We drop points at home to Barnsley, then 10 minutes after the final whistle Slavisa again allows his (understandable) frustrations to come to the fore with the assembled mass of journos and lets every man and his dog know how frustrated he is with our lack of transfer dealings, and that he wants the club to match his ambition,
This will only serve in igniting the frustrations of all of us , we've got 18 days left to make signings and at the same time 18 days left to keep Slavisa as our manager,
I'm disappointed that we haven't made any additions (yet) for the Barnsley game but I will be properly pi**ed off if we go in to the QPHa game without any reinforcements ,
Mike Rigg was blamed for the lack of activity in the summer window well he has gone now and yet here we are 13 days in and still no strikers despite having over 4 months to prepare,
Let's hope enough fate has been tempted with this post and at least one player is announced today (I won't hold my breath)
If not I predict it's going to be a very lively press conference late tomorrow afternoon.
After the game bazaab is back and ask the club to sack Jako and sign Warnock.
Blimey !
At least try and be a bit positive before the games even started !
We get this every window.
So, think of a player that you would like us to get. I assume he's got a good reputation. Probably a few clubs enquiring. Its a fair guess this player isn't a life-long Fulham fan.
For some reason, you expect him to say to his agent, "You know all those other clubs in the premiership and overseas enquiring about me? Well, forget them and get me signed up to Fulham immediately".
The only way this isn't going to happen is
A; He has no other clubs enquiring about him (and even then he may hold out for a better offer, I mean, why wouldn't you?)
B; He loves Slavisa and wants to play for him (this could happen)
C; He is a season ticket holder at Fulham and his hero's are Ivor, King Louis & Doug Rougvie.
The one thing I very much doubt it has anything to do with is the fact the club are lounging about smoking fags and are not too bothered about whether we sign anyone or not
things would not be the same without this type of rollercoaster and I suspect there about three all hurtling to the same brick wall. There have been a number of threads on our current situation but for me, not a conspiracy theorist by any means, the final whistle tomorrow will mean consistency is coming together and we have three points, inconsistency is back and we have forum meltdown and whatever the outcome,and as you say, SJ will say something aimed directly at his employers. The elephants in the boardroom I suspect will be the numbers brought in making no impact whatsoever and the actual track record thus far. Top two. Not a chance. Top six. Not likely. Stability. Good plan for this season.
What we needed for more than stability was so blinking obvious and the FA cup interruptions make early introductions a tad easier to bed in. As you say a lively press conference beckons.
SJ has been there and done that and as far as I'm aware, in recent times, there has been no indication of the club not backing him.
He knows perfectly well how the transfer window works and that early deals are usually done for players that a club wants out or to clubs who are prepared to pay too much.
If as is likely we are looking for a "top class" loan striker it is likely to be on loan because it would take up too much of our FFP limit to pay both wages and a fee in the current window.
The latest rumor is Grabban from Bournemouth - if that is the case Eddie Howe has been reported as willing to let him go BUT only at the end of the window when he knows the fate of his other strikers who are rumored to interest richer clubs.
I can see the point because if the club did accept an offer for one of the strikers EH has someone to fall back on - if not Grabban is still going to be an attractive proposition to a championship club that needs some extra fire power at the end of the window.
I agree with OP and I too will be negative before a ball has been kicked v Barnsley.
I mean why haven't we spent 100 million on 6 new players that will get us promoted?
I mean every other club in this division has spent millions and signed loads of players themselves in this window.
I mean are there any players left out there to buy even?
This is stressing me out no end, I can't eat or sleep or do anything at the moment .
:doh:
Quote from: BedsFFC on January 13, 2017, 09:27:43 AM
We get this every window.
So, think of a player that you would like us to get. I assume he's got a good reputation. Probably a few clubs enquiring. Its a fair guess this player isn't a life-long Fulham fan.
For some reason, you expect him to say to his agent, "You know all those other clubs in the premiership and overseas enquiring about me? Well, forget them and get me signed up to Fulham immediately".
The only way this isn't going to happen is
A; He has no other clubs enquiring about him (and even then he may hold out for a better offer, I mean, why wouldn't you?)
B; He loves Slavisa and wants to play for him (this could happen)
C; He is a season ticket holder at Fulham and his hero's are Ivor, King Louis & Doug Rougvie.
