Not before time.
Shame. A lot of the blame should be on the shoulders of the disgraceful players.
But Roy's level is really Fulham, WBA. Any time he reaches higher it ends in tears
Didn't drop a single point in the qualifiers; something happened.
A sad end Roy, I love you to bits for what you did for us, but as soon as I saw the team with Sterling and Sturridge starting I knew we were out. Neither can control a ball and continually turn over possession, Kane has been a shadow of the player he has been all season. The only one who looked like a good player last night was Rashfords little cameo, how sad is that. As for Rooney, never should have gone, you bowed down to media pressure. I really wish you well Roy but what a horrible end for a noble man. But then that is the life of an England manager I suppose.
sign him up
Our players flatter to deceive - they look good in the Prem surrounded by foreign players, but on their own they look very average.
I don't watch the Prem , so I was looking forward to seeing the likes of Kane - and he looked like a man playing in diving boots - so slow and inept. Other 'top' players looked lacking in confidence and experience and ability to cope with expectations, and unable to do even the most simple things effectively.
We just didn't look a team, while Iceland certainly did, and were world beaters in comparison.
Quote from: FishaPrice on June 28, 2016, 06:50:25 AM
sign him up
I think the BBC is the most likely organisation to sign him.
I think yesterday was another example of what we have seen frequently at Fulham - players selected that, as fans/viewers, we would prefer not selected.
Roy seemed, for example, to prefer Kane to Vardy, yet to me V seemed sharper whenever the two were on the pitch. But Roy sees the players in training and it is difficult for any of us realistically to believe we are actually better judges of a player than Roy, or of course J in the case of our club.
Similarly with the late introduction of Rashford. It seemed so clear with half an hour to go that we needed to change something, with Kane looking, as another poster has said, as though he was playing with lead in his boots. Rashford is very young but seems full of confidence and keen to try to beat people rather than pass backwards all the time. Why leave it so late? Roy obviously had his reasons, but it is bemusing.
All very strange and disappointing.
But at least (as far as we know) Roy wasn't having an affair with one of the FA secretaries and hasn't a history of questionable dealing/appearances in court, and always conducted himself with good grace. A very decent man but, at the end of the day, not able to deliver at national level.
As one poster said on this message we will be forever grateful to Roy for the time he spent at Fulham and what he did for us.
Apart from Liverpool his level is club management. Good luck to Roy.
One thing , when he was our manager he sorted out our defence, why could he not sort out the England defence.
Mr Swan, the answer is simple, not enough time to train the defenders into his methods I think.
Quote from: jarv on June 28, 2016, 01:26:24 PM
Mr Swan, the answer is simple, not enough time to train the defenders into his methods I think.
Spot on Danny Murphy was quoted as saying something along the lines as they did weeks and weeks of defensive shape training, usually without a ball.
The England manager job is more of a baby sitter role imo
The sooner players who would play for their country for pride only & are currently on form are selected the better. Reputations count for nothing.
Quote from: bobby01 on June 28, 2016, 05:37:39 AM
A sad end Roy, I love you to bits for what you did for us, but as soon as I saw the team with Sterling and Sturridge starting I knew we were out. Neither can control a ball and continually turn over possession, Kane has been a shadow of the player he has been all season. The only one who looked like a good player last night was Rashfords little cameo, how sad is that. As for Rooney, never should have gone, you bowed down to media pressure. I really wish you well Roy but what a horrible end for a noble man. But then that is the life of an England manager I suppose.
I couldn't have said it any better.
It's a shame, but not unexpected given how poor England were during this tournament. I am glad he went on his own terms and with a certain amount of dignity, rather than being fired by the suits at the FA.
I do think England have the makings of a good team. At an individual level there is some exciting talent in there e.g. Vardy, Rashford, etc. It's just that when you put them all together they are not clicking as a team, there is no on-field leadership when things need sorting out, and once again we have proven to be tactically inept.
I am not sure what the answer is. I just hope the FA don't think it is Harry Redknapp.
Please no not Harry Redc;;;.
Eddie Howe could be ready soon.
I'd have Roy back at the club in some capacity, maybe as director of Football.
Ah yes
Poor old Roy
Once again the over 65's being blamed for leaving Europe!
Quote from: mikestrand on June 28, 2016, 09:53:33 PM
I'd have Roy back at the club in some capacity, maybe as director of Football.
I think Roy could still do a good job as manager for us- managing a team like Fulham is where his strength lies, and I don't think he's past it. Get Ray Lew back too.
