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Title: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: J.Perkins on March 13, 2016, 09:15:56 AM
Here's a run down of every SJ game so far

Sheff Wed (H): long shot
Sheff Wed (A): long shot, missed sitters
Wolves (A): long shot
Huddersfield (A): N/A
Hull (H): late penalty
Derby (H): missed sitters
QPR (A): N/A
Blackburn (A): shambolic in all areas
Charlton (H): N/A
Leeds (A): long shot, missed sitters
Boro (H): N/A
Reading (A): idiotic penalty
Burnley (H): contentious penalty
Bristol (H): shambolic in all areas, missed sitters

In 3/4 of those games, it's been individual errors leading to conceding or not scoring.

Can't blame Jokanovic for errors in individual players, with most coming from players where there is no option but to play them. Namely, Lonergan, Burn and Dembele.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: MJG on March 13, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Nice breakdown of everything. I'm as angry as anyone after yesterday's second half,  but shows how on an edge we are between good and bad. 
One thing is different to Symons reign and that's lack of five goal being let in.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: H4usuallysitting on March 13, 2016, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 13, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Nice breakdown of everything. I'm as angry as anyone after yesterday's second half,  but shows how on an edge we are between good and bad. 
One thing is different to Symons reign and that's lack of five goal being let in.


We're playing Birmingham on Saturday
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Mince n Tatties on March 13, 2016, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 13, 2016, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 13, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Nice breakdown of everything. I'm as angry as anyone after yesterday's second half,  but shows how on an edge we are between good and bad. 
One thing is different to Symons reign and that's lack of five goal being let in.


We're playing Birmingham on Saturday

Don't we normally do well up there,or am I
dreaming again .. :023:
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: JHaynes Paperboy on March 13, 2016, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 13, 2016, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 13, 2016, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 13, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Nice breakdown of everything. I'm as angry as anyone after yesterday's second half,  but shows how on an edge we are between good and bad. 
One thing is different to Symons reign and that's lack of five goal being let in.


We're playing Birmingham on Saturday

Don't we normally do well up there,or am I
dreaming again .. :023:

Too much Ketamine! :wow:
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Lighthouse on March 13, 2016, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 13, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Nice breakdown of everything. I'm as angry as anyone after yesterday's second half,  but shows how on an edge we are between good and bad. 
One thing is different to Symons reign and that's lack of five goal being let in.

Why bring up Symons again!!!   Another thing  different is we won a few games and didn't get beaten nearly as much and were not in relegation fight this season until he went. But if you prefer what you are watching now than the odd win, then fair enough. However some of us would like the dull, boring midtable side we had before he left.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Apprentice to the Maestro on March 13, 2016, 10:27:48 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 13, 2016, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 13, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Nice breakdown of everything. I'm as angry as anyone after yesterday's second half,  but shows how on an edge we are between good and bad. 
One thing is different to Symons reign and that's lack of five goal being let in.

Why bring up Symons again!!!   Another thing  different is we won a few games and didn't get beaten nearly as much and were not in relegation fight this season until he went. But if you prefer what you are watching now than the odd win, then fair enough. However some of us would like the dull, boring midtable side we had before he left.

That is hypocritical. You bring up Symons at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: MJG on March 13, 2016, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 13, 2016, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 13, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Nice breakdown of everything. I'm as angry as anyone after yesterday's second half,  but shows how on an edge we are between good and bad. 
One thing is different to Symons reign and that's lack of five goal being let in.
didn't know there was a moratorium on mentioning his name. I used it in context to what had been posted and was factually correct

Why bring up Symons again!!!   Another thing  different is we won a few games and didn't get beaten nearly as much and were not in relegation fight this season until he went. But if you prefer what you are watching now than the odd win, then fair enough. However some of us would like the dull, boring midtable side we had before he left.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Lighthouse on March 13, 2016, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 13, 2016, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 13, 2016, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 13, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
Nice breakdown of everything. I'm as angry as anyone after yesterday's second half,  but shows how on an edge we are between good and bad. 
One thing is different to Symons reign and that's lack of five goal being let in.
didn't know there was a moratorium on mentioning his name. I used it in context to what had been posted and was factually correct

Why bring up Symons again!!!   Another thing  different is we won a few games and didn't get beaten nearly as much and were not in relegation fight this season until he went. But if you prefer what you are watching now than the odd win, then fair enough. However some of us would like the dull, boring midtable side we had before he left.

Nice word 'moratorium'. However as we were in the top half of the table this season when he was sacked I don't see any point in mentioning his name other than proving how badly we have done since.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: filham on March 13, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Jocanovic has given me, one win, one draw and 5 defeats at the Cottage. Hard to see how he is going to turn things around in the remaining four home games.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Bill2 on March 13, 2016, 11:03:11 AM
If we were so good before we would have not brought in SJ, we were rubbish before and not any better now. I think the reason I am so angry at the moment is that we should have won the last two games, we were by far the better side. How many blocks and saves were made by Burnley and Bristol, while it seems that every shot the opposition has is a goal (a fact for the Burnley game).

