..... very worst.
After going over the highlights, it was evident that he was at fault for the 1st, 2nd and 4th goal.
1st: getting the wrong side of the player in the box means that any contact, and he will fall.
2nd: whilst trying to mark Hemed, he got out muscled and fell over.
4th: failing to push up and leaving Hemed onside was pure ineptitude.
Honourable mentions:
3rd: O'Hara's marking from that corner was unbelievably poor, and due do his family problems, should 've never been in the squad.
5th: Mainly a complete lack of ability to close Knockaert down, possibly Ream being to high up the field, gaving him way too much space.
To add insult, his communication with Fredericks was shocking all game. I know having O'Hara instead of Ince didn't help, but you have to cover the channels between the CB and RB, and he didn't.
With all the abuse SJ gets from some people, 2 of the most important players for us are Madl and Ince, both "SJ signings" and brought in under an imbargo.
Yes, we had an extremely weekend team on Friday. Cairney in for hyndman, Ince in for ohara and Madl for Stearman and it would have been a very different result. Now I'm not saying we would have won, but I doubt we would have got stuffed
Quote from: J.Perkins on April 17, 2016, 09:04:29 AM
..... very worst.
After going over the highlights, it was evident that he was at fault for the 1st, 2nd and 4th goal.
1st: getting the wrong side of the player in the box means that any contact, and he will fall. So was it his fault? the ref admitted at half time that he may have made a mistake
2nd: whilst trying to mark Hemed, he got out muscled and fell over.
4th: failing to push up and leaving Hemed onside was pure ineptitude.
Honourable mentions:
3rd: O'Hara's marking from that corner was unbelievably poor, and due do his family problems, should 've never been in the squad.
5th: Mainly a complete lack of ability to close Knockaert down, possibly Ream being to high up the field, gaving him way too much space.
To add insult, his communication with Fredericks was shocking all game. I know having O'Hara instead of Ince didn't help, but you have to cover the channels between the CB and RB, and he didn't.
With all the abuse SJ gets from some people, 2 of the most important players for us are Madl and Ince, both "SJ signings" and brought in under an imbargo.
Quote from: alfie on April 17, 2016, 09:37:12 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on April 17, 2016, 09:04:29 AM
..... very worst.
After going over the highlights, it was evident that he was at fault for the 1st, 2nd and 4th goal.
1st: getting the wrong side of the player in the box means that any contact, and he will fall. So was it his fault? the ref admitted at half time that he may have made a mistake
2nd: whilst trying to mark Hemed, he got out muscled and fell over.
4th: failing to push up and leaving Hemed onside was pure ineptitude.
Honourable mentions:
3rd: O'Hara's marking from that corner was unbelievably poor, and due do his family problems, should 've never been in the squad.
5th: Mainly a complete lack of ability to close Knockaert down, possibly Ream being to high up the field, gaving him way too much space.
To add insult, his communication with Fredericks was shocking all game. I know having O'Hara instead of Ince didn't help, but you have to cover the channels between the CB and RB, and he didn't.
With all the abuse SJ gets from some people, 2 of the most important players for us are Madl and Ince, both "SJ signings" and brought in under an imbargo.
He made contact. He made himself liable to the consequences.
I was at the game and I thought Stearman (Give or take O'Hara) was the worst player on the pitch. And weirdly, Amorebieta was the best player on the pitch.
Quote from: @jolslover on April 17, 2016, 09:42:42 AM
I was at the game and I thought Stearman (Give or take O'Hara) was the worst player on the pitch. And weirdly, Amorebieta was the best player on the pitch.
Only if you were at the game could you give this statement. +1
Bizarrely Brighton barely got a kick in the first 20 mins, we passed em of the park. Stearman and Amorebietta looking very solid, as soon as the penalty was given we might've as well as gone home.
Nearly 2500 Fulham on a filthy friday and they deserved more than that, shocking last 70
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on April 17, 2016, 09:55:21 AM
Bizarrely Brighton barely got a kick in the first 20 mins, we passed em of the park. Stearman and Amorebietta looking very solid, as soon as the penalty was given we might've as well as gone home.
Nearly 2500 Fulham on a filthy friday and they deserved more than that, shocking last 70
Yh agree, My Brighton fan mate messaged me 20 minutes in saying "you lot are playing like Barca", They were no where near us, Then Stearman gets turned and the ref gives a dodgy decision. Ruined the game.
Stearman & Lovebite never learn. You can´t lay your hands on players these days as they will collapse like a house of cards. Certain players are coached to do this.
The amateur defending by Stearman et al is so bad you could almost think they are being paid to undermine our once proud club!
