Just wondering what his situation actually is if anyone has a bit more insider knowledge.
I've heard that he is due to go back to Spain on loan/transfer as he is struggling/homesick, but then I have also heard that that is not the case and it is just a case of him not being good enough compared to what we have and that is why he has been demoted to the U23s.
From the little I have seen of him so far he has look promising, just a little lightweight. Maybe we are going to try and bulk him up before we use him?
Quote from: Jamie88 on December 06, 2016, 05:17:46 PM
Just wondering what his situation actually is if anyone has a bit more insider knowledge.
I've heard that he is due to go back to Spain on loan/transfer as he is struggling/homesick, but then I have also heard that that is not the case and it is just a case of him not being good enough compared to what we have and that is why he has been demoted to the U23s.
From the little I have seen of him so far he has look promising, just a little lightweight. Maybe we are going to try and bulk him up before we use him?
I'm sure there was a Slav interview where he said he was taking time to settle and mentioned the language being a bit of a barrier? In truth I think he'd struggle to break in to the current midfield which is starting to look settled and picks itself. He's been playing every week in the reserves/PL2 side so there's hope for him yet. Strikes me as he may work better if we ever made it to the Prem. Looked not bad to me in his few first team games. At Wigan away he was probably best player in the first half according to Jim.
I rate him, Thought he was our best player at Wigan away. Assume (hope) he will get a chance soon
Slavisa said this about him (and I guess Kebano/Ayite) "It's true that my team is full of talented players, but we have to adapt ourselves to exactly where we are. We are not in France, we are not in Spain, We are in the Championship."
Will probably see Joza, Kebano, LVC, Woodrow, Bett etc at Cardiff in the cup
not so sure we will see all of those in the cup. reckon he will keep a majority of the first team playing to keep momentum, assuming we still have it. For me that would also be the right choice
Kebano showed masses of ability at Blackburn when we played them away.
Kebano looked decent when he came on against Reading
Quote from: AlexW132 on December 06, 2016, 09:11:25 PM
Kebano looked decent when he came on against Reading
Everyone looked decent against Reading! :-)
Jozabed has looked a pretty good player from what I have seen of him, but will struggle to get an automatic start as long as the midfield keeps playing as well as it has done for quite some time and injuries and suspensions stay away. He has a nice balance to his play, neat and tidy, capable of changing pace and direction deceptively and perhaps just needing a boost to his confidence to get him out of his shell so that he feels he belongs. I thought he linked up well with his team mates when he has played and could be influential as the game against Wigan suggested. He is on the bench so there is every chance he'll get a good chance to impress sooner or later.
The little I have seen of him I liked, I read somewhere last week that he Is expected to return to a Spanish side probably on loan in January
Jozabed is the type of player who would flourish in the Premier League where he is given a tad bit more space. I can see him going out on loan this window and if we miraculously get promoted, coming and playing a part next season. If we don't go up I can see him going this summer.
It doesn't surprise me that Jozabed has taken a while to settle.
He's never played outside of Spain, never been part of the national team set up and only had two years of top level football in Spain. He spoke/speaks very little English and is relatively inexperienced considering his age.
English football is fast and ferocious; he's technically good enough, but the language barrier on top of the swirling sensation of the division on top of the more aggressive aspect is very difficult to adjust to. Will he ever adjust? That's a question of his character, whether he can or wants to.
Again, homesickness wouldn't surprise me, he's probably seldom been away from Spain, he's from a very small town and played for very small teams; even Vallecano in the Primera Division is a small team, spending the majority of their history in the second division - the frequent of times at the top being their most recent run. Homesickness would be an issue to overcome, some players just want to go home as soon as possible, some players will dip into a depression, some players will struggle initially but become an Englishman by extension and others will have no adaption period. If you can't speak the language, he's probably only communicating at the football club with the coaching staff and then any family at home (where it's cold, dark and London can be daunting in terms of pace and size compared to little old Seville where he grew up).
He has the ability, does he have the character? Does he want it? Time will tell.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 07, 2016, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: FPT on December 07, 2016, 03:14:30 PM
It doesn't surprise me that Jozabed has taken a while to settle.
