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Title: Words from Shad
Post by: Ordar on December 28, 2015, 01:12:32 PM
Excellent article on the official site from Shad. A really good read

Greetings to Fulham supporters everywhere and it certainly is my hope that you are still enjoying the Christmas and holiday season with friends and family. And with 2016 just a few days away, I think we have good reason to express warm wishes for the New Year with Slavisa Jokanovic as our new First Team Head Coach.

Before we get to Slavisa's appointment, however, let's talk about something more important, and that's the somber news we received earlier this month upon the passing of the legendary Jimmy Hill at the age of 87.

My time at Fulham has been brief, so with each passing week I am admittedly continuing to learn more about the legacy and traditions of the Club. But since my arrival in July 2013, there have been a few names that have made an immediate and lasting impact. Jimmy Hill was one of those names.

This isn't to say I currently - or will ever be - able to fully appreciate everything that Jimmy accomplished here, or what he means to the lore and history of Fulham Football Club. But, I believe I do understand how much Jimmy means to you. I've heard from many supporters over the past several weeks as our search for a new head coach continued, and many of you took the opportunity to also offer thoughts or memories of Jimmy, both as a player and as a builder of the Club.

Many of your recollections of Jimmy are priceless and timeless. I thank you for them and hope that you will find our tribute to Jimmy tomorrow evening, from the features in the official programme to the pre-match ceremony, to be respectful of his countless contributions to Fulham and the game of football in England.

As I noted yesterday, I'm now extremely proud to announce that Slavisa has accepted our offer to join Fulham and accept the challenge and opportunity that will come in leading our First Team. Slavisa is in London tomorrow and will begin to fully acclimate himself with the Club in the days ahead, but be assured that he's already very much attuned to our situation.

To say that Slavisa came prepared during the interview process would be an understatement. His analysis of our Club was impressive and his ideas were just what we wanted to hear. I'm confident that Slavisa will reverse our fortunes and bring to Fulham a winning mindset through the second half of the season and beyond.

I think it's important to point out that Slavisa emerged from an extremely impressive pool of candidates, some of whom became available or expressed their interest to us during the days and weeks that followed our decision to make a change on 8th November. This wasn't totally unexpected when you consider the attraction of Fulham, but it's safe to say that our shortlist of candidates grew immediately, as well as over time.

While Slavisa was someone we were interested in from the start, we had an obligation, in my opinion, to fully explore our options. This took time, and probably a bit more than any of us would have preferred, but with each day that passed and every deliberation we made, we got closer and closer to making the right call on Slavisa Jokanovic. And that's more important than anything.

I also want to note that Slavisa was someone who was beloved and respected by Maccabi Tel Aviv, his former club, and therefore required a great deal of effort on our part to arrange for his release. And when you consider that he was likely the target of other clubs who may have been contemplating a change, we are particularly fortunate to welcome him to Fulham.

In the end, all we need to remember is Slavisa has promoted a club from the Championship to the Premier League and has managed sides at the highest level of football. In other words, Slavisa is exactly the Head Coach we need.

And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.

This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.

I do want to salute the work by Peter Grant and Stuart Gray in their caretaker roles while we brought this process to a close. There was much more to their body of work than may meet your eye. While collecting a few points, we were able to take a closer look at various players and line-ups and probably know our Club's potential and areas of need a bit better today than we did several months ago. I thank Peter and Stuart for keeping us together for the transition ahead.

Tomorrow night, therefore, is an occasion for you to celebrate our past in Jimmy Hill and future in Slavisa Jokanovic. For me, it's an opportunity to thank you for your patience and ask for your trust. I promise that no-one wants to deliver a winner to Fulham supporters more than I do. That's why we have Slavisa Jokanovic in the fold. Brighter days are ahead.

Come On You Whites!
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Ordar on December 28, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
My favourite part was

"To say that Slavisa came prepared during the interview process would be an understatement. His analysis of our Club was impressive"

Really a brilliant thing to read
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Robbie on December 28, 2015, 01:21:37 PM
Thank you Mr. Khan !
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: alfie on December 28, 2015, 01:37:00 PM
Of course we can expect a comment that he did not write or even think those words, it's all spin
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"

I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: nose on December 28, 2015, 01:44:24 PM
I thought it was the best article wriiten under our owner's name.