I trust that between now and Saturday someone will tell Moussa about the offside rule and that he needs to time his runs better.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: MJG on March 13, 2016, 11:04:55 AM
Quote from: Bill2 on March 13, 2016, 11:03:11 AM
If we were so good before we would have not brought in SJ, we were rubbish before and not any better now. I think the reason I am so angry at the moment is that we should have won the last two games, we were by far the better side. How many blocks and saves were made by Burnley and Bristol, while it seems that every shot the opposition has is a goal (a fact for the Burnley game).

I trust that between now and Saturday someone will tell Moussa about the offside rule and that he needs to time his runs better.
I'd hope Ross is in the offside meeting as well.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: J.Perkins on March 13, 2016, 11:09:06 AM
Quote from: filham on March 13, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Jocanovic has given me, one win, one draw and 5 defeats at the Cottage. Hard to see how he is going to turn things around in the remaining four home games.

4 of those defeats have been to Sheff Wed, Hull, Boro and Burnley. Very tough games.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Baszab on March 13, 2016, 02:13:25 PM
I have mulled it over night and come to this conclusion :-

SACK JOKANOVIC NOW BEFORE WE GET RELEGATED

He has brought nothing at all - and the players have less confidence than with the previous manager (who mustn't be named obviously)

He is extremely dismissive of the players during the match - and one assumes likewise during training
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Berserker on March 13, 2016, 03:01:39 PM
Ok my theory, but this is just an observation as i'm not football wiley.

The team does worse when we have a mid week match as well as weekend. This could be due to certain players that are crucial being tired or not being able to play two games a week eg too old or other players unfit/ carrying an injury. I think certain players are key to the squad in giving direction, organisation and experience eg Parker, and when they don't play or are subbed things go Pete Tong.
Therefore it not particularly SJ's fault as his hands are tied with what is available in our squad at the time of the match.
Plus Dembele having a huff since the transfer window doesn't help.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Denver Fulham on March 13, 2016, 03:21:40 PM
Two years ago, Parker spearheaded the worst midfield in the Premier League. Now he's indispensible in our side?

Speaks volumes about everything that has happened at the club.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: RaySmith on March 13, 2016, 03:24:05 PM
Well, it says that Prem quality players are a different  class, and  getting rid of nearly all of them was a big mistake.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Chutney on March 13, 2016, 03:28:29 PM
SJ made huge errors himself yesterday, bringing Ream on lost us the left hand side when Garbutt was actually causing problems and got in behind a few times. Taking Parker off lost us the midfield and he refused to change the system when it clearly wasn't working, it was just poor management.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: One Martin Thomas on March 13, 2016, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on March 13, 2016, 09:15:56 AM
Here's a run down of every SJ game so far

Sheff Wed (H): long shot
Sheff Wed (A): long shot, missed sitters
Wolves (A): long shot
Huddersfield (A): N/A
Hull (H): late penalty
Derby (H): missed sitters
QPR (A): N/A
Blackburn (A): shambolic in all areas
Charlton (H): N/A
Leeds (A): long shot, missed sitters
Boro (H): N/A
Reading (A): idiotic penalty
Burnley (H): contentious penalty
Bristol (H): shambolic in all areas, missed sitters

In 3/4 of those games, it's been individual errors leading to conceding or not scoring.

Can't blame Jokanovic for errors in individual players, with most coming from players where there is no option but to play them. Namely, Lonergan, Burn and Dembele.

It's called relegation "luck" .  Nothing will go for you.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Baszab on March 13, 2016, 06:05:13 PM
You could do the same analysis with KS tenure - stupid red cards/injuries to both goalies etc etc

This new manager has produced nothing better than we had before - it is WORSE

Get rid of him NOW before it's too late

Get in someone to galvanise the players - like KS did last year

Whatever he is doing is NOT working

We were 1 up yesterday and still bottled it
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: MJG on March 13, 2016, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: Baszab on March 13, 2016, 06:05:13 PM
You could do the same analysis with KS tenure - stupid red cards/injuries to both goalies etc etc

This new manager has produced nothing better than we had before - it is WORSE

Get rid of him NOW before it's too late

Get in someone to galvanise the players - like KS did last year

Whatever he is doing is NOT working

We were 1 up yesterday and still bottled it
OK you sack him,  get someone in,  one win in next six,  three losses on the trot.... Then what?  3 games left two wins needed? Another change?

I think we have to just have to suck it and see with the last nine games. There is no magic  wand to find right man. We have gone for winners,  no experience,  some experience and all pretty much ends the same.
Title: Re: Collective errors in SJ tenure
Post by: Baszab on March 13, 2016, 06:14:52 PM
 You are probably correct - it's just that it looks like it has all gone wrong from what I see from the dug-out and the players' reactions -could it be any worse to bring someone in ? - it is patently obvious that some of the players just don't care