With the wholly unfair restrictions of the so-called Financial Fair Play rules being relaxed, Fulham being owned by a multi-billionaire American owner should have substantial 'muscle' to bring in many of the best players one can attract to an aspiring Championship side, yet all I see so far are two players brought in on a "free".
Some of the names mentioned on this forum sounded very promising (I can't remember the thread was a few weeks ago), including some highly rated central defenders which, after watching last season's defending, we badly are in need of. According to the remarks, Fulham approached the clubs with offers in the region of £2.5million only to be rebuffed - again I have no knowledge whether these reports were true. But if true, surely we have got to improve our offers and the man in charge of the negotiating is Alistair Mackintosh as he admitted in his last press conference.
Yet to date Fulham have only acquired two "freebies", hardly the sort of statement made of an incredibly wealthy club. In fact, it reminds me of last season when every fan was calling out for transfer activity in the January window, and Ali Mack did NOTHING (Rigg, upon his appointment, brought in a few out-of-contract signings after the window had closed).
So I ask the question again; does Fulham have a WARCHEST, if so, is it enough to take us back into the Premier League? If so, is Ali Mack ruining the club again with his penny-pinching to justify his already besmirched position? I do not wish to further vilify the man if the fault is not with him.
If we do not have what one would call a warchest, why not Chairman Khan??? 051
They're being relaxed - marginally - not done away with.
So SK will still not be able to overspend
I believe the sale of Roberts will fund this summers transfer activity. Not that I'm surprised though, Khan said we'll be self sufficient moving forward.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2015, 12:31:34 PM
I believe the sale of Roberts will fund this summers transfer activity. Not that I'm surprised though, Khan said we'll be self sufficient moving forward.
It is a balancing act between fees paid for players and salaries.
So getting rid of the high earners and selling high value none-productive players will give more space for manoeuvre
The reality is that if we are going to get out of the Championship we need players who can make a difference now and it makes no sense to keep all of the "family silver" if it means staying in the Championship
Quote from: Roberty on June 29, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
They're being relaxed - marginally - not done away with.
So SK will still not be able to overspend
Yet Manchester City can spend
£50million on one overrated Raheem Sterling, and that would be one of many signings,
Chelsea can buy every teenager for millions to prevent any other club from having them, but Fulham cannot??
I do not believe that for one second.
Cairney at £2.3m-£3.5m is actually a relatively expensive signing in this league.
Quote from: SKSW6 on June 29, 2015, 12:44:48 PM
Cairney at £2.3m-£3.5m is actually a relatively expensive signing in this league.
I missed that one, the only Cairney I've heard of runs the Bank of England. Who is he?
Just Googled it. Not bad, but we need more of that please.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 29, 2015, 12:52:51 PM
Quote from: SKSW6 on June 29, 2015, 12:44:48 PM
Cairney at £2.3m-£3.5m is actually a relatively expensive signing in this league.
I missed that one, the only Cairney I've heard of runs the Bank of England. Who is he?
Just Googled it. Not bad, but we need more of that please.
So you posted without knowledge of the full facts? Par for the course I guess.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 29, 2015, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: Roberty on June 29, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
They're being relaxed - marginally - not done away with.
So SK will still not be able to overspend
Yet Manchester City can spend £50million on one overrated Raheem Sterling, and that would be one of many signings, Chelsea can buy every teenager for millions to prevent any other club from having them, but Fulham cannot??
I do not believe that for one second.
You might "know your footy" but you obviously have not read the
Championship Financial Fair Play rules
Regrettably we were relegated, so were not in the Premier League any more and the Premier League FFP rules do not apply to us
Maybe you should read the rules before you slag off the owner and the club?
Oh here we go again.
A fan who slags off the CEO and owner about not spending money but then misses the fact that we spent over £3m last week on a player.
And also forgets there are restrictions to what we can spend, so it matter not a jot that the owner is rich.
This is a typical Bateman thread. Lack of research and insufficient knowledge of The beautiful game. However, he knows his footie.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS12p0Zqlt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS12p0Zqlt0)<
Association Football? Are you sure?
I always thought we were playing "blow football" - being "long-winded" I was always good at that
I would say 3 million for Cairney is a show that we will spend and have funds. For a squad that needs to bring in 6-10 players, 3 million on one player is ambitious in my opinion. I think we will bring in two more or so in the 2-4 million area, giving us three marquee signings for 6-11 million. Coupled with the free transfers of Pringle and the keeper and likely another one or two freebies that will be our window. I have no issue with a window that brings us:
Cairney
Pringle
Lonergan
CB to be named
LB to be named
Jazz
Resign Pat or a new RM to be named
Creative Attacker to be named
possible additionals depending on Ruiz, Mitro, Amorbe departures and what revenue that brings
From what I understand in my (very restricted) knowledge of FFP, the basis appears to be that you can spend as much as you like, just as long as the books balance within the FFP framework.