I remain very uneasy that Mike Rigg and AM seem to be 'getting away with it.' Their errors are many, let's see what the new year brings.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on December 28, 2015, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"

I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.

That bit put me to worrying as well. My "give them the benefit of the doubt" nature led me to believe that Mr. Khan was speaking to player recruitment and not game day selection. I may be naïve but, I just can't see any self respecting manager/head coach accepting a position where he does not have control over and responsibility for match day player selection.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: fulhamben on December 28, 2015, 01:52:27 PM
I keep forgetting about jimmy's tribute. Is it pay on the door tomorrow?
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: SG on December 28, 2015, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on December 28, 2015, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"

I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.

That bit put me to worrying as well. My "give them the benefit of the doubt" nature led me to believe that Mr. Khan was speaking to player recruitment and not game day selection. I may be naïve but, I just can't see any self respecting manager/head coach accepting a position where he does not have control over and responsibility for match day player selection.

It clearly means the squad and not the match day selection. I am more cynical than most about our Chairman and even I did not interpret it that way. In the previous paragraph he sets out Jok's role where it is clear the match day squad is his responsibility.

Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: SG on December 28, 2015, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: nose on December 28, 2015, 01:44:24 PM
I thought it was the best article wriiten under our owner's name.

I remain very uneasy that Mike Rigg and AM seem to be 'getting away with it.' Their errors are many, let's see what the new year brings.


Agreed, I am heartened by this piece. Clearly they have taken on board many of the concerns aired on this board and tried to address them
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: millsy on December 28, 2015, 01:58:13 PM
Why do we keep going up these blind alleys, looking for problems?

You have to try very hard to read into that piece, anything other than player recruitment. Of course, the head coach picks the team, otherwise it would be pretty pointless him being "hyper-focussed on the first team".

Stop fretting and let the new guy settle in and do his job. We can chew over the modus operandi once we've seen how the team performs over coming weeks and of course how results pan out.

Seems to me we now have a good structure in place and a decent squad of players, so just need everyone to knuckle down and do their job!
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Lighthouse on December 28, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
Goodness what a gullible lot we are. 50 days of delays and a season ended. But one article from the owner and we are all meek again. Well I am still feeling very bitter towards those who have made another season a pointless struggle.

Before getting too excited I will wait until we actually prove we can do something positive in the league.

:Happy New Year:
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: MJG on December 28, 2015, 02:08:34 PM
I'll come back to this thread once every line, word,  paragraph has been sifted through so someone can explain all the hidden meanings to them.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: FulhamStu on December 28, 2015, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on December 28, 2015, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"
Of course he is talking  about player recruitment
I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.

That bit put me to worrying as well. My "give them the benefit of the doubt" nature led me to believe that Mr. Khan was speaking to player recruitment and not game day selection. I may be naïve but, I just can't see any self respecting manager/head coach accepting a position where he does not have control over and responsibility for match day player selection.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: MikeW on December 28, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
Come on folks it's a bloody football team.  Yet again we need to get behind the new man, give it our all and hope he galvanises the team.  Shirt term though, tomorrow is about Jimmy.  What he did for our club - without any of the wealth let's not forget - must not go without a dignified send off hopefully supported by a supreme effort on the pitch and on the terraces.

COYW
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Arthur on December 28, 2015, 02:40:26 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 28, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
Goodness what a gullible lot we are. 50 days of delays and a season ended. But one article from the owner and we are all meek again. Well I am still feeling very bitter towards those who have made another season a pointless struggle.

Before getting too excited I will wait until we actually prove we can do something positive in the league.

Gullible? Today I feel more positive about the future of the Club than at any time since we were relegated. Am I gullible to think that Jokanovic will do a better job than Symons? There is every reason to believe that he will.