Yes! A ridiculous comment but they have been so pathetic for so long its almost plausible.
There was a really funny argument on Twitter after the loss; our line up saw the return of Richard Stearman as a starting centre half and Jamie O'Hara in the middle; coinciding with Fulham looking like jokes once more in the absence of Michael Madl and Rohan Ince. We're yet to lose with Rohan Ince in the starting line up and have lost four of Madl's eleven starts (two against the divisions current top two).
Stearman has turned out to be a late summer window panic buy, Wolves must be laughing all the way to the bank.
The other bad news is that the players that are just about holding our defence together, Madle and Ince are only on loan and no doubt will wave us good bye at the end of the season.
Quote from: Statto on April 17, 2016, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: filham on April 17, 2016, 09:20:35 PM
Stearman has turned out to be a late summer window panic buy, Wolves must be laughing all the way to the bank.
The other bad news is that the players that are just about holding our defence together, Madle and Ince are only on loan and no doubt will wave us good bye at the end of the season.
The only things Wolves will be is confused at how we turned yet another good player crap
He was the "Player of the Season" in the season before...
Even through this decent run we have had Stearman has been mixed at best.
But forget the goals and everything else on friday, there was a point late in first half when a ball was hit crossfield over his head and directly towards the right hand side of the 18 yard box. I was sitting right in line with him and the ball and he turned and should have kept running to get to the ball, instead he looked to left to see the Brighton striker. In doing so he almost stopped, but that split second pause and then look cost him at least 2 yards. By the time both he and the striker reached the ball in the box he was behind the striker and I thought he might take him down for another penalty.
My father who was with me said almost at the same time as me, 'He's just not good enough'
Just in that forgotten piece of play he showed to me why he loses his men at corners so much and why if we have any thoughts of doing anything next year, I cant see a place for him.
I'd also add that in a flat back four Fredericks once again proved to be very suspect defensively. Fine as a wing back, and his pace helps at sweeping up sometimes, but standing against the man just defending. I don't think hes got it.
Quote from: MJG on April 18, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Even through this decent run we have had Stearman has been mixed at best.
But forget the goals and everything else on friday, there was a point late in first half when a ball was hit crossfield over his head and directly towards the right hand side of the 18 yard box. I was sitting right in line with him and the ball and he turned and should have kept running to get to the ball, instead he looked to left to see the Brighton striker. In doing so he almost stopped, but that split second pause and then look cost him at least 2 yards. By the time both he and the striker reached the ball in the box he was behind the striker and I thought he might take him down for another penalty.
My father who was with me said almost at the same time as me, 'He's just not good enough'
Just in that forgotten piece of play he showed to me why he loses his men at corners so much and why if we have any thoughts of doing anything next year, I cant see a place for him.
I'd also add that in a flat back four Fredericks once again proved to be very suspect defensively. Fine as a wing back, and his pace helps at sweeping up sometimes, but standing against the man just defending. I don't think hes got it.
Agree about Fredericks. His link up play going forward is excellent, but he is very suspect defensively.
It's coming to a point where he is best as an impact sub. He wrecked the Cardiff defence with his quick forward runs when he came on.
Going with maybe Richards at RB, or Stearman, to start and then bring on Fred when needed.
Quote from: MJG on April 18, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Even through this decent run we have had Stearman has been mixed at best.
But forget the goals and everything else on friday, there was a point late in first half when a ball was hit crossfield over his head and directly towards the right hand side of the 18 yard box. I was sitting right in line with him and the ball and he turned and should have kept running to get to the ball, instead he looked to left to see the Brighton striker. In doing so he almost stopped, but that split second pause and then look cost him at least 2 yards. By the time both he and the striker reached the ball in the box he was behind the striker and I thought he might take him down for another penalty.
My father who was with me said almost at the same time as me, 'He's just not good enough'
Just in that forgotten piece of play he showed to me why he loses his men at corners so much and why if we have any thoughts of doing anything next year, I cant see a place for him.
I'd also add that in a flat back four Fredericks once again proved to be very suspect defensively. Fine as a wing back, and his pace helps at sweeping up sometimes, but standing against the man just defending. I don't think hes got it.
The big point is that only Madle of our present back four is good enough for next season, that means a lot of money needs to be spent on new defenders and it needs to be spent more wisely than it was last summer.
Quote from: J.Perkins on April 18, 2016, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: MJG on April 18, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Even through this decent run we have had Stearman has been mixed at best.
