Scoring 2 goals tonight against Man City!!! As a few have said you have moved to a club in a league no better than the Championship, but over the next couple of years you will realise the potential that most of us knew you have! Wish you had stayed with us 1 more year or even to the January window, forget the loyalty comments, you have to do what you have to do!! COME BACK (LOL)!
Yes, well done indeed. Very good player.
I care much more for Roberts, than i ever will for Dembele, because he left in the full knowledge that the club that had brought him on and shown faith, giving him his chance to shine, was going to get diddly-squat from him. I feel quite bitter about the lad tbh.
Top player. Always rated him, Some idiots on here said Woodrow was better than him.
Quote from: Statto on September 28, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on September 28, 2016, 11:01:13 PM
I care much more for Roberts, than i ever will for Dembele, because he left in the full knowledge that the club that had brought him on and shown faith, giving him his chance to shine, was going to get diddly-squat from him. I feel quite bitter about the lad tbh.
We could have sold him for £4m in January but didn't because we'd probably have got relegated without him. So he didn't earn us any money but he did save us from relegation. My regret is with the club, because I find it hard to believe he'd have left if we'd offered him £20k/week and a reasonable minimum fee release clause..
+1 again jolslover , those comparisons are already beginning to look quite ridiculous now
My sentiments as well.
Didn't we nick Roberts from Wimbledon?
Quote from: @jolslover on September 28, 2016, 11:09:07 PM
Top player. Always rated him, Some idiots on here said Woodrow was better than him.
Just because someone may have a different opinion to you does not make them "idiots"
No need for rudeness
I still struggle to see how anyone could argue Woodrow is better than Dembele and calling for him to play in front of him last season. Different skill set but the best one for a striker he scores goals.
Don't enjoy people slating youngsters on here, firstly people slating Dembele for leaving (especially after his goals helped us retain our place in the division) and secondly people calling other posters idiots for rating Woodrow, we forget he's still young and learning because he's been with us for a while.
Dembele left as he got a better deal elsewhere, thousands of players do this every year, the fact we got diddly-squat for him was down to the club. Blaming Dembele is very harsh.
To even compare them is ridiculous.
That match last night was a proper football game,and the atmosphere just incredible.
Can't blame him for leaving, that's football. Looks like a good move for him. I hope he makes it.
Quote from: @jolslover on September 28, 2016, 11:09:07 PM
Top player. Always rated him, Some idiots on here said Woodrow was better than him.
Valid comment, but can we have less of the name-calling please as it detracts from what you are trying to say, people are entitled to hold a different opinion, and this may provoke a response about the abuse rather than the intended content of the post.
Cheers
Burt
All I know is that had we managed to keep Dembele we would still be in the top 6...
Losing him, and McCormack, without effectively replacing them, may cost us dear this season.
Quote from: Burt on September 29, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
All I know is that had we managed to keep Dembele we would still be in the top 6...
Losing him, and McCormack, without effectively replacing them, may cost us dear this season.
Agreed. That's the one big failing in the transfer window. We went for the budget option and it's not paid off so far.
If we are in with a shout come January we will need to sign someone to help us push on
Quote from: The Moose on September 29, 2016, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: Burt on September 29, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
All I know is that had we managed to keep Dembele we would still be in the top 6...
Losing him, and McCormack, without effectively replacing them, may cost us dear this season.
Agreed. That's the one big failing in the transfer window. We went for the budget option and it's not paid off so far.
I can agree with this also, we categorically failed in this respect. While we strengthened in other areas we have been left without a prolific goal scorer, which we have always had as our saving grace. That said, we must have cash to spend in January, so could well sign a top striker for the second half of the season. Until then we will have to rely on goals from midfield and the occasional contribution from the current crop of strikers.
Yes it is a pity that we did not get more cash for Demebele
That was a choice as we could have had that cash in Jan
Actually though I am impressed by how Dembele or his advisors are managing his career
PSG to Fulham - why step down in size of club ? . Great Academy
Stays as Fulham all last season despite interest from premier league clubs pre season onwards . Yes partly the club blocking but we all know if a player really wants to leave he does . - why stay ? Regular 1st team football .
Fulham to Celtic ? Why to the Scottish League and not to Spurs etc . Possibly even less money . Again a chance to play regularly .When he does leave he will expect to go to whichever club as a starter .