Indeed, with hindsight, I think this season was over before it began. I understood the Club's decision to retain Kit going into a new campaign, but even with an improved squad of players, it was still a case 'one step forwards, two steps back' under his guidance.

Time will tell whether Slavisa can mould us into a promotion-chasing outfit. At least, however, I have some confidence that we are giving ourselves a fighting chance.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: valdeingruo on December 28, 2015, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 28, 2015, 02:08:34 PM
I'll come back to this thread once every line, word,  paragraph has been sifted through so someone can explain all the hidden meanings to them.


I think it's important to point out that Slavisa emerged from an extremely impressive pool of candidates, some of whom became available or expressed their interest to us during the days and weeks that followed our decision to make a change on 8th November. This wasn't totally unexpected when you consider the attraction of Fulham, but it's safe to say that our shortlist of candidates grew immediately, as well as over time.


I knew it! Hes talking about the Jaguars and their stadium!
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: WayneKerrins on December 28, 2015, 03:40:00 PM
Decent appointment.
The words are consigned to burgeoning file of Khan flim flam.
Would have been interested on his take on the FFP breach. Quite an important issue but one that one incoherent and inconsistent club statement aside seems to have been buried.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: colinwhite on December 28, 2015, 04:27:24 PM
Its very interesting that Khan is making this message and not Rigg. Its important to me at least.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Neil D on December 28, 2015, 04:45:50 PM
Jokanovic can and should consult whomsoever he likes about team selection - even Mike Rigg - but the final decision must remain with the head coach.  Anything else will lead to a shambles but I think SJ is experienced enough not to be out-manoeuvred by those whose grasp of the game is less secure.  After all, he is the one who walks if it all goes belly-up. Not Mike Rigg.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Bill2 on December 28, 2015, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: andersons11 on December 28, 2015, 03:06:39 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 28, 2015, 02:08:34 PM
I'll come back to this thread once every line, word,  paragraph has been sifted through so someone can explain all the hidden meanings to them.
A quote in the Mail today about our new manager, it would appear we could have had others but Pearson wanted his old back room team and Warburton wanted someone to join as Director of Football. Personally I think we have got the best candidate as Watford were the best side I saw at Fulham last year.


I think it's important to point out that Slavisa emerged from an extremely impressive pool of candidates, some of whom became available or expressed their interest to us during the days and weeks that followed our decision to make a change on 8th November. This wasn't totally unexpected when you consider the attraction of Fulham, but it's safe to say that our shortlist of candidates grew immediately, as well as over time.


I knew it! Hes talking about the Jaguars and their stadium!
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: rubbernecca on December 28, 2015, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Ordar on December 28, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
My favourite part was

"To say that Slavisa came prepared during the interview process would be an understatement. His analysis of our Club was impressive"

Really a brilliant thing to read

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He was in my top 3 and that he actually wants the job is very encouraging!

Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Apprentice to the Maestro on December 28, 2015, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 28, 2015, 02:08:34 PM
I'll come back to this thread once every line, word,  paragraph has been sifted through so someone can explain all the hidden meanings to them.

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Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Apprentice to the Maestro on December 28, 2015, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: Ordar on December 28, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
My favourite part was

"To say that Slavisa came prepared during the interview process would be an understatement. His analysis of our Club was impressive"

Really a brilliant thing to read

:plus one:

That gives real hope. I like a thinking manager like Hodgson who has got an overall plan and presumably an analysis of what is wrong and what is good about us currently rather than one who works more by instinct alone. That he comes with something to say and can explain it to the owner and a Director of Football convincingly is a real positive.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: domprague on December 28, 2015, 05:14:55 PM
I've ghostwritten for lots of people and they generally have to approve the article themselves. So he won't have written but it will represent his thinking. I thought it was encouraging for us to hear that.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: fulhamben on December 28, 2015, 05:23:54 PM
Quote from: rubbernecca on December 28, 2015, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Ordar on December 28, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
My favourite part was

"To say that Slavisa came prepared during the interview process would be an understatement. His analysis of our Club was impressive"

Really a brilliant thing to read

0001.jpeg

He was in my top 3 and that he actually wants the job is very encouraging!


