So will this make it harder in the future for European players (like Madl, Dembele, Amorebietta etc.) and managers (like Jokanovic) to get work permits in the UK?
Any Fulham fan that voted for leave, when Jokanovic gets deported and we have to start ANOTHER manager search, that's on YOU
Frankly, right now this is the last thing I'm worried about. Disaster.
Best thing ever to happen to this country.
Cant believe the Bookies got it wrong,they were going 1/10 remain
and 5/1leave yesterday lunchtime. :wine: :wine: :wine: :drums: :yay:
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Best thing ever to happen to this country.
Cant believe the Bookies got it wrong,they were going 1/10 remain
and 5/1leave yesterday lunchtime. :wine: :wine: :wine: :drums: :yay:
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Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 07:09:56 AM
Any Fulham fan that voted for leave, when Jokanovic gets deported and we have to start ANOTHER manager search, that's on YOU
And if that's the only concern you have in your life then I'm very jealous of how stress free it must be for you.
Someone answer the op's question so that I can lock this as it's bound to get political. It's a fair question so I think the op deserves an appropriate response
I dont think it will make it harder,if it does it will only
benefit players coming through the ranks at clubs here who are
held back by too many average players from Europe..
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 07:09:56 AM
Any Fulham fan that voted for leave, when Jokanovic gets deported and we have to start ANOTHER manager search, that's on YOU
I voted remain, so I share your anger. However Jokanovic is Serbian and Serbia isn't in the EU, so it won't affect him.
Quote from: The Moose on June 24, 2016, 07:36:45 AM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 07:09:56 AM
Any Fulham fan that voted for leave, when Jokanovic gets deported and we have to start ANOTHER manager search, that's on YOU
I voted remain, so I share your anger. However Jokanovic is Serbian and Serbia isn't in the EU, so it won't affect him.
I worked 15 hours in a polling station, only had 5 hours sleep the night before, and 6 hours tonight. My brain isn't working 100%. Just switch it with a correct answer... Lasse Vigen Christensen... yeah him, I think, Denmark are in it aren't they?
Snibbo do you think it could actually enhance the English game? Surely if it means less foreign players coming through especially the likes of Matilla on the cheap it means players like George Williams wouldn't go out on loan to Gillingham and MK Dons, he will get a chance with us instead.
It's a gamble that most clubs don't risk as it's easier to loan them out and find an experienced Player for peanuts on the continent. Not that I am too fussed about the national team but I think it could mean the manager has a bigger pool to select from going forward and more importantly I think it's important to remember our history and appreciate just how much British talent has done for us.
Going forward I don't see it being a bad problem to face but I'm not an expert.
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 07:38:54 AM
Quote from: The Moose on June 24, 2016, 07:36:45 AM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 07:09:56 AM
Any Fulham fan that voted for leave, when Jokanovic gets deported and we have to start ANOTHER manager search, that's on YOU
I voted remain, so I share your anger. However Jokanovic is Serbian and Serbia isn't in the EU, so it won't affect him.
I worked 15 hours in a polling station, only had 5 hours sleep the night before, and 6 hours tonight. My brain isn't working 100%. Just switch it with a correct answer... Lasse Vigen Christensen... yeah him, I think, Denmark are in it aren't they?
Good point re SJ
Or the likes of Jol (yes I know), Tigana, Magath (again, yes I know).
Many might be less able to afford to go to games if there is a recession.
Fulham's finances could be generally affected.
Not able to get cheap European players, and British players' price goes up- possibly.
I'm so happy the UK voted out!!! Didn't realistically believe for a second it would happen.
So many unknowns
As long as whichever government is in power (and it really doesn't matter as long as it's not a far right outfit) is making money out of it nothing will change, and as we know there is a hell of a lot of money in Football and loads of lovely TAX to be drained off by the powers that be from every payment made.
Without being political lets play with the one fact we have . The pound is weaker and will remain weaker
A lower pound means that we will need to pay more pounds to buy and pay any foreign player ( whether from EU or not )
On the other had the debt in US$ will be less for Khan . Sadly though with FFP he cannot put more money in .