But forget the goals and everything else on friday, there was a point late in first half when a ball was hit crossfield over his head and directly towards the right hand side of the 18 yard box. I was sitting right in line with him and the ball and he turned and should have kept running to get to the ball, instead he looked to left to see the Brighton striker. In doing so he almost stopped, but that split second pause and then look cost him at least 2 yards. By the time both he and the striker reached the ball in the box he was behind the striker and I thought he might take him down for another penalty.
My father who was with me said almost at the same time as me, 'He's just not good enough'
Just in that forgotten piece of play he showed to me why he loses his men at corners so much and why if we have any thoughts of doing anything next year, I cant see a place for him.
I'd also add that in a flat back four Fredericks once again proved to be very suspect defensively. Fine as a wing back, and his pace helps at sweeping up sometimes, but standing against the man just defending. I don't think hes got it.
Agree about Fredericks. His link up play going forward is excellent, but he is very suspect defensively.
It's coming to a point where he is best as an impact sub. He wrecked the Cardiff defence with his quick forward runs when he came on.
Going with maybe Richards at RB, or Stearman, to start and then bring on Fred when needed.
I'd have to agree to the 'sub' aspect of his play. His pace and fitness seems more suited to a second half burst of action than starting.
Quote from: filham on April 18, 2016, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: MJG on April 18, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Even through this decent run we have had Stearman has been mixed at best.
But forget the goals and everything else on friday, there was a point late in first half when a ball was hit crossfield over his head and directly towards the right hand side of the 18 yard box. I was sitting right in line with him and the ball and he turned and should have kept running to get to the ball, instead he looked to left to see the Brighton striker. In doing so he almost stopped, but that split second pause and then look cost him at least 2 yards. By the time both he and the striker reached the ball in the box he was behind the striker and I thought he might take him down for another penalty.
My father who was with me said almost at the same time as me, 'He's just not good enough'
Just in that forgotten piece of play he showed to me why he loses his men at corners so much and why if we have any thoughts of doing anything next year, I cant see a place for him.
I'd also add that in a flat back four Fredericks once again proved to be very suspect defensively. Fine as a wing back, and his pace helps at sweeping up sometimes, but standing against the man just defending. I don't think hes got it.
The big point is that only Madle of our present back four is good enough for next season, that means a lot of money needs to be spent on new defenders and it needs to be spent more wisely than it was last summer.
Just the fact that 19 players plus are out of one contract or another this summer means there will be changes. But I think we can all agree that of all the back fours/five that have played, we are not going to shed a tear if any of them don't come back next season.
Quote from: MJG on April 18, 2016, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: filham on April 18, 2016, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: MJG on April 18, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Even through this decent run we have had Stearman has been mixed at best.
But forget the goals and everything else on friday, there was a point late in first half when a ball was hit crossfield over his head and directly towards the right hand side of the 18 yard box. I was sitting right in line with him and the ball and he turned and should have kept running to get to the ball, instead he looked to left to see the Brighton striker. In doing so he almost stopped, but that split second pause and then look cost him at least 2 yards. By the time both he and the striker reached the ball in the box he was behind the striker and I thought he might take him down for another penalty.
My father who was with me said almost at the same time as me, 'He's just not good enough'
Just in that forgotten piece of play he showed to me why he loses his men at corners so much and why if we have any thoughts of doing anything next year, I cant see a place for him.
I'd also add that in a flat back four Fredericks once again proved to be very suspect defensively. Fine as a wing back, and his pace helps at sweeping up sometimes, but standing against the man just defending. I don't think hes got it.
The big point is that only Madle of our present back four is good enough for next season, that means a lot of money needs to be spent on new defenders and it needs to be spent more wisely than it was last summer.
Just the fact that 19 players plus are out of one contract or another this summer means there will be changes. But I think we can all agree that of all the back fours/five that have played, we are not going to shed a tear if any of them don't come back next season.
Personally I would exclude Madle from that sentiment
Quote from: Twig on April 18, 2016, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: MJG on April 18, 2016, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: filham on April 18, 2016, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: MJG on April 18, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Even through this decent run we have had Stearman has been mixed at best.
But forget the goals and everything else on friday, there was a point late in first half when a ball was hit crossfield over his head and directly towards the right hand side of the 18 yard box. I was sitting right in line with him and the ball and he turned and should have kept running to get to the ball, instead he looked to left to see the Brighton striker. In doing so he almost stopped, but that split second pause and then look cost him at least 2 yards. By the time both he and the striker reached the ball in the box he was behind the striker and I thought he might take him down for another penalty.
My father who was with me said almost at the same time as me, 'He's just not good enough'
Just in that forgotten piece of play he showed to me why he loses his men at corners so much and why if we have any thoughts of doing anything next year, I cant see a place for him.
