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Title: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: Rhys Lightning 63 on August 25, 2016, 07:51:28 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hope-solo-suspended-for-six-months-1472098590?mod=e2tw (http://www.wsj.com/articles/hope-solo-suspended-for-six-months-1472098590?mod=e2tw)

Basically suspended for using the 'they parked the bus' line.

Tad harsh to me, if Jose was suspended 6 months every time he used it, he'd have been out of work for about 10 years
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: dhowells21 on August 25, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
The glove thing she did in that penalty shootout was such poor form that I do have trouble feeling sympathy for her..
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Rhys Lightning 63 on August 25, 2016, 08:11:29 AM
Quote from: dhowells21 on August 25, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
The glove thing she did in that penalty shootout was such poor form that I do have trouble feeling sympathy for her..

If it had worked, she'd be seen as great at 'mind games'. The act was no different to the spaghetti legs, or when Barthez kicked his studs against the goalpost against us causing (I think) Steve Marlet to miss
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: dhowells21 on August 25, 2016, 08:13:53 AM
True. And whilst they're in the same bracket, and for example the Suarez handball is also 'using the rules to your advantage', it is poor form and isn't sportsmanlike (sportswomanlike?)
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: westcliff white on August 25, 2016, 08:16:44 AM
i have very little sympathy given her antics
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Lighthouse on August 25, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
She insulted the other team and called them cowards and it is the Olympics which means you pretend you are not taking drugs, win, get money, then get caught and everybody moans. So while I dislike her antics I can also see the hypocrisy behind the decision. A good telling off and warning would have sufficed. Her reputation precedes her.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: aaronmcguigan on August 25, 2016, 09:46:20 AM
Parked the bus? Did you read the story? She called them a bunch of cowards, she didn't reference their tactics.
She's got history, she's a troublemaker and it's nothing to do with mind games. Young people need great role models, especially young women, but it needs to involve respecting your opponent
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Rhys Lightning 63 on August 25, 2016, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: Newry FFC on August 25, 2016, 09:46:20 AM
Parked the bus? Did you read the story? She called them a bunch of cowards, she didn't reference their tactics.
She's got history, she's a troublemaker and it's nothing to do with mind games. Young people need great role models, especially young women, but it needs to involve respecting your opponent

"Solo called the Swedes ?a bunch of cowards? for focusing on defense rather than attacking the three-time defending champion U.S. team."

That's the definition of parking the bus
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Fulham Tup North on August 25, 2016, 10:10:26 AM
Whatever happened to being 'Gracious in Defeat'? Bad sportsmanship is up there with diving and waving imaginary yellow cards.
If you have nothing nice to say then just shut-up! 
Always nice when people who think they are 'entitled' to win things, get their comeuppance.
Doubt she will learn though, judging by the little I know of her.
She's not a relation of Craig Kline is she??  ;)
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: snarks on August 25, 2016, 10:37:19 AM
She clearly has issues, but the suspension is wrong
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Twig on August 25, 2016, 10:37:29 AM
Hope came up the hard way and has done well for herself against adversity so I have some admiration for her.  However part and parcel of that legacy is a bit of an attitude problem.  She is always going to be a PR man's nightmare. She needed to be punished but the severity was perhaps a tad harsh imo.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Holders on August 25, 2016, 10:54:33 AM
It wasn't the only attitude problem at the Olympics but they were in the huge minority. l take heart from the overwhelming number of good sportspeople, particularly the NZ 5000 mtr girl.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: The Equalizer on August 25, 2016, 11:13:18 AM
She's a petulant little girl who has no place in the Olympics.

To be honest, I don't believe that football has a place in the Olympics either. Watch the blood, sweat and tears of the other Olympians, see cyclists cross the line with a broken collar bone, and then watch some overpaid primadonna rolling about on the floor like he's been shot, and you realise that these footballers are sportsmen who don't deserve to share the same stage as the others.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Holders on August 25, 2016, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 25, 2016, 11:13:18 AM
She's a petulant little girl who has no place in the Olympics.