Quote from: Snibbo on June 24, 2016, 06:55:37 AM
So will this make it harder in the future for European players (like Madl, Dembele, Amorebietta etc.) and managers (like Jokanovic) to get work permits in the UK?
It will take several months, probably a year for the new policies to be put in place and there will be no effect on Europeans working in the UK until then.
Even at that point, Europeans working in the UK will be safe and may at worst have to apply for a Visa. They are rarely a problem for anyone in employment. The issues with applying for a Visa tend to surround those with no job, or no-where to live.
So, in essence ... no real effect.
I'll say this. If the rules we will be under, were in place a few years ago. Dembele, LVC, Minkwitz, Joronen etc would have not been allowed to join. So our academy is going to take a hit
Let the dust settle, the media will in it's honeymoon period for the next few weeks about this result.
Let's judge it when and reflect in few years time.
Plus, they'll hardly suddenly deport all the Non english players and managers...
Let's not have an EU discussion on this board please :(
I come on here for an escape from my news feeds on networks being flooded.
Please keep this thread purely based on the impact Brexit will have on Fulham FC. If any political debates are started, this thread will be locked.
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 10:12:57 AM
I'll say this. If the rules we will be under, were in place a few years ago. Dembele, LVC, Minkwitz, Joronen etc would have not been allowed to join. So our academy is going to take a hit
That's a fair point but this isn't a problem that Fulham and only Fulham will face now. All clubs will have a list of players you could say this about and going forward most small clubs will be pushed into investing more in scouting in Britain to find those gems.
If we didn't have these players to sign then players like Hyndman and Roberts may have found themselves getting more game time and who knows, they may have added to their value, signed contracts and we would have made a decent profit. Ironically they didn't get that chance and we lost out on quite a bit of potential dosh.
I'm not an expert on any of this but to me it's all ifs and buts at this stage and hopefully the results will only start to show in a couple of years time when Fulham are back in the prem signing European players who will be eligible.
Agree lets stay about the impact on FFC or football.
I read somewhere that some work permits may be reviewed, or some want that too happen I should say. Interestingly there are a few foreign players who would then fail the rules as they stand right now. Payet, Kante to name just two of them.
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 24, 2016, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 10:12:57 AM
I'll say this. If the rules we will be under, were in place a few years ago. Dembele, LVC, Minkwitz, Joronen etc would have not been allowed to join. So our academy is going to take a hit
That's a fair point but this isn't a problem that Fulham and only Fulham will face now. All clubs will have a list of players you could say this about and going forward most small clubs will be pushed into investing more in scouting in Britain to find those gems.
If we didn't have these players to sign then players like Hyndman and Roberts may have found themselves getting more game time and who knows, they may have added to their value, signed contracts and we would have made a decent profit. Ironically they didn't get that chance and we lost out on quite a bit of potential dosh.
I'm not an expert on any of this but to me it's all ifs and buts at this stage and hopefully the results will only start to show in a couple of years time when Fulham are back in the prem signing European players who will be eligible.
Yeah, there's pros and cons either way. On one hand, our academy will have more British players, thus helping their development, but all sides need that touch of skill/flair that only foreign players bring (purely based on their upbringing and how they were taught overseas), so will that bring the standard down?
It's a tough one
Hearing Tories have already approached Mike Rigg to find a replacement for Cameron,,,he has a strong track record in this sort of thing
All credit to @BigBriFFC
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Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on June 24, 2016, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 10:12:57 AM
I'll say this. If the rules we will be under, were in place a few years ago. Dembele, LVC, Minkwitz, Joronen etc would have not been allowed to join. So our academy is going to take a hit
That's a fair point but this isn't a problem that Fulham and only Fulham will face now. All clubs will have a list of players you could say this about and going forward most small clubs will be pushed into investing more in scouting in Britain to find those gems.
If we didn't have these players to sign then players like Hyndman and Roberts may have found themselves getting more game time and who knows, they may have added to their value, signed contracts and we would have made a decent profit. Ironically they didn't get that chance and we lost out on quite a bit of potential dosh.
I'm not an expert on any of this but to me it's all ifs and buts at this stage and hopefully the results will only start to show in a couple of years time when Fulham are back in the prem signing European players who will be eligible.
