our formation and player selction has failed us again. although it could be argued that we set up for a draw and got what we wanted. inverted wingers doesnt work. playing two slow dm's is too negative, and playing slow big lumps as a lone striker has once again proved to be fruitless. slavisa has got to shake it up for the next game or we will start slipping down the table
Woodrow for Martin has to be a certainty, jozabed should also keep his place, was our best player today, shocking decision to sub him.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 17, 2016, 04:59:58 PM
our formation and player selction has failed us again. although it could be argued that we set up for a draw and got what we wanted. inverted wingers doesnt work. playing two slow dm's is too negative, and playing slow big lumps as a lone striker has once again proved to be fruitless. slavisa has got to shake it up for the next game or we will start slipping down the table
We are slipping down table....Slowly.
Quote from: Chutney on September 17, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Woodrow for Martin has to be a certainty, jozabed should also keep his place, was our best player today, shocking decision to sub him.
martin needs to drop down to the 23s to see if there is a player still their worth saving.
def think need someone with more energy with either Parker/McDonald. Someone to drive forward with the ball. Martin CF is fine so long as the three behind him have energy and pace and create chances but they aren't.
Perhaps we should explore a 4-3-3?
Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2016, 05:08:43 PM
I think we're starting to realise the new players, whilst generally good signings, aren't the world beaters some (eg the OP) thought they were.
Most importantly for me is that whilst every man and his dog could see we needed a quality striker after selling two of them, we've ended up with someone who doesn't look any better than smith or woodrow. And that is a very low benchmark!
i've argued elsewhere we should give martin more time and learn to play to his strengths, but it really is looking like we f*d up there
y
Its easy to blame Martin when the midfield are dilly dallying
most of the time.
Play a bit more direct and Martin will start scoring im confident
of that, in fact I know he will..
Best thing about Martin is that he's only on loan and we can give him back eventually.
Quote from: Chutney on September 17, 2016, 05:22:48 PM
Best thing about Martin is that he's only on loan and we can give him back eventually.
Didnt you and a few others want Vydra in instead.
Remind me how many he has got for Derby?
Oh boy, oh boy, we are really finding out how bad we are going to be for NOT replacing Dembele and McCormack. Criminal really.
Martin was literally plan D/E or F when crunch came to the crunch.
oh dear...we still have black october to come.
I will settle for 10th now. The good news, 8 points clear of bottom 3.
An omen (i hope not) :Get Coat gif: last time we had a centre half sent off, Hangeland, the team went into free fall which lasted 3 years.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 17, 2016, 05:45:56 PM
You can always rely on Fulham to end a teams four game losing run. Dan Burn played, and Wigan kept a clean sheet.
Stearman got dropped by Wolverhampton and they win 2-0
Quote from: Chutney on September 17, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Woodrow for Martin has to be a certainty, jozabed should also keep his place, was our best player today, shocking decision to sub him.
Were you there! He was totally ineffective one of the worst games I have ever seen Fulham play and that is saying something,just got back , Wigan were rubbish but at least they had shots on goal!
Derby don't get rid of players who are surplus to requirements for nothing - Martin looked way of the pace against Burton and not very fit, except for a couple of flicks - it's unfair to moan about Woodrow - he hasn't had a proper chance yet
Dont know where all this Woodrow adulation comes from
to be honest..
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
If he's good enough to play for Scotland... :005:
Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
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Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
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Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
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Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
A striker who has scored 15,21 and 25 in his last 3 seasons in this league beats a giant who is useless when the ball is on the floor and a striker with no real technical ability or standout attributes but is rated because he 'runs around a lot'
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Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
A striker who has scored 15,21 and 25 in his last 3 seasons in this league beats a giant who is useless when the ball is on the floor and a striker with no real technical ability or standout attributes but is rated because he 'runs around a lot'
There have been quite a few on here championing that giant for the last two years because of what he also did at another team. Fact is Martin doesn't look anywhere near good enough to start at the moment.
