Rumours today that Villa are making an approach based on a get out clause in his contract. This has come from the Daily Fail, so doubt its true, but..
It's known that McCormack is a contributor to the already toxic atmosphere amongst the First Team, not just him, but a few other senior players.
He is, without doubt, one of the best players in the Championship, but is also known to have an attitude to match.
Unfortunately, this is something that comes with the territory, and for a player that contributes with 23 goals a season, you're kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Ross is nearly 30, is on a 4 year contract, has a decent resell value, and if sold, might be the start to repairing a bad atmosphere within the squad.
If so, and if Jokanovic has a solid replacement, would you be tempted to sell in the Summer?
hmm, good question. Probably not as what striker can we realistically get better than Mccormack? Cant think of many..
Not sure about his contribution to the toxic atmosphere. But he has certainly been unlucky with the clubs he has played for in Leeds and Fulham. I would see the point in selling him if we can find decent players to fill the places we most desperately need in defence etc. However the bad atmosphere, if true, is down to poor management and once players are confident and happy knowing what they have to do on the pitch the better the atmosphere.
So sell him if we can find the right replacements. But the atmosphere will go whoever is there once the team start to perform well.
unfortunately....yes it is
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 01, 2016, 05:27:50 PM
Not sure about his contribution to the toxic atmosphere. But he has certainly been unlucky with the clubs he has played for in Leeds and Fulham. I would see the point in selling him if we can find decent players to fill the places we most desperately need in defence etc. However the bad atmosphere, if true, is down to poor management and once players are confident and happy knowing what they have to do on the pitch the better the atmosphere.
So sell him if we can find the right replacements. But the atmosphere will go whoever is there once the team start to perform well.
No, trust me, he is known as a regular contributor to the toxic atmosphere around the first team. He is 1 of the known senior players who currently makes it difficult for the coach, but is always difficult to drop because of his talents. Baby and pram sprang to mind over the Boro transfer. I'm not going to get into all the nitty gritty of how I know, who's told me, or who my sources are, just thought I'd throw it out there to get peoples opinions.
Quote from: Statto on May 01, 2016, 05:32:32 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:20:00 PM
It's known that McCormack is a contributor to the already toxic atmosphere amongst the First Team
no it isn't
Yes it is.
Quote from: Statto on May 01, 2016, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
I'm not going to get into all the nitty gritty of how I know, who's told me, or who my sources are
quelle surprise
Yes, because of idiotic responses like this, from members who want rubber stamped proof, before they can accept any type of legitimacy. Just answer the question rather than acting like some kind of forum detective.
Keep or sell?
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 01, 2016, 05:27:50 PM
Not sure about his contribution to the toxic atmosphere. But he has certainly been unlucky with the clubs he has played for in Leeds and Fulham. I would see the point in selling him if we can find decent players to fill the places we most desperately need in defence etc. However the bad atmosphere, if true, is down to poor management and once players are confident and happy knowing what they have to do on the pitch the better the atmosphere.
So sell him if we can find the right replacements. But the atmosphere will go whoever is there once the team start to perform well.
No, trust me, he is known as a regular contributor to the toxic atmosphere around the first team. He is 1 of the known senior players who currently makes it difficult for the coach, but is always difficult to drop because of his talents. Baby and pram sprang to mind over the Boro transfer. I'm not going to get into all the nitty gritty of how I know, who's told me, or who my sources are, just thought I'd throw it out there to get peoples opinions.
Fair enough. It we could get a good amount for him and that would help us to find replacements in the right area. Then no one player is above the good of the team.
I expect him to be sold and as long as the price is right and we invest in replacements wisely I have no problem with that. Unfortunately we normally fail in this area
He is also getting married in around 6 weeks.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 06:03:32 PM
He is also getting married in around 6 weeks.
is she from Birmingham?
We all thought Saha wasn't replaceable . We thought demps and dembele weren't replaceable . They were replaceable but we just didn't. As long as we get the cash to reinvest, then go for it. People come and go, he's been better than a lot of what we had when In the premier league. We should have had the balls to go for him in the premier league. I think SJ has come out plenty of times and said we want to build a team around Ross. Debatable whether Ross is such a team player to build the rest around him but it sounds like Slav wants to keep him.