Hmm I wonder if he said you don't win enough and can't defend for love nor money. Pretty easy to have an accurate analysis of a club when we have been so constantly bad in the last 3 years. That said I do like what I'm reading
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Burt on December 28, 2015, 06:23:52 PM
"Brighter days are ahead"...

COYW

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Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Holders on December 28, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
Quote from: domprague on December 28, 2015, 05:14:55 PM
I've ghostwritten for lots of people and they generally have to approve the article themselves. So he won't have written but it will represent his thinking. I thought it was encouraging for us to hear that.

I'm sure it represents his thinking but it actually doesn't read as if it was written by a professional - too many grammatical errors, etc., so he may have dictated the gist and someone typed it up.

Either way, he put his name to it - what more can he do?

Personally I'm very excited about Mr. J , he was my first choice at the outset and his interest and preparation for the job are encouraging.  
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: fulhamben on December 28, 2015, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 28, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
Quote from: domprague on December 28, 2015, 05:14:55 PM
I've ghostwritten for lots of people and they generally have to approve the article themselves. So he won't have written but it will represent his thinking. I thought it was encouraging for us to hear that.

I'm sure it represents his thinking but it actually doesn't read as if it was written by a professional - too many grammatical errors, etc., so he may have dictated the gist and someone typed it up.

Either way, he put his name to it - what more can he do?

Personally I'm very excited about Mr. J , he was my first choice at the outset and his interest and preparation for the job are encouraging. 
well he could of tattooed it on his back and took a selfie of himself whilst sitting on the johnny Haynes statue. That would have made it more believable. Some chairmen just don't go the distance
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: win-dup on December 28, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
That's funny, Ernie didn't mention the new Riverside stand. Exponentially if it takes him as long to build that as it took him to find a new manager, nobody alive today will see it built.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: filham on December 28, 2015, 06:43:50 PM
Very good article, it covers mo of our concerns and theherby shows that the Chairman is in touch.

Right lets now hope for better times but difficult to see how big improvements can be made with a wretched transfer embargo in place.

Are we allowed to sell and if we sell can the money be used to buy. Also can we exchange, Husband for Lovebite for instance.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: TWFL on December 28, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 28, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
That's funny, Ernie didn't mention the new Riverside stand. Exponentially if it takes him as long to build that as it took him to find a new manager, nobody alive today will see it built.

I've heard rumours that we might not build it due to being in the Champ for longer than expected. Wait and see..
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: grandad on December 28, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
Win-Dup being as disrespectful as ever. Grow up man, you are not in the least bit funny.
I suggest you use his real name or title in future if your comments want to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: GrahamG on December 28, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
So you get the feeling that Mr Khan personally interviewed our new head coach? Probably in the same way as he personally penned this message to the Fulham faithful. I think the appointment is good but the  bunch running our club have got an awful lot to make up for.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: west kowloon white on December 28, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Usual theories re the stand and the tedious trio saying the same old - yawn.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: mike_corkcity12 on December 28, 2015, 11:10:49 PM
Great statement. Khan obviously wants the best for the club, just going about it in the wrong way
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: J on December 28, 2015, 11:35:20 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 28, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
Quote from: domprague on December 28, 2015, 05:14:55 PM
I've ghostwritten for lots of people and they generally have to approve the article themselves. So he won't have written but it will represent his thinking. I thought it was encouraging for us to hear that.

I'm sure it represents his thinking but it actually doesn't read as if it was written by a professional - too many grammatical errors, etc., so he may have dictated the gist and someone typed it up.

Either way, he put his name to it - what more can he do?

Personally I'm very excited about Mr. J , he was my first choice at the outset and his interest and preparation for the job are encouraging. 

