Disgraceful. Whilst I don't wish to repeat what was sung and shouted, it's an absolute disgrace to our club that some of our fans believe that all LGBT+ people support Brighton and vice versa.
I was able to identify certain individuals yesterday, and the police were informed. I won't go into any more detail on these individuals.
Absolute disgrace, quite frankly. I don't care if we end up with away attendances of one man and his dog, as long as these people are evicted and banned. 096.gig
Quote from: Brawn on November 27, 2016, 07:09:52 AM
Disgraceful. Whilst I don't wish to repeat what was sung and shouted, it's an absolute disgrace to our club that some of our fans believe that all LGBT+ people support Brighton and vice versa.
I was able to identify certain individuals yesterday, and the police were informed. I won't go into any more detail on these individuals.
Absolute disgrace, quite frankly. I don't care if we end up with away attendances of one man and his dog, as long as these people are evicted and banned. 096.gig
:plus one: I don't live in UK so rarely get to attend matches but I detest this sort of bigotry. Chants that highlight genuine rivalry or are funny are great but homophobic, racist etc. chanting is a disgrace.
Heard this from behind me quite early in the first half. Well done for identifying them, I was glad to hear no one outside the little group of drunken idiots joining in.
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Quote from: Statto on November 27, 2016, 10:07:21 AM
Are we still allowed to cheer when we score or does that offend people as well?
Your not really defending the bigots, are you?
I thought our genuine fans were a little more educated than resorting to homophobic chants !!!!
I always thought that LGBT was some sort of sandwich comprised of Lettuce, Granola, Bacon and Tomato?
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Quote from: Statto on November 27, 2016, 10:07:21 AM
Are we still allowed to cheer when we score or does that offend people as well?
Your not really defending the bigots, are you?
Looks like it from where I'm sitting.
Astonishing.
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I am going to right to the club about it as yesterday the players wore rainbow laces to try to stop abuse of LGBT people in football. There were all sorts of disgusting signs being done by me
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Wakey wakey people, it's the 21st Century, the intolerant 60s and 70s are long behind us. Move on, grow up, and respect the fact that people are allowed to be different.
Quote from: Berserker on November 27, 2016, 10:25:35 AM
I am going to right to the club about it as yesterday the players wore rainbow laces to try to stop abuse of LGBT people in football. There were all sorts of disgusting signs being done by me
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"There were all sorts of disgusting signs being done by me"
Please tell, what sort of signs were you doing? 064.gif
Sorry meant to say by people I could see from where I was stood. I wasn't doing anything disgusting myself
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People swear at football matches too. It is what has always gone on. Eventually the insults will be turned on another minority once the LGBT community becomes more accepted. It happened and happens with women and fat people and black and coloured people and people with long hair. Brighton has a large Gay community it happens there.
Humans go around in tribes. It is natural for them to turn against each other. Sad but natural. As for us being less intolerant than back in the day. I think we need to look at the rise of political extremes as main stream to realise that we just transfer our prejudices from gang to another.
My son showed me the 'Millwall Granny' clip, I honestly thought it was some sort of twisted windup. Nothing surprises me these days.
Quote from: Berserker on November 27, 2016, 10:25:35 AM
I am going to right to the club about it as yesterday the players wore rainbow laces to try to stop abuse of LGBT people in football. There were all sorts of disgusting signs being done by me
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Suggest you also contact the police. The more people that report it, the more they'll notice.
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 27, 2016, 11:05:43 AM
People swear at football matches too. It is what has always gone on. Eventually the insults will be turned on another minority once the LGBT community becomes more accepted. It happened and happens with women and fat people and black and coloured people and people with long hair. Brighton has a large Gay community it happens there.
Humans go around in tribes. It is natural for them to turn against each other. Sad but natural. As for us being less intolerant than back in the day. I think we need to look at the rise of political extremes as main stream to realise that we just transfer our prejudices from gang to another.
Natural or not right thinking people have to stand up and condemn it in no uncertain terms.