So, we lose Ross and Moussa, we still have Smith and Woodrow for next season's striking pair. :Get Coat gif:
He's going back to Rangers. You heard it here first!
If a large bid comes in, ~£15m, we should accept. He probably isn't good to have in the dressing room as he's annoyed of constantly having poo around him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jokanovic doesn't like him.
What is the most amazing part of Ross's goal scoring feats the last two seasons is that he didn't score any of them against our defense. THAT's impressive.
Quote from: HatterDon on May 02, 2016, 11:25:48 PM
What is the most amazing part of Ross's goal scoring feats the last two seasons is that he didn't score any of them against our defense. THAT's impressive.
Agreed.
George Best, Rodney Marsh, Roy Keane, Paul Gascoigne and numerous others were considered destructive.
It's how they are managed
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: Statto on May 01, 2016, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
I'm not going to get into all the nitty gritty of how I know, who's told me, or who my sources are
quelle surprise
Yes, because of idiotic responses like this, from members who want rubber stamped proof, before they can accept any type of legitimacy. Just answer the question rather than acting like some kind of forum detective.
Keep or sell?
I would have kept him because he's our best player but now that i know with 100% certainty that he is a poison, a snake, a cancer in the dressing room then i say he absolutely must go.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 01, 2016, 05:27:50 PM
Not sure about his contribution to the toxic atmosphere. But he has certainly been unlucky with the clubs he has played for in Leeds and Fulham. I would see the point in selling him if we can find decent players to fill the places we most desperately need in defence etc. However the bad atmosphere, if true, is down to poor management and once players are confident and happy knowing what they have to do on the pitch the better the atmosphere.
So sell him if we can find the right replacements. But the atmosphere will go whoever is there once the team start to perform well.
No, trust me, he is known as a regular contributor to the toxic atmosphere around the first team. He is 1 of the known senior players who currently makes it difficult for the coach, but is always difficult to drop because of his talents. Baby and pram sprang to mind over the Boro transfer. I'm not going to get into all the nitty gritty of how I know, who's told me, or who my sources are, just thought I'd throw it out there to get peoples opinions.
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If you are going to go on any modern media outlet or even speak face to face in the old fashioned way and drop bomb shells like this (as you do) you can't expect intelligent people or otherwise to accept it without at least a little background info.
I have worked in a pro sport (not football) at a low level and got to hear and even experience some very interesting details about high profile people.
Its all accepted while things are going well but when times are bad peoples tongues loosen, I understand that.
Of course anyone can be centre of attention on things like this and you're free to say as you please but I suggest you either find a way to enhance your comments for the benefit of most of us because I for one am interested in reading your comments, or keep it to yourself and avoid the awkward squad .
I think all the goals he scores for us and then for Leeds proves its not goals from Ross that help a team get promoted.
Quote from: MJG on May 03, 2016, 12:31:59 PM
I think all the goals he scores for us and then for Leeds proves its not goals from Ross that help a team get promoted.
Maybe - but without his goals and assists (don't forget them) we would have certainly been relegated!
Quote from: copthornemike on May 03, 2016, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 03, 2016, 12:31:59 PM
I think all the goals he scores for us and then for Leeds proves its not goals from Ross that help a team get promoted.
Maybe - but without his goals and assists (don't forget them) we would have certainly been relegated!
Easy to say but we just don't know because there would have been someone else playing.
Always difficult to know if players are 'difficult' when you are on the outside. Even when I was managing at local League level you had decent players with a bit of attitude. But if they scored or defended better than the others you picked them. Can't see it's that much different higher up.
Earlier comment about George Best and Rodney Marsh made me smile - I bet Alec Stock just told them to 'sup up and enjoy yourself' old boy! Halcien days.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: Statto on May 01, 2016, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
I'm not going to get into all the nitty gritty of how I know, who's told me, or who my sources are
quelle surprise
Yes, because of idiotic responses like this, from members who want rubber stamped proof, before they can accept any type of legitimacy. Just answer the question rather than acting like some kind of forum detective.
Nothing idiotic in being cautious with regard to contentious information from a source that isn't divulged.
Though you may be telling the truth, I've read claims on here, fuelled from supposed sources, that have proved to be plain wrong: from an imminent managerial appointment that never materialised to a player whose injury problems were meant to sideline him for the foreseeable future, only for him to take to the field of play 48 hours later (to mention but two).