Why thank you ;)
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Andy S on December 28, 2015, 11:50:13 PM
We need a solicitor to write these so that they can't be misconstrued.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: WORTHINGFULHAM on December 29, 2015, 12:39:42 AM
Fair play to khan, well written and with thought and passion to the club and those associated with it. Has given me confidence again which we all needed
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Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: St Eve on December 29, 2015, 02:38:44 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"

I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.
that was exactly what concerned me. Let's hope that this is a misunderstanding
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Holders on December 29, 2015, 05:17:43 AM
Quote from: St Eve on December 29, 2015, 02:38:44 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"

I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.
that was exactly what concerned me. Let's hope that this is a misunderstanding

Obviously he means recruitment not team selection.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: win-dup on December 29, 2015, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: TWFL on December 28, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 28, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
That's funny, Ernie didn't mention the new Riverside stand. Exponentially if it takes him as long to build that as it took him to find a new manager, nobody alive today will see it built.

I've heard rumours that we might not build it due to being in the Champ for longer than expected. Wait and see..
Quote from: grandad on December 28, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
Win-Dup being as disrespectful as ever. Grow up man, you are not in the least bit funny.
I suggest you use his real name or title in future if your comments want to be taken seriously.

When Ernie took over we were heading towards being an established mid-table Premiership side. We are now just three points away from  the relegation zone to whatever the third division is called these days.
There is absolutely no sign of the phantom new Riverside stadium and probably never will be.
When he does something for FFC then I will give him some respect.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: alfie on December 29, 2015, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 29, 2015, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: TWFL on December 28, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 28, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
That's funny, Ernie didn't mention the new Riverside stand. Exponentially if it takes him as long to build that as it took him to find a new manager, nobody alive today will see it built.

I've heard rumours that we might not build it due to being in the Champ for longer than expected. Wait and see..
Quote from: grandad on December 28, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
Win-Dup being as disrespectful as ever. Grow up man, you are not in the least bit funny.
I suggest you use his real name or title in future if your comments want to be taken seriously.

When Ernie took over we were heading towards being an established mid-table Premiership side. We are now just three points away from  the relegation zone to whatever the third division is called these days.
There is absolutely no sign of the phantom new Riverside stadium and probably never will be.
When he does something for FFC then I will give him some respect.

maybe you should check out another post on here about the "new development" and what has to be gone through before any sort of sign. You may not want to give him any respect, but equally you don't need to disrespect him either do you.

From what i have seen from your previous posts i get the impression that you are one of these types that want things to go wrong so you can say "told you so".
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: win-dup on December 29, 2015, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: alfie on December 29, 2015, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 29, 2015, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: TWFL on December 28, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 28, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
That's funny, Ernie didn't mention the new Riverside stand. Exponentially if it takes him as long to build that as it took him to find a new manager, nobody alive today will see it built.

I've heard rumours that we might not build it due to being in the Champ for longer than expected. Wait and see..
Quote from: grandad on December 28, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
Win-Dup being as disrespectful as ever. Grow up man, you are not in the least bit funny.
I suggest you use his real name or title in future if your comments want to be taken seriously.

When Ernie took over we were heading towards being an established mid-table Premiership side. We are now just three points away from  the relegation zone to whatever the third division is called these days.
There is absolutely no sign of the phantom new Riverside stadium and probably never will be.
When he does something for FFC then I will give him some respect.

maybe you should check out another post on here about the "new development" and what has to be gone through before any sort of sign. You may not want to give him any respect, but equally you don't need to disrespect him either do you.

From what i have seen from your previous posts i get the impression that you are one of these types that want things to go wrong so you can say "told you so".


So what has he done to earn your respect?
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: PokerMatt on December 29, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 29, 2015, 05:17:43 AM
Quote from: St Eve on December 29, 2015, 02:38:44 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"

I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.
that was exactly what concerned me. Let's hope that this is a misunderstanding

Obviously he means recruitment not team selection.

That's how I read it.

It wasn't until the questions here that I realised selection could also mean lineup. No head coach in his right mind will take a job knowing that someone else is actually picking the team.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: alfie on December 29, 2015, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 29, 2015, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: alfie on December 29, 2015, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 29, 2015, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: TWFL on December 28, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: win-dup on December 28, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
That's funny, Ernie didn't mention the new Riverside stand. Exponentially if it takes him as long to build that as it took him to find a new manager, nobody alive today will see it built.

