new manager come September if he is left in charge.
Cant argue with most of what you say...
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on April 30, 2015, 09:02:52 PM
Quote from: Northern Cottager on April 30, 2015, 08:55:17 PM
Quote from: davew on April 30, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on April 30, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
It does almost feel that we are being conditioned now into accepting the fact that Kit will be in charge next season.
I sincerely hope not!! If we are busy in the Summer transfer window, maybe I might have second thoughts, but even with a very poor and inadequate squad that we have had this season, I don't really see that he has done a good job! Sorry to all you KS converts after our lucky win last weekend!
Few points of how I've seen Kits 'reign'
We've played poor football and regardless of who says he had a poor squad, he had a good enough squad to get them above mid-table. He can't turn a game on its head. When we've played we have looked clueless, we've held on against poor teams and we've scraped wins against a few of the better sides.
He can't 'go for it' and he certainly hasn't helped us defend any better. His substitutions are baffling, safe and have led to us conceding even more goals than before at times.
Each time we've gone ahead we've immediately conceded. Not much you can argue with there, is there?
Our midfield is the worst in the league, not because of whose there, but because of where they are ie the whole lot of them completely out of position or not complimented by the player next to them out of position or asked to do the wrong job. The formation suits NONE of our players.
He has been stubborn by forcing talented players like David (He was more than willing to play for us before someone suggests he had a bad attitude, couldn't be bothered etc) and Smith out of the club as well as Eisfeld who hadn't been given a chance.
He has been stubborn in his team formation and selection overall. Same players, same formation.Predictable.
He has proved he can't get the quality of players in that other managers can, as he ended up loaning bench players from other clubs in our league. He says he had cash but went for the option of loans...seems like he couldn't get his targets and had to settle for others on loan.
Tactically he's so far off the pace it is frightening and if I was in charge I'd even be concerned about how well he developed the Under 21's should he go back.
He hasn't even given another formation, with players in the right position, a chance. Kaca left, Chihi / Roberts right. Even if Chihi was pants, he had a very good and eager young winger waiting to play.
The youth he has selected to represent us he has put under more pressure by playing out of position or way to early. Main culprit being Kavanagh, he has been woeful then he was out of position and now he looks even worse.
I fear for us should we keep him and I think we'll be back searching for a new manager come September if he is left in charge.
Cant argue with most of what you say...
Me neither. We really haven't been convincing for more than 4-5 games out of 38. If Rigg is in complete control of signings then I suppose giving kit a go isn't going to leave us with his players but you would have thought we could get a better replacement in the off season than mid.
I will stand up and say that if push came to shove, I would rather not have Kit in charge next season. I do not believe he has the technical ability to change games, know his best team, play people in their best positions or motivate players.
A lot of people on another thread have said that they think Kit should be given until Christmas. So if the club do keep him on and come Christmas we are no better, then that will be another season wasted.
I am in the Big Sam camp, but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinions and whatever happens some people will be happy while others will be upset.
Who knows, Kit might stay and this time next season we might be looking at promotion! Now where is my medicine?
COYW
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on April 30, 2015, 09:49:41 PM
I will stand up and say that if push came to shove, I would rather not have Kit in charge next season. I do not believe he has the technical ability to change games, know his best team, play people in their best positions or motivate players.
A lot of people on another thread have said that they think Kit should be given until Christmas. So if the club do keep him on and come Christmas we are no better, then that will be another season wasted.
I am in the Big Sam camp, but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinions and whatever happens some people will be happy while others will be upset.
Who knows, Kit might stay and this time next season we might be looking at promotion! Now where is my medicine?
COYW
Who do you want to be in charge at the start of the 15/16 season?Kit Symons - 24 (17.9%)
Mark Warburton - 25 (18.7%)
Sam Allardyce - 58 (43.3%)
Steve Bruce - 2 (1.5%)
Mick McCarthy - 5 (3.7%)
Alan Curbishley - 2 (1.5%)
Other - 18 (13.4%)
Total Voters: 134
You're not alone Tup North
Another wasted season coming up
Delighted that KS is going to be given a proper chance at managing for his first season in 2015/16 - better than being this season' patsy whilst inheriting a sinking ship - why don't we all try supporting him instead of posting continual and {mostly} unjustified criticism ??
So the revisionism has begun. Gary Rowett took over a complete basket case in Birmingham and managed to improve them over the season. Kit is useless.
Quote from: Baszab on April 30, 2015, 10:25:57 PM
Delighted that KS is going to be given a proper chance at managing for his first season in 2015/16 - better than being this season' patsy whilst inheriting a sinking ship - why don't we all try supporting him instead of posting continual and {mostly} unjustified criticism ??
Unjustfied criticism isn't an appropriate term here surely?
Personally i am undecided on Kit for next season, but I do think he did well to steady the ship and move us forward. Major blip in the middle of his tenure so far, but towards the end of the season he has had 3 wins, 3 draws and a loss in the last 7 and unbeaten in 5 of those with 2 straight wins.
Yes I have moaned about some performances but we all do that no matter who is in charge, some even moan when we are winning for christs sake.
If the powers that be decided to keep him then my 100% support will be there, they will need to back him in the market (as they would need to back any manager coming in), he did have money in January and didnt spend it that surprised me however I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on that if he stays.
