Apperently not happening. Wouldn't have been disappointed with him but can't say I'm disappointed without.
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on June 30, 2015, 08:23:40 PM
Apperently not happening. Wouldn't have been disappointed with him but can't say I'm disappointed without.
That's how I feel.
Hopefully can replicate his perforperformance for Wales and not the dozen or so drab games he played for us
Sky Sports now reporting he'll be in for a medical tomorrow (615980634192785408[/tweet]] (//%5Btweet)[/url]).
It'd be a little disappointing had I not seen his performance against Belgium, he looked a completely different player (http://hammyend.com/index.php/2015/06/reassessing-jazz-richards/ (http://hammyend.com/index.php/2015/06/reassessing-jazz-richards/)).
To save me waffling, read what I wrote about Richards after that Belgium game in the link above.
The formation didn't help him last year at all, but still not sold on him
I said it on Twitter we had a dozen games of him and then he plays one good international game and all of a sudden people are sold on him.
All he is is another body, won't offer anything we don't already have.
And I watched him on the left at Norwich and was dreadful.
Quote from: MJG on June 30, 2015, 09:54:56 PM
I said it on Twitter we had a dozen games of him and then he plays one good international game and all of a sudden people are sold on him.
All he is is another body, won't offer anything we don't already have.
And I watched him on the left at Norwich and was dreadful.
It does show he has the potential though (I'm not saying he's a good signing by any stretch)
@SkySportsAmy: Sources: Swansea right back Jazz Richards to have medical at Fulham tomorrow ahead of permanent move there.
Every player can have a bad game. Form is temporary as well. Given a chance we may see a different player next season
Played very well defensively fro Swansea against Arsenal last month then followed it up with that excellent performance in the International. Obviously more to him than he showed us last season.
We all slagged off Chris Baird after his first twelve (or so) games.
Give Jazz time.
I tried giving Jazz time but it's all just noise in the end.
Sorry maybe I was wrong. Quoted vital who said there was no contact between the clubs and crystal palace and Aston villa were interested among four championship teams. I think he could do very well for us but I'd be stupid to say he played better than most our uncountable left backs last season. Sorry if my post was misleading, which it appears to be. Only mentioned in good faith.
Quote from: MJG on June 30, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
I tried giving Jazz time but it's all just noise in the end.
You need to loosen the hips and feel the sax.
Jazz isnt dead, it just smells funny
Quote from: YoungsBitter on June 30, 2015, 11:16:17 PM
Jazz isnt dead, it just smells funny
So jazz is funky?
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on June 30, 2015, 11:01:47 PM
Sorry maybe I was wrong. Quoted vital who said there was no contact between the clubs and crystal palace and Aston villa were interested among four championship teams. I think he could do very well for us but I'd be stupid to say he played better than most our uncountable left backs last season. Sorry if my post was misleading, which it appears to be. Only mentioned in good faith.
I shall forgive you, but you will still be hearing from my Solicitors in due course.
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Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on June 30, 2015, 11:01:47 PM
Sorry maybe I was wrong. Quoted vital who said there was no contact between the clubs and crystal palace and Aston villa were interested among four championship teams. I think he could do very well for us but I'd be stupid to say he played better than most our uncountable left backs last season. Sorry if my post was misleading, which it appears to be. Only mentioned in good faith.
I shall forgive you, but you will still be hearing from my Solicitors in due course.
I would be offended if I didn't. The woolly mammoths legal team got him out of extinction, I stand little chance
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If he signed for us over PL teams he wants to be here. What is not to like about that.
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Quote from: MJG on June 30, 2015, 09:54:56 PM
I said it on Twitter we had a dozen games of him and then he plays one good international game and all of a sudden people are sold on him.
All he is is another body, won't offer anything we don't already have.
And I watched him on the left at Norwich and was dreadful.
It does show he has the potential though (I'm not saying he's a good signing by any stretch)
two words, titi camara.
He's young, British, cheap, recently impressed on the international stage against Belgium and is reportedly attracting Premier League interest from a number of clubs, by all accounts this should be a transfer we're all going wild for!
Say what you will about Jazz, but - if he does join - he's helping fill cover for both RB and LB (positions we're dangerously short in) and isn't costing us too much either. During his time on loan we played in a formation that overly exposed the fullbacks, so I personally feel judging that him too harshly for (some admittedly average) performances seems a tad unfair.
Feel sorry for him already. He will be the number 1 boo boy no matter what he does.
Jazz always used to be very good at The Bulls Head in Barnes on a Sunday lunchtime when Tony Lee was on the piano
Well, Kit has seen him play a dozen games for us plus a few internationals for Wales so I imagine there is no risk involved.