I'd also add that in a flat back four Fredericks once again proved to be very suspect defensively. Fine as a wing back, and his pace helps at sweeping up sometimes, but standing against the man just defending. I don't think hes got it.
The big point is that only Madle of our present back four is good enough for next season, that means a lot of money needs to be spent on new defenders and it needs to be spent more wisely than it was last summer.
Just the fact that 19 players plus are out of one contract or another this summer means there will be changes. But I think we can all agree that of all the back fours/five that have played, we are not going to shed a tear if any of them don't come back next season.
Personally I would exclude Madle from that sentiment
Madl has done OK sine being with us, but he has gone of the boil since his great start, probably understandable. I think Amore has done OK since being back as well. but agree with MJG on the whole re shedding a tear
On looking at the highlights, if that is the correct word, it was a penalty, soft but a penalty. He raised his hands and pushed the forward, he left the ref with no choice. Bearing in mind that the player was not threatening the goal it was plain stupid.
Quote from: Burt on April 18, 2016, 11:20:28 AM
Quote from: Statto on April 17, 2016, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: filham on April 17, 2016, 09:20:35 PM
Stearman has turned out to be a late summer window panic buy, Wolves must be laughing all the way to the bank.
The other bad news is that the players that are just about holding our defence together, Madle and Ince are only on loan and no doubt will wave us good bye at the end of the season.
The only things Wolves will be is confused at how we turned yet another good player crap
He was the "Player of the Season" in the season before...
Bet they wouldn't pay money to take him back.
I feel sorry for Stearman, I think playing in this defence has sapped his confidence, in fact being let go by Wolves having been their player of the season for 2 years would do that too. I saw him at Leicester as a kid, and then at Wolves and thought Fulham had picked up a really good player.
As for the back 4, Madl and Amore have been the best CB pairing, I'm not even sure if Richards has started under SJ, He plays well for Wales so maybe an authoritative CB would help him. Clearly the back 5 is a problem. As is the holding CDM's.
The most alarming thing about the defensive spine of the team on Friday was the lack of pace, O'Hara, Parker, Amore and Stearman just don't have it at all. Whilst Fredricks is quick, and Ream no Slouch, they are not that great defensively.
I really was worried from Kick off because of the lack of pace, I know it's been a problem all season, but O'Hara and Parker in CM exemplify it.
Excellent thread which I concur with the vast majority of.
Quote from: Bill2 on April 18, 2016, 04:41:03 PM
On looking at the highlights, if that is the correct word, it was a penalty, soft but a penalty. He raised his hands and pushed the forward, he left the ref with no choice. Bearing in mind that the player was not threatening the goal it was plain stupid.
Of course this is all correct, but what's going on in our game now, players getting the slightest touch and they throw themselves to the ground, to me that is just out and out cheating, even the ref admitted he may well have made a mistake, but i guess the people have spoken and Stearman seems to be our latest blame all, and i suppose it has given Amore a rest.
Quote from: alfie on April 19, 2016, 08:08:57 AM
Quote from: Bill2 on April 18, 2016, 04:41:03 PM
On looking at the highlights, if that is the correct word, it was a penalty, soft but a penalty. He raised his hands and pushed the forward, he left the ref with no choice. Bearing in mind that the player was not threatening the goal it was plain stupid.
Of course this is all correct, but what's going on in our game now, players getting the slightest touch and they throw themselves to the ground, to me that is just out and out cheating, even the ref admitted he may well have made a mistake, but i guess the people have spoken and Stearman seems to be our latest blame all, and i suppose it has given Amore a rest.
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Quote from: Statto on April 18, 2016, 07:55:27 PM
stearman, even in the worst form of his career, is a better option at CB than bodurov, hutchinson, burn or ream.
and you can bet your left ball he's paid a lot less than amorebieta.
so unless we're planning to buy five centre backs in the summer (six if we can't keep madl, which will depend on the wording of his option) we really should be hoping stearman stays
Leicester have proven that form is everything. A lesser player on form is most likely better than a stronger player off form.
Quote from: Statto on April 18, 2016, 07:55:27 PM
stearman, even in the worst form of his career, is a better option at CB than bodurov, hutchinson, burn or ream.
and you can bet your left ball he's paid a lot less than amorebieta.
so unless we're planning to buy five centre backs in the summer (six if we can't keep madl, which will depend on the wording of his option) we really should be hoping stearman stays
I would argue that Burn before this season was better than anything that we have seen from Stearman.
I have been very disappointed in Stearman. When announced it sounded as though he would be the leader our defence needed. In reality he has looked as confused, indecisive and error prone as anyone.
It shows the sorry state of our defence that we have no confidence in any of our defenders except Madl.