It will be a real shame if this type of issue becomes, well an issue, for a Club that is famed for being just a little bit 'out there'. Doubtless it will be a small group and they will think they are the dogs wotsits this morning but really guys. In 2016 if that's the best they can come up then it is they themselves who have all the problems.
With luck, a fair wind and good timing I will be joining Mrs B next week in H3. If I hear it heads will banged together and a proper fuss made I assure you. We are so much better than this drivel.
I remember holding up a banner at half time at the last Brighton Fulham game at the goldstone during halftime with my mum. It read Keep Brighton in Hove actually, it got applause from all four sides of the ground as the stewards let us hold it up betweeen the sideline and advertising hoardings. We're not all bigots, a lot of Fulham fans have compassion.
You will always get a minority who will behave like this. There is a tribe mentality with some away fans. I have noticed it with the youngsters trying to impress their mates or elders by what they say and do.
Homophobic bigotry must be stamped out. Barr them and show it's not acceptable. Bring on the day when the first of the many gay footballers can come out before the end of their careers
I think that the club (and all football clubs) have more influence than the police over this. It will be difficult for the police to identify those involved and gather suffcient evidence; and even if they do, only a few individuals will be banned. If the club puts out a strong condemnation prominently both on its website and in the next programme, and emails everyone on the club mailing list, and promises to issue a lifetime ban against anyone chanting remarks of this kind, that might make some of these people think again.
Agree but. I think people are too sensitive these days.
Quote from: Berserker on November 27, 2016, 10:25:35 AM
I am going to right to the club about it as yesterday the players wore rainbow laces to try to stop abuse of LGBT people in football. There were all sorts of disgusting signs being done by me
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I'm not anti-gay, racist etc. and don't understand the moronic shouts yesterday.
I am 'anti-idiots/bigots' who come in all colours, creeds, shapes, genders etc.
Large groups of people at football matches will always attract dickheads and I suspect this group
were not what we would call 'genuine supporters" shame if they were.
I also can't understand this Chelsea/QPR 'scum' thing and some of the facial distortion 'hating chants'
at games.
I remember being at the Leicester Cup game and even my own son was screaming like a banshee at the
Leicester fans.
I was also at the Villa cup tie and me and my daughter (sat with Villa supporters) jumped up twice....YESSSSS
The vitriol around us from mostly older people was disgraceful.
What does seem silly is that if the gay situation is now normality, why did the players wear rainbow laces.
all that did was draw attention to the 'issue' and particularly in a gay 'Mecca'
Are players that wear white laces white extremists and so on
I would however like to start a 'Heterosexual Pride Week and yearly march' as 'we' do seem to be being left behind as
the world continues to morph into a variety of tolerances and intolerances.
I was a Mod and hated Rockers.
Were they sub-humans? (on reflection .............!)
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Quote from: Berserker on November 27, 2016, 10:25:35 AM
I am going to right to the club about it as yesterday the players wore rainbow laces to try to stop abuse of LGBT people in football. There were all sorts of disgusting signs being done by me
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I'm not anti-gay, racist etc. and don't understand the moronic shouts yesterday.
I am 'anti-idiots/bigots' who come in all colours, creeds, shapes, genders etc.
Large groups of people at football matches will always attract dickheads and I suspect this group
were not what we would call 'genuine supporters" shame if they were.
I also can't understand this Chelsea/QPR 'scum' thing and some of the facial distortion 'hating chants'
at games.
I remember being at the Leicester Cup game and even my own son was screaming like a banshee at the
Leicester fans.
I was also at the Villa cup tie and me and my daughter (sat with Villa supporters) jumped up twice....YESSSSS
The vitriol around us from mostly older people was disgraceful.
What does seem silly is that if the gay situation is now normality, why did the players wear rainbow laces.
all that did was draw attention to the 'issue' and particularly in a gay 'Mecca'
Are players that wear white laces white extremists and so on
I would however like to start a 'Heterosexual Pride Week and yearly march' as 'we' do seem to be being left behind as
the world continues to morph into a variety of tolerances and intolerances.
