Reading this board about the possible signing of Ashley Richards I find appalling. The kid was on loan last season came in to the club in January half way through the season. Why don't you just give him a go on a full season with pre-season under his belt. instead of being negative.
I know there are a lot of young fans on the board that have been a Fulham fan since the glory days that jump on the band wagon. But you Mr MJG surprises me being a loyal fan even you should be able to see what I am saying, and to give the boy a chance.
Quote from: Tooting legend on June 30, 2015, 11:46:44 PM
Reading this board about the possible signing of Ashley Richards I find appalling. The kid was on loan last season came in to the club in January half way through the season. Why don't you just give him a go on a full season with pre-season under his belt. instead of being negative.
I know there are a lot of young fans on the board that have been a Fulham fan since the glory days that jump on the band wagon. But you Mr MJG surprises me being a loyal fan even you should be able to see what I am saying, and to give the boy a chance.
I started that post and had no really negative posts about him. Please quote what makes you so upset to clarify as it all seemed pretty even to me.
What a negative thread
So you are telling me that there wasn't negative posts it was more 60-40 Why start the post? Immature springs to mind!
Quote from: Barrie on June 30, 2015, 11:53:48 PM
What a negative thread
Really? I hope this is sarcastic. My first post stated that I wouldn't be upset with this signing. Most comments have echoed my feelings. Some would love him ONE wouldn't. How is that negative?
Quote from: Tooting legend on June 30, 2015, 11:46:44 PM
Reading this board about the possible signing of Ashley Richards I find appalling. The kid was on loan last season came in to the club in January half way through the season. Why don't you just give him a go on a full season with pre-season under his belt. instead of being negative.
I know there are a lot of young fans on the board that have been a Fulham fan since the glory days that jump on the band wagon. But you Mr MJG surprises me being a loyal fan even you should be able to see what I am saying, and to give the boy a chance.
This will be my last comment on him till he signs or not.
We had him on loan for 14 games, more than enough time on a individual basis to show what he offers. For me it's not a lot. I don't think he's that good a defender and going forward he's marginally better than Grimmer(who is the better defender).
Lots mention his ability to play on the left. Well he was very poor in the position the couple of times I saw him there.
Look if he signs then fine, I'll give him the fresh start But for me we scouted him for those 14 games, and on that I'd not sign him.
The negetivity stems from the fact that he is a bad player.
Well we saw him last season for half a dozen or so games at home and he didn't seem to set the Cottage alight and perhaps we were hoping for something better.
However I fully agree that we should back Kit's judgement and get right behind the lad.
I would not condemn any individual in the back 4 of last year . There was a different 4 every week and had minimal midfield cover.
Have a stable 4 who know where the others are positionally and provide some midfield cover I think they will all look much better individually
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Quote from: Riverside on July 01, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
I would not condemn any individual in the back 4 of last year . There was a different 4 every week and had minimal midfield cover.
Have a stable 4 who know where the others are positionally and provide some midfield cover I think they will all look much better individually
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Bliomey a post I "almost" agree with. However on a couple of occassion (More than a couple with 70+ goals conceeded) You could easily blame the back 4 alone, Staff was poor at getting tight to his man. Centre backs were dragged out of position to easily (Turner sorted that a bit). However I think the RHS improved when Tunni played in front of the RB, but even then the Diamond made it hard. Where Richards played well at Swansea and for Wales was as a RB, behind a midfield 4 or 5.
It may help (if he signs) if we have a few decent midfield players. It would be hard for any defender to shine in that side of last season.
jazz Richards was indifferent at best. He was certainly no better than we had already.
We want to improve so we need a better class of player. Also for the short time he was with us he was, if i remember correctly, not entirely injury free.
I felt if we signed the likes of him then it was a signal that we had no proper ambition and were prepared to accept we would not be challenging for promotion any time soon.
Maybe i am wrong and he will blossom elsewhere, so i wish him luck and all good fortune.
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on June 30, 2015, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: Barrie on June 30, 2015, 11:53:48 PM
What a negative thread
Really? I hope this is sarcastic. My first post stated that I wouldn't be upset with this signing. Most comments have echoed my feelings. Some would love him ONE wouldn't. How is that negative?
It was tongue-in-cheek, the thread topic started as 'such a negative board.'
Quote from: nose on July 01, 2015, 11:24:23 AM
jazz Richards was indifferent at best. He was certainly no better than we had already.
We want to improve so we need a better class of player. Also for the short time he was with us he was, if i remember correctly, not entirely injury free.
I felt if we signed the likes of him then it was a signal that we had no proper ambition and were prepared to accept we would not be challenging for promotion any time soon.