Yeah, there's pros and cons either way. On one hand, our academy will have more British players, thus helping their development, but all sides need that touch of skill/flair that only foreign players bring (purely based on their upbringing and how they were taught overseas), so will that bring the standard down?
It's a tough one
Possibly but what did Legwinski have that Lee Clark didn't? What did Payet have that George Best didn't? What did Kante have that Haynes didn't?
I'm a big fan of all those players from Europe who add quality and make the English game so special. And it will be a shame but instead of a club like us signing Ohara because he's a free and going to France and getting Dembele. Maybe we will scrap both and find a middle ground with a British Player worth investing in.
Short term will be hard as there clearly isn't enough talent in this country to fill the void but if needs must clubs and the FA will be pushed into focusing more on the development/ recruitment of British players.
Plus the door isn't shut to Europe. It just means we only get the ones good enough to be playing for their country. So the quality/ entertainment value should remain. Players like Payet and Kante and very rare, let's be honest.
The likes that can't be signed will be cheap players who were an easy alternative to the risk of investing more money and faith in a young British Player. And we can still get players from the other continents.
We can't, and probably wouldn't want to, go back to the position in the 1950s and 1960s but I got a lot of pride from the fact that many in the first team were local, and I think players who arrived there through the ranks had a genuine loyalty to the Club.
That said, in those days it was really exciting to get the occasional non-local, star player, the excellent Graham Leggat being the main one when I started watching Fulham.
Sadly it means that players will have to all be born within the sound of the Craven Cottage moans. We will all have to cross multiple borders just to get to the ground. Games will be subject to the Little England Rules where women will be in the kitchen cooking meals for their blokes. Men will get drunk and Fulham will be relegated. We will have a new owner with no money but will be English. He will be mad and subject to fits of violence.
But we will be in a civil war in a few years time so we deserve nothing more.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 24, 2016, 11:02:10 AM
Sadly it means that players will have to all be born within the sound of the Craven Cottage moans. We will all have to cross multiple borders just to get to the ground. Games will be subject to the Little England Rules where women will be in the kitchen cooking meals for their blokes. Men will get drunk and Fulham will be relegated. We will have a new owner with no money but will be English. He will be mad and subject to fits of violence.
But we will be in a civil war in a few years time so we deserve nothing more.
Hear hear. Let's give a cheer to Little Britain. Willingly cutting off all our limbs to spite Johnny foreigner.
The UK has to invoke Article 50 and serve notice that it intends to leave the EU. That won't happen any time soon. Probably not until Cameron has walked out of No10 later this year.
At that point, the notice period to exit the EU is 2 years, and during that period the UK authorities will need to get their head around what the UK immigration system will be.
I would imagine that there will be an exemption or fast track process for professional sports people.
It will only good for the English game in the long run. Buying similar ability players for far less will hopefully be more difficult, and it will be beneficial for clubs to focus on bringing through younger players.
In the short term it won't have an effect on Fulham. After all its at least a two year process to leave the EU proper.
I don't think it will effect prices much, although within England we may see more promotion of youth and who knows what that will do to the price of talent at that level. It may be that prices for players stay the same but difficulties with work permits mean that markets within the UK start to change.
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I would suggest a larger implication (eventually) is that there could be a limit to the number of foreign players allowed to play for anyone team
Fulham v Newcastle will be a significant game.
It will highlight the North/South divide.
Interesting that 'Central London' had huge "remain" votes but the outer suburbs (commuter belts) were predominantly "Leave'
Good thread, interesting subject. IF the academies throughout the country have to give more British kids a chance, that is a good thing in the long run. (I guess).
British players becoming more expensive? Probably not, market forces will prevail.
Future tv money for the premier league? That is one for the long term.
Personally, I have pensions in UK, the pound against the US dollar has plummeted..aaaaaaargh.
I just read Real Madrid have a problem as Bale becomes a non euro player which makes one too many on their books.
I think it will, in the long term, benefit British players but not be good for the suits in football, the money men. That alone will not be a bad thing.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on June 24, 2016, 01:26:55 PM
Fulham v Newcastle will be a significant game.