The one thing I very much doubt it has anything to do with is the fact the club are lounging about smoking fags and are not too bothered about whether we sign anyone or not
And I thought it was only me that thought like this!
I agree with OP
if the management of the club were serious about gaining promotion then we would have taken the lead in bringing in players. If our management were even slightly capable the players Joca wants would be on their way and ready for this next game.
I personally came to the conclsion ages ago that the senior management at fulham is not fit for purpose and is holding us back. We have a brilliant manager and nearly a brilliant team, we are so close, that to sl;eep walk through this transfer window leaving any business to the last moment is suicidal.
I caanot imagine how some posters seem to be appologising for the lack of activity.
We talk about having 4 months to prepare and scout a new striker but one major probably unforeseen situation has developed. That is our no1 and main striker has, totally out of the blue gone on strike.
Martin is on a season long loan with a clause that allows Fulham to purchase him in January or at the end of the season.
None of us know all the facts however if it was always the plan for us to buy him, we would have targeted a backup striker. Someone maybe like a Boogle or someone who was for the future and happy to be Martins backup. That has now changed, it means we need a first team starter and a backup guy. My understanding is that it takes ages to set up a fairly simple deal, getting all the parties to agree, agreeing the finances and that assuming someone is available and within your financial limit.
Chris Martin, Steve the brolly McClaren, and Derby have shafted us good a proper.
With the exception of a few clubs the buying club have so little power and sway with transfers, especially in January. We may have identified a whole load of players who we want to bring in and the club may be making moves to bring those players in, but if the selling club or the player think they can get more elsewhere then we have to wait. Hell, if the selling club just wanna be dicks about it and wait until the very end of the window they can do and we can't force their hand.
Quote from: nose on January 13, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
I agree with OP
if the management of the club were serious about gaining promotion then we would have taken the lead in bringing in players. If our management were even slightly capable the players Joca wants would be on their way and ready for this next game.
I personally came to the conclsion ages ago that the senior management at fulham is not fit for purpose and is holding us back. We have a brilliant manager and nearly a brilliant team, we are so close, that to sl;eep walk through this transfer window leaving any business to the last moment is suicidal.
I caanot imagine how some posters seem to be appologising for the lack of activity.
Maybe some of us posters understand how transferred work and they are not as straight forward as you seem to think.
We get this every window, you'd think some fans would of woken up to the fact now that things don't happen over night.
If we want average players that other clubs don't want, or want to pay over the top prices, then I'm surprised we haven't made signings.
BUT if we want to get better players than we've got( why else would you want to buy a player if he won't improve the team) then we have to play the game every other team are playing .
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on January 13, 2017, 11:04:24 AM
With the exception of a few clubs the buying club have so little power and sway with transfers, especially in January. We may have identified a whole load of players who we want to bring in and the club may be making moves to bring those players in, but if the selling club or the player think they can get more elsewhere then we have to wait. Hell, if the selling club just wanna be dicks about it and wait until the very end of the window they can do and we can't force their hand.
As an example I give you the Brighton and Dunk situation from last season. Dunk would have been a perfect signing and we knew it. Brighton strung us along for so long we ended up with sub standard substitutes.
Quote from: FulhamStu on January 13, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
As an example I give you the Brighton and Dunk situation from last season. Dunk would have been a perfect signing and we knew it. Brighton strung us along for so long we ended up with sub standard substitutes.
Yup, and what a lot of our fans want us to do with Martin - keep him until the very end of the window when we'll have a replacement and he'll have missed 4/5 games for Derby and then send him back. He seemingly wants to go, they seemingly want him yet we as the current (loan) contract holders can just wait and wait and wait.
Quote from: nose on January 13, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
I agree with OP
if the management of the club were serious about gaining promotion then we would have taken the lead in bringing in players. If our management were even slightly capable the players Joca wants would be on their way and ready for this next game.
I personally came to the conclsion ages ago that the senior management at fulham is not fit for purpose and is holding us back. We have a brilliant manager and nearly a brilliant team, we are so close, that to sl;eep walk through this transfer window leaving any business to the last moment is suicidal.
I caanot imagine how some posters seem to be appologising for the lack of activity.
Mr Nose, we have absolutely no idea what activity has gone on identifying available players, and yet the first thing fans do is to accuse the club of doing nothing. It is not as simple as it appears
1. Identify suitable players
2. Enquiry if player available
3. Offer fee
4. Negotiate with player
5. The most important bit Does the player want to come here.
If player says no then the whole process has to start again with another player.