To be honest, I don't believe that football has a place in the Olympics either. Watch the blood, sweat and tears of the other Olympians, see cyclists cross the line with a broken collar bone, and then watch some overpaid primadonna rolling about on the floor like he's been shot, and you realise that these footballers are sportsmen who don't deserve to share the same stage as the others.

I think it's pretty dubious about any of the highly-paid professional sports being in the Olympics (football, tennis, golf). In these days of retainers and sponsorship for athletes, though, I appreciate it's hard to know where to draw the line but that's my gut feel.

Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: The Rock on August 25, 2016, 12:10:19 PM
That is just wrong. So what, they played like cowards, no one cares. Just imagine if she bit someone like Suarez? Life in prison?
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: epsomraver on August 25, 2016, 12:42:43 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 25, 2016, 11:13:18 AM
She's a petulant little girl who has no place in the Olympics.

To be honest, I don't believe that football has a place in the Olympics either. Watch the blood, sweat and tears of the other Olympians, see cyclists cross the line with a broken collar bone, and then watch some overpaid primadonna rolling about on the floor like he's been shot, and you realise that these footballers are sportsmen who don't deserve to share the same stage as the others.
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Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Forever Fulham on August 25, 2016, 01:13:54 PM
I trashed her in a previous post when I was upset with her behaviour.  But a case can be made that she is simply the best female goalkeeper in the world.  You rarely see players get to that level without some kind of baggage.  Issues.  Personality quirks.  Defects.  Tunnel vision.  Gaps in her development as a well rounded human being.  So, while we focus on her boorish antics, we momentarily forget the skills set, the winning mentality, and that which separates the very best from the rest.  A certain Uruguayan shouldn't bite defenders in the heat of the moment.  Why can't he just be the great player he is?  A certain Serbian Swedish player is world class but craves attention and approval.  And so on.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on August 25, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
She was suspended for an accumulation of poor choices. It wasn't just the Olympic comments - which were classless. She's been walking on thin ice for some time now but, her qualities in goal have kept her in the team. When it gets right down to it, teams, managers, fans, owners, etc want results. And, by and large, with her, that's what the USWNT gets.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: BarryP on August 25, 2016, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 25, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
She was suspended for an accumulation of poor choices. It wasn't just the Olympic comments - which were classless. She's been walking on thin ice for some time now but, her qualities in goal have kept her in the team. When it gets right down to it, teams, managers, fans, owners, etc want results. And, by and large, with her, that's what the USWNT gets.

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Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Holders on August 25, 2016, 02:01:30 PM
She probably doesn't think it out of the ordinary in a football context (men certainly) but at the Olympics her behaviour and comments stood out. I have to say though that I've always found women's football to be pretty sporting and free from gamesmanship up to now.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on August 25, 2016, 02:09:37 PM
I will say that she couldn't have picked a worse time to pull this crap. The US women's team have been one of the larger voices in sport for equal compensation for women and men which would make them one of the larger voices overall. And Hope has been one of the more outspoken, and rightly so, advocates within the team.

With her unsportsman(woman)like actions, she's essentially diverted the conversation and removed herself as one of the movement's outspoken leaders, essentially doing US Soccer a favor.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Holders on August 25, 2016, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on August 25, 2016, 02:09:37 PM
I will say that she couldn't have picked a worse time to pull this crap. The US women's team have been one of the larger voices in sport for equal compensation for women and men which would make them one of the larger voices overall. And Hope has been one of the more outspoken, and rightly so, advocates within the team.

With her unsportsman(woman)like actions, she's essentially diverted the conversation and removed herself as one of the movement's outspoken leaders, essentially doing US Soccer a favor.