If I were giving it the 'I've got news that our most popular player is undermining the Club, but I'm not going to tell you how I know' line, I'd expect to be treated with suspicion.
If he was so disliked then why do the other players celebrate with every goal he scores - surely they would walk away?
Quote from: BestOfBrede on May 03, 2016, 03:56:55 PM
If he was so disliked then why do the other players celebrate with every goal he scores - surely they would walk away?
Occasionally you can tell when a player is disliked by his peers. Allan Clarke springs to mind when he was here and he was often left to celebrate his many goals on his own - though I do remember a journalist commenting once that he saw Johnny Haynes run the length of the pitch to shake his hand while the rest of the team ignored Clarke. We are nowhere near that with Ross.
There would indeed have been "someone else playing". But having supported the Club for well over 50 years I can't remember all that many players who scored 20+ in a season, and with the largely inept signings made under Rigg/Kit, I'd be amazed if anyone bought had Ross left managed half that number (indeed with the quality of signings under those two we'd be luck if the putative new forward knew which goal to aim for).
I am happy to leave J and Ross to sort things out. If Ross really is a problem, S will surely out him, especially if anything like the kind of money referred to in relation to Villa's interest was truly on offer. But only a few weeks ago J talked of building a team around Ross, suggesting that he rates him and doesn't see him as disruptive.
Whatever effect his his personality has on his teammates, if Ross was to go, which three players do you think we should bring in to replace him? We'd probably need two to cover the total of his goals and yet another to make up for his assists. I personally think letting him go would be a disaster.
Saha's 27 (2000-1) was the last time anyone scored 20+ in the league.
Of course Louis was playing in a slightly better team (we got 90 that year)!
Quote from: Tonywa on May 03, 2016, 06:10:05 PM
Whatever effect his his personality has on his teammates, if Ross was to go, which three players do you think we should bring in to replace him? We'd probably need two to cover the total of his goals and yet another to make up for his assists. I personally think letting him go would be a disaster.
We'd need a creative player similar to Gaston Ramirez and a goal scorer similar to Rhodes.
If Ross goes, I go. I know I said that before we sold Roberts (and Dempsey... and Hangeland... and Stockdale...and Dejagah... and Boa Morte... and Malbranque... and Van Der Sar) BUT THIS TIME I MEAN IT!!! :031:
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Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on May 03, 2016, 07:49:12 PM
If Ross goes, I go. I know I said that before we sold Roberts (and Dempsey... and Hangeland... and Stockdale...and Dejagah... and Boa Morte... and Malbranque... and Van Der Sar) BUT THIS TIME I MEAN IT!!! :031:
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To the original question, for every footballer there is surely a price at which it would make sense to suggest to the player that a move should take place.
To the more general issues raised, when I watch RMcC, I see a winning mentality. When I hear him I hear the measured words of a seasoned pro. We need more of this, not less of it. I expect senior pros to be spelling out harsh realities from time to time.
When I read labels like "toxic" and "poison", I deplore the choice of such words. They tell me something about those who use them and absolutely nothing about RMcC.
Quote from: MJG on May 03, 2016, 12:31:59 PM
I think all the goals he scores for us and then for Leeds proves its not goals from Ross that help a team get promoted.
I'll agree with that, and I'm sure you'll agree that without his goals, we're probably in League One in August.
I would take the money for him if someone offers, let Dembele go if he wants to and then concentrate on getting a balance to the team where we have players playing for each other and not their own ego.
Quote from: Arthur on May 03, 2016, 01:55:50 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: Statto on May 01, 2016, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on May 01, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
I'm not going to get into all the nitty gritty of how I know, who's told me, or who my sources are
quelle surprise
Yes, because of idiotic responses like this, from members who want rubber stamped proof, before they can accept any type of legitimacy. Just answer the question rather than acting like some kind of forum detective.
Nothing idiotic in being cautious with regard to contentious information from a source that isn't divulged.
Though you may be telling the truth, I've read claims on here, fuelled from supposed sources, that have proved to be plain wrong: from an imminent managerial appointment that never materialised to a player whose injury problems were meant to sideline him for the foreseeable future, only for him to take to the field of play 48 hours later (to mention but two).
