That whether you ask on here or the mod that responded, you dont get an answer as to why FOF are using cookies to collect my information. I sent a pm as asked but no answer. I guess that means a ban, but tbh I've had enough of it on here anyway. To the oldies, I wish you all well. I may join Cottage Corner, but this site has become too controling for Blingo.
I left CC as it was full of WUMS & personal abusers. I reported some of them to the club but Nicola said there was nothing she or the club could do as it is a private forum. They will monitor the site.
Just a quick reply, but cookies are there to make it easier for you to come back to the site, they just give you a unique ID so that they can check when you come back that all the links are in place for the site. They do not "gather data" about you as such, although they do keep a track on when you visit.
Here's a bit about cookies for you:- (courtesy of an old BBC article from 2012)
Most modern websites use cookies in some way, and it is unlikely that the majority of internet users even notice cookies working away in the background as they browse from site to site. Until now it has been up to individual users to either block or allow cookies using settings in their internet browser. From the end of May 2012 though, an EU law required all sites that use cookies to seek your express permission to store and retrieve data about your browsing habits.
Most sites will now have drawn your attention to their cookie policy when you first visit the home page. Don't be put off by this, you were probably sharing details with the site before without even knowing it. In many cases you can click to say you understand the cookies policy but in many instance you can simply ignore the announcement and continue browsing as normal.
Sites will continue to use cookies and the information they store in order to make your on line browsing an easier, more enjoyable experience. Cookies are nothing to be scared of, even if the new prompts seeking your consent might seem a little off-putting for the cautious internet user.
You can of course still change how cookies are stored on your machine by clicking on the 'Tools' menu in your internet browser, but you may find that the new law means your concerns about privacy and your personal data have been addressed
And just to clarify what it does
When you visit a site that uses cookies for the first time, a cookie is downloaded onto your PC. The next time you visit that site, your PC checks to see if it has a cookie that is relevant (that is, one containing the site name) and sends the information contained in that cookie back to the site.
The site then 'knows' that you have been there before, and in some cases, tailors what pops up on screen to take account of that fact. For instance, it can be helpful to vary content according to whether this is your first ever visit to a site – or your 71st.
Given that we are apparently the most spied upon people in the western world (via CCTV and the like), a few cookies are not going to phase me too much.
If you decide to go and post your views elsewhere, then I wish you well, and you can be sure of a warm welcome from me at least should you choose to return at a later date.
...blingo, as has been requested by other mods before - rather than comment - why don't you send a PM. It's nothing to do with being controlling, you are just being paranoid.
Also please note I have not made any decisions regarding your posts since the last time you did a flounce and left - this will be the third time you've done this I think - as you clearly blamed me for my removing posts that did not comply with the rules of this site - which are clearly published - if you don't like the rules - which are reasonable and in line with strict guidelines laid down by the authorities. Because of that I refused to deal with your posts and have left such decisions to others.
I would normally have written to you with this as a PM, but I though that for a change I would defend my colleagues position, as you have publicly laid the blame on us.
As you say there are other places you are free to join, nobody is tied to exclusively using one site, maybe you'll feel more at home elsewhere - good luck...
isn't the cookies thing all to do with the advertisements that get shown to you on the page, so they get tailored to your individual like.
Custard Creams and Bourbons are my favourite cookies
It is only an MB. Everywhere has cookies and I have to admit to not caring or understanding what they do. I would tend not to involve myself in what the mods do or don't do. Some of them do and some of them don't.
We know like life this MB has changed. But it is still the only one worth looking at. So cook the cookies, sod the mods and just enjoy what is on offer.
By the term 'sod' I mean cover them in grass as we will all go to seed eventually.
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Don't delete your account Bling....... Would like to keep in touch with one of the "originals" who's optomistic posts were always much appreciated at difficult times (and there were many).
I will hang around to monitor the mods !!!
Quote from: blingo on August 07, 2015, 10:05:15 AM
That whether you ask on here or the mod that responded, you dont get an answer as to why FOF are using cookies to collect my information. I sent a pm as asked but no answer. I guess that means a ban, but tbh I've had enough of it on here anyway. To the oldies, I wish you all well. I may join Cottage Corner, but this site has become too controling for Blingo.
Ha, Ha, is this guy seriously for real? What an absolute attention seeker. Cookies are everywhere now, you basically have to accept this on every website you visit. It's actually good to see that FOF has put these measures in place to protect its members. I've accepted them and moved on..
