In discussing how we conceded 3 crap goals from set pieces this is what Kit said. I and many have heard the audio, yes he actually said this about practicing defending from set pieces.....
'You can do hours and hours on the training pitch and MAYBE we should start doing that.... Its boring for the players and they don't like doing it but MAYBE we need to start doing it....' Quite unbelieveable comments and I would fire him just on tha basis of that...
MAYBE being the key word. Its not MAYBE Kit, is not even probably, or definately, it should be an absolutely a nailed on 100% necessity that you do this, not for hours and hours but days and days and even weeks and weeks until you get it right.
I would have sacked him on the spot for coming out with this comment unless I thought he was just a bit thick and could not help himself.... oh hang on a minute.
I know, it defies belief. Maybe he is too matey with the players, I don't know.
I would make them practice defending set-pieces ad nauseam to make sure they detest it sufficiently that they'll do whatever it takes on match days to ensure they don't have to face more drills on Monday.
He also said after the abject display second half against Blackburn that " the players cannot keep up that performance for 90 minutes" really? you need to look at the fitness coaching and also perhaps the correct use of Subs
Unbelievable !
Actually I do believe he said it because its what I have come to expect from him.
"Its boring and the players don't like it"
Well, I'm sorry for the little darlings but they will just have to get on with it.
As for the manager and his so called coaching staff, isn't it part of their job description to do whatever's needed to get results?
This sounds like Sunday morning Football stuff where you have to pick some useless twit because his mum washes the kit or the like!
Strewth! What a shambles!
Roy did it - and got rid of those that didn't like it, i.e. Jimmy Bullard and brought in those with top professionalism and work rate, i.e. Damien Duff. Roy's team didn't have anybody not willing to put in 200% percent for the team.
Louis Van Gaal is another that puts in hours working on 11v11s and adjusting minute details in game. You've got to build a motor memory in your players in that it's natural for them to do what you want them to. That comes with repetition and correcting when wrong. These quotes from Kit (who I have been known to support) makes me feel he'll forever live in the Zola box of being too nice to succeed. He messes up here, where is he going to go? He got the job internally and kept it through connection to the club, I don't think he'll get another if he fails - so if anything, he's got to think about himself and the club.
If repetitive defending drills need to be done, then do them. If players don't like it, then that may be part of the problem. Once the defending is to a tee, then relax on it - that makes sense. Why be relaxed on defending drills when it's been the constant in our downfall.
I have very little belief that Symons and his small and inexperienced coaching staff are prepare the players properly bin comparison to many of our league rivals. To admit that that at present, whether we are shipping goals or not (we are!), that we are not working on defending set pieces is absolutely criminal. We have signed pretty much a whole back line who need be spending as much time as possible working on shape and organisation, especially on set pieces.
Beyond disbelief and despair with Symons now!
We can all discuss this until we're blue in the face, but I will stand adamant that Kit Symon's is NOT the right guy to take FFC forward. Bottom line is, there is nothing that me, you, or anyone else can do, until the Club decide otherwise. Until then, I will settle for mid-table football and an un-achieving squad.
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 22, 2015, 12:07:55 PM
In discussing how we conceded 3 crap goals from set pieces this is what Kit said. I and many have heard the audio, yes he actually said this about practicing defending from set pieces.....
'You can do hours and hours on the training pitch and MAYBE we should start doing that.... Its boring for the players and they don't like doing it but MAYBE we need to start doing it....' Quite unbelieveable comments and I would fire him just on tha basis of that...
MAYBE being the key word. Its not MAYBE Kit, is not even probably, or definately, it should be an absolutely a nailed on 100% necessity that you do this, not for hours and hours but days and days and even weeks and weeks until you get it right.
I would have sacked him on the spot for coming out with this comment unless I thought he was just a bit thick and could not help himself.... oh hang on a minute.
Is this in print anywhere?
I think we all know what he meant when he said it. Not that they don't train for this but that spending the entire training session doing it is boring but they may have to sacrifice other things for this. After all the reason we defended so poorly for the goals was mainly down to the full backs and Dembele not picking up players or running with the players they were supposed to mark.
Symons no doubt will be gone soon enough and then we can all complain about the new manager.
Wot a scandalous nonsense! :doh: That is part of the job! Hodgson spent a lot of time on organising and look what he achieved. Eventually some folk hang themselves.... :022:
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Quote from: Lighthouse on September 22, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
I think we all know what he meant when he said it. Not that they don't train for this but that spending the entire training session doing it is boring but they may have to sacrifice other things for this. After all the reason we defended so poorly for the goals was mainly down to the full backs and Dembele not picking up players or running with the players they were supposed to mark.
Symons no doubt will be gone soon enough and then we can all complain about the new manager.
or the new manager will know what he is doing and we won't have anything to complain about
Did he actually say this? Is there a link anyone can share?
If he did say it then blimey, sorry Kit, but drilling teams in the basics is standard practice and an essential requirement for any successful team.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 22, 2015, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 22, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
I think we all know what he meant when he said it. Not that they don't train for this but that spending the entire training session doing it is boring but they may have to sacrifice other things for this. After all the reason we defended so poorly for the goals was mainly down to the full backs and Dembele not picking up players or running with the players they were supposed to mark.
Symons no doubt will be gone soon enough and then we can all complain about the new manager.
or the new manager will know what he is doing and we won't have anything to complain about
Not really about complaining. It's about accountability. Symons is responsible for tactics and team selection and if players that he has chosen are not fulfilling their commitments when defending set pieces due to a lack of practice or understanding of what the manager expects from them, then ultimately he should be blamed.
We all knew he was a pussy but that's just unbelievable!
90% of most jobs are boring but we get on with it for far less dosh!
Does an 'exciting' practice make a better team?
Maybe he's still thinks he's managing teenagers. . .
Maybe they should all just go to Nando's and play FIFA 15. . .
He said it on radio london word for word . Also the bbc website ShW v F macth page.
To suggest that it was down to dembellel and the full backs , isn't accurate . If you watch the replays you see Reams man scores for the third ,but Burn and had already lost his man. To add to the misery Lonergan stood on his line for all 3. Even if he attacks those balls unsuccessfully I don't think they would have scored .
We should go zonal on at least 3 players to attack the ball and man mark their biggest threats.When coaching defending at corners its all about body shape of defenders . Ours was total joke .