Quote from: RaySmith on June 29, 2016, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: mikestrand on June 28, 2016, 09:53:33 PM
I'd have Roy back at the club in some capacity, maybe as director of Football.
I think Roy could still do a good job as manager for us- managing a team like Fulham is where his strength lies, and I don't think he's past it. Get Ray Lew back too.
Managing a team like Fulham used to be, is his strength i.e. mid-table Prem. Not so sure he'd fit the Championship strugglers we are now though.
Gareth Southgate ( even as interim)??? God help us fp.gif
He has gone down in my estimation not only for his poor decisions as England manager but his attitude while resigning, reading from his pathetic notes.
Having to be persuaded to attend the next days press conference again showing a contemptuous arrogance to the press and fans alike.
Happy to talk the money and benefits but wasn't man enough to face the public when it all went wrong.
He just wanted to run away, shame on him!
"Having to be persuaded to attend the next days press conference again showing a contemptuous arrogance to the press and fans alike.
Happy to talk the money and benefits but wasn't man enough to face the public when it all went wrong.
He just wanted to run away, shame on him!"
I disagree. I thought Roy resigned with dignity after the match and he clearly wasn't in the mood to discuss the performance in detail the following day, probably because he didn't understand it (and no one else does) and didn't want to get into specifics such as why, suddenly, does a top player like Rooney suddenly become unable to trap a ball or pass it accurately 10 yards. He made it clear that he took responsibility and didn't want to say anything that might hurt the players, the large majority of whom will be playing for us for years to come, not because they are great by top international standards but because they are among the best we have.
I feel that in Roy we had a decent, principled and committed manager who did his best but came up short. No one will be feeling the disappointment more than him.
It must have been very hard for him watching that complete shambles, and knowing that was his career going down the pan.
I'm sure he had prepared the players, but after letting in two soft goals, after going in front when they seemed to turn off - which at this level you don't expect, but this young team always looked inexperienced and too reliant on Rooney - the team just felt apart when the pressure was on in the second -half.
Rooney had been very good in the previous games, but even he became totally inept - as they all were. They may not be the best in the world, but they are better than that display.
One thing about Wales and Iceland - is their freedom from pressure - there aren't any expectations placed on them.
Quote from: Oakeshott on June 29, 2016, 09:01:48 PM
"Having to be persuaded to attend the next days press conference again showing a contemptuous arrogance to the press and fans alike.
Happy to talk the money and benefits but wasn't man enough to face the public when it all went wrong.
He just wanted to run away, shame on him!"
I disagree. I thought Roy resigned with dignity after the match and he clearly wasn't in the mood to discuss the performance in detail the following day, probably because he didn't understand it (and no one else does) and didn't want to get into specifics such as why, suddenly, does a top player like Rooney suddenly become unable to trap a ball or pass it accurately 10 yards. He made it clear that he took responsibility and didn't want to say anything that might hurt the players, the large majority of whom will be playing for us for years to come, not because they are great by top international standards but because they are among the best we have.
I feel that in Roy we had a decent, principled and committed manager who did his best but came up short. No one will be feeling the disappointment more than him.
You have a very odd idea of "dignity".
He was shifty and as for taking "responsibility" he may of said the word but he failed to recognise it was part of his well paid job to face the press and by association the public and explain the shambles.
We have all seen plenty of bland meaningless press interviews and he could have at least gone through the motions of being decent but all we saw was an angry man who could wait to get the hell out of the spot light.
He may of got his resignation in first but I bet he was still being paid at least until his luxury chauffeured car deposited him home, so he should have been man enough to face the flak rather than trying to scuttle off.
I'm not arguing that he's not a decent man generally but he's cracked under pressure and let himself down on this occasion.
"You have a very odd idea of "dignity"
Maybe, but it is my idea and I stand on it.
Roy has put in several years' work and must have been heartbroken by the shambles he saw in the second half of the Iceland game. In the circumstances of such disappointment (and of course the end of his hopes of making further progress in this competition and possibly the next World Cup), I thought he conducted himself absolutely properly. A thoroughly decent man to the end.
And the money is neither here nor there. Do you seriously imagine that well before being appointed England manager Roy was not already a wealthy man by most standards? He wasn't in that job for the money, but for the pride he has in our country and the challenge to his skills and experience as manager. At the age he was when appointed he could have stayed on earning plenty at WBA or decided to enjoy a well earned retirement.
Quote from: Oakeshott on June 29, 2016, 10:19:56 PM
"You have a very odd idea of "dignity"
Maybe, but it is my idea and I stand on it.