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Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
A striker who has scored 15,21 and 25 in his last 3 seasons in this league beats a giant who is useless when the ball is on the floor and a striker with no real technical ability or standout attributes but is rated because he 'runs around a lot'
There have been quite a few on here championing that giant for the last two years because of what he also did at another team. Fact is Martin doesn't look anywhere near good enough to start at the moment.
Fair enough, I agree, but he will start. because our other options dont look great either. So we should support him.
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Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
A striker who has scored 15,21 and 25 in his last 3 seasons in this league beats a giant who is useless when the ball is on the floor and a striker with no real technical ability or standout attributes but is rated because he 'runs around a lot'
There have been quite a few on here championing that giant for the last two years because of what he also did at another team. Fact is Martin doesn't look anywhere near good enough to start at the moment.
Fair enough, I agree, but he will start. because our other options dont look great either. So we should support him.
Problem with that, if he keeps starting and playing as he is, then he could well find himself at odds with the fans by Xmas. At least jol had the nous to remove ruiz out of the firing line when ruiz turned up under baked. Slavisa has some big decisions coming up, and more of the same appears to be getting progressively worse in terms of our effectiveness going forwards, and not the gradual improvements you would expect from a team trying to gel.
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Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
A striker who has scored 15,21 and 25 in his last 3 seasons in this league beats a giant who is useless when the ball is on the floor and a striker with no real technical ability or standout attributes but is rated because he 'runs around a lot'
There have been quite a few on here championing that giant for the last two years because of what he also did at another team. Fact is Martin doesn't look anywhere near good enough to start at the moment.
Fair enough, I agree, but he will start. because our other options dont look great either. So we should support him.
Problem with that, if he keeps starting and playing as he is, then he could well find himself at odds with the fans by Xmas. At least jol had the nous to remove ruiz out of the firing line when ruiz turned up under baked. Slavisa has some big decisions coming up, and more of the same appears to be getting progressively worse in terms of our effectiveness going forwards, and not the gradual improvements you would expect from a team trying to gel.
"progressively worse"?
it's a week since the international break ended
a week
steady on
? You don't agree that we have looked a lot worse going forward in our last 4 games than we did in our first 4? If you round down then we are one game off of twenty percent of the season gone.
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Quote from: @jolslover on September 17, 2016, 09:50:40 PM
Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
A striker who has scored 15,21 and 25 in his last 3 seasons in this league beats a giant who is useless when the ball is on the floor and a striker with no real technical ability or standout attributes but is rated because he 'runs around a lot'
There have been quite a few on here championing that giant for the last two years because of what he also did at another team. Fact is Martin doesn't look anywhere near good enough to start at the moment.
Fair enough, I agree, but he will start. because our other options dont look great either. So we should support him.
Problem with that, if he keeps starting and playing as he is, then he could well find himself at odds with the fans by Xmas. At least jol had the nous to remove ruiz out of the firing line when ruiz turned up under baked. Slavisa has some big decisions coming up, and more of the same appears to be getting progressively worse in terms of our effectiveness going forwards, and not the gradual improvements you would expect from a team trying to gel.
"progressively worse"?
it's a week since the international break ended
a week
steady on
? You don't agree that we have looked a lot worse going forward in our last 4 games than we did in our first 4? If you round down then we are one game off of twenty percent of the season gone.
newcastle i specifically remember someone saying "we're not going to score tonight" just before smith scored
we got a lot of luck, played above ourselves and newcastle bottled it
think that game has got a lot of people carried away
didn't see leeds or preston but we looked crap against cardiff
so that's the first 4 games... nothing special for me
and your assement of the latter four
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Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
A striker who has scored 15,21 and 25 in his last 3 seasons in this league beats a giant who is useless when the ball is on the floor and a striker with no real technical ability or standout attributes but is rated because he 'runs around a lot'
There have been quite a few on here championing that giant for the last two years because of what he also did at another team. Fact is Martin doesn't look anywhere near good enough to start at the moment.
Fair enough, I agree, but he will start. because our other options dont look great either. So we should support him.