From the horses mouth - https://audioboom.com/boos/3593990-listen-ffc-manager-kit-symons-speaks-to-bbc-london-94-9-after-3-2-defeat-at-sheffield-wednesday-fulhamfc
Quote from: Barrie on September 22, 2015, 01:29:53 PM
From the horses mouth - https://audioboom.com/boos/3593990-listen-ffc-manager-kit-symons-speaks-to-bbc-london-94-9-after-3-2-defeat-at-sheffield-wednesday-fulhamfc
Thank you for posting the link.
What a ridiculous thing for KS to say. I have a hard time believing he said it even after having listened to the audio.
Comical!
Stoke might just be in trouble today if Fulham can avoid allowing any set pieces.
Roland
Anyone who reads me on Twitter or listened to Sundays Cottage Talk will have heard or read my views on both the audio and post match comments.
It told me he has not learnt the lessons he kept going on about and lost any lingering support he had from me.
To the tune of 'We want our Fulham back', we need a chorus tonight of "We want a manager, we want a manager.........."
After watching the team last season is it really such a shock.
It really defies description. Clueless doesn't begin to cover it. It's so sad when we now actually have a pretty good set of players that we are let down by desperately poor management. As has been said, with a basically new back four one can imagine Roy having them out on the training field for hours on end practising the basics until they were sick to death of it and got used to one another. Oh dear they might find it boring. Funny I thought working was what they are paid for, not to have a good time for a couple of hours and then sod off home. Incredible.
"Maybe" an incredible comment.
Does he not see what Pullis does in training?Am losing faith- a strong personality needed to MANAGE.
Have just watched it again and again. 1st goal, main issue is Richards does not attack the ball in any way, is on the floor when the other guy jumps who is 2 foot above him (by the way the forward is 5 foot 7 inches). The second goal, Dembele totally switches off, losses Lees on the run and is no where when the header is made. 3rd goal Burn gets clearly pushed out the flight of the ball by the Weds no9, however Ream loses his man behind him (Turner) who has an unchallenged header at goal. Longeran could have come for all 3 and certainly the first 2.
The frustrating thing is that apart handling crosses the defenders did well. Ream is excellent on the ball and Stearman is strong and again a good footballer. With more experienced players around him Burn did well. So if we had spent days and days on attacking and winning defensive headers, not allowing players to get ahead of you and/or getting a jump on you, we would have won Saturday. Wednesday are nothing special and we were the better team. We will however win bugger all if we can't defend crosses and this has been the problem for the past year, not the past few weeks !! Its classic coaching issues that are not being addressed. The buck stops with Kit end of. How much longer are we going to give him ?
Thing is Stu there are other issues too . If you are dembelle you don't need to follow your man so far out away from the goal . All he has to do is drop his shoulder and you are off in the wrong direction. Basics .
They formed a simple 3 man cluster and we bought it with them screening markers in the process. Most teams are much more physical and use arms to stop runners and screeners.
And then there is the question of how we can face corners without any zonal markers in front of the keeper , and a keeper who wants to stay on the line .
Once again, we can continue to go over all this until we are blue in the face, but it won't change until the Club decides to make the change. For whatever reasons, they seem to be happy with Kit trundling along and learning his trade, rather than investing in someone who will gain us promotion to the Premiership. With Kit in charge, regardless of how good the team is, we're mid-table at best, and will plunder through seasons witnessing these mistakes time after time. Sorry, but that's just how it is.
What's funny is the club spent the whole summer reiterating this slogan of finding "the right player" for Fulham when it came to transfers. So does that mean we now have a squad full of players unwilling to nail down match day basics because it's too "boring"? He just comes across as a complete idiot after talking up the team spirit and commitment of the players for months.
If a team lets in three goals from set pieces in one game then they must expect to put in hours practicing defending in those situations until they can show that that they no longer make those mistakes in matches.
Firstly the players should want to do it if they have any ambition about challenging for promotion. Secondly, as others are saying, it should not even cross the manager's mind that there should be any question of the players not liking it until they stop regularly letting in soft goals of that type.
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 22, 2015, 03:24:09 PM
Have just watched it again and again. 1st goal, main issue is Richards does not attack the ball in any way, is on the floor when the other guy jumps who is 2 foot above him (by the way the forward is 5 foot 7 inches). The second goal, Dembele totally switches off, losses Lees on the run and is no where when the header is made. 3rd goal Burn gets clearly pushed out the flight of the ball by the Weds no9, however Ream loses his man behind him (Turner) who has an unchallenged header at goal. Longeran could have come for all 3 and certainly the first 2.
The frustrating thing is that apart handling crosses the defenders did well. Ream is excellent on the ball and Stearman is strong and again a good footballer. With more experienced players around him Burn did well. So if we had spent days and days on attacking and winning defensive headers, not allowing players to get ahead of you and/or getting a jump on you, we would have won Saturday. Wednesday are nothing special and we were the better team. We will however win bugger all if we can't defend crosses and this has been the problem for the past year, not the past few weeks !! Its classic coaching issues that are not being addressed. The buck stops with Kit end of. How much longer are we going to give him ?
Thanks for pointing this out Stu and I hope people at FFC are reading it. It precisely identifies the cause our troubles: Kit's coaching (or lack of it). New signings simply can't make up for rubbish management.
This just makes me angrier and angrier thinking about it. This idiot is wasting everyone's time! KIT OUT!
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 22, 2015, 04:09:26 PM
Well after absorbing the wise words of the current Manager, my immediate thought was to post a comment and relay my immediate thoughts.
Instead I took a deep breath and counted to 10,000. Then I went to my Gym and carried out my usual routine of chest and arm muscle groups which I tend to do on a Tuesday, to expend what access energy and strength I have these days, as at my age, I am not the man I was, but my heart makes me do it, even though my wife tells me I am a silly old fool and will give myself a cardiac arrest.
I showered and came back home, and read and listened to the article again.
Unfortunately I was still seething, I hadn't calmed down one iota, I felt like I could pull Oak trees out by their roots, I was that angry.
So all I want to say is to all the self righteous bleeding hearts and woolly headed supporters who have blindly defended the manager, have made themselves look as foolish as he has.
If you had any thought that this man could manage our club successfully, surely this was the final straw that broke the camels back.
He has embarrassed himself as well as his supporters.
Incompetence, inefficient, negligent, irresponsible, unqualified, are just a few adjectives to describe him.