Is it just me or do these "that's IT, I'm out" posts smack just a little of attention seeking? If I were ever "Out", I'd just go.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 07, 2015, 11:00:14 AM
By the term 'sod' I mean cover them in grass as we will all go to seed eventually.
Good recovery. That "print as you speak feature" does take some getting used to, doesn't it?
Quote from: Nero on August 07, 2015, 10:48:50 AM
isn't the cookies thing all to do with the advertisements that get shown to you on the page, so they get tailored to your individual like.
Done me a big favour the other evening. I had been previously looking at holidays on First Choice, nothing sprang to mind, but then a deal popped up on here and I booked. Hardly controlling, I'd say it's more about tailored advertising, and they just use your cookies.
Quote from: LBNo11 on August 07, 2015, 10:41:07 AM
...blingo, as has been requested by other mods before - rather than comment - why don't you send a PM. It's nothing to do with being controlling, you are just being paranoid.
Also please note I have not made any decisions regarding your posts since the last time you did a flounce and left - this will be the third time you've done this I think - as you clearly blamed me for my removing posts that did not comply with the rules of this site - which are clearly published - if you don't like the rules - which are reasonable and in line with strict guidelines laid down by the authorities. Because of that I refused to deal with your posts and have left such decisions to others.
I would normally have written to you with this as a PM, but I though that for a change I would defend my colleagues position, as you have publicly laid the blame on us.
As you say there are other places you are free to join, nobody is tied to exclusively using one site, maybe you'll feel more at home elsewhere - good luck...
I really wasn't going to post any more either but.......
Ed, I have no beefs at all with you. We had a difference of opinion and sorted it through pm's and as far as I was concerned it was all over. I know you don't have much, if anything, to do with my posts. I guess that when it comes to blingo you just can't like everyone on here and I respect you for that. As far as rules go, I think it is clearly known that I am a rebel, it's the reason I had to work for myself. I have never been able to conform to "rules". Don't make me a bad guy, just different. Love your use of the word "flounce" Pretty well summed up I would say, but those actions and instincts haven't served me too badly in life. As you rightly say we all have a choice and to be honest, although there's no reason for you or any other mod to care, this is mine. If it's okay with you, I will leave the account open to keep in touch with a few of the oldies. I guess that's all I have to say. Be lucky and healthy. R.
I appreciate the originals are to be remembered for getting Fof going but in the time I have been on here I would like to think I have put a lot of effort into it. Whether that's for the better or worse is down to opinion but it is frustrating feeling like the originals are the only people who matter on this forum. As far as I'm concerned everyone matters.
As for the cookies issue, I am very behind the times with computers so I have no idea what a cookie even does unless it is covered in chocolate chips and delicious. I don't think asking questions only a mod can answer privately rather than on the MB is unreasnonable is it? It's not really a rule, more of a request.
Hopefully you have a change of heart
The ads can be a bit disconcerting if you share a computer with you're wife, as it doesn't take the brain of Britain to know what each of you have been googling.
I think there is a way of turning this feature off in google settings.
Quote from: mikestrand on August 07, 2015, 12:09:29 PM
I think there is a way of turning this feature off in google settings.
Ironically enough, I would suggest Googling it!
I'm definitely no internet expert - the opposite - but experience has shown me that cookies are everywhere now. In fact, though you can usually block cookies through your browser, but if you do you probably won't get on most sites, though I think you can block 'third party' cookies all right.
You can also block the personalised ads through downloading Adblocker for free - but I found this makes my computer slow.
Cookies, or most ads, don't bother me anyway - only on those match streaming sites are ads a problem, when they tell you have to download software to watch the game - never download anything online unless you are certain what it is!!!!
You can get rid of cookies by running the 'delete history ' on your computer - this is usually under the Tools heading. That gets rid of all cookies and history - until you go on the site again.
I think blingo will be hard pressed to find a site that doesn't have cookies, though they may not tell you about them, but I hope he doesn't leave and know he is very popular with many long term posters - I'm relatively new to FoF, so haven't read many of his posts.
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Absolutely perfect 064.gif
Quote from: mikestrand on August 07, 2015, 12:09:29 PM
The ads can be a bit disconcerting if you share a computer with you're wife, as it doesn't take the brain of Britain to know what each of you have been googling.
I think there is a way of turning this feature off in google settings.
yes you can use your " in private" browsing, another great invention by man to look at porn like the smart phone
Blingo, sorry to see you go (if you do go). I rarely post because, living abroad, Fulham no longer on tv here, I do not see games so have no comments on the team or players. I get my Fulham news here. I check in almost every day, read a few and find that nobody posting offends me. Cookies? They are everywhere, every site you go to.