I was a Mod and hated Rockers.
Were they sub-humans? (on reflection .............!)
Heterosexuality is not an abused minority which is the reason for these campaigns which are important for ridding of the homophobic culture in football.
It is not about leaving people out or behind but trying to close the gap in society's perceptions. Many gay people feel alienated and are abused for so much as holding hands in public. If there wasn't a problem there would be no need for rainbow laces, but the sad fact is that there still is a large prejudice.
Having spent most of my working life in the airline industry I've had many gay colleagues and friends. Great people and to my mind their sexuality is their business. This also applies to heterosexual friends and colleagues. However there was alwAys a small pocket of gay 'enforcers' who really rammed the gay stuff down your throat (insert own joke here). I disliked that lot as much as the anti gay bigots. It's always a minority tainting the majority.
Having spent most of my working life in the airline industry I've had many gay colleagues and friends. Great people and to my mind their sexuality is their business. This also applies to heterosexual friends and colleagues. However there was alwAys a small pocket of gay 'enforcers' who really rammed the gay stuff down your throat (insert own joke here). I disliked that lot as much as the anti gay bigots. It's always a minority tainting the majority.
Good post Vinnie
Quote from: Vinnieffc on November 27, 2016, 04:34:38 PM
Having spent most of my working life in the airline industry I've had many gay colleagues and friends. Great people and to my mind their sexuality is their business. This also applies to heterosexual friends and colleagues. However there was alwAys a small pocket of gay 'enforcers' who really rammed the gay stuff down your throat (insert own joke here). I disliked that lot as much as the anti gay bigots. It's always a minority tainting the majority.
Yes part of any minority suddenly find they have the self proclaimed spokespeople telling them and everybody else how to behave. Which is why we have deep discussions about who should use what toilet and when while forgetting that everybody has rights and we should learn to behave correctly before being bombarded about insulting a minority and apologising for any past misdeeds.
I suspect the perpetrators of this vile and idiotic abuse were young ignorant types rather than hard core bigots, that's not to excuse them of course.
I've seen some young teenagers/early twenties types at games recently that have made me cringe with their ignorant, uneducated and boorish behaviour, I assume you find them at all clubs.
I'm guessing these people thought it amusing and clever in their own pathetic, childish way like the idiots that let off smoke bombs at away games recently.
What went on is wrong but the problem will never go away,as that is all we seem to hear about nowadays is ,Gay rights..They already have rights the same as me an can get up in the morning and go about their day,I don't see any signs on shop windows or buses or trains saying no Gays.
Its brought on partly by themselves, these gay marches everywhere proclaiming their sexuality,do we go on marches blowing whistles chanting great to be straight.My niece is a lesbian she goes about her daily life just like everyone else,doesn't keep telling everyone what her preferences are.
Too much publicity about it all,they just need to get on with their lives,they are what they are,stop bkeedin telling us about it all the time.Some of them seem to want special rights for being gay.Its always been around and always will be.
Just don't keep on about it I say.
They'd be accepted by more people if they didn't..Personally I'd rather have a cup of cha and a Danish pastry.
I was not at the game yesterday.....but from previous trips when we play Brighton.....the worst chant that I have heard is 'Does Your Boyfriend Know You're Here'......so I am somewhat surprised by all this....but having said that....we do have about 10 to 20 knobheads who follow us away.....shame really as Brighton and their fans are great...
All teams have knobheads that follow them , including Brighton , as i saw and heard at brighton station after the game .
The best come back I heard whilst at university at Sussex I was in the Coventry away end when Mickey Adams was manager was "you're too ugly to be gay" from Brighton when Coventry sang the boyfriend song, everyone clapped. I lived in Brighton for 5 years and have close friends who are gay who despised the gay "scene", they thought that reposte hilarious. Make of that what what you will.