I've heard rumours that we might not build it due to being in the Champ for longer than expected. Wait and see..
Quote from: grandad on December 28, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
Win-Dup being as disrespectful as ever. Grow up man, you are not in the least bit funny.
I suggest you use his real name or title in future if your comments want to be taken seriously.

When Ernie took over we were heading towards being an established mid-table Premiership side. We are now just three points away from  the relegation zone to whatever the third division is called these days.
There is absolutely no sign of the phantom new Riverside stadium and probably never will be.
When he does something for FFC then I will give him some respect.

maybe you should check out another post on here about the "new development" and what has to be gone through before any sort of sign. You may not want to give him any respect, but equally you don't need to disrespect him either do you.

From what i have seen from your previous posts i get the impression that you are one of these types that want things to go wrong so you can say "told you so".


So what has he done to earn your respect?
I never said i did, i just don't believe you should disrespect him thats all, but be honest you do seem to have a negative attitude towards anything to do with FFC, but that is your choice/opinion and you have that right.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Logicalman on December 29, 2015, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 29, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 29, 2015, 05:17:43 AM
Quote from: St Eve on December 29, 2015, 02:38:44 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"

I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.
that was exactly what concerned me. Let's hope that this is a misunderstanding

Obviously he means recruitment not team selection.

That's how I read it.

It wasn't until the questions here that I realised selection could also mean lineup. No head coach in his right mind will take a job knowing that someone else is actually picking the team.

Point taken, I obviously misread the context. Perhaps my Khan-infused-rose-tinted spectacackles have lost their sheen a little these days, or mebbe I'm just not as accepting as as I used to be until it's spelled out. Either way, point taken.
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: Holders on December 29, 2015, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 29, 2015, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 29, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: Holders on December 29, 2015, 05:17:43 AM
Quote from: St Eve on December 29, 2015, 02:38:44 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on December 28, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
Good read, and puts to rest the involvement of "Rigg & his staff"

I have to admit, I am a little concerned with the manner in which this has been put ..

"And speaking of head coach – I believe the term 'head coach' has been misunderstood, though not by Slavisa nor nearly every one of the other candidates we interviewed. Slavisa avidly embraces the concept of head coach, which is to be on the pitch, training, organising, planning and everything that comes in preparing for and leading the Club on matchday.
This doesn't mean he will have no say in player selection – he most certainly will, working with Chief Football Officer Mike Rigg and his staff to ensure the best we possibly can that Fulham will field a squad that Slavisa feels he needs to win. The concept of head coach simply means being hyperfocused on the pitch and team performance. But please be assured, Slavisa will collaborate closely with Mike and his staff as anyone would under the classic definition of manager. That was always the plan for whomever won the job, and I know that Slavisa and Mike will mesh well as we turn the page on 2015.
" ...

simply because, even though I have no insider or personal knowledge as the Rigs managerial ability at team level, his cv doesn't, imho, support his abilities at that level for the games being played. I would have little doubt he would be guided by the opinion of the "head Coach", but I would be interested as to how much someone like Roy was hindered, or otherwise, by such a person.
that was exactly what concerned me. Let's hope that this is a misunderstanding

Obviously he means recruitment not team selection.

That's how I read it.

It wasn't until the questions here that I realised selection could also mean lineup. No head coach in his right mind will take a job knowing that someone else is actually picking the team.

Point taken, I obviously misread the context. Perhaps my Khan-infused-rose-tinted spectacackles have lost their sheen a little these days, or mebbe I'm just not as accepting as as I used to be until it's spelled out. Either way, point taken.

I wasn't having a go, mate. I think it's just his Americanese, bearing in mind that the system for the NFA game that he's used to allows them to "select" players from some kind of pool  to bring in to the "team" (squad).
Title: Re: Words from Shad
Post by: PokerMatt on December 29, 2015, 06:35:10 PM
Likewise, no offence meant. There were a few odd spellings/wordings in his post (odd for us Brits) so I think that was one of them.

I read in other publications today and one had reworded it to 'player recruitment'.