Maybe i am wrong and he will blossom elsewhere, so i wish him luck and all good fortune.
I agree, the main thing he lacked was the ability to cross a ball and to maintain forward momentum, he frequently found himself in a fantastic position, ball at his feet but because he knows he cannot crosss the ball he cuts back and passes back leaving us really exposed.
You only had to look at the comments about Grimmer during the season from some posters on this board to know that a full backs lot (at Fulham) is not a happy one.
I think Grimmer is good, Richards marginally better, both will be hugely helped by a midfield that can actually cover and help out. The diamond does nothing with the quality of player Fulham had last season, and I just think Ross was not cut out to be the lone striker, to allow for a 5 man midfield.
Still if other teams did actually want him and he came to Fulham, that is a plus not a minus.
It seems some want every signing to be a 5 million dollar first team quality player. For the price quoted in the news on Jazz, I think it is good business. Perhaps he is no better than we have, but we are thin in the position. He either earns a spot or provides cover. No harm in this business if it goes through.
Quote from: McBride78 on July 01, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
It seems some want every signing to be a 5 million dollar first team quality player. For the price quoted in the news on Jazz, I think it is good business. Perhaps he is no better than we have, but we are thin in the position. He either earns a spot or provides cover. No harm in this business if it goes through.
You make a good point, I was not that impressed with him, however, if he signs, as it's permanent as opposed to loan, as it was last season, he may settle down and settle in better, and we may see a much improved all round player, so no harm in signing, especially after seeing some of the mediocrity Magath signed.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 01, 2015, 04:32:57 PM
Quote from: McBride78 on July 01, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
It seems some want every signing to be a 5 million dollar first team quality player. For the price quoted in the news on Jazz, I think it is good business. Perhaps he is no better than we have, but we are thin in the position. He either earns a spot or provides cover. No harm in this business if it goes through.
You make a good point, I was not that impressed with him, however, if he signs, as it's permanent as opposed to loan, as it was last season, he may settle down and settle in better, and we may see a much improved all round player, so no harm in signing, especially after seeing some of the mediocrity Magath signed.
I agree and as several have said, he and our other potential back 4 starters need to be judged when they have some protection from a mid field capable of; retaining possession, defending back and getting the ball forward with some pace. However I especially loved your comment "especially after seeing some of the mediocrity Magath signed", great British understatement!
Quote from: Barrie on July 01, 2015, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on June 30, 2015, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: Barrie on June 30, 2015, 11:53:48 PM
What a negative thread
Really? I hope this is sarcastic. My first post stated that I wouldn't be upset with this signing. Most comments have echoed my feelings. Some would love him ONE wouldn't. How is that negative?
It was tongue-in-cheek, the thread topic started as 'such a negative board.'
Appologisys. I think I took offence to the OP and was baying for blood. But in vein with the thread how dare you be so negatively whitty.
He didn't shine for me tbh. But it was a loan spell in a poor team.
So we'll give him a go. He hasn't cost the earth and with better midfield protection and a more stable defense maybe he can do a job for us.
I would like to see more of Grimmer as well tho. I like him and he's come thro the "yoof".
COYW!
Quote from: snarks on July 01, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
Quote from: Riverside on July 01, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
I would not condemn any individual in the back 4 of last year . There was a different 4 every week and had minimal midfield cover.
Have a stable 4 who know where the others are positionally and provide some midfield cover I think they will all look much better individually
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Bliomey a post I "almost" agree with. However on a couple of occassion (More than a couple with 70+ goals conceeded) You could easily blame the back 4 alone, Staff was poor at getting tight to his man. Centre backs were dragged out of position to easily (Turner sorted that a bit). However I think the RHS improved when Tunni played in front of the RB, but even then the Diamond made it hard. Where Richards played well at Swansea and for Wales was as a RB, behind a midfield 4 or 5.
Snarks, not wrong there mate, though to be fair, to Riversides point, if we had a stable back four then we are less likely to see the players being drawn out of position, or, if that does occur, the other players automatically cover him.
We saw this during Roy's reign here, it wasn't the fact the backs wren't fluid, it was because they were on the same wavelength, and that's what Riverside alluded to, I believe.
Because he looked bang average when he played for us last season. Hardly a signing to get excited over. That said, he played well against Belgium for Wales, and so let's see. Welcome Jazz
Thought he had a very good debut at Blackburn but didn't seem to carry it on. I think the thing is he is capable of being a lot better than Grimmer (who I think is a good League 1 player at best) but he has to prove it as he did for Wales a couple of weeks ago. As it has been pointed out, in a more stable team with better midfielders in front of him, I am hoping he will prove a very good signing.....
