I just read he has not scored a club goal in 14 games. Our man Smith does a lot better than that doesnt he???
Maybe because Khan's mindless devotion to stats is as real as the Loch Ness Monster.
He pinky swore that he's been saving all his goals for Fulham.
His goal scoring rate per game for Derby is almost exactly the same as Ross's for Fulham - .43 goals per game.
Perhaps the stats man recommended him.
Is there any confirmation that he is the stats man's choice?
Only McCormack has scored more championship goals in the last three seasons than Martin.
Sounds pretty decent stats to me
His long term stats seem good.
How about this: Our transfer business before "Stat-gate" was abysmal. This season, under whatever the new system is, it looks like we've done some great business (time will tell of course). Perhaps, just perhaps, we have a sensible system where stats and old-fashioned scouting are both considered in determining who to buy.
It seems that as soon as the word "stats" is used, some people start jumping up and down and stating the bleeding obvious, that stats are not the be-all and end-all. No they're not, but it looks like we're using them wisely.
Mr Kline has confirmed that statistically Chris Martin is a singer
Quote from: Snibbo on September 05, 2016, 07:50:07 AM
Perhaps, just perhaps, we have a sensible system
Please can you elaborate, I don't understand.
Quote from: dhowells21 on September 05, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
Quote from: Snibbo on September 05, 2016, 07:50:07 AM
Perhaps, just perhaps, we have a sensible system
Please can you elaborate, I don't understand.
Then you are ignoring the evidence before your eyes
Quote from: ..FOF.. on September 05, 2016, 05:54:51 AM
Is there any confirmation that he is the stats man's choice?
The main thing is that the signings have passed the two box process. So does not matter if the coach or the stats man picked him to go forward, the stats and scouting give him the white flag to go forward for a transfer.
We actually already play very much to Chris Martins strengths. He is good at playing other players in with his back to goal. Something Woodrow isn't good at. Smith is a danger in the area and has become better outside it. Martin has the annoying habit of knowing where the danger area is and going to it causing problems. He is going through a period of lack of goals and feeling out of form which is why Derby were willing to loan/sell him.
Martin may end up a very popular and important part of the team.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 05, 2016, 09:38:19 AM
Fulham are a better team than Scotland, Chris Martin will be playing with better players at Fulham FC, so let's judge him on his performances for Fulham FC.
not so sure on that, snodgrass Ritchie and Burke, the three players that play around martin would easily be on par with our lot, if not better than what we have
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 05, 2016, 09:44:22 AM
We actually already play very much to Chris Martins strengths. He is good at playing other players in with his back to goal. Something Woodrow isn't good at. Smith is a danger in the area and has become better outside it. Martin has the annoying habit of knowing where the danger area is and going to it causing problems. He is going through a period of lack of goals and feeling out of form which is why Derby were willing to loan/sell him.
Martin may end up a very popular and important part of the team.
I think you sum up a striker's values very well. We often judge strikers on goal scoring record alone when it is the ability to open up space for others that is priceless. Martin is a good mover, and, once established, may be both scorer and provider outstripping McCormack's hefty contribution to Fulham. And as long as our defences hold firm we will still show the healthy balance needed to win games.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 05, 2016, 12:05:57 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 05, 2016, 09:44:22 AM
We actually already play very much to Chris Martins strengths. He is good at playing other players in with his back to goal. Something Woodrow isn't good at. Smith is a danger in the area and has become better outside it. Martin has the annoying habit of knowing where the danger area is and going to it causing problems. He is going through a period of lack of goals and feeling out of form which is why Derby were willing to loan/sell him.
Martin may end up a very popular and important part of the team.