Let us have faith in Kit's judgement and hope that with a new centre and left back Jazz will be part of a solid back four.
After reading all of this I've got the blues.
I think he is going to be a great addition and will have a terrific season. Not nearly as bad as people make out and I am delighted he is coming.
Where would we be without the internet to keep us fully informed and up to speed on all transfer occurances? In the old days we would have to wait until the Evening Standard announced it...probably a week after the bloke had made his debut.
Now we all know instantly that Jazz is about to play for Crystal Palace, Norwich, QPR, Aston Villa, Derby, West Ham and Besiktas (I may have got the last one wrong) possibly in rotation.
We are at the same time informed that he is undergoing a medical at Fulham in case his health has deteriorated since last he played for us about a month ago, presumably to see if he is fit enough to endure the marathon tour of football clubs he seems to have planned.
Quote from: cmg on July 01, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Where would we be without the internet to keep us fully informed and up to speed on all transfer occurances? In the old days we would have to wait until the Evening Standard announced it...probably a week after the bloke had made his debut.
Now we all know instantly that Jazz is about to play for Crystal Palace, Norwich, QPR, Aston Villa, Derby, West Ham and Besiktas (I may have got the last one wrong) possibly in rotation.
We are at the same time informed that he is undergoing a medical at Fulham in case his health has deteriorated since last he played for us about a month ago, presumably to see if he is fit enough to endure the marathon tour of football clubs he seems to have planned.
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Sorry but I have to say this. He played for us during last season, some of us were impressed and others not so.
To those who were not impressed, what do you want? We certainly are not going to sign Nathan Clyne, if Jazz signs, to me, the signing will be a more than adequate player for our right/left back positions, something most on here have been clamouring for.
See how he plays outside of a diamond formation. I felt he wasn't supported much with last season's formation. I agree, he wasn't anything to shout about but he has the potential.
Can he kick with his left foot ? Is he really an option at left back. Kit played him left back a few times last season surely only out of desperation !"
I don't think I would be unhappy with him signing but the club have had a fair amount of time to scout him in person within our own set up so should have an almost perfect idea of whether he is the right signing or not.
It should not be a 'we can't find a right back so he will be better than nothing' type signing.
If he does sign and underperforms then I would seriously ask questions about our talent identification process but perhaps he will be a strong player for us.
So, if this happens, presumably it will have been signed off by both Kit and Rigg.
I suspect the blame attribution won't be equally applied however.
And if he does perform as he did for Wales how will credit be attributed . (Anyone who can handle Hazard is good enough for me )
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Quote from: Wimbledon_White on July 01, 2015, 12:08:24 PM
So, if this happens, presumably it will have been signed off by both Kit and Rigg.
I suspect the blame attribution won't be equally applied however.
Well yes, Kit has coached the player for half a season and presumably likes him enough to want him in the squad next season. Then Rigg will have had a say I am sure in terms of how that fits in to the other transfer plans we have this summer. Rigg will ultimately rely on the scouting reports he is provided with (which for Jazz will have been fed into by Kit).
Quote from: Riverside on July 01, 2015, 12:20:23 PM
And if he does perform as he did for Wales how will credit be attributed . (Anyone who can handle Hazard is good enough for me )
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How about if they couldn't handle Redmond, does that mean Redmond is better than Hazard?
No it means that Wales had a better organised back 4 than we had and a midfield that covered !
Many forget this is a team game .
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Quote from: Riverside on July 01, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
No it means that Wales had a better organised back 4 than we had and a midfield that covered !
Many forget this is a team game .
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Wales actually played 3x CBs and 2x wing-backs (of which Jazz was one) with 2x holding mid-fielders.
That is nothing like we played last season and I would hazard (no pun intended) a guess to say we will not play that formation in 15/16
The Wales line up suited Jazz's abilities. Good going forward, defensively ok but better with a centre half and mid-fielder covering.
Not saying he cannot do a job for us only we should take his Wales display in context with the 14 times we saw him and you will probably get a better assessment of him
So you conclude that he is good enough for Wales but not good enough for Fulham .
I conclude if he is good enough for Wales he is good enough for Fulham .
Let's see how this pans out ...
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No Riverside I am not saying he is not good enough for us.
I am not getting carried away with one "great" performance for Wales that has increased his profile nor am I slashing my wrists over his 14x performances for us.
Whoever plays fullback for us in 15/16 will look better if the formation in front and alongside them is defensively more solid
Quote from: FFC73 on July 01, 2015, 04:46:33 PM
No Riverside I am not saying he is not good enough for us.
