I'm assuming once Betts is healthy, it won't matter much as Lonergan has been one of our best players this season. What do you guys think? Maybe Betts will get to prove himself in a game or two?
Betts I believe is the club No1, but with the McCarthy rumours over the recent window, maybe Jokanovic isn't too pleased with the quality of the keepers.
Lonegran for me for the rest of the season, I think Betts may benefit form watching and learning from him. Long term I think Betts if he can keep developing the way he was last season and before the injury
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
Lonegran for me for the rest of the season, I think Betts may benefit form watching and learning from him. Long term I think Betts if he can keep developing the way he was last season and before the injury
Im sure Betts can pick the ball out of the net without having to see how it is done by andy
Betts is easily number one in my eyes. Lonergan is extremely average who makes himself look good with the odd save every now and then. Let's in far too many goals to be classed as a good keeper
was waiting for another negative comment about Lonners.
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 08:37:27 PM
was waiting for another negative comment about Lonners.
should I lie and pretend that he is a really good keeper?
no one has said he is, but he is solid, and any young keeper would learn from him. You will say, as you always do, he is at fault for the goals but a keeper You will predictably say as you always do that what anyone says to that effect is wrong, so lets just forget it
Anyway not going to hi jack the thread that fatguyskinnyjeans started.
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 08:42:33 PM
no one has said he is, but he is solid, and any young keeper would learn from him. You will say, as you always do, he is at fault for the goals but a keeper You will predictably say as you always do that what anyone says to that effect is wrong, so lets just forget it
Anyway not going to hi jack the thread that fatguyskinnyjeans started.
like I said an average keeper. Betts is better
Quote from: fulhamben on February 10, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
Lonegran for me for the rest of the season, I think Betts may benefit form watching and learning from him. Long term I think Betts if he can keep developing the way he was last season and before the injury
Im sure Betts can pick the ball out of the net without having to see how it is done by andy
And yet you manage to make negative posts about both keepers in one go!
Quote from: Jem on February 10, 2016, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 10, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
Lonegran for me for the rest of the season, I think Betts may benefit form watching and learning from him. Long term I think Betts if he can keep developing the way he was last season and before the injury
Im sure Betts can pick the ball out of the net without having to see how it is done by andy
And yet you manage to make negative posts about both keepers in one go!
No just Andy
The only thing he can show Betts is how to shot stop and Betts is already superior at that. It's quite the insult to Betts to suggest that he learns off of Andy. We are not talking about a keeper that's been there and done at the highest level. We are talking about a keeper that has spent all of his career in the lower leagues and a lot of that time was as a number 2. Andy has done an admirable job stepping in for Betts whilst he has been out injured. But I for one am sick of relegation fights and I want our number 1 back inbetween the sticks as soon as possible as I always want our best 11 on the pitch.
we had a relegation fight with Betts playing last season too Ben, stop the baiting on Lonners and posters alike, its a joke now and most are fed up with that and all the negative posts you make even when there are good things that can be taken.
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 09:13:25 PM
we had a relegation fight with Betts playing last season too Ben, stop the baiting on Lonners and posters alike, its a joke now and most are fed up with that and all the negative posts you make even when there are good things that can be taken.
Im being positive about Betts.
always a first for everything
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 09:16:12 PM
always a first for everything
not really, it's just some like to see the negative side of it. If you say fredericks should start then you are scapegoating jazz. If you want to persist with Dembele because him and Ross have banged in loads together then you are unfair on the one goal in sixteen Smith. Seems that of you want the best players to start as opposed to popular ones then you are negative. So be it I'm negative for wanting the best for Fulham. Surely better than continuing with this slide, no matter how much of a positive spin you put on it?
Lonergan.
Bettenelli is overrated.
Quote from: fulhamben on February 10, 2016, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 09:16:12 PM
always a first for everything
not really, it's just some like to see the negative side of it. If you say fredericks should start then you are scapegoating jazz. If you want to persist with Dembele because him and Ross have banged in loads together then you are unfair on the one goal in sixteen Smith. Seems that of you want the best players to start as opposed to popular ones then you are negative. So be it I'm negative for wanting the best for Fulham. Surely better than continuing with this slide, no matter how much of a positive spin you put on it?
have to say that made me laugh more today than anything else has, thanks ben
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 09:23:55 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 10, 2016, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 09:16:12 PM
always a first for everything
not really, it's just some like to see the negative side of it. If you say fredericks should start then you are scapegoating jazz. If you want to persist with Dembele because him and Ross have banged in loads together then you are unfair on the one goal in sixteen Smith. Seems that of you want the best players to start as opposed to popular ones then you are negative. So be it I'm negative for wanting the best for Fulham. Surely better than continuing with this slide, no matter how much of a positive spin you put on it?
have to say that made me laugh more today than anything else has, thanks ben
No probs. Shall I put you in popular over ability camp?