This mans management technique and Sports psychology has torn up all previous manuals, and sent them into orbit. Surely He has just written his own resignation letter without realising it.
Also before you ask, despite all attempts, no I haven't calmed down, my wife has ordered me to go to the allotment, as she is fed up with me having a go at the spead ball hung up in my garage, so before I go to work tonight, I shall abscond to the garden shed and carry out 100 hundred press ups.
At my age, I thought I had heard it all, but after the latest pantomime by this manager, I have now.
+1
Thanks for the perspective Woolly - I thought I was getting too worked up for a middle aged man!
Perhaps what Kit lacks among his coaching staff is someone to drill the team in defensive techniques, someone who's been a defender (say a centre back) with a team that's been promoted from the Championship to the PL under a well-known and highly respected manager, even a foreign one. Someone who's perhaps been an international defender himself, even for a smaller nation, and perhaps has some experience assisting the manager of an international side.
Can anyone think of such a person who could lend Kit the experience and knowledge he evidently lacks?
The 47 man pass that led to United's 3rd goal against Southampton this weekend, was down to hours of training installed by Van Gaal, and his tactics. He, as a manager, is renown for long training periods, but it brings success. I bet he, his players aren't bored by it.
Quote from: Holders on September 22, 2015, 04:19:43 PM
Perhaps what Kit lacks among his coaching staff is someone to drill the team in defensive techniques, someone who's been a defender (say a centre back) with a team that's been promoted from the Championship to the PL under a well-known and highly respected manager, even a foreign one. Someone who's perhaps been an international defender himself, even for a smaller nation, and perhaps has some experience assisting the manager of an international side.
Can anyone think of such a person who could lend Kit the experience and knowledge he evidently lacks?
Why not just replace Kit? This goes way beyond defensive tactics - it shows that Kit isn't able to manage effectively. He's afraid he might make the team bored or offend them with hard work. He's obviously not a leader. Woolly is right - have you ever heard anything as ludicrous as this coming out of a manager's mouth?!
Quote from: rubbernecca on September 22, 2015, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: Holders on September 22, 2015, 04:19:43 PM
Perhaps what Kit lacks among his coaching staff is someone to drill the team in defensive techniques, someone who's been a defender (say a centre back) with a team that's been promoted from the Championship to the PL under a well-known and highly respected manager, even a foreign one. Someone who's perhaps been an international defender himself, even for a smaller nation, and perhaps has some experience assisting the manager of an international side.
Can anyone think of such a person who could lend Kit the experience and knowledge he evidently lacks?
Why not just replace Kit? This goes way beyond defensive tactics - it shows that Kit isn't able to manage effectively. He's afraid he might make the team bored or offend them with hard work. He's obviously not a leader. Woolly is right - have you ever heard anything as ludicrous as this coming out of a manager's mouth?!
I think you missed the irony in my description of Mr Symons himself.
Yes I agree, I posted the same thing over 24 hours before this post but people must have missed it.... the manager's comments were unbelievable.
I heard it first n the BBC web site after match comments... I posted immediately. I was surprised not to get any feedback at all because it was such a strange thing for him to have said, and I am pleased that this thread has been picked up by everyone else now.
I was also grateful that like me, somebody else has remembered that roy drilled the players endlessly....
They didn't like it but it paid dividends... the old gary player, the more I practice, the luckier I get syndrome!
I think our senior management need to have a long look at the manager's methods and a hard look at themselves too for allowing second rate techniques.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on September 22, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
The 47 man pass that led to United's 3rd goal against Southampton this weekend, was down to hours of training installed by Van Gaal, and his tactics. He, as a manager, is renown for long training periods, but it brings success. I bet he, his players aren't bored by it.
His players are allegedly bored, as were Roy's said to be at Liverpool but that's just tough. If a team is constantly letting in goals from set pieces then for chr1st's sake drill the overpaid spoilt lazy b*ggers until they stop it.
I'm sure Tigana drilled his side in passing when Fulham could emulate the sort of thing that Utd have just done.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 22, 2015, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 22, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
I think we all know what he meant when he said it. Not that they don't train for this but that spending the entire training session doing it is boring but they may have to sacrifice other things for this. After all the reason we defended so poorly for the goals was mainly down to the full backs and Dembele not picking up players or running with the players they were supposed to mark.
Symons no doubt will be gone soon enough and then we can all complain about the new manager.
or the new manager will know what he is doing and we won't have anything to complain about
it's amazing how many, coming into this job, have the right experience to get the most out of youth, have the remarkable CV for a club like ours, etc on the way in the door and know so little about how football should be played on the way out.
Quote from: Holders on September 22, 2015, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: rubbernecca on September 22, 2015, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: Holders on September 22, 2015, 04:19:43 PM
Perhaps what Kit lacks among his coaching staff is someone to drill the team in defensive techniques, someone who's been a defender (say a centre back) with a team that's been promoted from the Championship to the PL under a well-known and highly respected manager, even a foreign one. Someone who's perhaps been an international defender himself, even for a smaller nation, and perhaps has some experience assisting the manager of an international side.
Can anyone think of such a person who could lend Kit the experience and knowledge he evidently lacks?
Why not just replace Kit? This goes way beyond defensive tactics - it shows that Kit isn't able to manage effectively. He's afraid he might make the team bored or offend them with hard work. He's obviously not a leader. Woolly is right - have you ever heard anything as ludicrous as this coming out of a manager's mouth?!
I think you missed the irony in my description of Mr Symons himself.
Sorry Holders - I've lost it. Very funny post on the re-read.
Quote from: epsomraver on September 22, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
He also said after the abject display second half against Blackburn that " the players cannot keep up that performance for 90 minutes" really? you need to look at the fitness coaching and also perhaps the correct use of Subs
Agree. These are highly paid professionals and she absolutely be able to go 90 minutes. If they that unfit and unable to go 90 minutes then perhaps they need a reduction in pay?
Quote from: FPT on September 22, 2015, 12:48:04 PM
Roy did it - and got rid of those that didn't like it, i.e. Jimmy Bullard and brought in those with top professionalism and work rate, i.e. Damien Duff. Roy's team didn't have anybody not willing to put in 200% percent for the team.
Louis Van Gaal is another that puts in hours working on 11v11s and adjusting minute details in game. You've got to build a motor memory in your players in that it's natural for them to do what you want them to. That comes with repetition and correcting when wrong. These quotes from Kit (who I have been known to support) makes me feel he'll forever live in the Zola box of being too nice to succeed. He messes up here, where is he going to go? He got the job internally and kept it through connection to the club, I don't think he'll get another if he fails - so if anything, he's got to think about himself and the club.