I blame the bleedin BBC..
I heard a lot of homophobic stuff shouted around where I was sitting yesterday but it was pretty moronic and pathetically trying to be funny tbh
As WG Fields famously said -
"I am completely free of any prejudice..........I hate everyone equally"
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 27, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
I blame the bleedin BBC..
Yes, a cooperation that is rotten inside and out, a loony left proganda machine, in conjunction with that stench of a Broadsheet the Guardian. A journal that the BBC spend thousands of pounds on to produce the next Livingstone or the next Abbott or the next Corbyn or the next Galloway, or the next Blair, or the next Clegg. all enemies of this country. PC at its most ugly
you forgot to mention Cameron and Osborne in your tirade. oh no they wear blue, don't they?
Its never been the same since they changed Marathons into Snickers.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on November 27, 2016, 05:13:29 PM
I suspect the perpetrators of this vile and idiotic abuse were young ignorant types rather than hard core bigots, that's not to excuse them of course.
I've seen some young teenagers/early twenties types at games recently that have made me cringe with their ignorant, uneducated and boorish behaviour, I assume you find them at all clubs.
I'm guessing these people thought it amusing and clever in their own pathetic, childish way like the idiots that let off smoke bombs at away games recently.
Sadly the three or so I saw weren't actually young. Certainly older than me at 29.
The group I'm talking about were back row of s1d right in the corner right of the block as you look at the pitch.
Wasted, certainly. But young, not particularly. So just want to stamp out that assumption.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 27, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
No I did not forget Cameron or Osborne as they are not enemies of this country, just wet behind the ears public school boys, that have never been hungry or lacked nothing.
So do I take it that people like me, who do not vote tory are enemies of this country?
Also anyone who is more scathing towards 'the left' than they are to the outright lying, hate mongering 'right wing' likes of the mail, the sun and the express needs their head examining.
But you started it.
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Quote from: Peabody on November 27, 2016, 07:11:44 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 27, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
No I did not forget Cameron or Osborne as they are not enemies of this country, just wet behind the ears public school boys, that have never been hungry or lacked nothing.
So do I take it that people like me, who do not vote tory are enemies of this country?
Either that Mr P or we're 'do gooders' which has somehow become a derogatory term. I'll take that over the opposite.
Quote from: PokerMatt on November 27, 2016, 07:14:01 PM
Also anyone who is more scathing towards 'the left' than they are to the outright lying, hate mongering 'right wing' likes of the mail, the sun and the express needs their head examining.
But you started it.
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That's strange you saying that as after Brexit and USA its the left fanatics that are on the streets protesting and burning things because they don't accept the Democratic vote of the people..
And the far right fanatic terrorist who killed an MP in the name of nationalism had his sentence verdict buried half way down the dangerous newspaper that's partly responsible in legitimising the views such horrendous people.
Besides, the only complaints I've seen about democracy came after it was decided that Brexit would in fact follow a democratic, parliamentary process.
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Quote from: PokerMatt on November 27, 2016, 07:23:36 PM
And the far right fanatic terrorist who killed an MP in the name of nationalism had his sentence verdict buried half way down the dangerous newspaper that's partly responsible in legitimising the views such horrendous people.
Besides, the only complaints I've seen about democracy came after it was decided that Brexit would in fact follow a democratic, parliamentary process.
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I think that lunatic is just mentally unstable don't you...Bit like Tony Blair.
Mentally unstable is the description used to describe a terrorist who doesn't fit the agenda of the current enemy.
Absolutely he's a lunatic, but so is anyone who kills in the name religion, nationalism or hate.
Pray tell, where's the distinction?
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Also Matt as far as sentences being buried last week the BBC on their main news at Six didn't mention that 8 men from Rotherham were sentenced to 96 years for abusing girls..Why in case they offend certain people..Bleeding joke.
Good post Statto.