Ergo, you sell a player for 50 Mill, you can buy 5 at 10 Mill apiece and that provides a zero sum balance. Thus, if there is a debit limit of, perhaps, 8Mill on the balance sheet, then if you sell a player for 50 Mill, you can but 5 players at 10 Mill apiece and another at 8 Mill. Is that (ignoring the matchday income, etc) about the long and short of it all then?
Quote from: Logicalman on June 29, 2015, 02:55:57 PM
From what I understand in my (very restricted) knowledge of FFP, the basis appears to be that you can spend as much as you like, just as long as the books balance within the FFP framework.
Ergo, you sell a player for 50 Mill, you can buy 5 at 10 Mill apiece and that provides a zero sum balance. Thus, if there is a debit limit of, perhaps, 8Mill on the balance sheet, then if you sell a player for 50 Mill, you can but 5 players at 10 Mill apiece and another at 8 Mill. Is that (ignoring the matchday income, etc) about the long and short of it all then?
At a very basic level yes. but like anything its not quite that simple, because you have to take wages into account as well and other running costs.
We could, as the rules stand today, show a loss of £13m for the 2015/16 season and be within FFP
I have a new philosophy regarding FFC. If I really want to know what's going on, I should ignore wind-bagging and pontiuspilatificating and just follow MJG's posts. His thumb and forefinger seem to be well and truly connected. Plus he seems quite economical with words.
Nogood "less verballacking, isit" Boyo
Quote from: McBride78 on June 29, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
I would say 3 million for Cairney is a show that we will spend and have funds. For a squad that needs to bring in 6-10 players, 3 million on one player is ambitious in my opinion. I think we will bring in two more or so in the 2-4 million area, giving us three marquee signings for 6-11 million. Coupled with the free transfers of Pringle and the keeper and likely another one or two freebies that will be our window. I have no issue with a window that brings us:
Cairney
Pringle
Lonergan
CB to be named
LB to be named
Jazz
Resign Pat or a new RM to be named
Creative Attacker to be named
possible additionals depending on Ruiz, Mitro, Amorbe departures and what revenue that brings
Andy Lonegan? Wasn't he the chap who sung "My Old Man's A Dustman!"? Peabody would know that one.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 29, 2015, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: McBride78 on June 29, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
I would say 3 million for Cairney is a show that we will spend and have funds. For a squad that needs to bring in 6-10 players, 3 million on one player is ambitious in my opinion. I think we will bring in two more or so in the 2-4 million area, giving us three marquee signings for 6-11 million. Coupled with the free transfers of Pringle and the keeper and likely another one or two freebies that will be our window. I have no issue with a window that brings us:
Cairney
Pringle
Lonergan
CB to be named
LB to be named
Jazz
Resign Pat or a new RM to be named
Creative Attacker to be named
possible additionals depending on Ruiz, Mitro, Amorbe departures and what revenue that brings
Andy Lonegan? Wasn't he the chap who sung "My Old Man's A Dustman!"? Peabody would know that one.
Unlike you Nick, yes I do.
And furthermore, the reason why the FFP is being relaxed right across UEFA is because Manchester City and Paris St.Germain were about to challenge it under European law, on which basis UEFA would have LOST.
Fulham can equally challenge any such bastardized mutation imposed by Gordon Taylor under EU law and get this monstrosity masquerading as equitable regulation when in fact it is unjustifiable bureaucracy, completely thrown out!!
Gordon Taylor?
The PFA are in cahoots with the FL, in my view, Taylor is virtually in bed with Greg Clarke, chairman of said unlawfully inept organisation.
NB: I should have elaborated this in my earlier posting so to one "not on the same wave-length" as I, it may have appeared odd to refer to Gordon Taylor. Just to clear that misunderstanding up!
So many mistakes in so few posts today, even for yourself.
Don't miss the crux of my post on minor details....
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2015, 12:31:34 PM
I believe the sale of Roberts will fund this summers transfer activity. Not that I'm surprised though, Khan said we'll be self sufficient moving forward.
From his body language in those training photos he looks as if he is halfway out the back door already.
Would've absolutely loved to see him perform in a successful Fulham team but if his agent has indicated he will not extend his contract we must take him to auction.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 29, 2015, 06:36:56 PM
The PFA are in cahoots with the FL, in my view, Taylor is virtually in bed with Greg Clarke, chairman of said unlawfully inept organisation.