Personally, I would be lost without FoF. Mostly for Peabody's jokes. How can you pass them up.?
maybe check what the cookies are for:
one contains a session ID so when you click on my profile or post -> they know its from you
the other cookie seems to be a cookie related to tapatalk and popup appears if your on mobile
neither of these cookies to me are stealing your information or breaching your privacy merely used to keep the site operational and to provide authentication
OK, so cookies are used for various tasks in the browsing world, security, history to name just two.
If you turn cookies off you might find some content on some sites either doesn't load correctly, or at all, and that is your choice.
Sites like FoF rely on certain sponsorships, and these often come in the form of advertising. The fact you personally might not have clicked on even just one of those ads doesn't matter as much as the agency having the opportunity to display their adverts.
Simply put, if you want private browsing, each browser has that setting, in addition, if using Chrome, you can use the incognito pages to browse (somewhat) privately, but please don't be fooled that there is anything really 'private' about browsing on the internet, it's like walking down a street in London expecting no CCTV cameras to see you at all, doesn't happen. :58:
If you REALLY want to be paranoid about your browsing privacy, go for something like Tor, be aware that is something a little under the radar, and like most things of that nature, nefarious characters hang out there offering bitcoins and the like, and there be dragons. :033:
Blingo, if you really don't like this forum, then with respect mate, just leave. You make some great posts mate, but sometimes it's better to part company on good terms. Nobody needs to announce they are leaving, and given the reaction on this thread, perhaps it's better they don't. :dead horse:
Might as well give up internet if you're actually bothered by cookies.
Plus there's no need to criticise people who monitor a well run site, for the befefit of people like you, without taking any form of pay. If you want to understand cookies you could easily just google it unless you stopped using them because you're concerned about them spying on you.
The frequent leaving, taking about yourself in 3rd person half the time and this thread does seem very attention seeking.
Its the Americans spying on you don't you remember the Cookie Monster, eat Rich Tea it confuses them
its important to have rules and regulations and controls on posting. not trying to schmooze up to the mods here. its just that i go on other discussion forums which don't have such tight controls, and the amount of racism, sexisim, islamophobia, anti semitism etc etc on those sites is disgusting - i am talking about well known sites such as sky news, yahoo etc.
by the way - hope blingo doesn't go. i have had arguments with him, but i i like his posts most of the time. he's one of the ex pat club.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 07, 2015, 05:34:01 PM
by the way - hope blingo doesn't go. i have had arguments with him, but i i like his posts most of the time. he's one of the ex pat club.
:plus one: :plus one:
"Cookies" are the way that if you load up FoF the site recognises your user name and password. If you didn't have them you'd have to log in each time you visit which would be a right PITA. You'll notice this if you clear your computer of rubbish then try to visit FF. You have to log in first time, thereafter that you don't - it's the "cookie" doing its job.
As for getting adverts on here (if others do) - I don't , for which I'm grateful but don't know what I did to achieve that.
I've never chatted with Blingo on here but I, for one, recognise him as an original and hope that he'll choose to stay or return at a later date.
There is good reason to be paranoid. Last August at the meet up in Florida, I clearly saw Logicalman with a FOF tee shirt, a camera and a note book following each FOF member. I suspect it was under direct orders of Admin and designed much like the NSA does it. I don't really mind but when I saw Tony peeking under the shower curtain at me, I decided to draw the line. What I do want to know is, where you got that photo of me in my anti-FOF hat? :028:
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Quote from: Nero on August 07, 2015, 10:48:50 AM
isn't the cookies thing all to do with the advertisements that get shown to you on the page, so they get tailored to your individual like.
Done me a big favour the other evening. I had been previously looking at holidays on First Choice, nothing sprang to mind, but then a deal popped up on here and I booked. Hardly controlling, I'd say it's more about tailored advertising, and they just use your cookies.