Also to note at each level and each step up he scores . A rare and precious talent .
We should be proud of our part in developing him and thank him for the season and goals he did give us
Quote from: Riverside on September 29, 2016, 11:17:16 AM
Yes it is a pity that we did not get more cash for Demebele
That was a choice as we could have had that cash in Jan
Actually though I am impressed by how Dembele or his advisors are managing his career
PSG to Fulham - why step down in size of club ? . Great Academy
Stays as Fulham all last season despite interest from premier league clubs pre season onwards . Yes partly the club blocking but we all know if a player really wants to leave he does . - why stay ? Regular 1st team football .
Fulham to Celtic ? Why to the Scottish League and not to Spurs etc . Possibly even less money . Again a chance to play regularly .When he does leave he will expect to go to whichever club as a starter .
Also to note at each level and each step up he scores . A rare and precious talent .
We should be proud of our part in developing him and thank him for the season and goals he did give us
+1 As a goal scoring talent. Perhaps had Symons been replaced earlier our season wouldn't have ended up with Dembele wanting out. In many ways the Club is the architect of its own disasters.
Quote from: Chutney on September 29, 2016, 08:35:30 AM
Don't enjoy people slating youngsters on here, firstly people slating Dembele for leaving (especially after his goals helped us retain our place in the division) and secondly people calling other posters idiots for rating Woodrow, we forget he's still young and learning because he's been with us for a while.
Dembele left as he got a better deal elsewhere, thousands of players do this every year, the fact we got diddly-squat for him was down to the club. Blaming Dembele is very harsh.
Anybody have an idea how much we got for Dembele in the end?
Quote from: Riverside on September 29, 2016, 11:17:16 AM
Yes it is a pity that we did not get more cash for Demebele
That was a choice as we could have had that cash in Jan
Actually though I am impressed by how Dembele or his advisors are managing his career
PSG to Fulham - why step down in size of club ? . Great Academy
Stays as Fulham all last season despite interest from premier league clubs pre season onwards . Yes partly the club blocking but we all know if a player really wants to leave he does . - why stay ? Regular 1st team football .
Fulham to Celtic ? Why to the Scottish League and not to Spurs etc . Possibly even less money . Again a chance to play regularly .When he does leave he will expect to go to whichever club as a starter .
Also to note at each level and each step up he scores . A rare and precious talent .
We should be proud of our part in developing him and thank him for the season and goals he did give us
Have to agree with all your points regard him leaving, but my moan is why have an academy when you bring the one gold nugget on amongst the others and then see them taken from you for peanuts at the end of their first contract when they are still only 18/19.
Quote from: Chutney on September 29, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: The Moose on September 29, 2016, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: Burt on September 29, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
All I know is that had we managed to keep Dembele we would still be in the top 6...
Losing him, and McCormack, without effectively replacing them, may cost us dear this season.
Agreed. That's the one big failing in the transfer window. We went for the budget option and it's not paid off so far.
I can agree with this also, we categorically failed in this respect. While we strengthened in other areas we have been left without a prolific goal scorer, which we have always had as our saving grace. That said, we must have cash to spend in January, so could well sign a top striker for the second half of the season. Until then we will have to rely on goals from midfield and the occasional contribution from the current crop of strikers.
Yes, it still puzzles me that we knew we were going to lose 40 goals a season in attacking talent yet failed to sign any sort of replacement whatsoever. It is true that we should have sufficient funds, as well as room within the FFP, for a winter signing but it iis notoriously difficult to get the right talent during that window. I just hope we don't panic and sign Martin.
Quote from: Bill2 on September 29, 2016, 12:43:00 PM
Have to agree with all your points regard him leaving, but my moan is why have an academy when you bring the one gold nugget on amongst the others and then see them taken from you for peanuts at the end of their first contract when they are still only 18/19.
The problem is that the academy at the time started performing well when the club was in difficulty, the manager choose to not do to much change because relegation was pending. Then the club still got relegated and got the same problem in Championship the years after.
So the academy never got the time to shine.
I struggle to understand why people think we would get a top class forward wanting to join at the time to a struggling Championship side. It is so easy to say lets get whoever but not always the case, and we may well have made lot's enquiries but not reported.