He's never played outside of Spain, never been part of the national team set up and only had two years of top level football in Spain. He spoke/speaks very little English and is relatively inexperienced considering his age.
English football is fast and ferocious; he's technically good enough, but the language barrier on top of the swirling sensation of the division on top of the more aggressive aspect is very difficult to adjust to. Will he ever adjust? That's a question of his character, whether he can or wants to.
Again, homesickness wouldn't surprise me, he's probably seldom been away from Spain, he's from a very small town and played for very small teams; even Vallecano in the Primera Division is a small team, spending the majority of their history in the second division - the frequent of times at the top being their most recent run. Homesickness would be an issue to overcome, some players just want to go home as soon as possible, some players will dip into a depression, some players will struggle initially but become an Englishman by extension and others will have no adaption period. If you can't speak the language, he's probably only communicating at the football club with the coaching staff and then any family at home (where it's cold, dark and London can be daunting in terms of pace and size compared to little old Seville where he grew up).
He has the ability, does he have the character? Does he want it? Time will tell.
Which begs the question, why on earth did Fulham sign him in the first place.
Because his stats were awesome
Quote from: Jamie88 on December 06, 2016, 05:17:46 PM
Just wondering what his situation actually is if anyone has a bit more insider knowledge.
I've heard that he is due to go back to Spain on loan/transfer as he is struggling/homesick, but then I have also heard that that is not the case and it is just a case of him not being good enough compared to what we have and that is why he has been demoted to the U23s.
From the little I have seen of him so far he has look promising, just a little lightweight. Maybe we are going to try and bulk him up before we use him?
Not a dig at you, but homesick / going out on loan back to Spain just sounds like the kind of thing people make up to fill in the gaps when they don't know what's going on
I really appreciate threads like this that give assessments of players many of us NOT in England don't get to see regularly.
With a few snarky suggestions, everything on here has helped me feel closer to the club. Thanks.
Quote from: Nero on December 07, 2016, 09:19:44 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 07, 2016, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: FPT on December 07, 2016, 03:14:30 PM
It doesn't surprise me that Jozabed has taken a while to settle.
He's never played outside of Spain, never been part of the national team set up and only had two years of top level football in Spain. He spoke/speaks very little English and is relatively inexperienced considering his age.
English football is fast and ferocious; he's technically good enough, but the language barrier on top of the swirling sensation of the division on top of the more aggressive aspect is very difficult to adjust to. Will he ever adjust? That's a question of his character, whether he can or wants to.
Again, homesickness wouldn't surprise me, he's probably seldom been away from Spain, he's from a very small town and played for very small teams; even Vallecano in the Primera Division is a small team, spending the majority of their history in the second division - the frequent of times at the top being their most recent run. Homesickness would be an issue to overcome, some players just want to go home as soon as possible, some players will dip into a depression, some players will struggle initially but become an Englishman by extension and others will have no adaption period. If you can't speak the language, he's probably only communicating at the football club with the coaching staff and then any family at home (where it's cold, dark and London can be daunting in terms of pace and size compared to little old Seville where he grew up).
He has the ability, does he have the character? Does he want it? Time will tell.
Which begs the question, why on earth did Fulham sign him in the first place.
Because his stats were awesome
And jokanovic wanted him
I love how people are happy to default to the view that any signing that hasn't or doesn't work out is stats related, and any signing that was (apparently) thwarted by stats would have been a success and had it gone through we'd be in the playoffs or more.
London is full of small town boys and girls who have put themselves through gut-wrenching personal challenge to make their mark in the world.
If he's on track he will have been spending the past five months gradually bulking up with the right kind of muscle and learning the defensive mindset to cope with what is brilliantly described above as the "swirling sensation of the division".
We need him because a serious injury or offer too good to refuse for Cairney puts us in a creative deficit.
Quote from: Statto on December 08, 2016, 10:13:39 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 08, 2016, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Nero on December 07, 2016, 09:19:44 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 07, 2016, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: FPT on December 07, 2016, 03:14:30 PM
It doesn't surprise me that Jozabed has taken a while to settle.
He's never played outside of Spain, never been part of the national team set up and only had two years of top level football in Spain. He spoke/speaks very little English and is relatively inexperienced considering his age.