It will highlight the North/South divide.
Interesting that 'Central London' had huge "remain" votes but the outer suburbs (commuter belts) were predominantly "Leave'
That broadly follows the voting pattern in General Elections: Inner London: Labour, Outer London: Conservative.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 24, 2016, 11:02:10 AM
Sadly it means that players will have to all be born within the sound of the Craven Cottage moans. We will all have to cross multiple borders just to get to the ground. Games will be subject to the Little England Rules where women will be in the kitchen cooking meals for their blokes. Men will get drunk and Fulham will be relegated. We will have a new owner with no money but will be English. He will be mad and subject to fits of violence.
But we will be in a civil war in a few years time so we deserve nothing more.
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Well as it stands... its just means old mccsratch will be able to get over for a match for less money...
My yankee greenback is now worth 3/4 of a pound... Stunning stuff. 075.gif
All you need to know on how leaving the EU will affect west London football and player recruitment
How will a British exit affect our football teams?
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Brexit and footballBrexit and football
Britain has decided to leave the European Union - but what impact will the historic result have on our football teams?
Barnet, Brentford, Chelsea, QPR, and Fulham, have squads containing players from the continent and beyond.
Brentford's squad for the 2015/16 season had 10 players from the EU, Blues had eight, Fulham six and QPR six. Barnet had two, while AFC Wimbledon had none.
It is worth noting that the Republic of Ireland has been included in this list and some of those players may also now have dual citizenship.
So how does a British exit from the EU in the coming years affect our football teams?
The Birmingham Mail asked Simon Chadwick, Professor of Sports Enterprise at the University of Salford and Chair in Sport Business Strategy and Marketing at Coventry University Business School.
What's the immediate knock-on effect for foreign players here?
Obviously players from European Union countries won't be able to live and work here without a work permit.
The rules are quite complicated because the Premier League, Football League and the Football Association have negotiated special deals with the Government for players outside the EU.
This all depends on the number of games players have played for their national team in competitive matches over the last two years and the Fifa ranking of the country.
What's the current rule?
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The current rule for non EU players us that if you have a player from a country with a ranking of 50 in the world they must have played a minimum of 60 per cent of games.
If you try to sign a player from say Brazil, the requirement of games is much lower, at around 30 per cent, because the country's ranking will be much higher.
A player from Nigeria who has never played for their national team would under current rules find it almost impossible to get a work permit.
Belgium have very different rules to us.
Kolo Toure did not meet work permit requirements when Arsenal first tried to sign him.
He was parked in Belgium so he could play there and build up his experience.
Because of his time in Belgium he was allowed to then sign for Arsenal.
Clubs have acquired talent by parking players in Europe, but that will not be possible any more.
There were fairly rigorous regulations in place already.
It's not just the likes of Victor Wanyama who will feel some uncertainty, it's managers as well.
Claudio Ranieri and Roberto Di Matteo to name just two.
What about work permits for players from EU countries?
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It's a massive change.
Right now the issue is around work permits, but we simply don't know what's going to happen when it comes to players and work permits.
The Government will have to tell us what the new rules will be.
The Premier League worked with the Government on the current work permit rules.
I envisage the Premier League, the Football Association and the Government striking a special where exemptions are given.
Those talks will have huge consequences on clubs in Britain.
How many British based players could technically be deported?
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A recent study found that between 300 and 400 players from EU countries in the top two divisions in England and Scotland would fail the current work permit requirments.
These include players like Leicester's N'Golo Kante and West Ham's Dimitri Payet.
I'm not expecting them to be deported any time soon.
It's only when you mention players of that stature that it hits home to some people have big an impact this could have.
In theory, the Government could begin to deport players, there's nothing to stop Britain now.
This decision enables the British Government to do what it wants to do.
But they could deport players. It's extremely unlikely, but it's a possibility.
The Leave campaign say there will be an amnesty so players here won't just be sent home.
For the player, there is though a period of uncertainty and issues around whether they can stay here or not in the long-term.
