WHY STEVE CLARKE DEAL WITH FULHAM COLLAPSED AT ELEVENTH HOUR
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By Editor Wayne Veysey| Former Evening Standard, Press Association and Goal chief correspondent with 17 years experience of breaking big stories, including exclusives like this
Fulham's move to appoint Steve Clarke collapsed after he tried to renegotiate lucrative top-up bonuses, Football Insider sources understand.
Clarke had agreed the terms of a contract with Craven Cottage chiefs in midweek before making a U-turn that antagonised the Londoners and left him with no option but to remain at Reading.
A Fulham source told Football Insider: "Steve Clarke had agreed the contract with [Fulham owner] Shahid Khan. It was then passed over to Clarke's agent Phil Smith who wanted to renegotiate more money.
"The structure of the basic salary was fine. It was additional elements that was the problem, the bonuses. The tweaks [to the contract] were so substantial that Fulham were not willing to consider them. Shahid Khan said, 'no thanks, we won't be doing that'."
The collapse in negotiations meant Clarke was forced to return to Reading and pledge his future to the Championship promotion hopefuls after requesting permission to hold talks with Fulham earlier in the week.
The London club then made another move for Nigel Pearson, who had their original candidate to succeed Kit Symons but, as revealed by Football Insider last Friday, talks hit a snag due to the cost of the former Leicester manager's backroom team.
Steve Walsh and Craig Shakespeare, Pearson's long-time assistants, have remained on the coaching staff at Walkers Stadium following Claudio Ranieri's summer appointment and are unwilling to drop to the Championship unless the Londoners can match their lucrative Leicester deals.
The cost of appointing Pearson and the duo is prohibitive for Fulham and they have now moved on to other targets as they bide their time before making an appointment.
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Costly deal: Nigel Pearson has been unable to agree a deal due to cost of his assistants
Peter Grant took charge of the team for Saturday's 1-1 draw MK Dons, but insisted afterwards he is only a caretaker and will not be taking the job permanently.
Symons was dismissed following Fulham's defeat to Birmingham before the international break, which left the Cottagers 12th in the Championship table, eight points off the play-off places.
Khan said he wanted to take the west London club "to a higher level of success" as they seek a return to the Premier League following relegation in 2014.
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If this is true what has happened to the principle of 'my word is my bond'?
Pleased the Club refused to give into the agent's cynical brinkmanship. Pity about Pearson. Time for Jokanovic to enter the frame.
Veysey is one of the biggest hacks going; not defending the club here...far from it, I think the club is a circus currently, but don't believe a word this prat writes.
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I wonder if clarke will last the season out with Reading . You would have to think they no longer think he is there for the long haul, so if results dont go his way it could get very sticky for him.
Looks like briefed by club in response to Clarke's Friday rant. Not unsurprising and to be expected.
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Quote from: colinwhite on November 22, 2015, 01:09:24 PM
I wonder if clarke will last the season out with Reading . You would have to think they no longer think he is there for the long haul, so if results dont go his way it could get very sticky for him.
yeah silly move by clarke. declared his hand, talked to another club and then backed out. Reading Board and fans will never trust him again.
If this is true then well done Khan. 065.gif
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Money, money , money. Mercenaries are expensive, especially ones that we think may deliver.
WE have to spot talent in a lower division, Jimmy Floyed Hasslebank or go for an ex player, Danny Murphy.
Quote from: filham on November 22, 2015, 01:24:01 PM
WE have to spot talent in a lower division, Jimmy Floyed Hasslebank or go for an ex player, Danny Murphy.
JFH is QPR-bound according to C5 last night...
Good for you Mr Khan. Clarke will get the sack soon & then he will have nothing but regrets for being greedy.
Thank goodness we have Khan rather than the owners of Reading, Hull, Cardiff, QPR, & a host of others with dubious owners.
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on November 22, 2015, 01:05:16 PM
Veysey is one of the biggest hacks going; not defending the club here...far from it, I think the club is a circus currently, but don't believe a word this prat writes.
Goal.com similarly
That he may be, but I reckon that there is more than a whiff of reason to this particular article.
Nogood "just a one-liner today, isit" Boyo
Quote from: gang on November 22, 2015, 12:43:31 PM
If this is true what has happened to the principle of 'my word is my bond'?
It disappeared when agents began to rule.
After reading this, I'm more than happy to do without either Clarke or Pearson.