It's a more professional game over there so it's possibly a different contextual environment to the games I've seen which have been entertaining and apparently sportswomanlike. 
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: FulhamDC on August 25, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
Solo's suspension has nothing to do with her comments, that's just a smokescreen.  US soccer has also cancelled her contract, which is not just harsh, it's punitive.  For a couple of months now the women on the national team have wanted to renegotiate their contract with US Soccer to get better pay, and Hope Solo has been the most vocal player in this effort.  That's why they suspended her and cancelled her contract.

Of course, this is just for the national team, which doesn't have anything but friendlies over the next 6 months.  The women's league here in the states is back in action and they need to sell tickets, and Solo will be in goal for her Seattle team next week.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Holders on August 25, 2016, 02:15:21 PM
So a 6-month suspension is meaningless!
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: King_Crud on August 25, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
But did she shoot Greedo first?
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: f5shooter on August 25, 2016, 03:02:04 PM
The Sweden game wouldn't have mattered if she hadn't been nut-megged from 20 meters against Colombia....
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Rhys Lightning 63 on August 25, 2016, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on August 25, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
But did she shoot Greedo first?

That's a very niche reference there, but a very funny one too. So kudos to you sir
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: The Equalizer on August 25, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on August 25, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
But did she shoot Greedo first?

Does she work for Mr Waverley?
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: ToodlesMcToot on August 25, 2016, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on August 25, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
But did she shoot Greedo first?

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Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Lighthouse on August 25, 2016, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 25, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on August 25, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
But did she shoot Greedo first?

Does she work for Mr Waverley?

April Dancer was a fine finisher.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: The Equalizer on August 25, 2016, 03:57:11 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 25, 2016, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 25, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: King_Crud on August 25, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
But did she shoot Greedo first?

Does she work for Mr Waverley?

April Dancer was a fine finisher.

"She's one lady who knows how to take care of herself..."
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: Barrett487 on August 26, 2016, 12:12:05 AM
If there had been a six month ban for diving, would players dive?

Just saying....
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: YankeeJim on August 26, 2016, 12:57:19 AM
Hope Solo is a spoiled egomaniac who happens to be the very best at what she does. The big issue with her is that she faces trial for domestic abuse. She beat up her sister and her 17 year old nephew last year and due process has lagged, I suspect because the Olympics were coming up. That, and as someone said, the women making noise about money. The most watched football match in US history was the women's 1999 WC final with China. They put 90,000+ in the Rose Bowl and the TV audience was unreal. Not so much since then.  The woman's league in the US doesn't even get press coverage, much less any appreciable attendance. 
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo
Post by: love4ffc on August 30, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Just to update this topic.....The Washington Times is reporting that not only has Hope Solo received a six month ban but now has had her contract terminated with the US Women's National Team. 

WARNING STRONG LANGUAGE CONTAINED IN VIDEO
Read story here: 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/30/hope-solos-contract-with-us-soccer-terminated-17-f/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/30/hope-solos-contract-with-us-soccer-terminated-17-f/)

Hope Solo's contract with U.S. soccer terminated: '17 f–ing years and it's over'



By Ken Shepherd - The Washington Times - Tuesday, August 30, 2016

A documentary film team got some unexpected, emotionally raw footage of an angry Hope Solo moments after she learned she was suspended from the U.S. Women's National Team (USWNT).

"Seventeen f–ing years and it's over!" an angry Ms. Solo is shown yelling as her husband, Jerramy Stevens, a former NFL tight end, tries to console her. The moment was captured by a videographer for a documentary to be titled, "Keeping Score," which follows the lives of three USWNT players, according to the Daily Mail.

U.S. Soccer announced Ms. Solo's half-year suspension on Aug. 24, a punishment levied for the 35-year-old goalkeeper's denouncing the Swedish national soccer team as "cowards."

"Beyond the athletic arena, and beyond the results, the Olympics celebrate and represent the ideals of fair play and respect. We expect all of our representatives to honor those principles, with no exceptions," U.S. Soccer president Sunil Gulati said in a statement at the time.