Having said all of that, the Premier League is a huge global entity and I don't envisage the Government undermining the competitive advantage of British clubs when football is so valuable to the British economy.
What affect will the British pound's current devaluation have on the transfer market?
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The pound has plummeted to a 30-year low.
The transfer window opens soon and British clubs will suddenly be at a disadvantage.
Whatever clubs were paying players is now worth ten per cent less.
So in terms of signing players, players will go elsewhere unless British clubs can find the extra money from within their budgets or maybe the TV rights money that comes into play.
Clubs are going to have to do something fairly dramatic to compete effectively with clubs in other countries in the transfer window.
It's not looking to the future, what we know right now is that what our clubs pay footballers from other countries has been suddenly undermined by the fall of the pound.
I'm not saying we've got a result that decides people's employment status it's what has happened.
Wages to foreign players had ten per cent of its value taken away.
This is the short-term effect.
What Villa now pay Di Matteo and Jordan Veretout is now worth less than what it was 24 hours ago.
Brexit won't really affect non-EU players?There's no change for non-EU players.
It's the same as previously for them, but a much bigger issue is we here the Leave campaign say it will negotiate special deals with Commonwealth countries.
Might we see more players from Commonwealth countries like Nigeria, Jamaica and Australia playing in the Premier League and English football?
English football remains a global entity.
We might see the geographic composition of the leagues change so there's not so many European players, but more from Commonwealth countries.
We simply don't know until the deals are negotiated and we don't know when that will be.
What about the Bosman ruling and freedom of movement?
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Bosman is a European Union ruling and is held up as the reason why the Premier League has grown and developed as it has.
In theory Bosman no longer applies.
The Webster ruling and Kolpack ruling means we'll still see some freedom of movement.
When all the deals are done the nature of the football transfer market is that we'll probably see the same freedom of movement.
There will be other regulations beyond Bosman that will still be in force and have the same impact as Bosman.
How will Brexit be received by the Premier League and the EFL?
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Chief Executive Richard Scudamore said earlier this week he was in favour of remaining so this is obviously not what the Premier League was looking for.
It's not just a bunch of guys who like football, it's a global business and I'm sure the Premier League have a particular strategy in mind to go to the Government with.
And that will be the same for the Football League by and large.
People in football have said nothing about Brexit.
This is a reflection of two things.
That the football authorities have a very good relationship with the Government and that will be huge in terms of what happens next.
The other thing is clubs did not want to alienate their fan base by saying yes or no.
Oh ye of little faith !
The futures bright !
Of course that depends on the route taken from today but I'm optimistic.
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on June 24, 2016, 10:12:57 AM
I'll say this. If the rules we will be under, were in place a few years ago. Dembele, LVC, Minkwitz, Joronen etc would have not been allowed to join. So our academy is going to take a hit
You are talking with no knowledge of how things will turn out, only a heap of biased assumptions
Equally as concerning for clubs would be the regulation which governs the registration of youth players.
FIFA rules state that players under the age of 18 cannot be transferred across borders. However, there is an exception within the European Union which reduces the age to 16, as it is against EU statutes to restrict the movement of people aged 16-18.
This means 16-year-olds have always been able to move between European clubs when they reach professional-contract age, and that in turn has led to hundreds of players switching clubs for a minimal compensation fee.
The referendum result itself does not carry with it any legal obligation or force. Following negotiated agreements under Article 50 (or two years after its invocation if no agreements are reached) it will still need Parliamentary legislation for the UK to leave the EU. In theory a pro-remain Parliament could vote down 'leave' legislation. MPs are unlikely to so brazenly go against democratically expressed public opinion (and leading politicians have said they will accept the referendum result - so that's all right!) and political mayhem would certainly result.
So there is unlikely to be much rapid change in Fulham's situation or that of football in general, although MD may prefer his next pay cheque to be in Euros!
The original post referred to SJ . He is Serbian and as such would have had to acquire a work permit anyway. The statement is tantamount to saying we couldn't go work in America , which of course having gone through the correct procedure we can.
Quote from: bobbo on June 24, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
The original post referred to SJ . He is Serbian and as such would have had to acquire a work permit anyway. The statement is tantamount to saying we couldn't go work in America , which of course having gone through the correct procedure we can.