This does indeed ring true - and indeed briefed by the club
Ah well shows how hard it is to do anything except out of work managers and sorting things out before sacking the incumbent
Quote from: Neil D on November 22, 2015, 12:48:20 PM
Pleased the Club refused to give into the agent's cynical brinkmanship. Pity about Pearson. Time for Jokanovic to enter the frame.
Jokanovic for me too.
It is credible, and if true shows how misplaced has been some of the criticism of how the Club have been acting in trying to replace Kit.
Hopefully they will find someone without the expensive baggage of of Pearson and without the greed of Clarke.
I'm pleased whe didn't come her tbh.
He plays very negative/dirty football imho
Quote from: Wimbledon_White on November 22, 2015, 01:05:16 PM
Veysey is one of the biggest hacks going; not defending the club here...far from it, I think the club is a circus currently, but don't believe a word this prat writes.
Goal.com similarly
Be interesting to see if Clarke comes out to deny the claims then, won't it. This rings more truth than fiction to me.
I still believe Clarke could have been good for us, so in saying that, our best hope is that Reading are so peeved with him they do get shot of him and if we are still without a manager/coach/whatever then we make him the same offer and he accepts, and we tell his agent to take the expected hike.
I can see a number of believable truths in what was written, including the Pearson debacle. Unfortunately for Pearson, if he is standing firm with demanding his back room staff (and their cost) for any prospective employer, then he could find himself out of luck, unless another Prem team comes knocking.
If this is correct Pearson will struggle to get a club at all if he wants his old Leicester team with him, not sure they will want to leave a club at the top of the Premiership.
He could be a long time unemployed.
For the past week or so I have been critical of the manner in which this manager search seemed to be going and was putting a lot of blame on our Mr Rigg.
In view of the above it is now clear that in pulling out of these deals Riggs acted professionaly and did the best thing for the club. No way must we be seen to be ripped off by these characters who put money well above other qualities and are really trying to rip us off.
Respecct for Riggs should now be on the increase, lets hope he can come up with something good next week.
Quote from: Bill2 on November 22, 2015, 04:45:19 PM
If this is correct Pearson will struggle to get a club at all if he wants his old Leicester team with him, not sure they will want to leave a club at the top of the Premiership.
He could be a long time unemployed.
Indeed. He needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
Quote from: bog on November 22, 2015, 01:23:12 PM
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Absolutely. Clarke looks an idiot.accepted the offeramd remains at Reading based on what his agent demanded rather than what he claimed on Friday. Haha.
Listening to the CEO of Reading on Friday, I don't think Clarke will be there long.
he is on borrowed time. a few bad results and gone
Agreed Pearson will struggle to get another position if he doesn't reconsider his back room staff demands, I guess it's an option that's financially unavailable to us, given FFP etc. That said, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated where, if we gain promotion under Pearson we could agree to then bring his support staff in? Maybe I'm a little naive but that could work....maybe....
Quote from: Bedford White on November 22, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
Agreed Pearson will struggle to get another position if he doesn't reconsider his back room staff demands, I guess it's an option that's financially unavailable to us, given FFP etc. That said, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated where, if we gain promotion under Pearson we could agree to then bring his support staff in? Maybe I'm a little naive but that could work....maybe....
if we got promoted without the back room staff, why would we need them?
Quote from: Bedford White on November 22, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
Agreed Pearson will struggle to get another position if he doesn't reconsider his back room staff demands, I guess it's an option that's financially unavailable to us, given FFP etc. That said, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated where, if we gain promotion under Pearson we could agree to then bring his support staff in? Maybe I'm a little naive but that could work....maybe....
Now that Leicester are actually top of the Premiership why would Pearson's 'Batman and Robin' even consider going elsewhere at the moment?
I can understand why Pearson wants to bring in his own men but he is unrealistic expecting them to join them, even if he received an offer from a struggling Premiership club at this time.
Now is exactly the right time to approach Pearson again. There are probably better coaches out there, hence I can undestand why he wants his dynamic duo, but after the last two matches it has made me think that it is motivation, even a 'kick up the backside at the right time' manager we need and it appears to me that Pearson is such a man.
Now a proposition that if he were to get us back into the Premiership the club would trust him to add to his background team (and it something that would be required in addition to an upgrade of the playing staff) must surely be something that would be worth trying?