Above all it is always COYW
Quote from: Baszab on April 30, 2015, 10:25:57 PM
Delighted that KS is going to be given a proper chance at managing for his first season in 2015/16 - better than being this season' patsy whilst inheriting a sinking ship - why don't we all try supporting him instead of posting continual and {mostly} unjustified criticism ??
actually, do we know for sure he is confirmed for next season... everything I have seen is speculation.
Kit's interview on line suggests he believes he is next season's manager but I thought the owner's comments in the last programme were a little ambiguous in that he was looking forward to next season and had confidence that with rigg in place we would do well..... but I am not sure he mentioned our manager, and that i thought spoke volumes.
If left in place, kit has to hit the ground running next season and we need to get off to a flyer OR play some scintilating football.....
If a change is happening it needs to be quick, if not I think the board should confirm in no uncertain terms that kit is our man.
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It does almost feel that we are being conditioned now into accepting the fact that Kit will be in charge next season.
I sincerely hope not!! If we are busy in the Summer transfer window, maybe I might have second thoughts, but even with a very poor and inadequate squad that we have had this season, I don't really see that he has done a good job! Sorry to all you KS converts after our lucky win last weekend!
Few points of how I've seen Kits 'reign'
We've played poor football and regardless of who says he had a poor squad, he had a good enough squad to get them above mid-table. He can't turn a game on its head. When we've played we have looked clueless, we've held on against poor teams and we've scraped wins against a few of the better sides.
He can't 'go for it' and he certainly hasn't helped us defend any better. His substitutions are baffling, safe and have led to us conceding even more goals than before at times.
Each time we've gone ahead we've immediately conceded. Not much you can argue with there, is there?
Our midfield is the worst in the league, not because of whose there, but because of where they are ie the whole lot of them completely out of position or not complimented by the player next to them out of position or asked to do the wrong job. The formation suits NONE of our players.
He has been stubborn by forcing talented players like David (He was more than willing to play for us before someone suggests he had a bad attitude, couldn't be bothered etc) and Smith out of the club as well as Eisfeld who hadn't been given a chance.
He has been stubborn in his team formation and selection overall. Same players, same formation.Predictable.
He has proved he can't get the quality of players in that other managers can, as he ended up loaning bench players from other clubs in our league. He says he had cash but went for the option of loans...seems like he couldn't get his targets and had to settle for others on loan.
Tactically he's so far off the pace it is frightening and if I was in charge I'd even be concerned about how well he developed the Under 21's should he go back.
He hasn't even given another formation, with players in the right position, a chance. Kaca left, Chihi / Roberts right. Even if Chihi was pants, he had a very good and eager young winger waiting to play.
The youth he has selected to represent us he has put under more pressure by playing out of position or way to early. Main culprit being Kavanagh, he has been woeful then he was out of position and now he looks even worse.
I fear for us should we keep him and I think we'll be back searching for a new manager come September if he is left in charge.
Cant argue with most of what you say...
Me neither. We really haven't been convincing for more than 4-5 games out of 38. If Rigg is in complete control of signings then I suppose giving kit a go isn't going to leave us with his players but you would have thought we could get a better replacement in the off season than mid.
The vast majority of fans, me included also agree with this, so why would Rigg not look for a replacement ? My guess is that he is looking at serious upgrades to Kit like maybe Big Sam or McCarthy, but unless they become available or are willing to move, we will keep Kit. This actually seems a reasonable position. What Rigg must do however is have all this sorted out before the close season ends and if possibe very soon after this season ends. We need a massive re-build and the new manager needs to be in place to oversee this, especially if next season we are serious about promotion. Then agan - look at Watford - oh well !!
Quote from: Baszab on April 30, 2015, 10:25:57 PM
Delighted that KS is going to be given a proper chance at managing for his first season in 2015/16 - better than being this season' patsy whilst inheriting a sinking ship - why don't we all try supporting him instead of posting continual and {mostly} unjustified criticism ??
It is absolutely not unjustified though. Look at the games. We have picked up many points where undeserved because we have players like McCormack who are top notch in this league. The managers influence has been very suspect in most areas.
we have also lost or drawn some games which we have not deserved too as well, people tend to forget that, i think they say thats football for you
Quote from: Ordar on April 30, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
I didnt slag off Symons in my post. I was quoting what was said in the press conference. I merely said I was worried he was going to stay. Quite clearly he is tactically inept. It doesnt make him a bad person and I appreciate what he has done for the club, it doesnt make him a good manager.
Putting out loan signings and players who are going to leave again for the final game of the season is ridiculous. Its extremely likely that only 4 or 5 of the players that start at the weekend will be starting the first game next year.
If the younger players cant get game time in such a relatively meaningless game for us, when are they going to play?!
Why is he quite clearly tactically inept? And no I am not annoyed.
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Quote from: Baszab on April 30, 2015, 10:25:57 PM
Delighted that KS is going to be given a proper chance at managing for his first season in 2015/16 - better than being this season' patsy whilst inheriting a sinking ship - why don't we all try supporting him instead of posting continual and {mostly} unjustified criticism ??
It is absolutely not unjustified though. Look at the games. We have picked up many points where undeserved because we have players like McCormack who are top notch in this league. The managers influence has been very suspect in most areas.
So if we have picked up points that are undeserved the table lies at the end of the season does it?