not so good for me. Had a quick check through my ps4 the other day and my TV was advertising dwarf porn whilst the mother in law was in the room. It's the little things I suppose
Internet content, as a whole, is largely funded by advertising. Embedded ads. Pop up ads. As I understand it, this online forum is partially subsidized by the annoying ads that pop up while we're reading posts. We suffer through the ads because it makes the forum affordable/available. For me, that's an easy choice. As to privacy concerns, this forum is an odd venue to get upset over. Every time you go online, advertisers' media contractors are trying their best to compile a socio-economic demographic profile of you based on your viewing habits, where you visit, what you surf. This forum is but a drop in an ocean of data collection going on all of the time, every time you go online. An odd venue to throw a fit over. Hardware companies want to know who is going online looking for replacement door locks, ladders, paint, so they can target you in the future with online or snail mail advertisements. I'm not sure what the privacy laws are in the U.K., but in the U.S. the advertisers can send unsolicited outbound commercial email messages to residential consumers until they 'opt-out' by providing notice to the sender that they want to be put on the merchant's Do Not Email list. Reasonable people have made strong arguments in the past that we shouldn't be tracked when we go online, that our surfing should be private, and our visits not compiled into a profile. There's an old adage in Advertising. A famous saying by an executive director of media buying for a large ad agency to explain the ambivalence towards mass media ad buys: "I know half of my (media budget) money is wasted; problem is, I don't know which half."
The Holy Grail in Media Buying has always been to build a better mousetrap, to build a more efficient system for ad media buying. The tracking of surfing histories of online consumers provides that better mousetrap. Now, advertisers, using fancy software and predictive technology can create an eerily accurate snapshot of consumers who go online. Want to effectively reach those consumers in the market for replacement door lock? The tracking technology does that. In the U.S. most privacy policies of corporations promise that they are not collecting personally sensitive information. Rather, they "aggregate" such data, so that when the data is sold to advertisers, that most personal information about yourself is withheld. Rather, the hardware store chain's ad agency is buying a list of a number of email addresses that will be 'blasted' with the desired commercial message. The ad agency won't be given the individual email addresses. Rather, the contractor will provide the agency with a guarantee of a certain number of culled email addresses within a certain geography. The ad buy is placed. The targets reached. And that's advertising in the new century for you--the little engine that drives the economy. What is Google but a giant advertising machine. What is Yahoo? Same thing.
I hate getting bombarded with junk mail, whether in my mail box or my inbox. So everytime I end my online session, I delete my History, my Cookies, my Temporary Internet File, etc. Every country has a number of great software products that you can get free to do that. In the States, I use Vipre. And every now and then I'll run antimalwarebytes software program to make sure malware hasn't snuck into my system.
Well, I don't get ads at all on here. If I knew the secret I'd share it.
Forever Fulham, great post there sir, spot on.
Don't forget also the stores which offer to email you your receipt, yep, that's a pos as well for email addresses.
I have to admit, I get spammed a lot, but having a good email filter set up with your AV suite proves worthwhile. For those that want to stop it, just pay 60 bucks over 2 years for up to 3 computers and you too can reduce those pesky emails.
I was briefly an ad media buyer in a past life. But that was before the advent of the Internet. Later I provided legal counsel and support to a huge company's direct marketing efforts and oversaw my company's reaction to and implementation of CAN-SPAM, Do Not Call, the rules on unsolicited commercial Faxing, and even the U.S. Postal Regs. Plus my company's privacy policy. The world sure has changed in the last 12 years. I'm a big admirer of how the mods run this board and set up and maintain this online forum. You get a big 'well done' from me. Blingo, come back to us. As I type this, I'm staring at a Sports Authority ad on the screen, featuring Under Armour athletic apparel. And the instructions to "Hover to Expand". There's a photo of an NFL football running back in the banner ad as well. Eddie Lacy of the Green Bay Packers. That ad is clearly tailored for an American FOF member. These bastards are clever. They may not know much about me, but they know I'm in the U.S., about 4 miles from the nearest Sports Authority department store. I once had a long talk with a media research specialist at a major ad agency. He said all of us -- in whatever Western country -- can be categorized into one of about 40 discrete labels of consumers. By education. By income. Age. Sex. Marital status. Savings. Debt. Political leanings. Religious beliefs (or not). And so on. And they develop a more nuanced 'snapshot' of us by what we do while we're awake that they can track. Like online surfing habits. It's scary stuff, how they know whether their targeted ads will or won't be effective based on who and what we are, what our interests appear to be. I long for a privacy that has long left the building. I don't understand why anyone would create a detailed Facebook page about themselves, telling the whole world all about themselves. Why? There are software programs which 'scrape' Facebook pages and then use that information to bombard you with ads and junk and fraud. We don't have to open our front doors to let people into our homes. We are doing it with social media and careless surfing habits.
Quote from: Airfix on August 07, 2015, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: mikestrand on August 07, 2015, 12:09:29 PM
I think there is a way of turning this feature off in google settings.
Ironically enough, I would suggest Googling it!
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom?hl=en
Quote from: fulhamben on August 07, 2015, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on August 07, 2015, 11:20:55 AM
Quote from: Nero on August 07, 2015, 10:48:50 AM
isn't the cookies thing all to do with the advertisements that get shown to you on the page, so they get tailored to your individual like.