NB: I should have elaborated this in my earlier posting so to one "not on the same wave-length" as I, it may have appeared odd to refer to Gordon Taylor. Just to clear that misunderstanding up!
Who is Greg Clarke I thought It was Greg Dyke? Have I got it wrong and missed another change?
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 29, 2015, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on June 29, 2015, 12:31:34 PM
I believe the sale of Roberts will fund this summers transfer activity. Not that I'm surprised though, Khan said we'll be self sufficient moving forward.
From his body language in those training photos he looks as if he is halfway out the back door already.
Would've absolutely loved to see him perform in a successful Fulham team but if his agent has indicated he will not extend his contract we must take him to auction.
His body language in a few photos.
Cmon now, that's a bit much isn't it?!
How on earth can you read his body language from a few still images?!
To be fair, Nick, I don't think you attacked the owner. I agree with much of what you wrote, though your introduction of topic was a bit incendiary. Look at all the abuse you take based on style points. I like reading most of your posts as they contain interesting nuggets. But it looks like board members are predisposed to jump on your back for throwing up too many flames in past threads. I, too, think FFP as it applies to FFC right now --in the the Championship--is in a state of flux. I'd like to see one or two attention-getting signings of highly respected players of EPL experience and quality. Would show we mean business about getting back up. And would encourage others we might want to give us a serious consideration. Show pony signings. Am I alone in thinking this way?
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on June 29, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
I have a new philosophy regarding FFC. If I really want to know what's going on, I should ignore wind-bagging and pontiuspilatificating and just follow MJG's posts. His thumb and forefinger seem to be well and truly connected. Plus he seems quite economical with words.
Nogood "less verballacking, isit" Boyo
You speak the truth, Kimosabe
Quote from: HatterDon on June 30, 2015, 01:49:20 AM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on June 29, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
I have a new philosophy regarding FFC. If I really want to know what's going on, I should ignore wind-bagging and pontiuspilatificating and just follow MJG's posts. His thumb and forefinger seem to be well and truly connected. Plus he seems quite economical with words.
Nogood "less verballacking, isit" Boyo
You speak the truth, Kimosabe
It's Nogood - Goosing the Gander isit - Boyo lol.
I'm glad the pre-season is starting if it means No good, Hatter and Blingo are posting more. Brings a smile to my face reading your comments
talking of ffp, what ever happened to qpr and the 60m fine they where due to get, gone very quiet, looking like you can spend spend spend
It's currently sitting with both parties and the law firms, so expect it to drag out till November. Partly why they are moving quickly in case anything happens earlier.
There isn't a court in any quantum universe that would have agreed to fine QPR £60million because they spent their own money!!?? And the Football League are supposed to protect clubs from going bankrupt!
I am serious that Fulham should also oppose the legistlators of the FFP in the FL and make them amend their interpretation of UEFA's recently revised dictate. Platini backed down as he knew what UEFA were doing was contrary to European Law.
They regarded Manchester City & Paris SG as 'small' clubs, as they feel Fulham are relatively with the FL, and would not allow them to financially compete for players as Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barca, Arsenal (yes Arsenal) and others were deemed - it is a wholly corrupt and lurid method to keep the status quo at the top (and some people complain about Sepp Blatter)!!
And Fulham still have the parachute payment of around £30million pa with one more season to go. That's £60 MILLION more than most of the other Championship clubs have incoming.
Surely even under the most frugal, misery and draconian fiscal provisioning, Fulham can use the might of the AMERICAN DOLLAR in Khan and spend our way out of a crisis, that being, stuck in this miserable league full of Northerners with half-developed grounds, where the men's urinal is merely a WALL on a slope!!
Come on Khan and Ali Mack, get your proverbial finger's out and start the revolution we all want!
The Championship FFP has nothing to do with either the Premier League FFP or EUFA FFP, each make their own rules
As I understand it we receive £60m over FOUR years and £15m does not go very far in this business
The jury is still out on the QPR overspend and the ultimate punishment is a visit to none-league football if they refuse to pay any penalty. If they can convince the Football League that their financial manipulation was within the rules I would expect us and all of the other clubs with wealth owners to follow suit
One small point - do you ever have anything good to say about our club, it's owner and the management?
More rubbish, do some research on the parachute payments and come back then.
Actually I know you won't so here it is
£24m in the first year back in the Championship, £19.2m in year two, £9.6m in year three and another £9.6m in the final year
Quote from: Roberty on June 30, 2015, 05:55:09 PM
One small point - do you ever have anything good to say about our club, it's owner and the management?
