Just listened to his comments after the Bristol City defeat, and like Martin Jol, he's becoming just as predictable with his excuses.
Slightly critical, as I know a new team needs time to gel, but it's always the same thing from Slav, especially after these last 4 games.
Got to be brave, played the minutes, not clinical enough, blah, blah, blah..
For me, we've become far to predictable, teams have worked us out even before a balls kicked, and we walk straight into it.
I thought Slav was a bit of a tactician, had the ability to outthink, out coach, other teams, but it's him who's getting out coached lately by some young, average, Championship managers.
I know we rung the changes tonight, will be a different 11 on Saturday blah, blah, but for me, Bristol City, with 9 changes, wanted this more and made the more positive changes.
They bring on Abraham's, a game changer, we leave Smith on the bench, persist with pub team player Woodrow, and bring on Kebabo.
I'm struggling to work Skav out at the minute, and don't think he's the tactician most make him out to be.
To me it is down to the fact we don't have a centre forwarded none of the others are doing enough. They can't even hit the target, not sure who will be scoring our goals this season.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on September 21, 2016, 11:10:39 PM
Just listened to his comments after the Bristol City defeat, and like Martin Jol, he's becoming just as predictable with his excuses.
Slightly critical, as I know a new team needs time to gel, but it's always the same thing from Slav, especially after these last 4 games.
Got to be brave, played the minutes, not clinical enough, blah, blah, blah..
For me, we've become far to predictable, teams have worked us out even before a balls kicked, and we walk straight into it.
I thought Slav was a bit of a tactician, had the ability to outthink, out coach, other teams, but it's him who's getting out coached lately by some young, average, Championship managers.
I know we rung the changes tonight, will be a different 11 on Saturday blah, blah, but for me, Bristol City, with 9 changes, wanted this more and made the more positive changes.
They bring on Abraham's, a game changer, we leave Smith on the bench, persist with pub team player Woodrow, and bring on Kebabo.
I'm struggling to work Skav out at the minute, and don't think he's the tactician most make him out to be.
Smith is a pub team player, no talent whatsoever. I actually get sad whenever I see he is about to come on.
Quote from: @jolslover on September 21, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on September 21, 2016, 11:10:39 PM
Just listened to his comments after the Bristol City defeat, and like Martin Jol, he's becoming just as predictable with his excuses.
Slightly critical, as I know a new team needs time to gel, but it's always the same thing from Slav, especially after these last 4 games.
Got to be brave, played the minutes, not clinical enough, blah, blah, blah..
For me, we've become far to predictable, teams have worked us out even before a balls kicked, and we walk straight into it.
I thought Slav was a bit of a tactician, had the ability to outthink, out coach, other teams, but it's him who's getting out coached lately by some young, average, Championship managers.
I know we rung the changes tonight, will be a different 11 on Saturday blah, blah, but for me, Bristol City, with 9 changes, wanted this more and made the more positive changes.
They bring on Abraham's, a game changer, we leave Smith on the bench, persist with pub team player Woodrow, and bring on Kebabo.
I'm struggling to work Skav out at the minute, and don't think he's the tactician most make him out to be.
Smith is a pub team player, no talent whatsoever. I actually get sad whenever I see he is about to come on.
But he's far better than Woodrow, who should in all honesty, be back at somewhere like Southend United. When I hear his name, I just want to kick the person who gave him a 4 year contract. Criminal.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on September 21, 2016, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 21, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: Wearethewhites on September 21, 2016, 11:10:39 PM
Just listened to his comments after the Bristol City defeat, and like Martin Jol, he's becoming just as predictable with his excuses.
Slightly critical, as I know a new team needs time to gel, but it's always the same thing from Slav, especially after these last 4 games.
Got to be brave, played the minutes, not clinical enough, blah, blah, blah..
For me, we've become far to predictable, teams have worked us out even before a balls kicked, and we walk straight into it.
I thought Slav was a bit of a tactician, had the ability to outthink, out coach, other teams, but it's him who's getting out coached lately by some young, average, Championship managers.
I know we rung the changes tonight, will be a different 11 on Saturday blah, blah, but for me, Bristol City, with 9 changes, wanted this more and made the more positive changes.