Lonergan is the best we've had since the Schwarz. He could mentor Betts aswell
Def Betts for me - as good if not better shot stopper, particularly on long range efforts which we have conceded lots of lately. Also still improving and ironing out his weaknesses, so has potential to be a top keeper whereas Lonners has peaked. With a better organised defence Betts will look even better than before.
I'm glad we've got Andy, and we could do a lot worse for a competition / backup keeper but that's all I feel he should be out of the 2.
Quote from: J on February 10, 2016, 09:49:04 PM
Def Betts for me - as good if not better shot stopper, particularly on long range efforts which we have conceded lots of lately. Also still improving and ironing out his weaknesses, so has potential to be a top keeper whereas Lonners has peaked. With a better organised defence Betts will look even better than before.
I'm glad we've got Andy, and we could do a lot worse for a competition / backup keeper but that's all I feel he should be out of the 2.
Im putting you in the ability over popularity camp ;)
Also for anyone unhappy with Lonergan don't forget that the alternative was Kiraly!!
Quote from: J on February 10, 2016, 09:49:04 PM
Def Betts for me - as good if not better shot stopper, particularly on long range efforts which we have conceded lots of lately. Also still improving and ironing out his weaknesses, so has potential to be a top keeper whereas Lonners has peaked. With a better organised defence Betts will look even better than before.
I'm glad we've got Andy, and we could do a lot worse for a competition / backup keeper but that's all I feel he should be out of the 2.
I do agree that betts is better at stopping long shots but it's pretty clear (I think) that Lonners has the reactions to pull off very impressive saves from inside the box. Plus I think he's in his peak now and I think he's more useful than betts currently. I say play him for the rest of the season (and let betts get a few games under his belt as well). Then let Slav decide his #1 over the summer.
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Lonergan definitely but actually I don't think either are good enough.
Quote from: GrahamG on February 10, 2016, 10:46:39 PM
Lonergan definitely but actually I don't think either are good enough.
Im putting you in the hates everyone camp ;)
Stekelenburg... :023:
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 10, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
Stekelenberg... :023:
would be a huge step up on them both. Will never happen though unfortunately
Quote from: fulhamben on February 10, 2016, 11:12:46 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 10, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
Stekelenberg... :023:
would be a huge step up on them both. Will never happen though unfortunately
He is still our player..
Quote from: fulhamben on February 10, 2016, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 09:23:55 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 10, 2016, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: westcliff white on February 10, 2016, 09:16:12 PM
always a first for everything
not really, it's just some like to see the negative side of it. If you say fredericks should start then you are scapegoating jazz. If you want to persist with Dembele because him and Ross have banged in loads together then you are unfair on the one goal in sixteen Smith. Seems that of you want the best players to start as opposed to popular ones then you are negative. So be it I'm negative for wanting the best for Fulham. Surely better than continuing with this slide, no matter how much of a positive spin you put on it?
have to say that made me laugh more today than anything else has, thanks ben
No probs. Shall I put you in popular over ability camp?
Not at all, I would have played McCarty if we had signed him. My point is they are about as good as each other, and have different good and bad points. Last year we were in the mire as well and Betts was in goal This season similar and it is Lonners, although I suspect Betts would have been in there if he had not been injured, but the likelihood is we would still have been in a relegation struggle as we have not been able to to defend on the whole. The way you make it sound is Lonners is the reason we are down there.
It is all about opinions and we all have them, really not worth an argument over as we really do not have any influence as to who will play.
Unfortunately neither of them are good enough in my view . We need akeepr who is able to cope with crosses when they come into his box both at set plays and in open play . Bettinelli is young and has potential but at present still ,like Loners, is not comfortable at dominated his penalty box .
Andy Lonergan has no control over his penalty box which is a lot less than I expected from a big Northern bloke. Marcus Bettinelli at the very least is on a par in terms of shot stopping and is stronger with the ball at his feet.
Marcus is soon to be 24 which is still very young for a goalkeeper and there's time for that penalty box domination to come into his game.
I don't think we really weaken ourselves with either goalkeeper but I sit on the side of Bettinelli. Partially because he's also a Fulham boy that has come through the academy, but mostly because I think at the very least he's on par, but for me he just about edges it on shot stopping and passing.
I'm a big fan of Magnus Norman who I think will top notch when he breaks through.
Betts will have to earn his way back into the #1 spot. He only just came through and to be honest hasn't proven himself beyond a shadow of a doubt. He has been off injured and may not be back this season. He will need to prove he is fully fit and continuing to develop.
Until then Lonergan will be #1 which given his heroics against Derby suits me fine.
Betts for me.
Bettinelli was #1 before his injury, if he makes a full recovery he should be #1 again as he's the better of the two!