How many points will a manager need to work in this country using an Australian style points system? And i'm not talking league points
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on June 24, 2016, 01:26:55 PM
Fulham v Newcastle will be a significant game.
It will highlight the North/South divide.
Interesting that 'Central London' had huge "remain" votes but the outer suburbs (commuter belts) were predominantly "Leave'
Newcastle voted to Remain.
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Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on June 24, 2016, 01:26:55 PM
Fulham v Newcastle will be a significant game.
It will highlight the North/South divide.
Interesting that 'Central London' had huge "remain" votes but the outer suburbs (commuter belts) were predominantly "Leave'
Newcastle voted to Remain.
Only just, and by a lot less than the pundits were forecasting.
Anyhow, hopefully they will be remaining on zero points after the match.
See what I did there?
Curious to read how folks believe the value of the English player will be affected both within English football and continentally.
If the value of the pound remains suppressed, would players from the UK be more inclined to test continental waters for Euros rather than stay "home" so to speak.
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Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on June 24, 2016, 05:59:14 PM
Curious to read how folks believe the value of the English player will be affected both within English football and continentally.
If the value of the pound remains suppressed, would players from the UK be more inclined to test continental waters for Euros rather than stay "home" so to speak.
In all my years as a football fan I have never heard anyone refer to exchange rates when explaining a particular transfer deal.
As I said earlier the pound has moves up or down, to a greater extent than it has today, pretty much every season, but you don't see Foreign clubs clamouring for English players or vice versa as a consequence.
Without wanting to get too political, it will be 10 yrs before we know the true economic impact of brexit. Today's events are just a consequence of the establishment's nightmarish predictions about brexit, which are self-fulfilling. The FTSE and Sterling were both stabilising or even bouncing back slightly by the time I left the office.
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Guess we should have kept that donkey Burn instead of going for "average european players"
Imo I can't see the EU change having anything to do with football.
Ho hum.
Quote from: Skatzoffc on June 24, 2016, 09:04:42 PM
Imo I can't see the EU change having anything to do with football.
Ho hum.
It will affect everything in one way or another.
The vote was also to break up the UK. So Scotland and N Ireland will be breaking away from what was the UK. So English players with the odd Welshman if they decide to stay will the only ones not requiring passports and jabs.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 24, 2016, 11:45:06 PM
The vote was also to break up the UK. So Scotland and N Ireland will be breaking away from what was the UK. So English players with the odd Welshman if they decide to stay will the only ones not requiring passports and jabs.
Haven't some people started calling for London to go independent now because it voted remain. If that's the case we will be left with Betts, Fredericks and Parker lol.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-25/brexit-premier-league-in-limbo-over-foreign-players/7543152
Key points:
Confusion in EPL circles over Brexit's impact on foreign players
Premier League clubs could lose right to sign u18 foreign players
Formula One says Brexit will make no difference
On a practical level there was confusion over what the EU exit would mean for foreign players, not only in the lucrative English Premier League, but also in cricket and rugby union.
Sports lawyers say it is crucial that Britain negotiates successfully to remain part of Europe's single market, which enshrines freedom of movement.
Failure to do so could lead to an exodus of foreign talent and also restrictions on buying players.
Clubs could also lose the right to sign young players under the age of 18. At the moment, they can carry out such deals under a special arrangement between football world governing body FIFA and the EU.
Lineker, though, was more concerned about what impact the vote would have on his four sons.
'Ashamed of my generation'
The 55-year-old former Barcelona and England striker blasted the 50+ generation - the majority of whom voted to leave - for letting down the young.
Former Liverpool and England defender, and father of two, Jamie Carragher, a Champions League winner in 2005, also aimed his vitriol at the 50+ generation.
Northern Irish golf superstar Rory McIlroy cheekily suggested going back to January 1 and starting the whole year over again.
Northern Ireland was one of the few geographical regions - London and Scotland being the other two - where a majority of voters wished to remain.