They bring on Abraham's, a game changer, we leave Smith on the bench, persist with pub team player Woodrow, and bring on Kebabo.
I'm struggling to work Skav out at the minute, and don't think he's the tactician most make him out to be.
Smith is a pub team player, no talent whatsoever. I actually get sad whenever I see he is about to come on.
But he's far better than Woodrow, who should in all honesty, be back at somewhere like Southend United. When I hear his name, I just want to kick the person who gave him a 4 year contract. Criminal.
Hmm, there both quite poor, I prefer Woodrow but just me. To be honest im very surprised we didnt sign another striker. Think it will haunt us in a big way
Quote from: Statto on September 21, 2016, 11:42:24 PM
can't we just agree that all our strikers our basically cr@p
although that does beg the question, why do we have this thread slagging off the manager
I'm not slagging off the manager, so don't even attempt to twist something that clearly isn't. I'm just point out, in my opinion, that he is becoming a little to predictable, with his excuses and team tactics.
The manager made no attempt to change the tactics that even on the first half were not working. The Bristol team had far too much of the ball. Fulham played like the away side and tried to hit them on the break. In the second half, after the penalty, Fulham were second best and the manager was once again unable to change things. So last season the manager was excused because it wasn't his team. This season we have no forwards and the team needs time. Our recent form has dipped, not just the results. The manager has to take some of the blame. He seems a bit clueless what to do about it.
A win on Saturday will change opinion but there cannot be anybody who feels that it is likely.
Quote from: Statto on September 21, 2016, 11:55:31 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 21, 2016, 11:52:51 PM
Fulham played like the away side and tried to hit them on the break.
Standard procedure when you're 1-0 up. Had we a half decent striker it would have worked. We'd have been out of sight by half time.
So you are saying that the tactics would have worked with a half decent striker. So the manager thinks we have suitable strikers to fit his tactics. So either way the manager got it badly wrong. Hope he realises his forwards are not able to live up to his tactics.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - if we come up against an organised team we're in trouble......we appear to be at the stage were we are more concerned about the way our opponents are going to play, rather than playing to our strengths and NOT players individuals out of position..... I'm also wondering if Joka yet knows what our best team and formation is, so the next 6 games are critical for him...
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Quote from: Statto on September 22, 2016, 12:03:38 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 22, 2016, 12:00:36 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 21, 2016, 11:55:31 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 21, 2016, 11:52:51 PM
Fulham played like the away side and tried to hit them on the break.
Standard procedure when you're 1-0 up. Had we a half decent striker it would have worked. We'd have been out of sight by half time.
So you are saying that the tactics would have worked with a half decent striker. So the manager thinks we have suitable strikers to fit his tactics. So either way the manager got it badly wrong. Hope he realises his forwards are not able to live up to his tactics.
What "tactics" do you play if you don't have a half decent striker? the classic 4-6 formation and hope for a bit of luck?
So the manager is totally unable to find the tactics to fit his side as we have awful forwards and so no criticism will ever be able to be levelled at the manager as he is simply an innocent in all the squad rebuilding. Blimey a cushy job where by NOTHING is ever his fault.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on September 21, 2016, 11:10:39 PM
Just listened to his comments after the Bristol City defeat, and like Martin Jol, he's becoming just as predictable with his excuses.
Slightly critical, as I know a new team needs time to gel, but it's always the same thing from Slav, especially after these last 4 games.
Got to be brave, played the minutes, not clinical enough, blah, blah, blah..
For me, we've become far to predictable, teams have worked us out even before a balls kicked, and we walk straight into it.
I thought Slav was a bit of a tactician, had the ability to outthink, out coach, other teams, but it's him who's getting out coached lately by some young, average, Championship managers.
I know we rung the changes tonight, will be a different 11 on Saturday blah, blah, but for me, Bristol City, with 9 changes, wanted this more and made the more positive changes.
They bring on Abraham's, a game changer, we leave Smith on the bench, persist with pub team player Woodrow, and bring on Kebabo.
I'm struggling to work Skav out at the minute, and don't think he's the tactician most make him out to be.
I think you mean the Slav that gets his players from stats boy.
Oh, and the Skav that got Watford promoted.
I missed your similar post last cup tie.
