After the good performances of Cyriac and Kebano it will be interesting to discuss what teams people would go with for the Forest game.
Assuming Kalas is still injured and Fredericks suspended I would go with
Button, Odoi Madl Ream Malone, Mcdonald Johansen Cairney, Aluko Cyriac Ayite.
Bet no one is going to select Martin.
Quote from: filham on February 12, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
Bet no one is going to select Martin.
Except Slavisa Jokanovic. I don't think he'll put him on the bench just yet.
Quote from: EastEndWhite on February 12, 2017, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: filham on February 12, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
Bet no one is going to select Martin.
Except Slavisa Jokanovic. I don't think he'll put him on the bench just yet.
Why is that, it won't carry his weight or ego?
If neither Ross nor Martin get selected they could hold a slimming competition on the bench.
Martin will start,and I'm having a bet because of the Forest,Derby connection he scores..
What's wrong with Kalas,Hamstring again?
Take out Malone, Ream and Martin,
In: Sessegnon, Sigurdsson, Cyriac.
Whoever Joka wants is fine with me
From one of their boards, I predict a lot of well oiled Forest fans:
I run a sports bar on Fulham Road ( The Slug - NOT a slug and Lettuce )
Its only a 8-10 minute walk from the ground and i would like to offer Forest fans pre-match drinks for £1.95 on Tuesday night We open from 11am.
Drinks will include pints :
Pints of Carlsberg
Pints of Strongbow
Pints of Fosters
Bottles of Heineken
Vodka with a mixer.
You get off the tube at Fulham Broadway and turn right.
490 Fulham Road.
Much better than the £4.50 - £5 you will be charged at other bars and bars directly next to the ground will not let away fans in.
Greg
Button
Odoi Kalas Ream Sessegnon
Cairney McDonald Johansen
Aluko Cyriac Piazon
Bettinelli, Sigurdsson, Malone, Petsos, Kebano, Ayite, Martin
many falling into the "he's out the team so is a better player than we remember he was" syndrome with regards Sigurdsson
Quote from: MJG on February 13, 2017, 07:42:34 AM
many falling into the "he's out the team so is a better player than we remember he was" syndrome with regards Sigurdsson
Possibly, although with Kalas injured he really only needs to be better at defending than Tim Ream to feature, which isn't a high bar based on Saturday. To avoid Sigurdsson darkening our doors perhaps Jokanovic may want to give Kevin McDonald a run out at centre half and give Petsos a try in the middle.
Chris Martin should have plenty of energy left. But Forest are fairly porous and a good opportunity for Cyriac to get off the mark so I'd hope we get to see him. Seemed keen to make runs and if his teammates weren't picking them on Saturday, well that can be excused. They won't get more familiar unless he's on the pitch.
Quote from: Carborundum on February 13, 2017, 08:33:14 AM
Quote from: MJG on February 13, 2017, 07:42:34 AM
many falling into the "he's out the team so is a better player than we remember he was" syndrome with regards Sigurdsson
Possibly, although with Kalas injured he really only needs to be better at defending than Tim Ream to feature, which isn't a high bar based on Saturday. To avoid Sigurdsson darkening our doors perhaps Jokanovic may want to give Kevin McDonald a run out at centre half and give Petsos a try in the middle.
Chris Martin should have plenty of energy left. But Forest are fairly porous and a good opportunity for Cyriac to get off the mark so I'd hope we get to see him. Seemed keen to make runs and if his teammates weren't picking them on Saturday, well that can be excused. They won't get more familiar unless he's on the pitch.
Ream did have a mad 10 minutes in the first half I'll grant you that. But Madl was he much better on Saturday?
Yes. He didn't have a mad ten minutes for starters. There's a reason Omar Bogle chose to target Ream.
They all make mistakes from time to time, even Kalas, but to my mind Madl has a higher level of defensive skill. He reads the attacking play better.
Quote from: Carborundum on February 13, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
Yes. He didn't have a mad ten minutes for starters. There's a reason Omar Bogle chose to target Ream.
They all make mistakes from time to time, even Kalas, but to my mind Madl has a higher level of defensive skill. He reads the attacking play better.
We all know their faults and you can see that Ream in in the team for me on two counts. left footed and also better footballer with the ball.
This I'm sure is outweighing hes weakness at heading and dealing with the bigger type player.
Madl on the left for me is very poor, even with Kalas playing.
Button
Odoi - Sigurdsson - Ream/Madl - Sessegnon
Cairney - McDonald - Johansen
Aluko - Ayité - Kebano
While they're both decent defenders, I don't like Madl and Ream as a partnership as the pair don't have not enough power and determination. So if Kalas is out Sigurdsson has to start IMHO.