Problem with that, if he keeps starting and playing as he is, then he could well find himself at odds with the fans by Xmas. At least jol had the nous to remove ruiz out of the firing line when ruiz turned up under baked. Slavisa has some big decisions coming up, and more of the same appears to be getting progressively worse in terms of our effectiveness going forwards, and not the gradual improvements you would expect from a team trying to gel.
"progressively worse"?
it's a week since the international break ended
a week
steady on
? You don't agree that we have looked a lot worse going forward in our last 4 games than we did in our first 4? If you round down then we are one game off of twenty percent of the season gone.
newcastle i specifically remember someone saying "we're not going to score tonight" just before smith scored
we got a lot of luck, played above ourselves and newcastle bottled it
think that game has got a lot of people carried away
didn't see leeds or preston but we looked crap against cardiff
so that's the first 4 games... nothing special for me
and your assement of the latter four
Not much difference, still look solid at the back and control large parts of the game, but impotent up front
so even if you don't think we have got worse, you agree that we at least haven't improved. Ergo something has got to change. Me I'm ruthless, I'd change anyone who isn't constantly coming up with the goods.the old saying goes, you are only as good as your last game, and on that basis a few would be lucky to make my next bench.
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Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
Why? Isn't the whole point of having a big squad, so that when you have an unfit or out of form player, you can take them out of the first 11. I'm suggesting putting him in the 23s or maybe the cup game to see if things improve. 17 games without a goal now if I'm not mistaken, so something isn't quite right somewhere
Not when your other 2 strikers are Woodrow and Matt Smith.
so a slow striker who covers very little ground, who's only claim to fame in a Fulham shirt is missing a sitter, trumps our other strikers who have actually scored in the last 6 months. Yes I can see your theory, but don't agree with it
A striker who has scored 15,21 and 25 in his last 3 seasons in this league beats a giant who is useless when the ball is on the floor and a striker with no real technical ability or standout attributes but is rated because he 'runs around a lot'
There have been quite a few on here championing that giant for the last two years because of what he also did at another team. Fact is Martin doesn't look anywhere near good enough to start at the moment.
Fair enough, I agree, but he will start. because our other options dont look great either. So we should support him.
Problem with that, if he keeps starting and playing as he is, then he could well find himself at odds with the fans by Xmas. At least jol had the nous to remove ruiz out of the firing line when ruiz turned up under baked. Slavisa has some big decisions coming up, and more of the same appears to be getting progressively worse in terms of our effectiveness going forwards, and not the gradual improvements you would expect from a team trying to gel.
"progressively worse"?
it's a week since the international break ended
a week
steady on
? You don't agree that we have looked a lot worse going forward in our last 4 games than we did in our first 4? If you round down then we are one game off of twenty percent of the season gone.
newcastle i specifically remember someone saying "we're not going to score tonight" just before smith scored
we got a lot of luck, played above ourselves and newcastle bottled it
think that game has got a lot of people carried away
didn't see leeds or preston but we looked crap against cardiff
so that's the first 4 games... nothing special for me
and your assement of the latter four
Not much difference, still look solid at the back and control large parts of the game, but impotent up front
so even if you don't think we have got worse, you agree that we at least haven't improved. Ergo something has got to change. Me I'm ruthless, I'd change anyone who isn't constantly coming up with the goods.the old saying goes, you are only as good as your last game, and on that basis a few would be lucky to make my next bench.
So, Ignoring the cup game up next, and assuming our next game was in the league. What would your team be?
Do you gather all of this knowledge just from listening to GJ?
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Do you gather all of this knowledge just from listening to GJ?
nope, been to a few home games, watch the replays and gauage others reactions. It's extremely easy to gauage the problems from that. For instance the large majority wouldn't play cairney at right mid. A majority would rest Mcdonald or at least break up, our dm partnership. We can all see the problems, just need someone to have the balls to change it up.
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Dont rule Martin out after two bad games.. I am not his biggest fan by any means but bloody hell give the lad a chance
If he's good enough to play for Scotland... :005:
He must be bad.
If you are good enough for Scotland, you are probably good enough for Lithuania as well.