Funny you don't mention Khan, the owner of the 0-2 Jags of American football. We are cut adrift of signing the best players.
We'll see what happens next 4-6 league matches, but I'm afraid he's the new Roy. If he can't do it, no one can.
Never mind Marouane Chamakh is training with us.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 22, 2016, 07:19:28 AM
Never mind Marouane Chamakh is training with us.
Where have you seen this? Is this a joke?
Quote from: @jolslover on September 22, 2016, 07:30:41 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 22, 2016, 07:19:28 AM
Never mind Marouane Chamakh is training with us.
Where have you seen this? Is this a joke?
Somebody I know mentioned it yesterday (Ipswich fan)
He is always winding me up about Fulham.But he seemed really
serious..I did ask last night on Matchday topic if anyone else
had heard anything..
If he is maybe only using club to keep fit.
Appearing on broadcast interviews is not easy. In professional life a lot of preparation and rehearsal will go in to it and the out takes left on the cutting room floor can be wince-inducing. Having a camera pointed full on is a test of nerve. And that goes for people speaking in their first language.
We had a manager who seemed unable to fully engage brain before opening his mouth on camera. Lo and behold he didn't last long.
Having to do these interviews so frequently seems truly daunting. If, twice a week, I had to do a piece to camera about how the endeavour I am a part of had fared, it would be pretty repetitive pretty quick. Wouldn't yours be?
I don't envy him having to do it and don't bother listening to the interviews for games I went to. It's nothing personal.
Quote from: Bill2 on September 21, 2016, 11:15:00 PM
To me it is down to the fact we don't have a centre forwarded none of the others are doing enough. They can't even hit the target, not sure who will be scoring our goals this season.
I think absolutely everyone knew this would be a big issue after selling McCormack & Dembele, apart from the bright sparks in charge of our recruitment.
Hard to be a manager having to speak to the cameras after your team's been beaten.
I always do a double take at this sort of thread. The club has lost 2 games this season, and one of those in the league cup. I can't remember the last season it was only 2 defeats by this date. I can understand why Slav is saying the same thing about the team after games. We're all saying the same thing too. It's a striker we need. Woodrow had an off night, otherwise the team would have been out of sight. Yes his version of events may be the same but so what, the problems are the same too, the team are not converting chances.
There is a perception that we miss a hatful of chances. We certainly had chances but other than the penalty we didn't miss chances. They were created and we were playing one striker so one would have hoped the support in and around the area would have been better. This idea that we would be continuing our good early form if it wasn't for those darn strikers is only part of the story.
We surrendered the ball too easily and have done so recently. Our corners and free kicks have been poor. Yes a 20 goal a season striker would be great. But I am not sure we didn't try for a striker or two and ended up with one out of form one and a bit of a one.
The manager must deal with what he has. We have improved the squad since our early good form. So why are we now struggling both in form and ability? The buck stops with the boss. Joka has appeared to struggle as much as his team. Only two defeats but some pretty ropey recent performances that have not ALL been down to the strikers. Before the deadline day we were doing ok so why the sudden change? Up to Joka to sort it out. Interesting what he can prepare for Saturday.
We started with a good result against the favourites, and the ball was rolling for us, and we were looking a very accomplished outfit, despite having many new players. Optimism was created amongst the long-suffering fans, and also expectation.
We are still doing better than previous seasons, but a few not so brilliant performances and indifferent results has led to fans again feeling anxious again, feeling as if their hopes were false, and it's the same old Fulham.
Their hopes aren't necessarily dashed, though, and there is a long way to go, and we've only lost one league game. I think teams maybe know how to play us to some extent, but also some results which might have gone our way with a bit of luck, haven't.
But we certainly seem to have decent squad compared to the last couple of seasons, even if lacking firepower up front. But we do have a new striker who has had little time to settle in, and there are other players new to the team.
It's obviously difficult for a manager to have to speak in public after losses, and they are bound to say the same things - especially if, like Slava, English isn't their first language. But after a good win no-one minds what the manager says - his words all sound golden to our ears, and he is a tactical genius. After a defeat, and it's - 'he just keeps saying the same old things - does he know what to do?'
As Woolly says above - a couple of wins and we're back up there, and this still seems very possible with this squad and manager.
Agree with all of that Ray ,well said!