I said nothing against Khan nor
even Ali Mack in my last post, but in the position Fulham are in, coming from the luxurious opulent scenario we revelled in the top division, it is hard to accept being reduced to this lower tier and not doing very well in it.
When things are going swimmingly the praise will gush from every orifice and it is the same with most genuine expectant fans and pre-season Fulham do not need compacency now, or it will be another year delayed to our return. Abramovich is laughing while he dominates our neighbourhood for support and I want Khan and our admin to put things right to wipe the Cossack smirk off that oligarch's face!
"Surely even under the most frugal, misery and draconian fiscal provisioning, Fulham can use the might of the AMERICAN DOLLAR in Khan and spend our way out of a crisis, that being, stuck in this miserable league full of Northerners with half-developed grounds, where the men's urinal is merely a WALL on a slope!"
Isn't one being just a little parochial old chap?
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2015, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: Roberty on June 30, 2015, 05:55:09 PM
One small point - do you ever have anything good to say about our club, it's owner and the management?
I said nothing against Khan nor even Ali Mack in my last post, but in the position Fulham are in, coming from the luxurious opulent scenario we revelled in the top division, it is hard to accept being reduced to this lower tier and not doing very well in it.
When things are going swimmingly the praise will gush from every orifice and it is the same with most genuine expectant fans and pre-season Fulham do not need compacency now, or it will be another year delayed to our return. Abramovich is laughing while he dominates our neighbourhood for support and I want Khan and our admin to put things right to wipe the Cossack smirk off that oligarch's face!
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I doubt if the Chelsea Chairman gives Fulham FC a seconds thought, why would he. We are not in a position to go toe to toe with Chelsea or their Chairman.
Brentford achieved the double over us last season. That's where we are, and until we can get our pride back, and the club has to earn that, and until we can visit the Griffin Parks and come away with maximum points, you cannot unfortunately mention Fulham and Chelsea in the same breath, and that no longer bothers me.
We have to rebuild from the ruins of the last 2/3 seasons, and get the best and most out of our thriving Academy, and be shrewd in the Transfer market, take a step at a time, I am happy with that providing the right structure is in place, including the Manager, and we are seen to make progress, on and off the pitch, both can run in accordance with each other, if you have the right staff, in the right positions. Too much energy can be wasted in worrying about the likes of Chelsea and QPR. They don't bother me. I just want Fulham and England to be successful.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2015, 05:36:44 PM
There isn't a court in any quantum universe that would have agreed to fine QPR £60million because they spent their own money!!?? And the Football League are supposed to protect clubs from going bankrupt!
I am serious that Fulham should also oppose the legistlators of the FFP in the FL and make them amend their interpretation of UEFA's recently revised dictate. Platini backed down as he knew what UEFA were doing was contrary to European Law.
They regarded Manchester City & Paris SG as 'small' clubs, as they feel Fulham are relatively with the FL, and would not allow them to financially compete for players as Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barca, Arsenal (yes Arsenal) and others were deemed - it is a wholly corrupt and lurid method to keep the status quo at the top (and some people complain about Sepp Blatter)!!
And Fulham still have the parachute payment of around £30million pa with one more season to go. That's £60 MILLION more than most of the other Championship clubs have incoming.
Surely even under the most frugal, misery and draconian fiscal provisioning, Fulham can use the might of the AMERICAN DOLLAR in Khan and spend our way out of a crisis, that being, stuck in this miserable league full of Northerners with half-developed grounds, where the men's urinal is merely a WALL on a slope!!
Come on Khan and Ali Mack, get your proverbial finger's out and start the revolution we all want!
That War Chest you mentioned Nick as the title of this thread, should be entitled 15 Men on a Dead Mans Chest.
Let's face it Nick, you know nothing about this subject, you throw something in the air and hope that we all bite and God help us, we do.
It's rather funny that we have done more business this early in the window then I can remember and yet people are still speculating whether we will actually spend any money.... Many many things our club has done wrong in the past few years but this window isn't one of them.
. I fully expect us to get jazz for very little a left back in on loan and spend money on a centre back or two and maybe even another defensive midfielder.
Don't see us spending money on a forward or a winger as I suspect the only way kit can persuade Dembele and Roberts to stay is give them lots and lots of game time
Quote from: Peabody on July 01, 2015, 07:20:24 AM
Let's face it Nick, you know nothing about this subject, you throw something in the air and hope that we all bite and God help us, we do.
We?
I have often pointed out that Master Bateman only posts to go fishing, he isn't even particularly subtle about it either. Aside from occasionally hijacking one of his threads and moving it onto more productive subjects, such as the rate that paint dries, I find it easy to ignore him.