I am not getting carried away with one "great" performance for Wales that has increased his profile nor am I slashing my wrists over his 14x performances for us.
Whoever plays fullback for us in 15/16 will look better if the formation in front and alongside them is defensively more solid
Completely agree - see my post re the defence.
Ok, what's the latest, does anybody have any idea?
Is he coming or going.?
Apparently passed his medical and will sign a four year deal tomorrow.
Abilities/performance aside, it's refreshing to be signing players of that sort of age on long term deals. Rather than 30+ on season long deals - suggests we're working to a plan rather than willy nillily signing players.
Quote from: Gloss White on July 01, 2015, 09:33:21 AM
I think he is going to be a great addition and will have a terrific season. Not nearly as bad as people make out and I am delighted he is coming.
I wouldn't endorse him quite as enthusiastically, but he is definitely better going forward than Grimmer, but at times lost his position, and no one covered for him. I have concerns over Grimmer - defensively ok and has good pace, but offers very little offensively. The fact he can't cross a ball at all puts questions marks over his ability to succeed at Championship level.
Thank you GTM ....... Now on to the next .... "MACDONALD hop up on to couch".
"DUNK you sit there a whiley"
Yes, good contract length..... Let's hope after he settles in he becomes a success with us.
Friend has announced he is staying with Boro. Maybe we can now get Husband?
Are we really giving Richards a four year deal?
If, as seems increasingly likely, this one is finalized, I would see it as rather significant.
Here is a player with a PL club who, having played half a season with us and thus being in full possession of the facts concerning the club, the players, the management, the coaching and the aspirations, has decided to go along with us and ignore the attentions of a number of, admittedly minor, PL clubs.
Sure money will have come into it, but I doubt that we were offering significantly more than the others.
As far as the player himself is concerned, my opinion, for what that's worth, based on what he did for us, was that he didn't appear much of an advance over Grimmer. The Spain match was something of a revelation and showed what he could do when used in a particular way. It may turn out to be his best ever game - but at least we know what he can do.
We would now also have a very healthy competition between two good young players of slightly different types and at slightly different stages of their development.
Quote from: cmg on July 01, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
If, as seems increasingly likely, this one is finalized, I would see it as rather significant.
Here is a player with a PL club who, having played half a season with us and thus being in full possession of the facts concerning the club, the players, the management, the coaching and the aspirations, has decided to go along with us and ignore the attentions of a number of, admittedly minor, PL clubs.
Sure money will have come into it, but I doubt that we were offering significantly more than the others.
As far as the player himself is concerned, my opinion, for what that's worth, based on what he did for us, was that he didn't appear much of an advance over Grimmer. The Spain match was something of a revelation and showed what he could do when used in a particular way. It may turn out to be his best ever game - but at least we know what he can do.
We would now also have a very healthy competition between two good young players of slightly different types and at slightly different stages of their development.
As I mentioned in previous post, I don't see Grimmer as a championship player. So do you rate Grimmer more highly than I do? Or do you just not rate Richards? It is pretty essential that a full-back can cross a ball. and if at 19 or 20 you can't, then there's a fair chance you will never be able to.
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 01, 2015, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: cmg on July 01, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
If, as seems increasingly likely, this one is finalized, I would see it as rather significant.
As far as the player himself is concerned, my opinion, for what that's worth, based on what he did for us, was that he didn't appear much of an advance over Grimmer.
We would now also have a very healthy competition between two good young players of slightly different types and at slightly different stages of their development.
As I mentioned in previous post, I don't see Grimmer as a championship player. So do you rate Grimmer more highly than I do? Or do you just not rate Richards? It is pretty essential that a full-back can cross a ball. and if at 19 or 20 you can't, then there's a fair chance you will never be able to.
I'm probably a bit biased when it comes to Grimmer. I've watched him for a while now and from the first he impressed me as the kind of player with the character as well as the talent to go places.
The best performances I have seen from him have probably been when he was played at CB. We have a lot of CBs on our books and we need FBs so he's probably playing in the correct position at the moment (unless we might go to 3CBs with WBs?)
Rating them? Well, as I said, I think they're both decent young players with much left to prove.
I'm a firm believer in developing talent. At twenty I would hope Grimmer will still be improving and developing many aspects of his game. At the same time Richards also has time on his side.
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Quote from: Whitesideup on July 01, 2015, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: cmg on July 01, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
If, as seems increasingly likely, this one is finalized, I would see it as rather significant.
As far as the player himself is concerned, my opinion, for what that's worth, based on what he did for us, was that he didn't appear much of an advance over Grimmer.
We would now also have a very healthy competition between two good young players of slightly different types and at slightly different stages of their development.