If I were giving it the 'I've got news that our most popular player is undermining the Club, but I'm not going to tell you how I know' line, I'd expect to be treated with suspicion.
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Spot on!
Quote from: HatterDon on May 03, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 03, 2016, 12:31:59 PM
I think all the goals he scores for us and then for Leeds proves its not goals from Ross that help a team get promoted.
I'll agree with that, and I'm sure you'll agree that without his goals, we're probably in League One in August.
And without inept defenders we might be top of the league.
Dembele's goals have been just as important in keeping us up as well then.
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Quote from: HatterDon on May 03, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: MJG on May 03, 2016, 12:31:59 PM
I think all the goals he scores for us and then for Leeds proves its not goals from Ross that help a team get promoted.
I'll agree with that, and I'm sure you'll agree that without his goals, we're probably in League One in August.
And without inept defenders we might be top of the league.
Dembele's goals have been just as important in keeping us up as well then.
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If Ross is toxic I say hire more toxic players.
I imagine the players who call him poison are the very same who stand like statues during our dire set pieces.
Getting rid of the one player who performed and committed to a new contract is worse than folly.
Let's get rid of the malcontents who did little to contribute this season.
I'd say they hate Ross because his form showed up their own gutless efforts this year
I can't see Ross being "toxic" in terms of pissing off the other players. He did two things I've never seen anyone do before last season:
1. Turning down a penalty and, instead, giving the ball to Woodrow so he could get on the scoring chart.
2. Offering to give a sitter to Tunnicliffe instead of completing his hattrick against 'boro.
That doesn't sound as if he's causing trouble with his fellow players.
Maybe it's not the other players Ross isn't getting on with. Maybe he gets on with them very well but not with management/coaches
Anyhow I've no idea who gets on with who but I like reading all the thoeries. I do feel the player's aren't playing for the club/manager in the manner needed for whatever reason
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I think that Ross would have every right to be pissed off with his team mates, if true. As fast as he scores 'em, we let in almost the same number.
He's our best player............by far, and we need to do anything, and everything, to persuade him to stay.
If he is so disliked then other players just have to work harder and try perform better than him, then the manager would have less problems to sub or eventually sell him.
End off.
But it's always better to whine at other when the job is not done.
Quote from: Dembele96 on May 05, 2016, 09:07:30 PM
If he is so disliked then other players just have to work harder and try perform better than him, then the manager would have less problems to sub or eventually sell him.
End off.
But it's always better to whine at other when the job is not done.
Easy to say that but how does a player perform better than Ross if 1, he is not playing, 2 ,not playing enough 3, being played out of position so cannot play to his full potential
Quote from: New Kid on the Block on May 05, 2016, 12:39:59 PM
I think that Ross would have every right to be pissed off with his team mates, if true. As fast as he scores 'em, we let in almost the same number.
He's our best player............by far, and we need to do anything, and everything, to persuade him to stay.
For the first 7 games he was non existant, poor work rate, then throws a hissy fit and wants to leave unless we give him more money, then wants another contract extention, sorry he is not our best player at all, yes scores goals but look at the sitters he has missed, he and Dembele can clear off and lets get some players in who want to play at Fulham for Fulham.
Could we not sell most of our players and simply 'BUY' Northampton Town's squad?
They have won their league by 12 points, play for each other, Defend, Attack and support each other.
They might not be quite 'Championship' standard yet, but a decent Manager can lift them up to the required level.
We would still have change and could simply buy Leicester City, when we get to the Premiership!
Easy ;)
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Quote from: New Kid on the Block on May 05, 2016, 12:39:59 PM
I think that Ross would have every right to be pissed off with his team mates, if true. As fast as he scores 'em, we let in almost the same number.
He's our best player............by far, and we need to do anything, and everything, to persuade him to stay.
For the first 7 games he was non existant, poor work rate, then throws a hissy fit and wants to leave unless we give him more money, then wants another contract extention, sorry he is not our best player at all, yes scores goals but look at the sitters he has missed, he and Dembele can clear off and lets get some players in who want to play at Fulham for Fulham.
What not our best player?
He is miles ahead of anyone in our side,and without him
we would be in League 1 next season.
And he never asked for a transfer ask Lonergan who stated
it was all paper talk.
Maybe I've made a mistake replying here and your post
is a joke,if not you've been on the sherbet.
