Poll
Question:
If McCormack stays, should he be stripped of the vice-captaincy? And if so, who should replace him?
Option 1: No
Option 2: Yes - R Stearman
Option 3: Yes - R Tunnicliffe
Option 4: Yes - L Christensen
Option 5: Yes - J O'Hara
Option 6: Yes - A Lonergan
Option 7: Yes - D Burn
Option 8: Yes - AN Other (please specify)
The title is pretty self-explanatory. But here's my view:
Yes, he should be stripped of the vice-captaincy if he stays. No way are his actions ambassadorial. If I remember correctly, one of the only good things Martin Jol did was strip Berbatov of the position after a combination of wanting to leave and poor performances on the pitch. Gave it to Scott Parker, didn't he?
We cannot have a man who's asked to leave the club remain as vice-captain if he stays, in my view.
So, here are the potential contenders for the position:
Richard Stearman:
Pros: Given the armband by Scott Parker when the latter was substituted off against Bolton - above McCormack. Commands the defence rather well.
Cons: Not currently holding down a first team place, having only been started once under SJ, and therefore a third captain would probably have to be appointed. Not been in the club long enough, although this may not be important.
Ryan Tunnicliffe:
Pros: Has been earmarked as Parker's understudy, and we don't see him leaving Fulham any time soon, like Burn.
Cons: Long injury out, which would be risky to put him straight back into a vice-captain position. Surpassed in previous games for the position by the likes of Hutchinson, for example, against Huddersfield away last year. Not showing enough professionalism - "sausage boy"-gate springs to mind.
Lasse Vigen Christensen:
Pros: Like McCormack, idolised by the fans, and one of our better players.
Cons: Doesn't smack of "captain" material - is he commanding enough on the pitch?
Jamie O'Hara:
Pros: Parker gave him the armband when the latter went off against Hull.
Cons: This was met with much disdain on social media - O'Hara is not a natural born leader. Has not been in the club for long enough, but this may not be a factor.
Andy Lonergan:
Pros: One of our better players this season.
Cons: Doesn't smack of "captain" material. May be dropped from the team when Bettinelli returns. Goalkeepers do not tend to be captains.
Dan Burn:
Pros: Has captained the side twice against Doncaster and Rotherham in 2014-15, scoring on both occasions, and thus has more experience than any of the other contenders. "Club man", like Tunnicliffe, so won't be going anywhere, as I don't think he particularly wants to join Sheff Utd as he is currently holding down a First Team place - the club website said that he is quickly becoming SJ's first name on the team sheet!
Cons: Lost the vice-captaincy to McCormack in December 2014; snubbed twice by Parker when the latter was substituted off.
I had to go with tunni as he would be my only guaranteed starter
The problem is that not many players seem to be automatic first choices for their positions as McCormac is.
If in the next three or four matches it becomes clear that Dan Burn is the first choice canal defender then he is the man to take the armband from Parker.
Dan Burn would be my first choice. As he is a natural leader, and he has a presence, as well as being a Warrior.
Imo Burn is in a pretty good position to become club captain never mind vice. Parker won't be captain next season and Ross is off and quite frankly doesn't deserve it now. I don't agree with transfer requests, it doesn't help the situation. All it does is disrespect the fans especially from a player who is practically the club captain. He wears the armband a lot more on the pitch than Parker does. I wouldn't blame him for wanting to leave but if he can't then he can't. He was happy to sign a new contract after 1 year in the summer so as far as I'm concerned get on with it.
Joka seems to really rate Burn. If he is to become a regular then I would tip him for captain. Tunni isn't a bad shout but I'd prefer Burn.
I think if his mind is in the right place then he should not be stripped of his vice captain role just because he asked to leave. He is nearing the age when he really wont have many more chances of playing in the Prem. He has been, as we all have been, pretty badly let down by the club, Yes he gets paid oodles but he only wants what is best for himself.
However if any of the rumours about him playing up and being awkward then clearly he should have his role taken away. But I so far have yet to be convinced that he has been anything but fair. So what would be the point?
I have gone for Matt Smith as he has had more time watching the team perform from the bench than any other Fulham player and might know where our main problems are!
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 29, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
I think if his mind is in the right place then he should not be stripped of his vice captain role just because he asked to leave. He is nearing the age when he really wont have many more chances of playing in the Prem. He has been, as we all have been, pretty badly let down by the club, Yes he gets paid oodles but he only wants what is best for himself.
However if any of the rumours about him playing up and being awkward then clearly he should have his role taken away. But I so far have yet to be convinced that he has been anything but fair. So what would be the point?
As much as I think Ross has been our star player the last couple of seasons, he is not bigger than the Club! At his stage in life I am sure he wants an opportunity to play in the PL before he is too old. I think he joined us because he thought we offered him that opportunity, misguided and now disillusioned well why not, the same feeling that us fans share! Good luck Ross move on!
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 29, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
I think if his mind is in the right place then he should not be stripped of his vice captain role just because he asked to leave. He is nearing the age when he really wont have many more chances of playing in the Prem. He has been, as we all have been, pretty badly let down by the club, Yes he gets paid oodles but he only wants what is best for himself.