I think you sum up a striker's values very well. We often judge strikers on goal scoring record alone when it is the ability to open up space for others that is priceless. Martin is a good mover, and, once established, may be both scorer and provider outstripping McCormack's hefty contribution to Fulham. And as long as our defences hold firm we will still show the healthy balance needed to win games.
i hope you are right on that, because he didnt look like a good mover last night. one might even say i doubt he broke into a sweat. reckon he will be in for a little shock when slavisa gets hold of him. should imagine he will be told to take his work rate to unprecedented levels. which if he buys into it, will not only benefit us, but him aswell
Wooly, as a Scot I have to agree with Ben. Anyway, the post was tongue in cheek intended. Right now, we are top of thr group, above England. :008:
"Stats don't count for anything" - Stuart Gray on the offal.
He said the move to Fulham had been in the pipeline a while.. 5 games into the season.. so would've at least been going on during the summer. I believe Fulham have some pretty good players in the wide positions too so imagine he should get goals. He scored one and got a penalty for scotland and apparently believes he should've got another one, so..
Quote from: Statto on September 05, 2016, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Snibbo on September 05, 2016, 07:50:07 AM
Perhaps, just perhaps, we have a sensible system where stats and old-fashioned scouting are both considered in determining who to buy.
Giving a key role in that system to some lad the owner's son met at law school is pretty much fatal to any suggestion the system is "sensible"
Why?
Give the bloke a chance - he hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet!
Maybe the new Fulham under Slavisa, with their confidence and fast, attacking team play, with speedy wingers and creativity, will play to Martin's strengths.
Might be just to thing he needs to get his goal scoring back on track.
Woolly, I am under no illusions...Scotland takes Fulhamish to another level. Gibraltar scored their only international goal against....guess who? I think the guy who scored was a school teacher. fp.gif
Quote from: jarv on September 05, 2016, 03:51:37 PM
Woolly, I am under no illusions...Scotland takes Fulhamish to another level. Gibraltar scored their only international goal against....guess who? I think the guy who scored was a school teacher. fp.gif
and the Gibraltar team beat celtic too :005:
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on September 05, 2016, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Statto on September 05, 2016, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Snibbo on September 05, 2016, 07:50:07 AM
Perhaps, just perhaps, we have a sensible system where stats and old-fashioned scouting are both considered in determining who to buy.
Giving a key role in that system to some lad the owner's son met at law school is pretty much fatal to any suggestion the system is "sensible"
Why?
Pretty much what I figured.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on September 05, 2016, 09:11:20 AM
Mr Kline has confirmed that statistically Chris Martin is a singer
That was Mary Martin but perhaps gender is not a factor in his programmes.
Quote from: Holders on September 05, 2016, 01:07:25 PM
"Stats don't count for anything" - Stuart Gray on the offal.
Jamie Vardy failed to score in
23 consecutive league games in which he played the season before last.
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 05, 2016, 09:44:22 AM
We actually already play very much to Chris Martins strengths. He is good at playing other players in with his back to goal. Something Woodrow isn't good at. Smith is a danger in the area and has become better outside it. Martin has the annoying habit of knowing where the danger area is and going to it causing problems. He is going through a period of lack of goals and feeling out of form which is why Derby were willing to loan/sell him.
Martin may end up a very popular and important part of the team.
He'll be great. Stats boy knew we could have had him 1 Jul. Stats boy would have had David Healy an hour later if we couldn't sign him. Think on.
Quote from: Snibbo on September 05, 2016, 07:50:07 AM
How about this: Our transfer business before "Stat-gate" was abysmal. This season, under whatever the new system is, it looks like we've done some great business (time will tell of course). Perhaps, just perhaps, we have a sensible system where stats and old-fashioned scouting are both considered in determining who to buy.
It seems that as soon as the word "stats" is used, some people start jumping up and down and stating the bleeding obvious, that stats are not the be-all and end-all. No they're not, but it looks like we're using them wisely.
I'm sure Slavisa had some sort of influence. At the very least he's a much more prestigious manager than Symons and Magath. (Whatever prestige Magath had before he came to Fulham was long gone by the time he left)