Quote from: nose on January 13, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
I agree with OP
if the management of the club were serious about gaining promotion then we would have taken the lead in bringing in players. If our management were even slightly capable the players Joca wants would be on their way and ready for this next game.
I personally came to the conclsion ages ago that the senior management at fulham is not fit for purpose and is holding us back. We have a brilliant manager and nearly a brilliant team, we are so close, that to sl;eep walk through this transfer window leaving any business to the last moment is suicidal.
I caanot imagine how some posters seem to be appologising for the lack of activity.
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Quote from: FulhamStu on January 13, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on January 13, 2017, 11:04:24 AM
With the exception of a few clubs the buying club have so little power and sway with transfers, especially in January. We may have identified a whole load of players who we want to bring in and the club may be making moves to bring those players in, but if the selling club or the player think they can get more elsewhere then we have to wait. Hell, if the selling club just wanna be dicks about it and wait until the very end of the window they can do and we can't force their hand.
As an example I give you the Brighton and Dunk situation from last season. Dunk would have been a perfect signing and we knew it. Brighton strung us along for so long we ended up with sub standard substitutes.
We had the discussion on Dunk at the time...do you pay whatever for him?
personally I would not have paid more than 5M for him, but at the time Brighton were maybe quoting 6 plus. But Would he have been worth that? Is ok to say yea but like it or not we have a budget and players have their worth. keep paying over the odds on players just because WE NEED THEM and you end up with a championship team in the region of 50/60M.
take Cairney, good player for us but not perfect. Fans and possibly club quoting 15/20M which as good as he may be is stupid money.
I hear I have been libelled in the above thread
For the record I think SJ is brilliant but not infallible
I think we will get to playoffs
I think the board's overall policy in going for promotion is half hearted
Play Smith tomorrow as Humphreys will be out of his depth against a team like Barnsley
I loathe Warnock
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on January 13, 2017, 09:26:24 AM
Blimey !
At least try and be a bit positive before the games even started !
+1
Quote from: Statto on January 13, 2017, 08:30:03 AM
By whom was Rigg blamed in the summer? And on what basis?
Jokanovic very explicitly blamed Kline.
I take it your reply is a poor attempt at a joke, am I right ?
I've stated my concern for after the match if we drop points tomorrow afternoon, it's not being negative,
If we lose or draw tomorrow I will be absolutely gob smacked if Jokanovic doesn't tee off in the press conference ,
As for people saying that Martin has made all the difference well that's just a load of cobblers , we've known since August that we need strikers (even with Martin) we are now half way through the window and winnable games coming thick and fast and still not even a hint of a signing,
I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow but I suspect that the real action could be away from the pitch at around 5pm.
Quote from: nose on January 13, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
I agree with OP
if the management of the club were serious about gaining promotion then we would have taken the lead in bringing in players. If our management were even slightly capable the players Joca wants would be on their way and ready for this next game.
I personally came to the conclsion ages ago that the senior management at fulham is not fit for purpose and is holding us back. We have a brilliant manager and nearly a brilliant team, we are so close, that to sl;eep walk through this transfer window leaving any business to the last moment is suicidal.
I caanot imagine how some posters seem to be appologising for the lack of activity.
It is strange that a succession of experienced managers and that two multi-millionaire owners with all their experience of senior executives in their other businesses have tolerated the senior management despite regular contact and yet we have posters who can easily see that our senior management is not fit for purpose.
It is crystal clear that we need a new striker and a new central defender but it seems that we will have to wait until the last week of the window for any signs of movement, we really should have got used to this silly situation by now, we have seen it often enough before.
Also we must wait to the end of the window to be sure that we have retained Cairney , reports are that Newcastle are interested and it is possible that someone could come in at the last moment with a ridiculous offer that we cannot refuse.
January is the worst part of the season for us.
May I call for a truce in hostilities, until Feb 1st. Lets not all fall out over each other's opinions for the moment.
Let's look at it realistically no matter what your feelings are about the Chairman and his merry men.
I personally am not convinced yet with Khan and the individuals he has in place behind the scenes, and activity to me seems at times to be half hearted and there is no transparency, at the very least I do not have much faith or confidence in an absent chairman who shows little interest and has his son and his sons best mate pulling the strings for him, in a sport none of them clearly have very little experience or genuine interest, because if they have, then they have a funny way of showing it.