If repetitive defending drills need to be done, then do them. If players don't like it, then that may be part of the problem. Once the defending is to a tee, then relax on it - that makes sense. Why be relaxed on defending drills when it's been the constant in our downfall.
Again, complete agree. There is no reason not to have long training sessions that are focused on defense. Kit should be saying "We'll be here all day and night, until we get it right".
As I said in my other thread,
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=49995.0 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=49995.0)
There are several things that Kit should be doing Repetitive drilling for.
• Defense – not just the back four but the midfield also as they should be dropping in and plugging holes preventing unmarked men from running into the box
• Transition – from defense to attacking and back to defense. To slow with no sense of urgency or purpose.
• Movement – both on and off the ball. Players need to offer better support for the play at hand.
• Staying strong – it's the Championship, expect that you are going to get knocked of the ball the second you get it. Toughen up for Pete's sake.
Quote from: rubbernecca on September 22, 2015, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 22, 2015, 04:09:26 PM
Well after absorbing the wise words of the current Manager, my immediate thought was to post a comment and relay my immediate thoughts.
Instead I took a deep breath and counted to 10,000. Then I went to my Gym and carried out my usual routine of chest and arm muscle groups which I tend to do on a Tuesday, to expend what access energy and strength I have these days, as at my age, I am not the man I was, but my heart makes me do it, even though my wife tells me I am a silly old fool and will give myself a cardiac arrest.
I showered and came back home, and read and listened to the article again.
Unfortunately I was still seething, I hadn't calmed down one iota, I felt like I could pull Oak trees out by their roots, I was that angry.
So all I want to say is to all the self righteous bleeding hearts and woolly headed supporters who have blindly defended the manager, have made themselves look as foolish as he has.
If you had any thought that this man could manage our club successfully, surely this was the final straw that broke the camels back.
He has embarrassed himself as well as his supporters.
Incompetence, inefficient, negligent, irresponsible, unqualified, are just a few adjectives to describe him.
This mans management technique and Sports psychology has torn up all previous manuals, and sent them into orbit. Surely He has just written his own resignation letter without realising it.
Also before you ask, despite all attempts, no I haven't calmed down, my wife has ordered me to go to the allotment, as she is fed up with me having a go at the spead ball hung up in my garage, so before I go to work tonight, I shall abscond to the garden shed and carry out 100 hundred press ups.
At my age, I thought I had heard it all, but after the latest pantomime by this manager, I have now.
+1
Thanks for the perspective Woolly - I thought I was getting too worked up for a middle aged man!
Amazed you didn't include the blow-up doll.
How depressing are the revelations on this thread. Perhaps he hasn't realised that the performance required to win at Championship level is far above what is needed with the junior sides, when he is coaching youngsters who (in my experience) sometimes have the attention span of a goldfish.
It looks as if his expectations of the senior squad have not increased above what he expected of the juniors. Probably with those few words that crept out too easily he has highlighted the very crux of the problem. Work them hard. If they're not enthusiastic, bench them. If they're not interested, dump them.
If they're bored at all they should be doing something else.
OK, this is exactly what was said...
When Kit said that he was disappointed that we conceded from 3 set pieces, the reporter asked him "how easy is it going to be to correct that?", and his response was as follows:
"Well it should be easy, people mark the man they are meant to be marking and get their head to the ball first, that should be blatantly easy. It's not a difficult art, but its a desire and its doing your jobs. So its one of them. You do that, hours and hours on the training field, doing that, and we may need to start doing that, but we certainly do our set pieces, attacking and defensively, we cover it, we work on it, its boring for the players, they don't enjoy doing it, but maybe that's what we need to start doing if we concede three like that in a game maybe we will have to start doing it..."
So its not as if they don't do it, but it looks like much more is needed... And if that is what it takes to shore up the defence, then they need to accept that - both the coaching staff in terms of drilling the players, and the players accepting that whilst it may be boring it is necessary!
When you look around at the 1st team coaching staff, none of them have any experience of note in first team football.
They have all been promoted 2 or 3 levels simply because they happened to be mates of Symons.
Even Pembridge who as far as I can see is the only one with a pedigree as a player was coaching school boys not long ago.
I'm sure they all have their coaching badges but I really can't see them being tough on the training ground, they all look soft to me.
There are many ways to enthuse, gee up the players or whatever but these guys look good with a clip board or a lap top but are failing to put a spark into our players.
I was under the impression that Kit was an INTERNATIONAL defender, admittedly for Wales when they were not so strong as now. Surely this would give him some idea of how to defend set pieces and teach the squad; this has been our main weakness for a long time.
It appears that a former international defender cannot teach the team the basics of defence and inspire them to play for more than 45 minutes at best. Please Mr Khan quickly bring in someone who can while we still have an outside chance of making the play-offs and before we get dragged into another relegation fight.
Quote from: Burt on September 22, 2015, 05:50:41 PM
OK, this is exactly what was said...
When Kit said that he was disappointed that we conceded from 3 set pieces, the reporter asked him "how easy is it going to be to correct that?", and his response was as follows:
"Well it should be easy, people mark the man they are meant to be marking and get their head to the ball first, that should be blatantly easy. It's not a difficult art, but its a desire and its doing your jobs. So its one of them. You do that, hours and hours on the training field, doing that, and we may need to start doing that, but we certainly do our set pieces, attacking and defensively, we cover it, we work on it, its boring for the players, they don't enjoy doing it, but maybe that's what we need to start doing if we concede three like that in a game maybe we will have to start doing it..."
So its not as if they don't do it, but it looks like much more is needed... And if that is what it takes to shore up the defence, then they need to accept that - both the coaching staff in terms of drilling the players, and the players accepting that whilst it may be boring it is necessary!
The word MAYBE is the key. See my initial post. Yes of course they practice, but he saying that Maybe they should do more, however the players do find it boring. What the xxxx has the players finding it boring got to do with it and why say maybe at all ??
I have strongly supported Kit and have felt that many were very harsh on him. After that comment, I'm at a loss. It is so blatantly obvious that the way you beat Fulham is get set pieces and you'll soon score. Good lord! My apologies to those I had a go at over Kit. If an old yank can see that on a computer monitor, why hasn't Kit? That begs the question, what others forest can't he see because of the trees?