Very amusing woolly. Give me a nod when you have something useful to offer this forum.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 27, 2016, 05:09:02 PM
" judge and ye also will be judged" Corinthians 9 verse 4.
Who, Me? Thank you very much :)
Quote from: Statto on November 27, 2016, 07:42:26 PM
Brexit... Cameron... "The left"... This thread is getting more and more overtly political, which it always was in essence despite the context being a football match. But since the mods have left it run and it's remained at the top of the page all day, I'll give my opinion, however controversial.
Firstly, I can't speak for the people that were singing this stuff but I highly doubt they believe, as the OP says,"that all LGBT+ people support Brighton and vice versa." This wouldn't have been about abusing gay people for them. Like most football chants it's about winding up the oppo fans, another bunch of straight blokes, probably mildly homophobic themselves in the main, who'll think it an insult to be called gay. So ironically the most bigoted people in that crowd were probably the most likely to have been offended.
Of course there was bound to have been a few gay people in the crowd on both sides and they probably felt very uncomfortable about the chanting, understandably so. And of course those chanting wouldn't have cared about that, and no, that's not very nice. But if the worst thing that happens to you on a Saturday is you hear a bunch of straight blokes shouting homophobic abuse at another group of straight blokes, you've probably not got a very bad life. We all have our cross to bear.
Does all this really justify getting people banned, arrested and (currently) a four-page thread on here? A lot of people remain at least slightly uncomfortable about homosexuality and the reality is, whether we like or not, it's their right to feel like that. To be frank, homophobia isn't comparable to racism in scale or nature so in some contexts like football a little bit of it still remains inevitable, at least for now. To quote that old Stonewall ad, "get over it".
Common sense at last :plus one:
You don't realise just how victimised I feel when the chant goes up "You ate all the pies". Will nobody think of the obese?
As a left wing, right wing centralist. I fear more the people who claim they are the right thinking majority and the people who claim that the opposite to their argument is wrong without being able to debate why.
Politics be damned.
It has no place in football and I hope in future Fulham don't sing these songs when playing anyone (more likely against Brighton). I would imagine this happens every week against Brighton but that certainly doesn't make it right or funny and it's something you don't normally associated with Fulham.
I've noticed in the past few years the younger fans are quite lairy. Singing immature songs trying to be funny and missing the point of singing a fulhamish song actually being funny, more often than not mocking ourselves.
Being funny doesn't mean being nasty. Hopefully the fans who cross the line will be punished and the others will grow up and go to a game to support the club rather than just for a day out as little rebels.
I'm locking this thread as it failed to stay on subject. Don't have a clue what all the political nonsense was all about? You know politics aren't allowed so it's best to lock this before someone goes too far.
If anyone has an issue with this including the op please feel free to pm me. I normally respond quickly but please don't start another thread. If there's a question, approach me privately please.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on November 27, 2016, 05:46:23 PM
What went on is wrong but the problem will never go away,as that is all we seem to hear about nowadays is ,Gay rights..They already have rights the same as me an can get up in the morning and go about their day,I don't see any signs on shop windows or buses or trains saying no Gays.
Its brought on partly by themselves, these gay marches everywhere proclaiming their sexuality,do we go on marches blowing whistles chanting great to be straight.My niece is a lesbian she goes about her daily life just like everyone else,doesn't keep telling everyone what her preferences are.
Too much publicity about it all,they just need to get on with their lives,they are what they are,stop bkeedin telling us about it all the time.Some of them seem to want special rights for being gay.Its always been around and always will be.
Just don't keep on about it I say.
They'd be accepted by more people if they didn't..Personally I'd rather have a cup of cha and a Danish pastry.
Totally agree with your sentiments, though the same cannot be said regarding the 'No Gays' part here in the States. There have been a number of court cases and legislatures decisions concerning such things, and I cannot see it not becoming similar back home.
I agree that sometimes groups put themselves outside of the 'norm' by advertising their differences, and that can cause a backlash, but either way, such backlashes are really not acceptable, or wanted.