I'd also start with Ayité as a makeshift striker to get Kebano in the lineup. If that doesn't work we have Martin and Cyriac as options on the bench.
Button
Odoi. McDonald. Madl. Sess.
Kebano. Johansen Cairney. Aluko.
Ayite
Cyriac
Won't happen but we don't make enough chances and need to compensate for not having a proper striker. Against Wigan we scored in injury time because we had players in the box. Far too often there's maybe one or two and the final ball is never right. We need to play the law of percentages, more shots, more people in the box and hopefully more goals.
Our best chance of scoring seems to be the first Wigan goal. Get those lads running at defenders and squaring for tap ins.
WHat I would pick is
Button
Odoi (assume Fred is still out)
Siggurdson (assuming Kalas isnt fit)
Ream
Malone
McDonal
Johansen
Cairney
ALuko
Kebano
Ayite
If Kalas is fit then Siggurdson to the bench
What I expect to play will be
Button
Odoi
Siggurdson
Ream
Malone
McDonald
Johansen
Cairney
Aluko
Martin
Ayite
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on February 13, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
Button
Odoi. McDonald. Madl. Sess.
Kebano. Johansen Cairney. Aluko.
Ayite
Cyriac
Won't happen but we don't make enough chances and need to compensate for not having a proper striker. Against Wigan we scored in injury time because we had players in the box. Far too often there's maybe one or two and the final ball is never right. We need to play the law of percentages, more shots, more people in the box and hopefully more goals.
Our best chance of scoring seems to be the first Wigan goal. Get those lads running at defenders and squaring for tap ins.
Nope would not go back to 4411 and also I think you block Sess from doing what he does best, running into space by playing like that.
Stick with the 433/4123/41221 but not two banks of 4 please.
Quote from: MJG on February 13, 2017, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on February 13, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
Button
Odoi. McDonald. Madl. Sess.
Kebano. Johansen Cairney. Aluko.
Ayite
Cyriac
Won't happen but we don't make enough chances and need to compensate for not having a proper striker. Against Wigan we scored in injury time because we had players in the box. Far too often there's maybe one or two and the final ball is never right. We need to play the law of percentages, more shots, more people in the box and hopefully more goals.
Our best chance of scoring seems to be the first Wigan goal. Get those lads running at defenders and squaring for tap ins.
Nope would not go back to 4411 and also I think you block Sess from doing what he does best, running into space by playing like that.
Stick with the 433/4123/41221 but not two banks of 4 please.
It's what I'd do. Jokanoviv will play Ream and the striker who doesn't want to be here. No need to panic about the two banks of four just yet lol.
IMO, need a DM for. The way we are playing, someither mcdonald or petos. will allow the FBs to go forward.m
Quote from: filham on February 12, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
Bet no one is going to select Martin.
I would, as it gives us more balance, and if Jokanovic believes he is trying his best, then he will know better than any of us.
For those that think Saturday is some kind of evidence that he isn't, then I guess they aren't very familiar with his usual playing style. Ask Derby fans - he'll still score and link up though, even if he isn't charging round then pitch trying to prove his loyalty to the cause.
Quote from: MJG on February 13, 2017, 07:42:34 AM
many falling into the "he's out the team so is a better player than we remember he was" syndrome with regards Sigurdsson
This is also the case with Bettenelli I feel. Can't believe that people want him in ahead of Button, especially after Saturday.
I have too vivid a memory of his shortcomings towards (especially) the end of the 2014/15 season, and unless he has dramatically improved on his confidence when the ball comes into a crowded box then I would prefer Button and his kitten inducing ball play.
Quote from: MJG on February 13, 2017, 09:54:05 AM
We all know their faults and you can see that Ream in in the team for me on two counts. left footed and also better footballer with the ball.
The bold I can't leave without comment. The popular misconception of Ream being good with the ball at his feet has been irking me for weeks. I guess it's a desperate try to explain why he is a regular for us. The only thing that Ream has going for him is that he's left-footed. He is bad with the ball at his feet. Needs an eternity in footballing terms to control the ball and has NEVER played an opening forward pass. All he does is playing short passes to either McDonald or Malone. I know that's the style we play, but Madl and to some extend Kalas always look for open attacking players before taking the short pass, which has often resulted into goals. To use the pace of our attacking players and combat deep-sitting teams we must play faster out of the back AT LEAST when there's opportunity to do so.
But I don't even want to get into whether Ream can play or not. His defending is abysmal. Way too passive and bad technique overall. Just look at our last 2 games. You can look back even further to confirm, but the last 2 games are still in my mind.