Sweden had pulled off a shocking upset of the favored U.S. women in a penalty kickoff shootout in the Aug. 12 quarterfinal game. As a result the USWNT was eliminated from medal contention, a stunning blow to a team that has won gold in every Olympics since 1996, except for the 2000 Syndey games, in which it won silver.

For her part, Ms. Solo remains unapologetic about her remarks.  "I could not be the player I am without being the person I am, even when I haven't made the best choices or said the right things," Ms. Solo recently told Sports Illustrated, the Daily Mail reported.

Hope Solo has taken an indefinite personal leave from the Portland Thorns. 

Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: NogoodBoyo on August 31, 2016, 03:25:54 AM
Can't stand being a loser, eh?  So how does it feel, Ms Solo?
Nogood "despicable character reaping what she sowed, isit" Boyo
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: Holders on August 31, 2016, 04:01:01 AM
"penalty kickoff shootout"!
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: MikeW on August 31, 2016, 06:46:23 AM
On the very rare occasions I have watched women's football on TV in the UK it always seems to be played out to empty stands.  The only reason the BBC give it so much coverage is because they've got sod all else and are cringingly PC.
But each to their own.

As for Hope Solo, she seems one tough cookie who as our American friends often say, operates on the wrong side of the tracks.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: Beamer on August 31, 2016, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 31, 2016, 09:29:46 AM
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on August 31, 2016, 03:25:54 AM
Can't stand being a loser, eh?  So how does it feel, Ms Solo?
Nogood "despicable character reaping what she sowed, isit" Boyo

Solo Hope has two Hopes, Bob Hope and No Hope.
and Bob just left town.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: snarks on August 31, 2016, 11:21:56 AM
I think for what she said its all wrong, however she clearly has lots of issues and that was the excuse they needed.

Thankfully Fulham don't need another keeper.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: Burt on August 31, 2016, 12:04:54 PM
She needs a night out with Ryan Lochte to compare notes  :dft011:
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: HatterDon on September 01, 2016, 01:34:36 AM
Quote from: Rhys Lightning 63 on August 25, 2016, 07:51:28 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hope-solo-suspended-for-six-months-1472098590?mod=e2tw (http://www.wsj.com/articles/hope-solo-suspended-for-six-months-1472098590?mod=e2tw)

Basically suspended for using the 'they parked the bus' line.

Tad harsh to me, if Jose was suspended 6 months every time he used it, he'd have been out of work for about 10 years

Yep. If it had been an American man, nothing would have been done. Of course, the American men didn't qualify.

Hope Solo is the most visible "mean girl" in professional sports in this country. US Soccer needed to slap her down to make the rest of the women "act right."

Oh, she still scares the poo of of me.
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: Berserker on September 01, 2016, 07:46:27 AM
I didn't see the match. Just out of interest why did she think Sweden was a bunch of cowards in that game. What did they do to cause that remark, and don't say just win as there would have been more than that to cause such an outburst. 

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Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: Logicalman on September 01, 2016, 01:52:49 PM
Quote from: Berserker on September 01, 2016, 07:46:27 AM
I didn't see the match. Just out of interest why did she think Sweden was a bunch of cowards in that game. What did they do to cause that remark, and don't say just win as there would have been more than that to cause such an outburst. 

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Simple terms, they kinda parked the bus a bit!
Title: Re: NFR - Hope Solo - Story Updated August 30th
Post by: NogoodBoyo on September 01, 2016, 02:30:38 PM
Last season we tried to park the bus after scoring the first goal - and failed nearly every time.  It takes skill and outstanding coaching coupled with discipline.  Hodgson was brilliant at it.  Not many teams can "park the bus" and win.  You still have to score goals - or deal with the stress of penalties in knock-out competitions.
In conclusion, there's a huge amount of difference between being "cowards" and bus-parkers.
But all she had to do was to keep her mouth shut. 
Nogood "no sympathy here even if the penalty was harsh, see" Boyo