But that's me thinking allowed, and it's neither here nor there what I think, or anyone else on here, we are onlookers, we cannot sign the players we want. The good thing is that generally we all agree that we have a very good manager, that's a good start.
Also we are entitled to our opinions and concerns whether we agree or disagree.
However. This is the reality, I shall repeat myself, this is the reality, whether we like it or not, or whichever way you feel. If as suspected, most if not all of the transfer activity if any, is to take place in the last few days of the window. Then Jok and the team have to make sure that we pick up as near to maximum points as possible in the matches between now and then which include Barnsley, QPR, Reading, all winbable matches but all tough ones also, not forgetting the Hull FA Cup match.
So let's prepare ourselves to obtain as many points as possible, 9 out of 9 would be very pleasant, and hope that by the time we play Burton Albion, we will have further additions to the team to launch into the second half of the season with a Dam good chance of making the play offs.
If at the end of the window certain plans do not become reality and the Manager has not been supported by the club for one reason or another, and that consistency in positive results is not forthcoming. Then you have my permission to recommence hostilities, whether it's blowing raspberries, or throwing paper darts, or sticking pins in effigies of each other or me. But let's wait together in no mans land in an orderly fashion like good Genitalmen. ⚽
Quote from: filham on January 13, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
It is crystal clear that we need a new striker and a new central defender but it seems that we will have to wait until the last week of the window for any signs of movement, we really should have got used to this silly situation by now, we have seen it often enough before.
Also we must wait to the end of the window to be sure that we have retained Cairney , reports are that Newcastle are interested and it is possible that someone could come in at the last moment with a ridiculous offer that we cannot refuse.
January is the worst part of the season for us.
We have a new striker !
At the press conference - SJ announced that Chris Martin had come out of retirement and would be playing for us tomorrow
Quote from: Roberty on January 13, 2017, 02:13:12 PM
Quote from: filham on January 13, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
It is crystal clear that we need a new striker and a new central defender but it seems that we will have to wait until the last week of the window for any signs of movement, we really should have got used to this silly situation by now, we have seen it often enough before.
Also we must wait to the end of the window to be sure that we have retained Cairney , reports are that Newcastle are interested and it is possible that someone could come in at the last moment with a ridiculous offer that we cannot refuse.
January is the worst part of the season for us.
We have a new striker !
At the press conference - SJ announced that Chris Martin had come out of retirement and would be playing for us tomorrow
I am anxiously waiting to hear the date of his Testimonial, as we need to ensure and guarantee that he is financially secure in his retirement, and able to continue to live the comfortable and quality of life he has become accustomed to.
Quote from: MJG on January 13, 2017, 12:13:23 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on January 13, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on January 13, 2017, 11:04:24 AM
With the exception of a few clubs the buying club have so little power and sway with transfers, especially in January. We may have identified a whole load of players who we want to bring in and the club may be making moves to bring those players in, but if the selling club or the player think they can get more elsewhere then we have to wait. Hell, if the selling club just wanna be dicks about it and wait until the very end of the window they can do and we can't force their hand.
As an example I give you the Brighton and Dunk situation from last season. Dunk would have been a perfect signing and we knew it. Brighton strung us along for so long we ended up with sub standard substitutes.
We had the discussion on Dunk at the time...do you pay whatever for him?
personally I would not have paid more than 5M for him, but at the time Brighton were maybe quoting 6 plus. But Would he have been worth that? Is ok to say yea but like it or not we have a budget and players have their worth. keep paying over the odds on players just because WE NEED THEM and you end up with a championship team in the region of 50/60M.
take Cairney, good player for us but not perfect. Fans and possibly club quoting 15/20M which as good as he may be is stupid money.
I agreed at the time and my view was we spent too long chasing Dunk. For me however in hindsite, which we of course don't have, Dunk would be the perfect partner for Kalas and with Martin now back possibly Dunk would have been the final piece in the jigsaw, so yes we should have spent £8 to £10M on Dunk if that what it took and not signed Jozabed or Kebano.
Sometimes you have to ignore what a player is worth on the open market, and pay what that player is worth to Fulham, and signing Dunk for the asking price, would eventually pay for itself I would have thought. Because Dunk was one player that would have made a difference. To accumulate you have to speculate.
As you say we found money down the back of the settee and spent it on Jozabed and Kabano, and the question is why. ?