Birmingham. Please watch the video from the beginning until the 1:10 mark and focus solely on Ream, nobody else. Bad defending technique over and over and over again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Or4C9RCII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Or4C9RCII)
Against Wigan please watch at the 0:18 and 0:55 mark. Ream should invite Button to dinner or at least wash his car. Bad decision making and technique again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDI9VGwY88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDI9VGwY88)
Alone in those 2 games Ream probably had the same number of bad mistakes that Kalas and Madl had all season combined. It's no secret I prefer Madl over Ream. Obviously I'm rooting for Ream to succeed if he plays, he just isn't good enough for our top 6 aspirations.
Button
Odoi - Sigg - Ream - Malone
Cairney - McDonald - Johansen
Aluko - Martin - Ayite.
Same as Wigan. Forest aren't as good defensively as Wigan, so I think Martin will play better. Forest are apparently without their 2 best centre backs in Mills and Mancienne, so we could fare better. Their captain and RB, Lichaj, is also suspended, so the two wingers could again have a field day. I'd keep Kebano and Cyriac on the warmer though in case Martin fails to turn up again.
Quote from: HeinekenFFC on February 13, 2017, 06:55:41 PM
Button
Odoi - Sigg - Ream - Malone
Cairney - McDonald - Johansen
Aluko - Martin - Ayite.
Same as Wigan. Forest aren't as good defensively as Wigan, so I think Martin will play better. Forest are apparently without their 2 best centre backs in Mills and Mancienne, so we could fare better. Their captain and RB, Lichaj, is also suspended, so the two wingers could again have a field day. I'd keep Kebano and Cyriac on the warmer though in case Martin fails to turn up again.
Agree with all that, except Madl played against Wigan, and I would start him again against Forest 065.gif
People go on about Ream on the ball as if Madl is terrible with the ball at his feet. I don't think Ream is as good on the ball as people make out and more importantly not as good as he thinks he is.
By being good on the ball you need to make the right decision. Ream far too often tries things that are unnecessary as if to justify why he's selected. He saw Button vacate his goal to make an angle for a pass against Wigan and instead tried to turn Bogle in his own 6 yard box. That is stupidity and nothing else when a simple pass is on. Defensively he is very vulnerable, easy to shrug off the ball and very slow on the ball. He never looks long and plays a Beckhamesque type pass, yet Madl does. So does Kalas.
IMO Reams capabilities have been exaggerated because it's all he has. He's a terrible defender and if he wasn't left footed he'd be in the under 23s. Our best performance as a centre back pairing was Newcastle in the first game when Madl played. I appreciate Madl has made mistakes but he is more consistent and a better player & defender than Ream.
Quote from: Madman Maddle on February 13, 2017, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: MJG on February 13, 2017, 09:54:05 AM
We all know their faults and you can see that Ream in in the team for me on two counts. left footed and also better footballer with the ball.
The bold I can't leave without comment. The popular misconception of Ream being good with the ball at his feet has been irking me for weeks. I guess it's a desperate try to explain why he is a regular for us. The only thing that Ream has going for him is that he's left-footed. He is bad with the ball at his feet. Needs an eternity in footballing terms to control the ball and has NEVER played an opening forward pass. All he does is playing short passes to either McDonald or Malone. I know that's the style we play, but Madl and to some extend Kalas always look for open attacking players before taking the short pass, which has often resulted into goals. To use the pace of our attacking players and combat deep-sitting teams we must play faster out of the back AT LEAST when there's opportunity to do so.
But I don't even want to get into whether Ream can play or not. His defending is abysmal. Way too passive and bad technique overall. Just look at our last 2 games. You can look back even further to confirm, but the last 2 games are still in my mind.
Birmingham. Please watch the video from the beginning until the 1:10 mark and focus solely on Ream, nobody else. Bad defending technique over and over and over again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Or4C9RCII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Or4C9RCII)
Against Wigan please watch at the 0:18 and 0:55 mark. Ream should invite Button to dinner or at least wash his car. Bad decision making and technique again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDI9VGwY88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDI9VGwY88)
Alone in those 2 games Ream probably had the same number of bad mistakes that Kalas and Madl had all season combined. It's no secret I prefer Madl over Ream. Obviously I'm rooting for Ream to succeed if he plays, he just isn't good enough for our top 6 aspirations.
100 percent agree. Watch his decision making in those videos. It's not the decision making of a good football brain.
I'll also point out that if he plays I want him to play well. But I also want the best for Fulham and before a ball is kicked it's Madl all day long for me too.