As I mentioned in previous post, I don't see Grimmer as a championship player. So do you rate Grimmer more highly than I do? Or do you just not rate Richards? It is pretty essential that a full-back can cross a ball. and if at 19 or 20 you can't, then there's a fair chance you will never be able to.
I'm probably a bit biased when it comes to Grimmer. I've watched him for a while now and from the first he impressed me as the kind of player with the character as well as the talent to go places.
The best performances I have seen from him have probably been when he was played at CB. We have a lot of CBs on our books and we need FBs so he's probably playing in the correct position at the moment (unless we might go to 3CBs with WBs?)
Rating them? Well, as I said, I think they're both decent young players with much left to prove.
I'm a firm believer in developing talent. At twenty I would hope Grimmer will still be improving and developing many aspects of his game. At the same time Richards also has time on his side.
Fair points, well made. You certainly cannot fault Grimmer's attitude. I hope that determination means he continues his development.
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 01, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
Fair points, well made. You certainly cannot fault Grimmer's attitude. I hope that determination means he continues his development.
You and me both, my friend :54:
Thing is Grimmer is the better defender, I don't think any one can doubt that, and Richards is the better attacker, depends what you are looking for really.
Grimmer lacks pace and that is a huge weakness in his position. IMO it was impossible to look good as a fullback in the formation we played last season and with the horrible centre back support inside.
I think Richards is nowhere near as poor as many on here assert.
Quote from: WayneKerrins on July 01, 2015, 10:40:30 PM
Grimmer lacks pace and that is a huge weakness in his position. IMO it was impossible to look good as a fullback in the formation we played last season and with the horrible centre back support inside.
I think Richards is nowhere near as poor as many on here assert.
even if it were impossible to look good as a fullback last season, that doesnt negate the fact that grimmer was the better defender in the same conditions. and i thought this board was in agreement that the defence needed strengthening. i dont see how it can be strengthend by bringing the same player back
I'd see CB x 2 and CDM as key. That's where I'd spend the roberts money (khan will be putting nada in). Richards is solid and better than Hoog. You can't coach pace and Grimmer's lack of it is probably why we signed Jazz.
Quote from: WayneKerrins on July 01, 2015, 11:13:50 PM
I'd see CB x 2 and CDM as key. That's where I'd spend the roberts money (khan will be putting nada in). Richards is solid and better than Hoog. You can't coach pace and Grimmer's lack of it is probably why we signed Jazz.
nothing about our defence last season was solid.
Just looked on Squawka.com on stats.
Richards far better with ball especially passing and taking on. Very similar defensively, Jack 1 or 2 percent better.
Overall Jazz rated 100 points higher.
If you're saying we should aim higher than Richards I won't demur.
If you saying Grimmer is the better starter I disagree and the facts back me up.
Quote from: WayneKerrins on July 01, 2015, 11:21:03 PM
Just looked on Squawka.com on stats.
Richards far better with ball especially passing and taking on. Very similar defensively, Jack 1 or 2 percent better.
Overall Jazz rated 100 points higher.
but we were still shocking even with him in the team. if we sign him then we wont have improved from last season.
If you do the defence score on squawker Hoogland is top then Grimmer and then Richards. I think your reading the 100 more is the minutes played.
Quote from: cmg on July 01, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
If, as seems increasingly likely, this one is finalized, I would see it as rather significant.
Here is a player with a PL club who, having played half a season with us and thus being in full possession of the facts concerning the club, the players, the management, the coaching and the aspirations, has decided to go along with us and ignore the attentions of a number of, admittedly minor, PL clubs.
Sure money will have come into it, but I doubt that we were offering significantly more than the others.
As far as the player himself is concerned, my opinion, for what that's worth, based on what he did for us, was that he didn't appear much of an advance over Grimmer. The Spain match was something of a revelation and showed what he could do when used in a particular way. It may turn out to be his best ever game - but at least we know what he can do.
We would now also have a very healthy competition between two good young players of slightly different types and at slightly different stages of their development.
Good post, particularly the first paragraph
Amazing this thread has gone 5 pages for such a poor player.
When you lack ambition, and this is the only defensive signing of the summer, you get 5 pages.
Last season ended (financially) yesterday. It's a bit early to be writing off this season already.
I have to admit after watching Richards last season I was underwhelmed by his signing but I have to admit if we play 4-2-3-1 & he has my full support on what will be a fresh start for him. I genuinely think if we add width in side he will do well for us.
I thought Grimmer played at CB in levels up through U18s if pace is his problem or lack of and we need more CB why not try him back in the middle? Richards is certainly capable of improving as the Wales and Arsenal games showed
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