Sam? Calling big Sam.
Quote from: Burt on September 22, 2015, 05:50:41 PM
OK, this is exactly what was said...
When Kit said that he was disappointed that we conceded from 3 set pieces, the reporter asked him "how easy is it going to be to correct that?", and his response was as follows:
"Well it should be easy, people mark the man they are meant to be marking and get their head to the ball first, that should be blatantly easy. It's not a difficult art, but its a desire and its doing your jobs. So its one of them. You do that, hours and hours on the training field, doing that, and we may need to start doing that, but we certainly do our set pieces, attacking and defensively, we cover it, we work on it, its boring for the players, they don't enjoy doing it, but maybe that's what we need to start doing if we concede three like that in a game maybe we will have to start doing it..."
So its not as if they don't do it, but it looks like much more is needed... And if that is what it takes to shore up the defence, then they need to accept that - both the coaching staff in terms of drilling the players, and the players accepting that whilst it may be boring it is necessary!
The thing that blows my mind though is the timing of it. If it hadn't been an issue until Saturday, I could understand his comments. Its a little threat to the players - start doing your jobs or training is about to become very tedious indeed.
But this trait goes way back into last season. It has been our achilles heel for ages. To only just be recognising it as an issue know is unbelievably naive. It just confirms everything I suspected of Kit since day one. Nice guy but not a leader.
If I were Khan and I read those comments I would want to have a serious discussion with Kit. But Khan hasn't seen those comments and he probably hasn't even seen the goals from the weekend yet because he's too busy tailgating at a Jaguars game high fiving fellow yanks.
Quote from: JDH101 on September 22, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Burt on September 22, 2015, 05:50:41 PM
OK, this is exactly what was said...
When Kit said that he was disappointed that we conceded from 3 set pieces, the reporter asked him "how easy is it going to be to correct that?", and his response was as follows:
"Well it should be easy, people mark the man they are meant to be marking and get their head to the ball first, that should be blatantly easy. It's not a difficult art, but its a desire and its doing your jobs. So its one of them. You do that, hours and hours on the training field, doing that, and we may need to start doing that, but we certainly do our set pieces, attacking and defensively, we cover it, we work on it, its boring for the players, they don't enjoy doing it, but maybe that's what we need to start doing if we concede three like that in a game maybe we will have to start doing it..."
So its not as if they don't do it, but it looks like much more is needed... And if that is what it takes to shore up the defence, then they need to accept that - both the coaching staff in terms of drilling the players, and the players accepting that whilst it may be boring it is necessary!
The thing that blows my mind though is the timing of it. If it hadn't been an issue until Saturday, I could understand his comments. Its a little threat to the players - start doing your jobs or training is about to become very tedious indeed.
But this trait goes way back into last season. It has been our achilles heel for ages. To only just be recognising it as an issue know is unbelievably naive. It just confirms everything I suspected of Kit since day one. Nice guy but not a leader.
If I were Khan and I read those comments I would want to have a serious discussion with Kit. But Khan hasn't seen those comments and he probably hasn't even seen the goals from the weekend yet because he's too busy tailgating at a Jaguars game high fiving fellow yanks.
You were acurate until the last sentence. Glad to see that you
know what Khan sees and does. Cheap shot, my good man.
Quote from: YankeeJim on September 22, 2015, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: JDH101 on September 22, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Burt on September 22, 2015, 05:50:41 PM
OK, this is exactly what was said...
When Kit said that he was disappointed that we conceded from 3 set pieces, the reporter asked him "how easy is it going to be to correct that?", and his response was as follows:
"Well it should be easy, people mark the man they are meant to be marking and get their head to the ball first, that should be blatantly easy. It's not a difficult art, but its a desire and its doing your jobs. So its one of them. You do that, hours and hours on the training field, doing that, and we may need to start doing that, but we certainly do our set pieces, attacking and defensively, we cover it, we work on it, its boring for the players, they don't enjoy doing it, but maybe that's what we need to start doing if we concede three like that in a game maybe we will have to start doing it..."
So its not as if they don't do it, but it looks like much more is needed... And if that is what it takes to shore up the defence, then they need to accept that - both the coaching staff in terms of drilling the players, and the players accepting that whilst it may be boring it is necessary!
The thing that blows my mind though is the timing of it. If it hadn't been an issue until Saturday, I could understand his comments. Its a little threat to the players - start doing your jobs or training is about to become very tedious indeed.
But this trait goes way back into last season. It has been our achilles heel for ages. To only just be recognising it as an issue know is unbelievably naive. It just confirms everything I suspected of Kit since day one. Nice guy but not a leader.
If I were Khan and I read those comments I would want to have a serious discussion with Kit. But Khan hasn't seen those comments and he probably hasn't even seen the goals from the weekend yet because he's too busy tailgating at a Jaguars game high fiving fellow yanks.
You were acurate until the last sentence. Glad to see that you know what Khan sees and does. Cheap shot, my good man.
I do know. I live out 'here'. To be fair, it was a cheap shot - sorry - my point being - he is never at a Fulham game so how do we know if he cares or see's whats going on?
If I had a choice of tailgating at a Jags game or watching Fulham play under Kit, I know what I would choose!
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 22, 2015, 04:09:26 PM
Well after absorbing the wise words of the current Manager, my immediate thought was to post a comment and relay my immediate thoughts.
Instead I took a deep breath and counted to 10,000. Then I went to my Gym and carried out my usual routine of chest and arm muscle groups which I tend to do on a Tuesday, to expend what access energy and strength I have these days, as at my age, I am not the man I was, but my heart makes me do it, even though my wife tells me I am a silly old fool and will give myself a cardiac arrest.
I showered and came back home, and read and listened to the article again.
Unfortunately I was still seething, I hadn't calmed down one iota, I felt like I could pull Oak trees out by their roots, I was that angry.
So all I want to say is to all the self righteous bleeding hearts and woolly headed supporters who have blindly defended the manager, have made themselves look as foolish as he has.
If you had any thought that this man could manage our club successfully, surely this was the final straw that broke the camels back.
He has embarrassed himself as well as his supporters.
Incompetence, inefficient, negligent, irresponsible, unqualified, are just a few adjectives to describe him.
This mans management technique and Sports psychology has torn up all previous manuals, and sent them into orbit. Surely He has just written his own resignation letter without realising it.