English football is fast and ferocious; he's technically good enough, but the language barrier on top of the swirling sensation of the division on top of the more aggressive aspect is very difficult to adjust to. Will he ever adjust? That's a question of his character, whether he can or wants to.
Again, homesickness wouldn't surprise me, he's probably seldom been away from Spain, he's from a very small town and played for very small teams; even Vallecano in the Primera Division is a small team, spending the majority of their history in the second division - the frequent of times at the top being their most recent run. Homesickness would be an issue to overcome, some players just want to go home as soon as possible, some players will dip into a depression, some players will struggle initially but become an Englishman by extension and others will have no adaption period. If you can't speak the language, he's probably only communicating at the football club with the coaching staff and then any family at home (where it's cold, dark and London can be daunting in terms of pace and size compared to little old Seville where he grew up).
He has the ability, does he have the character? Does he want it? Time will tell.
Which begs the question, why on earth did Fulham sign him in the first place.
Because his stats were awesome
And jokanovic wanted him
not sure if I asked this already and not meaning to challenge your integrity but just out of interest what's the source of this? I can sort of believe it given the Spanish connection but as I'm sure I said the other day, sticking a player in the reserves isn't the behaviour of a manager who has confidence in that player, and if the manager has no confidence in him It seems unlikely the manager drove the decision to make him our most expensive signing this summer (or maybe second most expensive after kebano)
from within club.
There is a difference as you well know in getting a player you want and then getting them to perform.
He gave him his head at the start and gave him chances. It didn't work and he's struggling to settle. What happens in January I do not know, but I but he has something about him and hopefully he will ha e settled somewhere to live and find his way back into squad. I think Joka picks teams to win games no matter if he was his man, a statts man or from the squad before. You deliver for him you play.
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Quote from: Jamie88 on December 06, 2016, 05:17:46 PM
Just wondering what his situation actually is if anyone has a bit more insider knowledge.
I've heard that he is due to go back to Spain on loan/transfer as he is struggling/homesick, but then I have also heard that that is not the case and it is just a case of him not being good enough compared to what we have and that is why he has been demoted to the U23s.
From the little I have seen of him so far he has look promising, just a little lightweight. Maybe we are going to try and bulk him up before we use him?
Not a dig at you, but homesick / going out on loan back to Spain just sounds like the kind of thing people make up to fill in the gaps when they don't know what's going on
I haven't made it up, it mentions it in this article:
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-man-still-needs-adapt-12077949 (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-man-still-needs-adapt-12077949)
The little we've seen him - he looked very comfortable, maybe he'll be seen more in the second half of the season
He
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on December 08, 2016, 03:09:56 PM
The little we've seen him - he looked very comfortable, maybe he'll be seen more in the second half of the season
He continues to play in the U21s and featured in the loss against Charlton ( as did LVC, Tunnicliffe and Woodrow, but interestingly not Humphries so maybe he gets his place on the bench this weekend ahead of Martin missing out on the Derby game?).
That shows they continue to want him getting game time and remaining match fit, similar to the others listed above. We have so far avoided many injuries but it would only take a couple of key people to get hurt over Xmas and all the talk of shipping players out on loan and/or back to Spain will disappear.
Quote from: YoungsBitter on December 08, 2016, 06:38:03 PM
He continues to play in the U21s and featured in the loss against Charlton ( as did LVC, Tunnicliffe and Woodrow, but interestingly not Humphries so maybe he gets his place on the bench this weekend ahead of Martin missing out on the Derby game?).
Maybe. But Humphrys tweeted that he was ill.
Quote from: cmg on December 08, 2016, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: YoungsBitter on December 08, 2016, 06:38:03 PM
He continues to play in the U21s and featured in the loss against Charlton ( as did LVC, Tunnicliffe and Woodrow, but interestingly not Humphries so maybe he gets his place on the bench this weekend ahead of Martin missing out on the Derby game?).
Maybe. But Humphrys tweeted that he was ill.
It was wishful thinking, I would like to see him get a chance as his contract is up end of this season and Woodrow does not suit the single target man role Joka prefers.
