The final 23 for the UEFA u21 finals in Poland has been announced.
From an original group of 28, Cauley Woodrow is included in the final squad.
Well done, son.
Interesting that Izzy Brown and Pat Roberts were among those left out.
Quote from: cmg on June 05, 2017, 01:05:19 PM
The final 23 for the UEFA u21 finals in Poland has been announced.
From an original group of 28, Cauley Woodrow is included in the final squad.
Well done, son.
Interesting that Izzy Brown and Pat Roberts were among those left out.
you never really know why certain players do not make the cut for these things. IMO Izzy brown is a good player but when I have actually seen him for extended periods, against us or on TV, I sometimes wonder if he flatters to decieve. roberts, well we all know how talented he is but maybe he isn't 100% fit.
Roberts poulled out injured apparently
3 including izzy and Roberts have pulled out injured.
Cauley being named as one of the best strikers in England at his age group. Are they seeing something we aren't?
FairPlay to Cauley tho, hope he gets games and confidence!
That should put a few more pounds on his value this summer if someone wants to buy him!
Quote from: Newry FFC on June 05, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
3 including izzy and Roberts have pulled out injured.
Cauley being named as one of the best strikers in England at his age group. Are they seeing something we aren't?
FairPlay to Cauley tho, hope he gets games and confidence!
Sometimes players get the breaks at other clubs
Quote from: alfie on June 05, 2017, 05:11:51 PM
Quote from: Newry FFC on June 05, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
3 including izzy and Roberts have pulled out injured.
Cauley being named as one of the best strikers in England at his age group. Are they seeing something we aren't?
FairPlay to Cauley tho, hope he gets games and confidence!
Sometimes players get the breaks at other clubs
That'S true malcolm macdonald and rodney marsh for instance
Quote from: Newry FFC on June 05, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
3 including izzy and Roberts have pulled out injured.
Cauley being named as one of the best strikers in England at his age group. Are they seeing something we aren't?
FairPlay to Cauley tho, hope he gets games and confidence!
It's not like this is anything new:
Under 17 - 3 caps - 1 goal
Under 20 - 5 caps - 3 goals
Under 21 - 8 caps - 3 goals
I believe all but one of those goals was when he was on our payroll.
Quote from: HatterDon on June 05, 2017, 10:06:09 PM
Quote from: Newry FFC on June 05, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
3 including izzy and Roberts have pulled out injured.
Cauley being named as one of the best strikers in England at his age group. Are they seeing something we aren't?
FairPlay to Cauley tho, hope he gets games and confidence!
It's not like this is anything new:
Under 17 - 3 caps - 1 goal
Under 20 - 5 caps - 3 goals
Under 21 - 8 caps - 3 goals
I believe all but one of those goals was when he was on our payroll.
I've always been a fan of Cauley's and still believe he has the ability to do a job in the premier league. Some people disagree, but I think he has all the basics which work in his favour regardless of league, like his heading ability, ability to hold up play and physicality, and his ability to run lines.
He may not be the most prolific striker in the world, but he has always known where the goal is and has always produced the goods to the point he can't be written off by defenders as not posing a threat.
I also remember Bobby Zamora and even Dempsey being very poor and off the pace for us when they first started out at Fulham and then thing suddenly clicked through determination and hard work... I don't see Cauley in a dissimilar way... I think he has a work ethic and has similar potential but needs to work a bit harder and one day it'll click and he'll be great for us or whoever he ends up playing for. Full faith in his ability.
Quote from: General on June 06, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on June 05, 2017, 10:06:09 PM
Quote from: Newry FFC on June 05, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
3 including izzy and Roberts have pulled out injured.
Cauley being named as one of the best strikers in England at his age group. Are they seeing something we aren't?
FairPlay to Cauley tho, hope he gets games and confidence!
It's not like this is anything new:
Under 17 - 3 caps - 1 goal
Under 20 - 5 caps - 3 goals
Under 21 - 8 caps - 3 goals
I believe all but one of those goals was when he was on our payroll.
I've always been a fan of Cauley's and still believe he has the ability to do a job in the premier league. Some people disagree, but I think he has all the basics which work in his favour regardless of league, like his heading ability, ability to hold up play and physicality, and his ability to run lines.
He may not be the most prolific striker in the world, but he has always known where the goal is and has always produced the goods to the point he can't be written off by defenders as not posing a threat.