Quote from: copthornemike on November 22, 2015, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: Bedford White on November 22, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
Agreed Pearson will struggle to get another position if he doesn't reconsider his back room staff demands, I guess it's an option that's financially unavailable to us, given FFP etc. That said, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated where, if we gain promotion under Pearson we could agree to then bring his support staff in? Maybe I'm a little naive but that could work....maybe....
Now that Leicester are actually top of the Premiership why would Pearson's 'Batman and Robin' even consider going elsewhere at the moment?
I can understand why Pearson wants to bring in his own men but he is unrealistic expecting them to join them, even if he received an offer from a struggling Premiership club at this time.
Now is exactly the right time to approach Pearson again. There are probably better coaches out there, hence I can undestand why he wants his dynamic duo, but after the last two matches it has made me think that it is motivation, even a 'kick up the backside at the right time' manager we need and it appears to me that Pearson is such a man.
Now a proposition that if he were to get us back into the Premiership the club would trust him to add to his background team (and it something that would be required in addition to an upgrade of the playing staff) must surely be something that would be worth trying?
At this moment in time the assistants wouldn't leave, but Pearson might not be in a rush?! Assuming Leicester drop back down the table to finish somewhere relatively middle, and he gets a premier league job for someone else then their budget will be much more able to swallow the costs of getting them.
This obviously would not be helpful for us but could well be in Pearson's thinking.
Pearson has always had those two with him.
When you sign Pearson you get those two, without them is he the right man to chase?
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Quote from: MJG on November 22, 2015, 08:10:46 PM
Pearson has always had those two with him.
When you sign Pearson you get those two, without them is he the right man to chase?
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I doubt it - and Pearson no doubt knows that.
Nogood "not a deal that's going to happen for us this one, isit" Boyo
I suspect Clarke will be looking to fill an opening in League 1 or 2 in the near future.
I spoke to a Leicester City supporting mate last night. He couldn't believe that the two back room staff members would leave Leicester and said that their current success could be put in the hands of these two more than Ranieri. He said that he would rather have Walsh than Pearson any day.
Quote from: MJG on November 22, 2015, 08:10:46 PM
Pearson has always had those two with him.
When you sign Pearson you get those two, without them is he the right man to chase?
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thats what I was thinking do we want him without those 2
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Quote from: copthornemike on November 22, 2015, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: Bedford White on November 22, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
Agreed Pearson will struggle to get another position if he doesn't reconsider his back room staff demands, I guess it's an option that's financially unavailable to us, given FFP etc. That said, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated where, if we gain promotion under Pearson we could agree to then bring his support staff in? Maybe I'm a little naive but that could work....maybe....
Now that Leicester are actually top of the Premiership why would Pearson's 'Batman and Robin' even consider going elsewhere at the moment?
I can understand why Pearson wants to bring in his own men but he is unrealistic expecting them to join them, even if he received an offer from a struggling Premiership club at this time.
Now is exactly the right time to approach Pearson again. There are probably better coaches out there, hence I can undestand why he wants his dynamic duo, but after the last two matches it has made me think that it is motivation, even a 'kick up the backside at the right time' manager we need and it appears to me that Pearson is such a man.
Now a proposition that if he were to get us back into the Premiership the club would trust him to add to his background team (and it something that would be required in addition to an upgrade of the playing staff) must surely be something that would be worth trying?
Surely Riggs and Pearson could get two new up and coming coaches on board? maybe I'm being naive.
Why not just get Pearson´s coaches & forget Pearson. Would probably work out the same money.
Quote from: Neil D on November 22, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: filham on November 22, 2015, 01:24:01 PM
WE have to spot talent in a lower division, Jimmy Floyed Hasslebank or go for an ex player, Danny Murphy.
JFH is QPR-bound according to C5 last night...
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The possible candidates are slipping away out of our grasp, I wonder if there is anyone left on last week's short list.
i was happy with the Clarke link and subsequent discussions with him, ut am glad now we didnt if that is the attitude and driving factor for him.
Realistically we only have a very outside chance of promotion this year, whoever we get in, and no chance of being relegated (unless we re-appointed Magath!). So we could afford to take a chance on someone IF they were prepared to take the job on a contract just to the end of the season (with, of course, the expectation of a longer contract if they proved successful).
Difficult to imagine being able to tempt someone like JFH on this basis, ie someone in work and presumably on a decent contract. But Danny Murphy or Lee Clark might very well be interested on that basis and I'd be happy with either (but especially Danny).
Danny Muprhy would be taking a risk a she has no coaching experience at all, we had that with Kit for one and secondly he has burnt his bridges with the current regime apparently.