Quote from: YoungsBitter on December 08, 2016, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 08, 2016, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: YoungsBitter on December 08, 2016, 06:38:03 PM
He continues to play in the U21s and featured in the loss against Charlton ( as did LVC, Tunnicliffe and Woodrow, but interestingly not Humphries so maybe he gets his place on the bench this weekend ahead of Martin missing out on the Derby game?).
Maybe. But Humphrys tweeted that he was ill.
It was wishful thinking, I would like to see him get a chance as his contract is up end of this season and Woodrow does not suit the single target man role Joka prefers.
70% of Cauley's problem is seemingly him or the club not knowing who and what type of striker he really is at professional level. In the under 18s and under 21s, he could be a target man. Is he grown up enough yet to be that? He's quite similar to Harry Kane (who Woodrow actually outperformed in Toulon a couple of years back), but Kane has only a couple of inches of Cauley but built like a completely different animal.
Cauley drew comparisons to Teddy Sheringham early on, I don't know whether that's still there but I don't think he's ever been allowed the opportunity to play in a role and in a partnership that suits his abilities.
I ranted, but side note, Humphrys was ill hence why he didn't play, not because of first team involvement.
Quote from: Jamie88 on December 08, 2016, 11:34:29 AM
Quote from: J on December 07, 2016, 10:43:19 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on December 06, 2016, 05:17:46 PM
Just wondering what his situation actually is if anyone has a bit more insider knowledge.
I've heard that he is due to go back to Spain on loan/transfer as he is struggling/homesick, but then I have also heard that that is not the case and it is just a case of him not being good enough compared to what we have and that is why he has been demoted to the U23s.
From the little I have seen of him so far he has look promising, just a little lightweight. Maybe we are going to try and bulk him up before we use him?
Not a dig at you, but homesick / going out on loan back to Spain just sounds like the kind of thing people make up to fill in the gaps when they don't know what's going on
I haven't made it up, it mentions it in this article:
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-man-still-needs-adapt-12077949 (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-man-still-needs-adapt-12077949)
Fair play, I didn't mean that you made it up :)
I just take a lot of things like this with a healthy pinch of salt as often rumours / assumptions and hearsay generate their own momentum without any fact checking (which I appreciate is what you are doing in starting this thread!)
Quote from: FPT on December 08, 2016, 11:12:23 PM
Quote from: YoungsBitter on December 08, 2016, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: cmg on December 08, 2016, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: YoungsBitter on December 08, 2016, 06:38:03 PM
He continues to play in the U21s and featured in the loss against Charlton ( as did LVC, Tunnicliffe and Woodrow, but interestingly not Humphries so maybe he gets his place on the bench this weekend ahead of Martin missing out on the Derby game?).
Maybe. But Humphrys tweeted that he was ill.
It was wishful thinking, I would like to see him get a chance as his contract is up end of this season and Woodrow does not suit the single target man role Joka prefers.
70% of Cauley's problem is seemingly him or the club not knowing who and what type of striker he really is at professional level. In the under 18s and under 21s, he could be a target man. Is he grown up enough yet to be that? He's quite similar to Harry Kane (who Woodrow actually outperformed in Toulon a couple of years back), but Kane has only a couple of inches of Cauley but built like a completely different animal.
Cauley drew comparisons to Teddy Sheringham early on, I don't know whether that's still there but I don't think he's ever been allowed the opportunity to play in a role and in a partnership that suits his abilities.
Cauley is popular amongst the players and most people on here want to see him succeed. I have seen him play for the last 3 years, admittedly off and on, as you say he rarely gets regular time or with a regular strike partner, but he has yet to take his opportunity and grab it by the throat. This is the 4th manager to have seen him in U18, U21, PL2 and first team plus the Academy coaches and no one has yet gambled on him, other than cup games when to be honest he has not been able to take his opportunity to impress.
I think the best for him is to step down a league, play week in week out and show Joka and everyone else what he can do with regular game time.
Cairney and Martin on their Live Q and A said Jozabed never smiles
Quote from: @jolslover on December 09, 2016, 05:17:27 PM
Cairney and Martin on their Live Q and A said Jozabed never smiles
Given that after His best season where he scored 10 goals in La Liga and earned a big money move to england , he's since done nothing even in the reserve squad of a Championship side. He shouldnt be smiling
Jozabed not in the u21 squad for the game tonight. First team squad tomorrow?