Premier League question mark over foreign talent
Aguero celebrates goal in League Cup semi-final
PHOTO: The Premier League's foreign stars have been crucial to making it the most watched competition in European football. (Getty Images: Laurence Griffiths)
In terms of the effect on foreign playing talent in English football, Football Association (FA) chairman Greg Dyke - a pro-Remain campaigner - said it would take a while to assess the impact.
"It could take two years to really know, but there could be quite an impact on English football because of Brexit," he said.
"It would be a shame if some of the great European players can't come here but I don't think that will happen. Whether the total number reduces will depend on the terms of the exit."
Dan Lowen, a partner at a leading specialist sports law firm, said staying in the single market was essential to ensure the Premier League remained competitive in the transfer market for foreign talent.
However, if at the end of the future negotiations over exiting the EU Britain did not succeed in remaining a member then all bets were off.
The extent of the impact "will be dependent in part on the terms of the renegotiated relationship with the EU. If we remain within the single market and accept freedom of movement as a result, the position may not change significantly.
"On the other hand, if there is no freedom of movement, it will be left to the UK government to determine the work permit rules that apply to players with EU citizenship."
Brexit makes no difference to F1: Ecclestone
Anyone would think the UK lived in total isolation pre-1973. The truth is the reverse, with Britain being a pretty cosmopolitan place throughout the sixties. The greatest threat to Fulham, where I was born and bred, was the influx of gentrification once Kensington and Chelsea was full. Crossing the Thames to Battersea, Wandsworth, Putney, Clapham etc was the answer. We are often asked to focus on immigrants but the reality is simply one of who has the money and therefore the clout. Only people of my age group know what Fulham was like just after the end of WW2. I once had a girlfriend who lived in a basement flat opposite Stamford Bridge which had no bathroom or inside loo. Her parents were eventually harassed into departing for accommodation in the much poorer Wandsworth. Football was truly working class but there was still trading for foreign players and coaching staff etc but obviously not on the scale there is today. Money spoke just as loudly as it does today and that is why Johnny Haynes is rightfully held in such high regard by Fulham Football Club, not just as a truly gifted player.
Leaving the EU may be the start of something very new for Europe but I am not over worried about how it will pan out. It could just mark the renaissance of decency, something Johnny Haynes taught everyone who watched him play. It may be a very enlightening decade coming up, and people may be admiring the leave voters before too much water has travelled under the bridge.
When applying for a work permit, there are exceptions for exceptional cases. Martial wouldn't for instance have enough recent caps for France, but he would undoubtedly get a permit. If someone was going to be paid bucket loads, and would hopefully be paying UK tax on that (another issue), that transfer is going to happen.
u18's moving from Europe to England though - that could change recruitment dramatically. Could even have a positive impact on younger players? Who knows?
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 25, 2016, 01:45:43 PM
Why wouldn't Britain simply revise those rules/laws which will otherwise negatively impact football once the EU accommodations no longer apply? It 's not as if governing organisations and legislative bodies can't make the changes necessary to maintain certain advantages and parity gained during all of the years when Britain was part of the EU, right? As I read these very informative posts, I'm left with the sense that the posters think it's an either/or proposition. I don't agree with that notion. Rules and regs will be revised to keep certain privileges gained under the EU regime, once that regime no longer controls. Why? Because they worked and benefited Britain. I guess what I'm suggesting is that you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Pick and choose what you liked about the effects of once being part of the EU, and try to implement them post-break up. Go forward, not backward.
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Can we remind everyone once again, that this post is based around what the impact would be on FFC by leaving the EU, and not any other political matters. Political debates on this Forum are not encouraged, however, we've given this one the benefit of the doubt, so please keep within those guidelines. We've been through this post again, and removed any comments that are not relevant to the this post.
The same rules shall surely apply to FFC as to all clubs and businesses. It will probably mean that if special dispensation is given to a entertainer that kicks or heads a ball well enough to be considered for employment by FFC that same dispensation will be entitled to the qualified cleaner, food seller, turnstile operator et al that is equally talented in their field of work and FFC wish to employ them. If not how will FFC let us into a clean ground and sell us food and drink?