Roy has put in several years' work and must have been heartbroken by the shambles he saw in the second half of the Iceland game. In the circumstances of such disappointment (and of course the end of his hopes of making further progress in this competition and possibly the next World Cup), I thought he conducted himself absolutely properly. A thoroughly decent man to the end.
And the money is neither here nor there. Do you seriously imagine that well before being appointed England manager Roy was not already a wealthy man by most standards? He wasn't in that job for the money, but for the pride he has in our country and the challenge to his skills and experience as manager. At the age he was when appointed he could have stayed on earning plenty at WBA or decided to enjoy a well earned retirement.
Keep digging, the more you try to excuse his behaviour the sillier it sounds.
That's me done on this matter, its a minor detail compared to the teams performances over the years and the FA's failure to grasp whats needed to succeed.
Why is there always a big shock when England lose? they are not a successful football team capable of winning competitions they're just average players.
Quote from: bobby01 on June 28, 2016, 05:37:39 AM
A sad end Roy, I love you to bits for what you did for us, but as soon as I saw the team with Sterling and Sturridge starting I knew we were out. Neither can control a ball and continually turn over possession, Kane has been a shadow of the player he has been all season. The only one who looked like a good player last night was Rashfords little cameo, how sad is that. As for Rooney, never should have gone, you bowed down to media pressure. I really wish you well Roy but what a horrible end for a noble man. But then that is the life of an England manager I suppose.
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"Keep digging, the more you try to excuse his behaviour the sillier it sounds."
From my perspective, the more petulant your position.
Quote from: Oakeshott on June 29, 2016, 10:19:56 PM
"You have a very odd idea of "dignity"
Maybe, but it is my idea and I stand on it.
Roy has put in several years' work and must have been heartbroken by the shambles he saw in the second half of the Iceland game. In the circumstances of such disappointment (and of course the end of his hopes of making further progress in this competition and possibly the next World Cup), I thought he conducted himself absolutely properly. A thoroughly decent man to the end.
And the money is neither here nor there. Do you seriously imagine that well before being appointed England manager Roy was not already a wealthy man by most standards? He wasn't in that job for the money, but for the pride he has in our country and the challenge to his skills and experience as manager. At the age he was when appointed he could have stayed on earning plenty at WBA or decided to enjoy a well earned retirement.
:plus one: well said, at least there are some on here who are sensible
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on June 29, 2016, 08:52:32 PM
He has gone down in my estimation not only for his poor decisions as England manager but his attitude while resigning, reading from his pathetic notes.
Having to be persuaded to attend the next days press conference again showing a contemptuous arrogance to the press and fans alike.
Happy to talk the money and benefits but wasn't man enough to face the public when it all went wrong.
He just wanted to run away, shame on him!
What a poor post about a decent man! You really believe that Roy had the last say on the team selection? there is a lot to the FA that we don't know and they will do their best to keep hidden, had an interesting talk to an ex premiership manager who is an old friend of Roy's and I was amazed what he told me , I cannot say what was said as the conversation was private and I promised to not repeat what was said. No wonder nobody wants the job!
When we are in the bottom four around Nov/Dec let's hope he is available.
Quote from: epsomraver on June 30, 2016, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on June 29, 2016, 08:52:32 PM
He has gone down in my estimation not only for his poor decisions as England manager but his attitude while resigning, reading from his pathetic notes.
Having to be persuaded to attend the next days press conference again showing a contemptuous arrogance to the press and fans alike.
Happy to talk the money and benefits but wasn't man enough to face the public when it all went wrong.
He just wanted to run away, shame on him!
What a poor post about a decent man! You really believe that Roy had the last say on the team selection? there is a lot to the FA that we don't know and they will do their best to keep hidden, had an interesting talk to an ex premiership manager who is an old friend of Roy's and I was amazed what he told me , I cannot say what was said as the conversation was private and I promised to not repeat what was said. No wonder nobody wants the job!
Let me clarify if possible.
As the manger I was disappointed he failed to deliver results at the knock out stages, there was no method in the tactics and he didn't know his best team etc.
Nothing new here then for an England manager, but I thought he would be different.
As for the way he handled the resignation/interviews situation most who are not FFC fans have at the very least thought it rude and arrogant so don't be blinkered to what you have witnessed.
Granted the problems with the national team and the FA's attitude are many, hence the continued failures but that wasn't the discussion.
He handled the end appallingly, not what I expect from a decent man but hey ho ! he's human I'll forgive him, its not a major crime but I bet he wished he had handled it better.
But you are right about the FA nothing will change until its reformed.