I also remember Bobby Zamora and even Dempsey being very poor and off the pace for us when they first started out at Fulham and then thing suddenly clicked through determination and hard work... I don't see Cauley in a dissimilar way... I think he has a work ethic and has similar potential but needs to work a bit harder and one day it'll click and he'll be great for us or whoever he ends up playing for. Full faith in his ability.
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Quote from: General on June 06, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on June 05, 2017, 10:06:09 PM
Quote from: Newry FFC on June 05, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
3 including izzy and Roberts have pulled out injured.
Cauley being named as one of the best strikers in England at his age group. Are they seeing something we aren't?
FairPlay to Cauley tho, hope he gets games and confidence!
It's not like this is anything new:
Under 17 - 3 caps - 1 goal
Under 20 - 5 caps - 3 goals
Under 21 - 8 caps - 3 goals
I believe all but one of those goals was when he was on our payroll.
I've always been a fan of Cauley's and still believe he has the ability to do a job in the premier league. Some people disagree, but I think he has all the basics which work in his favour regardless of league, like his heading ability, ability to hold up play and physicality, and his ability to run lines.
He may not be the most prolific striker in the world, but he has always known where the goal is and has always produced the goods to the point he can't be written off by defenders as not posing a threat.
I also remember Bobby Zamora and even Dempsey being very poor and off the pace for us when they first started out at Fulham and then thing suddenly clicked through determination and hard work... I don't see Cauley in a dissimilar way... I think he has a work ethic and has similar potential but needs to work a bit harder and one day it'll click and he'll be great for us or whoever he ends up playing for. Full faith in his ability.
I think your reight General, and I am not his biggest fan, what he lacks though is consitency. The way we play doesnt nescesarily mean we need a prolific scorer, so that should not be held agiansthim, but he needs to up his consistency levels.
It could come down to a choice between George Williams and Cauley as to who we keep.
Can I ask a potentially silly question?
How can Cauley be playing for England Under 21s when he is 22? Is it like the premier league 2 where you are allowed a certain number of overage players?
Quote from: Robertprocter1 on June 06, 2017, 10:43:08 AM
Can I ask a potentially silly question?
How can Cauley be playing for England Under 21s when he is 22? Is it like the premier league 2 where you are allowed a certain number of overage players?
I think it there are rules around players ages during the qualification etc and when they turn 21.
Quote from: Robertprocter1 on June 06, 2017, 10:43:08 AM
Can I ask a potentially silly question?
How can Cauley be playing for England Under 21s when he is 22? Is it like the premier league 2 where you are allowed a certain number of overage players?
He was 21 at the start of the season, turnng 22 in December, so under the rule sif you are 21 at the start of the season you can continue to play for that age group
Quote from: westcliff white on June 06, 2017, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Robertprocter1 on June 06, 2017, 10:43:08 AM
Can I ask a potentially silly question?
How can Cauley be playing for England Under 21s when he is 22? Is it like the premier league 2 where you are allowed a certain number of overage players?
He was 21 at the start of the season, turnng 22 in December, so under the rule sif you are 21 at the start of the season you can continue to play for that age group
Excellent thanks guys, had been scratching my head over that one
Surely, Cauley deserves another chance at Fulham as back up to our main striker. It is going to cost us a lot of money and fat wages to find anyone better than him.
Quote from: filham on June 06, 2017, 07:11:57 PM
Surely, Cauley deserves another chance at Fulham as back up to our main striker. It is going to cost us a lot of money and fat wages to find anyone better than him.
Completely agree, would've been more effective rive than Martin. Can hold the ball up and bring players into play, but more mobile and can get into better positions. Just lacks consistency
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Quote from: filham on June 06, 2017, 07:11:57 PM
Surely, Cauley deserves another chance at Fulham as back up to our main striker. It is going to cost us a lot of money and fat wages to find anyone better than him.
I hate to labour my usual point but IMO he has not had a proper chance meaning an extended run in the team. When he has played his goals to minutes on the pitch ratio is the best in the club, save for cyriac and that is statistically not relevant. If he is given a proper chance and it doesn't work out that is one thing but most of the negative comments about him are quite ridiculous and based on a few cameo apperances here and there, and at least two times resulting in MoM performances.
Thing is Cauley is not as good in the air or at holding off defenders as Martin was. However a good series of performances for the England team (if he plays) may make Slav take another look.
If Cauley had performed on the pitch the way Martin has played since the new year, he would be slaughtered left right and centre.