Also before you ask, despite all attempts, no I haven't calmed down, my wife has ordered me to go to the allotment, as she is fed up with me having a go at the spead ball hung up in my garage, so before I go to work tonight, I shall abscond to the garden shed and carry out 100 hundred press ups.
At my age, I thought I had heard it all, but after the latest pantomime by this manager, I have now.
+1
Thanks for the perspective Woolly - I thought I was getting too worked up for a middle aged man!
Amazed you didn't include the blow-up doll.
I forgot to mention the Blow Up Doll, because that actually burst, at the end of last season, when it became clear that the manager was being kept on.
Quote from: JDH101 on September 22, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on September 22, 2015, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: JDH101 on September 22, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Burt on September 22, 2015, 05:50:41 PM
OK, this is exactly what was said...
When Kit said that he was disappointed that we conceded from 3 set pieces, the reporter asked him "how easy is it going to be to correct that?", and his response was as follows:
"Well it should be easy, people mark the man they are meant to be marking and get their head to the ball first, that should be blatantly easy. It's not a difficult art, but its a desire and its doing your jobs. So its one of them. You do that, hours and hours on the training field, doing that, and we may need to start doing that, but we certainly do our set pieces, attacking and defensively, we cover it, we work on it, its boring for the players, they don't enjoy doing it, but maybe that's what we need to start doing if we concede three like that in a game maybe we will have to start doing it..."
So its not as if they don't do it, but it looks like much more is needed... And if that is what it takes to shore up the defence, then they need to accept that - both the coaching staff in terms of drilling the players, and the players accepting that whilst it may be boring it is necessary!
The thing that blows my mind though is the timing of it. If it hadn't been an issue until Saturday, I could understand his comments. Its a little threat to the players - start doing your jobs or training is about to become very tedious indeed.
But this trait goes way back into last season. It has been our achilles heel for ages. To only just be recognising it as an issue know is unbelievably naive. It just confirms everything I suspected of Kit since day one. Nice guy but not a leader.
If I were Khan and I read those comments I would want to have a serious discussion with Kit. But Khan hasn't seen those comments and he probably hasn't even seen the goals from the weekend yet because he's too busy tailgating at a Jaguars game high fiving fellow yanks.
You were acurate until the last sentence. Glad to see that you know what Khan sees and does. Cheap shot, my good man.
I do know. I live out 'here'. To be fair, it was a cheap shot - sorry - my point being - he is never at a Fulham game so how do we know if he cares or see's whats going on?
If I had a choice of tailgating at a Jags game or watching Fulham play under Kit, I know what I would choose!
So it's either he flies the atlantic every week to see Fulham play (sorry, three times this week) and then flies back to be with the Jaguars, and don't forget his other business, the one that makes all the money to run both teams, I guess he needs to make an appearance there as well.
If you were in his position, where would YOU be each day Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat this week? The simple facts are; he owns the club; he is a busy man, he has two sports teams to run, and a business, and for us to believe that he HAS to be in attendance at the Cottage, or any away grounds, during the season might be somewhat presumptuous I feel. Then to make the assumption that his not being present impacts his decision-making and to deride his commitment to the club on that basis seems to be making comments based on assumptions that have no basis in fact, solely on one's own outlook, without the ability to be in the subjects actual position.
I would love for Khan to be at every match, home and away, not that I believe it would either affect his decisions about the club, or it would deflect the criticism from those fans that wish we were owned by somebody else, however, but we all have our own pov on the same subject and long may we have them, and be able to air them.
As for Kits comments, you are spot on, poor judgement in his comments appear to reflect his poor judgement in both training and tactics, and don't start me off on his subbing! :005:
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Too many long balls.
If people are honest how can we be surprised. We have been defending like we don't practice for months and months.
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I forgot to mention the Blow Up Doll, because that actually burst, at the end of last season, when it became clear that the manager was being kept on.
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Too many long balls.
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and far too much dribbling.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 22, 2015, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: OdecaMynoT on September 22, 2015, 08:04:32 PM
I forgot to mention the Blow Up Doll, because that actually burst, at the end of last season, when it became clear that the manager was being kept on.
Too many long balls.
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Quote from: OdecaMynoT on September 22, 2015, 08:04:32 PM
I forgot to mention the Blow Up Doll, because that actually burst, at the end of last season, when it became clear that the manager was being kept on.
Too many long balls.
and far too much dribbling.
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Never having been to England, I didn't think we were that different. However, that has got to hurt. :005:
Why not get the manager to tell the players they are a goal down before the game starts, it seems to be the only way to get them to play as they did against Stoke in the second half.
Kit's an idiot.
Quote from: Burt on September 22, 2015, 05:50:41 PM
OK, this is exactly what was said...
When Kit said that he was disappointed that we conceded from 3 set pieces, the reporter asked him "how easy is it going to be to correct that?", and his response was as follows:
"Well it should be easy, people mark the man they are meant to be marking and get their head to the ball first, that should be blatantly easy. It's not a difficult art, but its a desire and its doing your jobs. So its one of them. You do that, hours and hours on the training field, doing that, and we may need to start doing that, but we certainly do our set pieces, attacking and defensively, we cover it, we work on it, its boring for the players, they don't enjoy doing it, but maybe that's what we need to start doing if we concede three like that in a game maybe we will have to start doing it..."
So its not as if they don't do it, but it looks like much more is needed... And if that is what it takes to shore up the defence, then they need to accept that - both the coaching staff in terms of drilling the players, and the players accepting that whilst it may be boring it is necessary!
Thanks Burt for this - I can't see anything wrong with Kit's comment, and it has been taken out of context.
He's trying to answer a difficult question, give an explanation when he obviously knows that the players should be able to defend set pieces - to mark up properly, which is an elementary thing that all schoolkids know and try to do - well, I certainly did- 'mark-up' was the cry at corners.
And I'm sure that Kit and the players do regularly practise set pieces - but practise in training doesn't always translate to the pressures of a match, but Kit is trying to give a, feeble maybe, explanation, and states that the players should practise more in future.
He didn't choose his words wisely at the spur of the moment, but to crucify him for what he said is ridiculous. We played well against Stoke didn't we? as in other games this season- Kit will stand and fall by results, but let's get behind him and the team.
From the interview with Alex Ferguson on SS, a couple of key comments stuck out that seemed to have relevance to this discussion and on recovering from defeat:
"My purpose after that was to make sure it never happened again. I would tell my players at the end of the game in no uncertain terms and I would always try to find the reason why we lost that game. The next match was another one and I made sure I was going to win that next match."