I agree. I can't stand Ream personally as he's way too calamitous and makes so many mistakes leading to goals. But given how Slav seems to constantly keep playing him despite the fact that I think Sigg and Madl are much better, it's pretty much a sure thing now that I have to always put him in the XI.
Bettinelli
Odoi - Madl - Ream - Malone
Cairney - McDonald - Johansen
Aluko - Martin - Ayité
Out of all those players everybody has picked which one deserves to be captain because I think that is what we are lacking at the moment.
Stockdale;
Volz, Hughes, Hangeland, Salcido;
Davies, Murphy, Etuhu, Duff;
Dempsey;
Zamora
Quote from: Yamus on February 14, 2017, 03:19:01 AM
Out of all those players everybody has picked which one deserves to be captain because I think that is what we are lacking at the moment.
Johansen looks like he would settle well in that role.
Quote from: Carborundum on February 14, 2017, 09:33:17 AM
Quote from: Yamus on February 14, 2017, 03:19:01 AM
Out of all those players everybody has picked which one deserves to be captain because I think that is what we are lacking at the moment.
Johansen looks like he would settle well in that role.
I would maybe say odoi, seems to be very passionate about wanting to play
Quote from: SuperFulham323 on February 14, 2017, 10:01:26 AM
Quote from: Carborundum on February 14, 2017, 09:33:17 AM
Quote from: Yamus on February 14, 2017, 03:19:01 AM
Out of all those players everybody has picked which one deserves to be captain because I think that is what we are lacking at the moment.
Johansen looks like he would settle well in that role.
I would maybe say odoi, seems to be very passionate about wanting to play
WHoever is captain has to be one of the first choice players, so Odoi would be out he roates with Fred a lot, although I get the impression fred is first choice. Odoi does have passion though.
Cairney isnt doing badly, he justisnt a shouter and a screamer, it can come across as negative and moaning. Some said Ross was a negative effect as captain as thats what he did , so it is a case of what do you want and who is the best at it. Maybe Tom leads by example in the Beckham mould, who knows. They should al lbe captains when they play, helping and speaking to everyone
Bettinelli
Odoi Madl Ream Malone
Johanson Cairney McDonald
Ayite Martin Kebano
The "Tuesdays Fulham News" thread contains a couple of interesting remarks from Gary Brazil.
He's basically setting out his stall that Fulham are going to have lots of the ball, Forest will sit deep and counter. That's a pointless thing to say...unless the real plan is to rip into us from the kick off and give it a right good go. That's what I'm expecting them to do. That's what I'd expect McCormack to recommend they do. Time will tell.
Brazil also refers to Fulham splitting their centre backs to make the play. He's right, but I have never really thought about it that way before. When I think back to the H&H Thames barrier, surely they hardly ever split and even if the did Etuhu was there or thereabouts.. Suspect this splitting up makes the job of defending as a centre back significantly harder. My respect for Kalas' ability has risen.
There's also a photo of a skinny guy who looks a bit like Ross McCormack who even has the audacity to hold up Ross' shirt. I'm hoping he's done a Berba and has starved his way to a six pack as a result of recent criticism. A fighting fit and high energy McCormack is the last thing we need!
Quote from: @jolslover on February 12, 2017, 11:06:35 AM
After the good performances of Cyriac and Kebano it will be interesting to discuss what teams people would go with for the Forest game.
Assuming Kalas is still injured and Fredericks suspended I would go with
Button, Odoi Madl Ream Malone, Mcdonald Johansen Cairney, Aluko Cyriac Ayite.
I think most supporters would go with that but I suspect Martin will start again and cyriac will start against spurs
What's the officiall team news fulhamben, you seem to be rather late today announcing the starting line up and replacements. As normally you would have announced it by now. Haven't you arrived in the dressing room yet.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2017, 04:44:00 PM
What's the officiall team news fulhamben, you seem to be rather late today announcing the starting line up and replacements. As normally you would have announced it by now. Haven't you arrived in the dressing room yet.
been at the science museum with my kids and nieces. No man should have to take 4 kids under 9 their on his own, no man. Plus working tonight so someone else will have to post it.
Quote from: fulhamben on February 14, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2017, 04:44:00 PM
What's the officiall team news fulhamben, you seem to be rather late today announcing the starting line up and replacements. As normally you would have announced it by now. Haven't you arrived in the dressing room yet.
been at the science museum with my kids and nieces. No man should have to take 4 kids under 9 their on his own, no man. Plus working tonight so someone else will have to post it.
Well you did very well today with all the children, good man, that can be exhausting just keeping an eye on them.
Nevertheless, I shall minute your apologies for absence, and I shall just have to ask Jok when I meet him in the dressing room later.