One law for one.
Cauley has never been given the chances Martin has had. He deserves better treatment, at least England value him, but I hope Fulham start giving him a sustained opportunity and a decent run, not the occasional guest appearance.
Agree with Woolly and nose. Even Martin now says he was inconsistent and 'in and out' of the team (the usual humbug excuses for, at times, being pitiful). Cauley is a youngster with lots to learn from match play at the appropriate level and being a team member who knows how to link with those around him. He is not going to improve without having the chance to improve and he surely deserves that, at the very least. Eleven committed Fulham players is always going to be better than ten point five.
Quote from: snarks on June 07, 2017, 06:22:38 PM
Thing is Cauley is not as good in the air or at holding off defenders as Martin was. However a good series of performances for the England team (if he plays) may make Slav take another look.
Martin good in the air, when was that ?
England u21 off to Poland today:
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First match on Friday, 5pm v Sweden. Should be on Sky.
Possible meeting with old mate Maumer Tankovic who, perhaps surprisingly as he hasn't had a great season (I suppose you could say the same for Cauley), has made the Sweden squad.
85th min 0-0
Tankovic comes on for Sweden.
No sign of Woodrow.
Plenty of England pressure but Abrahams and Co. getting no change from massed Sweden defence. In fact best chances have been to Sweden. Hit bar, penalty saved by new Everton multi-million pound keeper (rather like Woodman's over the weekend although a softer shot.)
Honestly think there's more chance of Stevie Humphrys getting a chance over Cauley
Dont understand the view of cauley from the coaching staff in the club and believe hes had a raw deal.
What bothers me a little about the assessments of Cauley Woodrow appearing here is that we all know the mental elements of the game - confidence, belief and application - which elude most all of us in whatever we do in life at least some of the time. In fact most of us use the other people in our lives to compensate for our own lacks, and live for those moments when it clicks and we feel good. CW is at an age when he should be making progress into a first team somewhere and I guess it is up to him to start performing to the best of his ability if he wants to achieve to his true potential. I think he should be given a chance via a run of games, either as substitute or starter, to see if he can make the mental switch. To be perfectly honest he needs to be given the same latitude as was given to a certain Derby player, notwithstanding the difference in 'their histories'.
He was loaned to another Championship club and scored goals against the same teams we played. With, arguably less talented players around him. So he's good enough. Maybe he isn't the right kind of forward Slab wants.
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on June 17, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
He was loaned to another Championship club and scored goals against the same teams we played. With, arguably less talented players around him. So he's good enough. Maybe he isn't the right kind of forward Slab wants.
I believe this is the most logical assessment yet.
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on June 17, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
He was loaned to another Championship club and scored goals against the same teams we played. With, arguably less talented players around him. So he's good enough. Maybe he isn't the right kind of forward Slab wants.
And Martin was? What is he doing back at Derby then? Or, put another way, I hope someone has the contract in their hands and the cheque book ready for signing of the season.
LVC captains Denmark u21 tonight. 7.45 Sky.
Up against an Italian side that looks obscenely good on paper with an array of top Serie A young talent on view. The match, fortunately, will be played on grass.
Woodrow and Rodak on respective benches again.
Cauley actually makes an appearance on 88.40.
Odd game. Out thought and out muscled by Slovakia in the first half.
Made an odd h/t sub with Murphy who was inaffective last time being put in.
But something changed. Ward-Prowse started pulling a few strings, we got a scrappy effort and a brilliant job by Redmond. We then started to pull people back but didn't look too pushed to keep the lead.
Poland on Thursday. Good practice today as it was like playing in front of a home crowd.
Maybe it's me, but I don't get the adoration for Tammy Abraham. Runs a lot, falls over a lot. Stuart Pearce said after the game if you pass the ball to him it sticks......nah....
As I said, maybe it's me...
I agree.
He has had a highly productive season and has looked good on the few occasions I saw him play for Bristol.
But he has looked poor in the two games so far in Poland - disengaged and a bit clumsy. He has received some 'attention' from defenders but that is to be expected.
Two goals worth watching in the highlights of the Portugal v Spain u21 game last night, both with a 'Fulham' flavour. Portugal's goal had a Pajtim Kasami (v Crystal Palace flavour), and Spain's second goal had a touch of everything Fulham were last season. The whole game was wonderful entertainment. Wish we could nail some of that talent.