"That purpose and determination is something that's in you. It's either there or it's not there."
Firstly, I don't see any of this type of purpose or determination from Kit in his pressers or any of his public appearances. Also his comments regarding the way we have conceded goals is the complete opposite attitude to that displayed by Ferguson, the greatest manager of all time. Instead of really drilling down into why we conceded the goals and making sure it doesn't happen again he has skirted around the teams failings. How can you prioritize players enjoying the sessions over working hard (and sometimes tediously) to ensure results?
Just further evidence that Kit is not cut out for this gig in my opinion.
Quote from: Joseffc on September 24, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
From the interview with Alex Ferguson on SS, a couple of key comments stuck out that seemed to have relevance to this discussion and on recovering from defeat:
"My purpose after that was to make sure it never happened again. I would tell my players at the end of the game in no uncertain terms and I would always try to find the reason why we lost that game. The next match was another one and I made sure I was going to win that next match."
"That purpose and determination is something that's in you. It's either there or it's not there."
Firstly, I don't see any of this type of purpose or determination from Kit in his pressers or any of his public appearances. Also his comments regarding the way we have conceded goals is the complete opposite attitude to that displayed by Ferguson, the greatest manager of all time. Instead of really drilling down into why we conceded the goals and making sure it doesn't happen again he has skirted around the teams failings. How can you prioritize players enjoying the sessions over working hard (and sometimes tediously) to ensure results?
Just further evidence that Kit is not cut out for this gig in my opinion.
You're right. Unless you are blessed with unbelievable attacking talent(Barcelona), most successful teams need to know how to defend. When Roy was here he worked the players constantly on shape and how to keep a tight defence. Yes, the players found it boring but at the end of the day they knew it brought results. When Roy was at Liverpool he was disrespected by the so-called big shot players who whinged and moaned until he was eventually given the boot. Look at Liverpool now, suffering the same problems and needing penalty kicks to get past Carlisle. Liverpool Football Club and fans deserve the mess they are in after the way they treated Roy. As far as Fulham are concerned I at the very least want a manager that seems able to set up the team with the ability to hold its shape and make it hard for the opposite team to score, not to have a free for all on every set piece. I personally can't see much more than a very mediocre finish in the table under Kit but that may be enough to keep some happy.
Frankly I'm not surprised, that ideology shows in the players and the subsequent results. Nice fella but not good enough to get us back where we belong.
Whoever said he's too matey with the players is spot on
We do need to make allowances here.
First - when under the media spotlight you may end up saying stuff that just didn't come out right. Kit is still learning his trade from a PR perspective.
Second - we actually don't know what they do during training and I am always cautious about speculating in the absence of facts...
We did quite well against Stoke. Lets see what happens Friday night... 082.gif
Quote from: Burt on September 24, 2015, 01:03:03 PM
We do need to make allowances here.
First - when under the media spotlight you may end up saying stuff that just didn't come out right. Kit is still learning his trade from a PR perspective.
Second - we actually don't know what they do during training and I am always cautious about speculating in the absence of facts...
We did quite well against Stoke. Lets see what happens Friday night... 082.gif
Fair enough with regards to the way the media are handled, appreciate this may take some getting used to, although Symons has been in the job for roughly a year now.
On training, just look at our coaching staff, and their experience within the game (or lack thereof)
It is not the players that don't like it it is the managers and the coaches that have to watch and constantly criticise the players.
Quote from: Andy S on September 24, 2015, 01:37:53 PM
It is not the players that don't like it it is the managers and the coaches that have to watch and constantly criticise the players.
Surely that is part of your job being in football? To practice the routinely boring stuff over and over again so that it occurs naturally in a match environment?
Whether the manager, coaches or players like it, it's a necessity.
His comments show massive complacency to me, which is absolutley stunning as it's not as if we are doing well!
It's a good job he didn't refer to the 'swarms' of Fulham fans.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 24, 2015, 01:40:15 PM
There are no excuses for Symons anymore. If as some on here have more patience than me happen to say he is still learning, then what on earth is he doing in the job in the first place, as in the second place, he isn't qualified, and in the third place, he should be learning his trade at Two Bob Rovers FC, in the fourth place, he is so far out of his depth, he is drowning in his own incompetence, and in the fifth place, if at his age he cannot handle the media spotlight, and is prone to gaffs, as well as when he isn't in the media spotlight, then I don't know what it takes to convince people, that he is in the wrong job.
Also in the sixth place, not all Donkey Jackets have Donkeys in them.
100% agree WM the desperation of hoping a manager learns on the job is really smalltime stuff.
If he was showing a flair for the job and made the occasional mistake then maybe, but that's not the case.
Talking about case's I'm beginning to think that the club may as well have put the parachute money in one and slung it in the thames.
Quote from: Burt on September 24, 2015, 01:03:03 PM
We do need to make allowances here.
First - when under the media spotlight you may end up saying stuff that just didn't come out right. Kit is still learning his trade from a PR perspective.
Second - we actually don't know what they do during training and I am always cautious about speculating in the absence of facts...
We did quite well against Stoke. Lets see what happens Friday night... 082.gif
It's good to be positive, but I can't see how anyone can be positive about Kit. When the equally lethargic Jol said things like "what, you expect us to beat Man U?" and "It's not my job to motivate the players" in press conferences it was obvious he had to go. But this was the start of Khan's clueless tenure. Now we have Kit saying that maybe they need to start practicing defending set pieces more. Do you really think Kit suddenly becomes different at Motspur Park?
Kit has said today, that it is a joy to take training at the moment. Does that mean that we are still not doing boring stuff like defending
Wonder what Alex Ferguson would have said if any of his players said they were bored?
Quote from: win-dup on September 24, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
Wonder what Alex Ferguson would have said if any of his players said they were bored?
I suspect his face would have gotten as red as a beet and there would have been blood on the pitch. I'd like to see some of that fire from kit.
Not sure why you guys waste your time spewing your disgust in here when you could be constructively sewing up your own Kit voodoo dolls and collecting pins to stick in.
Some of the crap you "infer" (it's more akin to word twisting) is just ridiculous. :028:
We completed the construction of the Voodoo dolls including pins for the current Manager quite a while ago, but we are currently working on, and in the process of constructing a special one for you. It's only in the early stages of development, but we can assure you, that you will be flattered and pleasantly surprised.