However if any of the rumours about him playing up and being awkward then clearly he should have his role taken away. But I so far have yet to be convinced that he has been anything but fair. So what would be the point?
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Dan Burn's performances of the past month have put him in a position of first name on the team sheet. I think he's naturally very vocal and a strong leader figure and I think it'd be a great thing to put out for the academy - this kid was in the U21s at 19, at 23 he's the vice captain of Fulham FC.
I wouldn't touch Ryan Tunnicliffe because of the whole 'sausage boy' thing. The captain should be the face of the football club, the one who does a lot of work in the community, who sets an example for the whole football club. I would feel uncomfortable giving the honour of Fulham captain to him after the debacle.
Oh and yes, Ross McCormack shouldn't have that privilege. It'd be awful for me to go to the Derby game at Craven Cottage and see this man lead out a team of 11 'fighting' against relegation when a week or so before he handed in a request to jump.
Yes, obviously. It would be crazy to let him retain that title now.
Quote from: davew on January 29, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
I have gone for Matt Smith as he has had more time watching the team perform from the bench than any other Fulham player and might know where our main problems are!
Well observed and identified, I would imagine Fulham Ben will be in full support of your proposal.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 29, 2016, 09:28:48 PM
Quote from: davew on January 29, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
I have gone for Matt Smith as he has had more time watching the team perform from the bench than any other Fulham player and might know where our main problems are!
Well observed and identified, I would imagine Fulham Ben will be in full support of your proposal.
I would hope so (lol), where is he when I need him, not on loan to another forum?
No one knows if he has put in a transfer request as yet ..
Therfore, why believe the crap in the papers?
If he did then strip him if not - nothing to talk about!
Although I will say he should never have been captain in the first place - great player but no captain imo
La lala lala lala lala Danny Danny Burn, Danny Burn, Danny Danny Burn
Quote from: Sheepskin Junior on January 29, 2016, 09:44:32 PM
La lala lala lala lala Danny Danny Burn, Danny Burn, Danny Danny Burn
interesting, so you voted for an other
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 29, 2016, 09:39:26 PM
No one knows if he has put in a transfer request as yet ..
Therfore, why believe the crap in the papers?
If he did then strip him if not - nothing to talk about!
Although I will say he should never have been captain in the first place - great player but no captain imo
Agree with this. Don't understand why an unattributable rumour should become the unarguable premise for stripping anyone of anything. If, as some suggested, he had issued an ultimatum before the Hull game, then to sit in the Cottage to watch it seems odd.
Maybe, just maybe, he was under the weather. At this time of year it happens a lot.
Even if he wasn't, if the billionaire Mr Khan decides to dig in, then he will be here for a while yet. If so, let's give him an olive branch. We might need him firing in the weeks ahead.
Quote from: davew on January 29, 2016, 09:31:09 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 29, 2016, 09:28:48 PM
Quote from: davew on January 29, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
I have gone for Matt Smith as he has had more time watching the team perform from the bench than any other Fulham player and might know where our main problems are!
Well observed and identified, I would imagine Fulham Ben will be in full support of your proposal.
I would hope so (lol), where is he when I need him, not on loan to another forum?
He has followed the Example of Ross McCormack and put in a transfer request.
With the Jordan Rhodes deal done I've heard McCormack's gone on strike, but my source isn't completely reputable.
Quote from: Brawn on January 29, 2016, 10:22:57 PM
With the Jordan Rhodes deal done I've heard McCormack's gone on strike, but my source isn't completely reputable.
what exactly would that achieve? He will just get fined to the hilt for doing that
Quote from: Brawn on January 29, 2016, 10:22:57 PM
With the Jordan Rhodes deal done I've heard McCormack's gone on strike, but my source isn't completely reputable.
Nonsense..
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 29, 2016, 09:39:26 PM
No one knows if he has put in a transfer request as yet ..
Therfore, why believe the crap in the papers?
If he did then strip him if not - nothing to talk about!
Although I will say he should never have been captain in the first place - great player but no captain imo
This is exactly how I see it. We have no idea what has happened. But if he wants out he can't be capt. As for Parker he should be no where near the first 11. He is slow, can't pass And survives on his great attitude. Parker has been a disaster for Fulham whilst McCormack has been one of best signings in recent times.
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though I don't think a sulky footballer is anything to worry about in the grand scheme of things. Bit of a test for SJ but if handled well won't be an issue. Doesn't mean necessarily he should/shouldn't keep vc, even if he is happy here again, but that is up to the management.
Why is it that when a paper or website print a story about a transfer most everyone scoffs and says they'll believe it when they see it on our official site but, when those same papers print something like this that Ross has supposedly done they want to strip him of his captaincy??
I don't have a vote for captain. I just hope the players are picking the man they feel is best to lead them on the field.
Of course there's been no official statement on the transfer request but its more than likely IMO.
Even in this day and age the position of captain/vice captain should be a privilege and an honour, therefore if true he should lose it.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 30, 2016, 01:02:21 PM
Of course there's been no official statement on the transfer request but its more than likely IMO.
Even in this day and age the position of captain/vice captain should be a privilege and an honour, therefore if true he should lose it.
I don't disagree. But, that's still a fair sized 'if'. Just don't want to judge the guy so harshly without knowing. He's done quite a lot for us since he's been here.