I think post-break up changes to rules affecting football (who can play, how many of them can play, travel restrictions, wage and hour/conditions of employment, bargaining representation, etc.) can be given different treatment than would be afforded for turnstile operators, food preparers, and cleaners (the examples given in recent posts, above). In the services industry, certain services are considered unique, rather than fungible. I think football players fit that profile. I can see Britain and the EU (for as long as there still is an EU) coming to mutual agreement on rules of the road regarding treatment of pro sports players so as to retain, to the greatest extent possible, a level playing field of treatment, advantages to all concerned as of the present moment. Why should there be any protectionist legislation that treats the native player differently from the foreign player? One of the characteristics of the EPL and the Championship league that is so interesting to fans of the game is the mix of nationalities playing for clubs. And managing the teams. Why revert to wall building? Of course there should be more English players starting on English league teams. In a perfect world anyway. But if you force quotas down fans' throats, you end up with a diluted product. And homogeneity breeds a lack of innovation and improvement. I hope Britain and EU decide to maintain freedom of movement for players, and other progressive stances for the betterment of the game, and the appreciation of the fans who want to see a superior product on the pitch.
Despite wanting to leave to scout new players and get a better deal. The manager is stuck inside his office. He doesn't know how to leave.
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 26, 2016, 09:57:52 AM
I think post-break up changes to rules affecting football .......... for the betterment of the game, and the appreciation of the fans who want to see a superior product on the pitch.
Thanks for your interesting and informative article. When we are eventually outside the EU, there seems to be no reason why Parliament would not be able to pass whatever restrictive or protectionist legislation it wished, allowing, for instance Brazilians but not EU citizens. As you say there seems no reason why it would wish to do so.
Thanks, too, for the extension to my vocabulary. Never come across 'fungible' before. Got me thinking about fungible footballers. Perhaps Shilton and Clemence for a period in the 70s/80s and Gianni Rivera and Sandro Mazzola for Valcareggi's Italy. On a somewhat less exalted level we appear to have had a bunch of fungible centre backs last season.
Quote from: cmg on June 26, 2016, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: Forever Fulham on June 26, 2016, 09:57:52 AM
I think post-break up changes to rules affecting football .......... for the betterment of the game, and the appreciation of the fans who want to see a superior product on the pitch.
Thanks for your interesting and informative article. When we are eventually outside the EU, there seems to be no reason why Parliament would not be able to pass whatever restrictive or protectionist legislation it wished, allowing, for instance Brazilians but not EU citizens. As you say there seems no reason why it would wish to do so.
Thanks, too, for the extension to my vocabulary. Never come across 'fungible' before. Got me thinking about fungible footballers. Perhaps Shilton and Clemence for a period in the 70s/80s and Gianni Rivera and Sandro Mazzola for Valcareggi's Italy. On a somewhat less exalted level we appear to have had a bunch of fungible centre backs last season.
Fungibly bad anyway! :005:
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 25, 2016, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on June 25, 2016, 12:04:26 PM
Anyone would think the UK lived in total isolation pre-1973. The truth is the reverse, with Britain being a pretty cosmopolitan place throughout the sixties. The greatest threat to Fulham, where I was born and bred, was the influx of gentrification once Kensington and Chelsea was full. Crossing the Thames to Battersea, Wandsworth, Putney, Clapham etc was the answer. We are often asked to focus on immigrants but the reality is simply one of who has the money and therefore the clout. Only people of my age group know what Fulham was like just after the end of WW2. I once had a girlfriend who lived in a basement flat opposite Stamford Bridge which had no bathroom or inside loo. Her parents were eventually harassed into departing for accommodation in the much poorer Wandsworth. Football was truly working class but there was still trading for foreign players and coaching staff etc but obviously not on the scale there is today. Money spoke just as loudly as it does today and that is why Johnny Haynes is rightfully held in such high regard by Fulham Football Club, not just as a truly gifted player.
Leaving the EU may be the start of something very new for Europe but I am not over worried about how it will pan out. It could just mark the renaissance of decency, something Johnny Haynes taught everyone who watched him play. It may be a very enlightening decade coming up, and people may be admiring the leave voters before too much water has travelled under the bridge.
I agree with your sentiments.
Well I totally disagree.