You can't expect any better than that.
Is no one going to admit that Kit's comments have been taken out of context?
No? Just going to use it to your advantage to slag him off?
Oh okay then. Brilliant.
So this is a little Kit hate fest thread for that clique who find strength in mutual support.
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on September 25, 2015, 08:40:30 AM
Is no one going to admit that Kit's comments have been taken out of context?
No? Just going to use it to your advantage to slag him off?
Oh okay then. Brilliant.
I've listened to the whole thing and read the whole thing in its correct context and I still find it a stupid thing to say.
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Quote from: Wimbledon_White on September 25, 2015, 08:40:30 AM
Is no one going to admit that Kit's comments have been taken out of context?
No? Just going to use it to your advantage to slag him off?
Oh okay then. Brilliant.
I've listened to the whole thing and read the whole thing in its correct context and I still find it a stupid thing to say.
You and others here are correct that what was said could have and should have been worded better. But, to infer the things that have been inferred from it - and "inference" is a generous description - is just unfair.
It's fine to me that some don't like Kit as a manager but, manufacturing faults to undermine opinions of him is just poor form. Not a soul on this board is privy to Kits talks with his players yet, so many on here seem to know the character of everything he says and use that "knowledge" to lay fault at his feet.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on September 25, 2015, 01:52:23 PM
Quote from: Reznor on September 25, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on September 25, 2015, 08:40:30 AM
Is no one going to admit that Kit's comments have been taken out of context?
No? Just going to use it to your advantage to slag him off?
Oh okay then. Brilliant.
I've listened to the whole thing and read the whole thing in its correct context and I still find it a stupid thing to say.
You and others here are correct that what was said could have and should have been worded better. But, to infer the things that have been inferred from it - and "inference" is a generous description - is just unfair.
It's fine to me that some don't like Kit as a manager but, manufacturing faults to undermine opinions of him is just poor form. Not a soul on this board is privy to Kits talks with his players yet, so many on here seem to know the character of everything he says and use that "knowledge" to lay fault at his feet.
But that is the manner in which to blacken somebody even further isn't it?
Yes, this has been taken to the hilt, with interpretations going in every different direction, except, perhaps any that might provide some relief from the Kit-hate campaign.
What is so disastrous is that, since the end of Woy days, we have had this same thing for every manager since, so it should come as no surprise that it's Kits turn. Nothing personal against Kit of course, it's just because he's the manager, that's the long and short of it.
Quote from: Logicalman on September 25, 2015, 03:36:25 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on September 25, 2015, 01:52:23 PM
Quote from: Reznor on September 25, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on September 25, 2015, 08:40:30 AM
Is no one going to admit that Kit's comments have been taken out of context?
No? Just going to use it to your advantage to slag him off?
Oh okay then. Brilliant.
I've listened to the whole thing and read the whole thing in its correct context and I still find it a stupid thing to say.
You and others here are correct that what was said could have and should have been worded better. But, to infer the things that have been inferred from it - and "inference" is a generous description - is just unfair.
It's fine to me that some don't like Kit as a manager but, manufacturing faults to undermine opinions of him is just poor form. Not a soul on this board is privy to Kits talks with his players yet, so many on here seem to know the character of everything he says and use that "knowledge" to lay fault at his feet.
But that is the manner in which to blacken somebody even further isn't it?
Yes, this has been taken to the hilt, with interpretations going in every different direction, except, perhaps any that might provide some relief from the Kit-hate campaign.
What is so disastrous is that, since the end of Woy days, we have had this same thing for every manager since, so it should come as no surprise that it's Kits turn. Nothing personal against Kit of course, it's just because he's the manager, that's the long and short of it.
Someone on here posted that Kit had been given twelve games to prove himself. I think that's very fair, to Kit and to both supporter camps. Hopefully, it's true. And, if folks believe it to be true, then bygones should be bygones and they should get behind Kit and the team 100% on and off the field. Let the chips fall where they may come the week of game 13.
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on September 25, 2015, 08:40:30 AM
Is no one going to admit that Kit's comments have been taken out of context?
No? Just going to use it to your advantage to slag him off?
Oh okay then. Brilliant.
I've come to the conclusion that you just like slagging off peoples opinions, just as much as they like slagging off Kit Symons. If we got MJG to run one of his statistical Thingymebobs, I bet your slagging off of peoples opinions, outweighs those who slag off Kit.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on September 24, 2015, 08:26:48 PM
Not sure why you guys waste your time spewing your disgust in here when you could be constructively sewing up your own Kit voodoo dolls and collecting pins to stick in.
Some of the crap you "infer" (it's more akin to word twisting) is just ridiculous. :028:
No you are ridiculous McToot - make love to your Kit Symons inflatable doll!
Quote from: Wearethewhites on September 25, 2015, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on September 25, 2015, 08:40:30 AM
Is no one going to admit that Kit's comments have been taken out of context?
No? Just going to use it to your advantage to slag him off?
Oh okay then. Brilliant.
I've come to the conclusion that you just like slagging off peoples opinions, just as much as they like slagging off Kit Symons. If we got MJG to run one of his statistical Thingymebobs, I bet your slagging off of peoples opinions, outweighs those who slag off Kit.
+1
Kit has proven that he is a below average Championship manager.
So can we have a bit more balance now please. Those who argue objectively that Kit is not right for the job, fine. I think you have made some valid points and will still have concerns I am sure, even after yesterday.
Those who have made it personal, insulted him, questioned his intelligence and his character, sworn at him. You know who you are, hang your heads in shame. There is no place in Fulham for that sort of hatred or bigotry.
Kit does seem to be learning with the subs. That's two games running he has got it right, including the timings. People forget it is a completely new team here which will take time to gel, but at least he is picking a faily consistent team to give them the opportunity to do that. I've thought all along we had a good set of players.
I know last night is only one game, but NOTHING will give me more pleasure than to say I misjudged kit and the situation. Jury still out but could we have turned the corner?
Football is such a confidence game......
Quote from: Twig on September 26, 2015, 05:45:56 AM
So can we have a bit more balance now please. Those who argue objectively that Kit is not right for the job, fine. I think you have made some valid points and will still have concerns I am sure, even after yesterday.
Those who have made it personal, insulted him, questioned his intelligence and his character, sworn at him. You know who you are, hang your heads in shame. There is no place in Fulham for that sort of hatred or bigotry.
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