Lee Clark who I love as an ex player has had very little success in coaching and for me is not the one to go for.
We need to get an experienced head in with a younger man who can be groomed to take us on further.
Looks like Fulham dodged not one but two bullets....Clarke has a lot of egg on his face now and should find a new agent.
That Hob Nob forum currently has 61% 'unhappy that he stayed'.
It's a mixture of how it all seems to have transpired and their opinion of him as a coach.
he's not done himself any favours that's for sure
Quote from: westcliff white on November 23, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
Danny Muprhy would be taking a risk a she has no coaching experience at all, we had that with Kit for one and secondly he has burnt his bridges with the current regime apparently.
Lee Clark who I love as an ex player has had very little success in coaching and for me is not the one to go for.
We need to get an experienced head in with a younger man who can be groomed to take us on further.
What's he supposedly done since his time on the 5 man panel to pick Kit, if you don't mind my asking? Can't recall him being overly critical of anything publicly, though he may have second guessed the appointing process in hindsight, I think. No way I'd want him coaching or managing Fulham at this point in his career. He's done nothing to warrant a manager's job. If he's wanting that kind of opportunity, then he needs to be coaching right now at some level rather than sitting in a pundit's chair.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on November 23, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on November 23, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
Danny Muprhy would be taking a risk a she has no coaching experience at all, we had that with Kit for one and secondly he has burnt his bridges with the current regime apparently.
Lee Clark who I love as an ex player has had very little success in coaching and for me is not the one to go for.
We need to get an experienced head in with a younger man who can be groomed to take us on further.
What's he supposedly done since his time on the 5 man panel to pick Kit, if you don't mind my asking? Can't recall him being overly critical of anything publicly, though he may have second guessed the appointing process in hindsight, I think. No way I'd want him coaching or managing Fulham at this point in his career. He's done nothing to warrant a manager's job. If he's wanting that kind of opportunity, then he needs to be coaching right now at some level rather than sitting in a pundit's chair.
Much as I loved DM as a player, I agree, he has no coaching or management experience to qualify him to walk straight in as Head Coach (or whatever we are calling it).
Quote from: jarv on November 23, 2015, 12:24:34 PM
Looks like Fulham dodged not one but two bullets....Clarke has a lot of egg on his face now and should find a new agent.
3 losses in a row and he's on gardening leave.
Quote from: Twig on November 23, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on November 23, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on November 23, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
Danny Muprhy would be taking a risk a she has no coaching experience at all, we had that with Kit for one and secondly he has burnt his bridges with the current regime apparently.
Lee Clark who I love as an ex player has had very little success in coaching and for me is not the one to go for.
We need to get an experienced head in with a younger man who can be groomed to take us on further.
What's he supposedly done since his time on the 5 man panel to pick Kit, if you don't mind my asking? Can't recall him being overly critical of anything publicly, though he may have second guessed the appointing process in hindsight, I think. No way I'd want him coaching or managing Fulham at this point in his career. He's done nothing to warrant a manager's job. If he's wanting that kind of opportunity, then he needs to be coaching right now at some level rather than sitting in a pundit's chair.
Much as I loved DM as a player, I agree, he has no coaching or management experience to qualify him to walk straight in as Head Coach (or whatever we are calling it).
I disagree. He reminds me a little of Gary Monk. A born leader. Talks a lot of sense when I hear him on Talksport and MOTD. I would be more than happy to give him a punt. What he achieved in the game as a player goes far beyond anything Kit did. He was my choice last time around so I was upset when I heard he was on the panel as that sort of ruled him out.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on November 23, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on November 23, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
Danny Muprhy would be taking a risk a she has no coaching experience at all, we had that with Kit for one and secondly he has burnt his bridges with the current regime apparently.
Lee Clark who I love as an ex player has had very little success in coaching and for me is not the one to go for.
We need to get an experienced head in with a younger man who can be groomed to take us on further.
What's he supposedly done since his time on the 5 man panel to pick Kit, if you don't mind my asking? Can't recall him being overly critical of anything publicly, though he may have second guessed the appointing process in hindsight, I think. No way I'd want him coaching or managing Fulham at this point in his career. He's done nothing to warrant a manager's job. If he's wanting that kind of opportunity, then he needs to be coaching right now at some level rather than sitting in a pundit's chair.
Not sure what he has done toddles but he himself said it a while back on the radio