Quote from: alfie on September 29, 2016, 05:16:06 PM
I struggle to understand why people think we would get a top class forward wanting to join at the time to a struggling Championship side. It is so easy to say lets get whoever but not always the case, and we may well have made lot's enquiries but not reported.
At the same time you have to wonder how Bristol City and clubs like them can get payers like Tammy Abraham and we end up with Chris Martin.
You can't honestly tell me Bristol City hold more weight than us in the transfer market.
As sad as it makes me seeing these young players leave, at least it gives our academy and club a name for themselves
Tammy would not have got past the computer boys stats test
Clearly a player though that would have been great for us. But then we only know that because of the job he is doing for Bristol
Maybe we get Tammy next season when he has some stats to analyse
Quote from: Chutney on September 29, 2016, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 29, 2016, 05:16:06 PM
I struggle to understand why people think we would get a top class forward wanting to join at the time to a struggling Championship side. It is so easy to say lets get whoever but not always the case, and we may well have made lot's enquiries but not reported.
At the same time you have to wonder how Bristol City and clubs like them can get payers like Tammy Abraham and we end up with Chris Martin.
You can't honestly tell me Bristol City hold more weight than us in the transfer market.
Didnt see anyone here suggest Tammy Abraham, He was a gamble. No one knew he would perform this well
I can imagine certain posters on this forum getting very angry if we signed an unproven 17 year old striker from Chelsea on loan and would say that Woodrow should be starting ahead of him.
Quote from: @jolslover on September 29, 2016, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: Chutney on September 29, 2016, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 29, 2016, 05:16:06 PM
I struggle to understand why people think we would get a top class forward wanting to join at the time to a struggling Championship side. It is so easy to say lets get whoever but not always the case, and we may well have made lot's enquiries but not reported.
At the same time you have to wonder how Bristol City and clubs like them can get payers like Tammy Abraham and we end up with Chris Martin.
You can't honestly tell me Bristol City hold more weight than us in the transfer market.
Didnt see anyone here suggest Tammy Abraham, He was a gamble. No one knew he would perform this well
I can imagine certain posters on this forum getting very angry if we signed an unproven 17 year old striker from Chelsea on loan and would say that Woodrow should be starting ahead of him.
Sure, the fans might not be happy, but if we had done our scouting properly, like Bristol have, we could of had a similarly talented player banging in goals for us currently. Once the goals start going in you won't see any complaints from the fans, I'm sure there were Bristol fans concerned about a 17 year old signing, that has nothing to do with his ability.
"No one knew he would perform this well" - I'm sure whoever scouted him and had seen him play previously knew what he could do.
There is a huge flaw in the way we find our players, and without knowing our methods I can't suggest what that is, but judging by our recent transfer record over the last few years, whatever we are doing, isn't working.
If other championship teams can consistently find talent in every window why can't we?
Last summer was perhaps our best window for three or four years, and even then when compared with the recruitment of the teams around us, we are lacking.
"Bristol"? Wtf is this Bristol?
There are two clubs in the city of Bristol, one is a division higher than the other. Nobody calls either of them just Bristol.
Quote from: Chutney on September 29, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 29, 2016, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: Chutney on September 29, 2016, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 29, 2016, 05:16:06 PM
I struggle to understand why people think we would get a top class forward wanting to join at the time to a struggling Championship side. It is so easy to say lets get whoever but not always the case, and we may well have made lot's enquiries but not reported.
At the same time you have to wonder how Bristol City and clubs like them can get payers like Tammy Abraham and we end up with Chris Martin.
You can't honestly tell me Bristol City hold more weight than us in the transfer market.
Didnt see anyone here suggest Tammy Abraham, He was a gamble. No one knew he would perform this well
I can imagine certain posters on this forum getting very angry if we signed an unproven 17 year old striker from Chelsea on loan and would say that Woodrow should be starting ahead of him.
Sure, the fans might not be happy, but if we had done our scouting properly, like Bristol have, we could of had a similarly talented player banging in goals for us currently. Once the goals start going in you won't see any complaints from the fans, I'm sure there were Bristol fans concerned about a 17 year old signing, that has nothing to do with his ability.
"No one knew he would perform this well" - I'm sure whoever scouted him and had seen him play previously knew what he could do.