Done me a big favour the other evening. I had been previously looking at holidays on First Choice, nothing sprang to mind, but then a deal popped up on here and I booked. Hardly controlling, I'd say it's more about tailored advertising, and they just use your cookies.
not so good for me. Had a quick check through my ps4 the other day and my TV was advertising dwarf porn whilst the mother in law was in the room. It's the little things I suppose
:drums:
Quote from: Forever Fulham on August 07, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
Internet content, as a whole, is largely funded by advertising. Embedded ads. Pop up ads. As I understand it, this online forum is partially subsidized by the annoying ads that pop up while we're reading posts. We suffer through the ads because it makes the forum affordable/available. For me, that's an easy choice. As to privacy concerns, this forum is an odd venue to get upset over. Every time you go online, advertisers' media contractors are trying their best to compile a socio-economic demographic profile of you based on your viewing habits, where you visit, what you surf. This forum is but a drop in an ocean of data collection going on all of the time, every time you go online. An odd venue to throw a fit over. Hardware companies want to know who is going online looking for replacement door locks, ladders, paint, so they can target you in the future with online or snail mail advertisements. I'm not sure what the privacy laws are in the U.K., but in the U.S. the advertisers can send unsolicited outbound commercial email messages to residential consumers until they 'opt-out' by providing notice to the sender that they want to be put on the merchant's Do Not Email list. Reasonable people have made strong arguments in the past that we shouldn't be tracked when we go online, that our surfing should be private, and our visits not compiled into a profile. There's an old adage in Advertising. A famous saying by an executive director of media buying for a large ad agency to explain the ambivalence towards mass media ad buys: "I know half of my (media budget) money is wasted; problem is, I don't know which half."
The Holy Grail in Media Buying has always been to build a better mousetrap, to build a more efficient system for ad media buying. The tracking of surfing histories of online consumers provides that better mousetrap. Now, advertisers, using fancy software and predictive technology can create an eerily accurate snapshot of consumers who go online. Want to effectively reach those consumers in the market for replacement door lock? The tracking technology does that. In the U.S. most privacy policies of corporations promise that they are not collecting personally sensitive information. Rather, they "aggregate" such data, so that when the data is sold to advertisers, that most personal information about yourself is withheld. Rather, the hardware store chain's ad agency is buying a list of a number of email addresses that will be 'blasted' with the desired commercial message. The ad agency won't be given the individual email addresses. Rather, the contractor will provide the agency with a guarantee of a certain number of culled email addresses within a certain geography. The ad buy is placed. The targets reached. And that's advertising in the new century for you--the little engine that drives the economy. What is Google but a giant advertising machine. What is Yahoo? Same thing.
I hate getting bombarded with junk mail, whether in my mail box or my inbox. So everytime I end my online session, I delete my History, my Cookies, my Temporary Internet File, etc. Every country has a number of great software products that you can get free to do that. In the States, I use Vipre. And every now and then I'll run antimalwarebytes software program to make sure malware hasn't snuck into my system.
Phuck me!! Get a life man...
AlbanianW: If you aren't concerned about maintaining some semblance of privacy when going onto the Internet, or as the continental Europeans call it, "The right to be forgotten," then you need to rethink your priorities. Frankly, I don't know how Londoners stand the overwhelming video recording that goes on in that city. Zero privacy.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on August 08, 2015, 04:03:57 AM
AlbanianW: If you aren't concerned about maintaining some semblance of privacy when going onto the Internet, or as the continental Europeans call it, "The right to be forgotten," then you need to rethink your priorities. Frankly, I don't know how Londoners stand the overwhelming video recording that goes on in that city. Zero privacy.
It's called life mate, just plain Life.
Regarding your targeted ads, the IP Address you use is all they need, you'll find if you use Tor then the 'targeted ads' could be for anywhere in the world, it's fun! I deal in big data every day, and the amount of sources for that data will amaze you, not only page scraping from facebook, check the property listings pages, they are scraped, pintrest, etc. If you want to see what I mean, pick on any sentence you have read online someplace, Google it, and you will find the results appear with almost every page that has that set of words on them.
try these:
"When people ask why I support Fulham being in New York with a booming football culture"
"With thanks to fulhamfever from FBTZ who supplied the original DVD-5 image"
"Choose your favourite Fulham player and track every goal"
"Fulham face struggling Sunderland tomorrow on the back of a five-game unbeaten run."