There is a huge flaw in the way we find our players, and without knowing our methods I can't suggest what that is, but judging by our recent transfer record over the last few years, whatever we are doing, isn't working.
If other championship teams can consistently find talent in every window why can't we?
Last summer was perhaps our best window for three or four years, and even then when compared with the recruitment of the teams around us, we are lacking.
When you say last summer do you mean 16/17 window, (the one just passed) or 15/16 window?
There were some winners in the Dembele move:-
Celtic obtained a very good striker who is scoring goals for them in European football without paying a huge transfer fee.
Dembele has no doubt enjoyed a good salary increase and is playing in European football.
Dembele's agent probably had a nice cheque from at least one of the parties involved.
The outright losers were Fulham who gained absolutely nothing and were left high and dry without a champion quality striker.
Something wrong when a move like this can be so unbalanced.
The Roberts move was really a greater loss of player but at least we came out of it with a few quid in the bank.
Arsenal and Bayern ready to swoop in January?
While Dembele seems to be progressing,Roberts isnt.
Quote from: @jolslover on September 29, 2016, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: Chutney on September 29, 2016, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 29, 2016, 05:16:06 PM
I struggle to understand why people think we would get a top class forward wanting to join at the time to a struggling Championship side. It is so easy to say lets get whoever but not always the case, and we may well have made lot's enquiries but not reported.
At the same time you have to wonder how Bristol City and clubs like them can get payers like Tammy Abraham and we end up with Chris Martin.
You can't honestly tell me Bristol City hold more weight than us in the transfer market.
Didnt see anyone here suggest Tammy Abraham, He was a gamble. No one knew he would perform this well
I can imagine certain posters on this forum getting very angry if we signed an unproven 17 year old striker from Chelsea on loan and would say that Woodrow should be starting ahead of him.
Just because he is doing well at BC does not mean he would do the same here, different players, different set up, all sorts of things affect how a player performs.
You never know some of our forwards just may find their shooting boots.
Quote from: filham on September 29, 2016, 10:07:17 PM
There were some winners in the Dembele move:-
Celtic obtained a very good striker who is scoring goals for them in European football without paying a huge transfer fee.
Dembele has no doubt enjoyed a good salary increase and is playing in European football.
Dembele's agent probably had a nice cheque from at least one of the parties involved.
The outright losers were Fulham who gained absolutely nothing and were left high and dry without a champion quality striker.
Something wrong when a move like this can be so unbalanced.
The Roberts move was really a greater loss of player but at least we came out of it with a few quid in the bank.
As I said earlier in this post why bother with an academy when you lose all the real quality for nothing and then other clubs get the benefit, no doubt will get a nice cheque. The rules need to change so when the youngsters get snapped up by other clubs the selling club should be eligible for a cut or the can give longer contracts which then have to be bought out.
I don't blame Dembele for moving, what irritates is the fact if Celtic sell they get the reward for our development work.
Quote from: Bill2 on September 30, 2016, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: filham on September 29, 2016, 10:07:17 PM
There were some winners in the Dembele move:-
Celtic obtained a very good striker who is scoring goals for them in European football without paying a huge transfer fee.
Dembele has no doubt enjoyed a good salary increase and is playing in European football.
Dembele's agent probably had a nice cheque from at least one of the parties involved.
The outright losers were Fulham who gained absolutely nothing and were left high and dry without a champion quality striker.
Something wrong when a move like this can be so unbalanced.
The Roberts move was really a greater loss of player but at least we came out of it with a few quid in the bank.
As I said earlier in this post why bother with an academy when you lose all the real quality for nothing and then other clubs get the benefit, no doubt will get a nice cheque. The rules need to change so when the youngsters get snapped up by other clubs the selling club should be eligible for a cut or the can give longer contracts which then have to be bought out.
I don't blame Dembele for moving, what irritates is the fact if Celtic sell they get the reward for our development work.
What the club got for his development was a 15 league goal scoring striker last season. How much would the club have to pay right now to get another one of those?
The mistake the club has made with the academy thus far has not been the development. It has been the inability to navigate how to sell or sign the youth that make it. Hopefully they are learning and will manage the Sessegnon situation better than the Hyndman/Dembele generation.
Blame the club for losing Moussa, not Moussa himself
Some Fulham fans couldn't see the potential in him, he's still not the finish article but will only get better
Good luck to the lad
